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Islanders Bits: Matt Martin's Philosophy is Rather Direct

A St. Louis writer has for years referred to the NHL player agent as Ritch "Nuclear" Winter, and that agent's blowhard certainty transferred to the new age of Twitter underlines the reason for that moniker. His arrogant assertions are captured succinctly in this post at mc79hockey ("we have used analytics to successfully place Marian Hossa in the finals 3 years in a row and help Hasek win 2 cups" ... ORLLY?).

But I bring that post up for another reason: The 20-game sample. It's not that teams who have a bad record after the first 20 games cannot make the playoffs, it's that teams who have a bad record after the first 20 games are probably bad. (In the same vein, it's not that a team loses when giving up the first goal; it's that a team that gives up the first goal a lot is probably the weaker team in most matchups.)

We have discussed the Islanders first-quarter record plenty, and there's a fun FanPost discussion right now with their record now compared to The Streak last year, but that mc79 post is fun because it points out that any team, including many playoff teams, can have a sub- NHL-.500 20 game stretch during any point in the season.

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And more Matt Martin, speaking:

"I’m a physical presence. I like to stick up for my teammates and I’ll fight when I need to, but I play a pretty hard game. I drive the net and crash bodies and try to make room for my linemates."

And that, in a nutshell, is why Islanders fans have anticipated the 3rd/4th liner's arrival for three years.

Sticking with the official site, here's the write-up on the annual holiday toy-buying extravaganza. And below is the video, which is usually a fun one and does not disappoint this year:

...features the Swiss razzing each other, and MIchael Grabner mesmerized by some toy I hope never shows up in my house. Or as LHH user DP'sknees... shared in comments last night:

1. What the hell is going on with DP’s head? The beard was kind of badass but now he just looks like a street bum. All sit and no play makes ricky a dull boy, I guess.

2. JT seems to give equally canned answers no matter what the context. He uh always gives it uh 110% no matter the situation.

3. Bailey also plays to type overthinking the toy purchases. Just buy the toy!!!

All in good holiday spirit fun, of course.

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That's it for the moment. The next Top 25 Under 25 will be up a little later.

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Martin

He’s been a soldier all year. Full marks to him.
I have to say that I have been on the Haley bandwagon, and one of the reasons is to take some of the pressure off Martin. I don’t think of Martin as an enforcer, or fighter. He does it, but I think more of his game is checking, physical play along the boards, etc.
The other night he engaged in a fight after Nino’ check, and quite honestly, I wish he had not done so. I would rather have him on the ice. And there will be games in the future where someone on the Islanders will have to stand up and (dare I say it) fight. I’d rather that person would be someone like Haley, not Martin.
And the way the lineup is currently constituted, the only guy who could stand up on the Islanders is Martin.

by JackandAce on Dec 1, 2011 7:57 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Hammer will stand up

But he needs to stand up less and less the better he gets.

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 1, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

And the last guy we want in the box for 7 minutes is Hamonic.

by JackandAce on Dec 1, 2011 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

the first guy we want in the box for 7 minutes is Mike Mottau

We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Dec 1, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

5mins, maybe 15mins, maybe suspended. :-)

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Dec 2, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm starting to think

that if the Isles are going to insist on playing Rolston, Martin should be the other wing. Everything you hear about how he succeeded last year with Zubrus making space for him, makes me think it could work. Of course we’d still need someone to step in and be Elias…

Don't make me bring out the Silky.

by afrosupreme on Dec 1, 2011 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah but Ullstrom is doing that job just fine

Ullstrom has made Bailey more aggresive offensively which has given Rolston room. I think that line is working.

No Sleep 'til....Belmont?

by Anarcurt on Dec 1, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I can imagine a

Brock Nelson or Anders Lee on that line in the future if things hold, and would be completely happy with that. We have some big boys in our prospect pool. Even Nino in the future moving up. The average islander is getting bigger, eat more meat and potatoes, or was that vegetables. Could never figure it out.

by ghalbart on Dec 1, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I wished Martin hadn't fought there

And it didn’t seem like he wanted to, but reached that point of being challenged so relentlessly by Kassian that he practically had to.

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by Dominik on Dec 1, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah

I think that will be the routine for him going forward, unless someone else is in the lineup to help out in that regard. I think Martin looks down the bench and says, “guess its up to me.” I’d rather it was not up to him.

by JackandAce on Dec 1, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

haha

I love the interviews for the toy drive. Tavares cracks me up. Its like those videos you posted up earlier on the hockey interviews with the girlfriend. Whether its toys or hockeys the same things are said.

“just going to go out there and give it my all, see what happens, make sure to crash the shelves and get the toys in the basket, because good things happen when you get toys in the basket.”

Martin is a beast, I wish we have 3 more martins for the 3rd and 4th line.

by ghalbart on Dec 1, 2011 8:09 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Yes sir

You forgot to add
“…and the good Lord willing, it will all work out…”

by JackandAce on Dec 1, 2011 8:11 AM EST reply actions  

???

Ive never heard JT say anything like that.
I must be missing some joke here.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Dec 1, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Here you go, metalchick

Its all about sports cliches. From Bull Durham. Hilarious. Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeVca9MwDX8

by JackandAce on Dec 1, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

:) Ha, thank you. I knew I was missing something funny lol

Ive seen that movie, too.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Dec 1, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Need more time in the LHHAHL

You were rushed, and now everyone fears they’ve ruined your ability to reply.

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by Dominik on Dec 1, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Uh oh

Banished to the minors for remedial training!

by JackandAce on Dec 1, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

He's got nothing more to prove in the dollar store

It’s time he produced at a major retailer.

We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Dec 1, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Remember that supermarket checkout game show?

Grans would’ve filled his basket and checked it out in record time.

Nice hat.

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 1, 2011 8:38 AM EST reply actions  

Mr. Grabner

How did you do all that in minus 3 seconds?

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 1, 2011 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL

I remember my friend and I cutting class in HS and we would wind up watching that show.
I mean, that isnt why we cut class, we just- yeah. Um when I think about it, it didnt really take much lol.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Dec 1, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

JT"s canned answers?

You think that’s because he’s been getting interviewed since he was 12? He certainly wa coached well when it comes to that.

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 1, 2011 8:43 AM EST reply actions  

It's Montoya time!!

That Nystrom picked was creeping me out too. ’;=)

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 1, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I think this is absolutely it

and it’s hilarious when you see the other guys on the team razz him about it.

Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.

by Fabtraption on Dec 1, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It really is lol.

When its just JT and the media, its like he goes into default “This is the proper way a young Canadian star answers the question” mode. He cant help it. Neither can Toews, Stamkos, any of these other highly anticipated Canadians who were groomed since they were literally kids and must have had this drilled into their heads constantly. FWIW Bailey had that training too, you can tell.
But when some of the other guys are around, even when you dont hear them saying anything, you can see a difference with JT. When he is talking and there are other guys around, I can picture them making faces at him or whatever while he is on camera, trying to get him to smile. Maybe its just me lol.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Dec 1, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I definitely notice it too

and it’s why I like seeing when guys like Moulson or Grabner or Montoya are interviewed – they really let their personalities shine because they haven’t been groomed the same way that JT has.

Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.

by Fabtraption on Dec 1, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Same with Hammer. He is just a guy being himself.

Monty is great, especially after a win…You can see hes genuinely charged up…

by KO21 on Dec 1, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Grabner 1:19 and 1:40

freaking hilarious! “what is this thing?!” haahahhahahha

The Islanders' team surgeon is now the 4th wealthiest man in the United States

by CraigConway on Dec 1, 2011 9:49 AM EST reply actions  

And that's why...
“I’m a physical presence. I like to stick up for my teammates and I’ll fight when I need to, but I play a pretty hard game. I drive the net and crash bodies and try to make room for my linemates.”

I had his Jersey before he landed a full time job on the Islanders. Matt Martin is exactly what the doctor ordered for this team. I thought that he may have needed some time in the AHL this year to work on becoming a more consistent “middle” six player… but it looks like he could take on that role any time Capuano gives it to him.
His tilt the other night with Zach Kassian is one of the reasons we’re glad he’s here. It’s better that Gerbe bites Nino’s ankles than have Kassian rapid fire his ’stache awning.

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by JPinVA on Dec 1, 2011 10:05 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

Isn't Borders bankrupt?

No wonder he never had a chance. Fire Garth Snow! 1 ! ! 1 ! 1 1 ! !!!!!

Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Dec 2, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

It's rainin green up in here

Someone put whiskey in LHH’s coffee this morning :-)

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by CharlieIsles on Dec 1, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

No doubt

I love when I don’t get a chance to surf comments and there’s a sea of green before I even get to them.

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by Dominik on Dec 1, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

So sad I missed this

I want to play so bad! Well done everyone.

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by Keith Quinn on Dec 1, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

tremendous work, all

We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Dec 1, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I just made a comment up there....

… but the moment’s passed. Oh, well.

Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Dec 2, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

AMac out, Reese in, Mottau stays

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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Dec 1, 2011 10:19 AM EST reply actions  

Damn. I frickin knew it. :-/

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Dec 1, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Uh-oh

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 1, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

NOOOOOOOOO

Please no Mottau/Reese. Please no Mottau/Reese. Please no Mottau/Reese. Please no Mottau/Reese. Please no Mottau/Reese. Please no Mottau/Reese. Please no Mottau/Reese. Please no Mottau/Reese. Please no Mottau/Reese. Please no Mottau/Reese. Please no Mottau/Reese. Please no Mottau/Reese. Please no Mottau/Reese. Please no Mottau/Reese. Please no Mottau/Reese.

Don't make me bring out the Silky.

by afrosupreme on Dec 1, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Thats probably whats gonna happen

That may very well be the worst NHL third pairing in history

"Mario Lemiuex… I used to respect you."- Turgeon1992

by Zhora on Dec 1, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

not necessarily

This is a franchise that employed both Dick Tarnstrom and Thomas Pock.

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by mikb on Dec 1, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

They're saying "leg injury" for Amac

Does that mean hamstring?

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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Dec 1, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

He went down blocking that last second shot

I’m guessing he got bruised pretty bad there. Just hope nothing fractured.

No Sleep 'til....Belmont?

by Anarcurt on Dec 1, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

It didn’t look like it hit a spot where something could fracture, which is not to say it didn’t land where it could cause a whole lot of pain.

Don't make me bring out the Silky.

by afrosupreme on Dec 1, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

That assumes there is something inside his head to cause any pain.

Can one be an atheist toward a hockey team? That means I have NO faith anymore.

by Turgeon1992 on Dec 1, 2011 1:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I don't think so, 4Peat

If it had we’d have heard the echoing from here.

We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Dec 1, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Reese/Mottau

Because the Isles ENJOY killing 5-on-3 sooooo much.

We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Dec 1, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Still, maybe they should IR him

7 days. retroactive, right? A little extra rest couldn’t hurt the guy

Success was survival and, kid, it still is

by IslesFanInNJ on Dec 1, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

MOAR REESETAU!

Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.

by Fabtraption on Dec 1, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Right

Didn’t say it wouldn’t hurt the team…

Success was survival and, kid, it still is

by IslesFanInNJ on Dec 1, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Wishart

Probably a good sign for him because it suggests he’s viewed as part of the long term plan rather than a stop gap like Reese.

Alternatively, they just think he sucks.

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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Dec 1, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Probably the sucks thing...

Because this is one way to avoid having to waive him on the way down. If he is called up for an emergency there should be no waivers if the stint doesn’t include a roster spot exchange (AMAC would still hold the roster spot).
Somebody more CBA-fluent could confirm, but I think we discussed this before.

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by JPinVA on Dec 1, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

That's my understanding too

Makes ya wonder.

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by Dominik on Dec 1, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually...

I’ve watched a few games this year. The “sucks” thing doesn’t apply to him IMHO. But the “sick” thing might… or we can go back to the camp demotion and just stick to the “underlying conspiracy” meme.

With one seat available long term in the press box, and one easiliy created by sending Mottau to Bridgeport I really see the only reason for Wishart to be on the “pay him no mind” list is the same as the Blake Comeau expulsion and Kyle Okposo scratch n’ sniff… SOFT PLAY.

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by JPinVA on Dec 1, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

MM and Denis Potvin would be the worst

Mottau is that bad.

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 1, 2011 10:26 AM EST reply actions  

LOL

(Potvin, Bossy, Gilles, Trottier, Smith, Arbor ) + MM = 0 cups

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by CharlieIsles on Dec 1, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Charles, you forgot 23

;o)

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 1, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Is that because Potvin..

has a much more accutate shot than Rolston and he woudl have actually killed Mottau in practice by now?

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by JPinVA on Dec 1, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

harsh but funny

We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Dec 1, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Isles players really love blondes.

by Francesca on Dec 1, 2011 5:43 PM EST reply actions  

Forbes list...

I didn’t look through all the comments to see if anyone has mentioned anything about this. The list is a little inaccurate. If you take into account the Islanders cable deal, these numbers are probably WAYYYYY off. The Islanders and Wang are actually making money as a result of the Cable deal. I believe Wang/Islanders get $17M per season for Islanders rights, and this contract goes past the year 2030 (which is why the Isles WILL NOT move out of the tri-state area for at least another 20 years.

This deal probably puts the Isles at +9mil/year also moving them somewhere into the 6-12th range of the league (when you add every teams cable deals.)

by sad516 on Dec 2, 2011 12:52 AM EST reply actions  


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