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Islanders Bits: Kabanov Glows, NHL Power Rankings Don't

At least they're not Columbus. That's about the best that can be said after another rough week where the Islanders snapped a six-game winless streak but followed it up last night with a picked-apart road loss to the Bruins.

Ironically, while the media power rankings focus on the streak and offensive drought, our calculated power rankings actually flatter the Islanders, giving them a boost for beating the Capitals in regulation and going to OT with the Sharks and Penguins. (TSN, the only media ranking that uses a formula rather than gut, also has the Isles in the middle third.)

With the dust settled, the Islanders are last in the East but just two points and a game in hand behind the Bruins team that manhandled them last night. It doesn't feel like it in the aftermath of a fifth regulation loss in eight games, but it is still early and corrections can be made. The nearly absent young players like Kyle Okposo should reappear. Maybe a little patience, in light of microanalyzing every play, would do a fan good. At least for mental health's sake anyway.

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Media Power Rankings

Not much to gripe about here. It's all the straight dope:

Outlet Rank Last Week Their Commentary
CBSSports 28 26
Ever since he allowed four goals in a 4-1 loss to Tampa Bay back on October 20, Al Montoya has not appeared in another game for the Islanders; Evgeni Nabokov and Rick DiPietro have seen the action in the crease. Unless there's something going on that we don't know about it (like an undisclosed injury), that seems kind of odd given how well Montaya has played over the past two seasons.
THN
(Proteau)
23 23
John Tavares has four power play goals; rest of Isles have combined for three.
ESPN
(LeBrun)
29 28 Surprise win over the powerhouse Caps snaps a six-game winless streak.
CBC - 28 [awaiting update]
TSN
(Cullen)
21 17 Snapped a six-game losing streak with Saturday's win over Washington, but still waiting on the likes of Kyle Okposo, Josh Bailey and Blake Comeau to find the net for the first time this season.
Fox 29 28 Saturday’s 5-3 win over Washington marked just the third time this season the Isles have scored more than two goals in a game.
Average
26
16 Everything is wrong.

 

Real Power Rankings (through Sunday)

W L OTL Pts Win Pct PWR
1 Edmonton 8 3 2 18 0.692 2273
2 Washington 9 3 0 18 0.750 2210
3 Pittsburgh 9 3 3 21 0.700 2202
4 Dallas 10 3 0 20 0.769 2013
5 Phoenix 7 4 2 16 0.615 1985
6 San Jose 7 4 1 15 0.625 1939
7 Los Angeles 6 4 3 15 0.577 1917
8 Chicago 8 3 3 19 0.679 1905
9 Minnesota 7 3 3 17 0.654 1853
10 NY Rangers 7 3 3 17 0.654 1842
11 Toronto 9 4 1 19 0.679 1773
12 Philadelphia 8 4 2 18 0.643 1742
13 Nashville 7 4 2 16 0.615 1736
14 Tampa Bay 7 5 2 16 0.571 1732
15 Florida 6 4 3 15 0.577 1721
16 New Jersey 6 5 1 13 0.542 1706
17 Buffalo 8 5 0 16 0.615 1700
18 NY Islanders 4 5 2 10 0.455 1597
19 Vancouver 7 7 1 15 0.500 1590
20 Anaheim 5 6 3 13 0.464 1535
21 Colorado 7 6 1 15 0.536 1491
22 Calgary 6 6 1 13 0.500 1444
23 Detroit 6 5 1 13 0.542 1434
24 Carolina 5 6 3 13 0.464 1398
25 St. Louis 6 7 0 12 0.462 1372
26 Ottawa 7 7 1 15 0.500 1361
27 Winnipeg 5 7 2 12 0.429 1342
28 Boston 5 7 0 10 0.417 1340
29 Montreal 5 6 2 12 0.462 1270
30 Columbus 2 11 1 5 0.179 494

Our weekly "real" power rankings are courtesy of our own ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles (who is the one you'll find tirelessly compiling FIG picks in the game thread), conceived and delivers these week after week. They reflect games through Sunday.

Explanation of how he does it is in the original post. If you have any questions about it, leave them in comments and he'll likely answer. For reference, last week's post is here.

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is pretty close with the calculations to ours

by Alex Kinkead on Nov 8, 2011 1:12 PM EST reply actions  

Yes

Probably a result of early season volatility. (For example, Boston’s poor start had them well below the Isles before last night’s game.)

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Nov 8, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

TSN's calculations are rather extensive.

From what I understand, they focus on individual players, tendencies, and what the coach ate for breakfast, and pulls it all together into the team’s overall score. Crazy stuff.

But in mine, the much simpler explanation is found in defeating a team who’s in second place overall in the rankings, at a point in the season where such a victory accounts for a large percentage of the overall data (11 games at the time, so 9% of their overall score).

Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Nov 8, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Surprised at how high we actually are.

It makes me feel just a little bit better.

by Hockey1919 on Nov 8, 2011 1:27 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I'm at a point where I'm thinking things are gonna be alright

The goaltending is going to be solid, the defense can’t get much worse and there is no way Bailey, Comeau and Okposo score 0 goals this season. There is going to come a point where all three score goals in the same game and the Mayan calendar will be proven wrong.

by Hockey1919 on Nov 8, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

During the horrible streak last year the scoring was at least as bad

At least this year we have better goaltending and defense to get through it. It definitely does not feel as hopeless as last years November.

No Sleep 'til....Belmont?

by Anarcurt on Nov 8, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

The defending stanley cup champions just kicked our asses in, thats what.
At least it wasnt them AND the Caps.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Nov 8, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Its getting worrisome.

I actually allowed my hopes to go up… We cant expect to compete when we are scraping the barrel just to make the minimum salary allowed. The winners are finding ways to stay below the max. Its all my own fault for expecting more out of less…

by KO21 on Nov 8, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't forget about quality of opponents

The two losses to Florida were the only really bad games. Winnepeg we just couldn’t bury anything…we outchanced them by a mile. With 7 out of 12 games so far being against some of last year’s top teams (TB x2, Wash, SJS, Pitt x2, Bos) and playing the least amount of games so far it’s no surprise to find ourselves where we are. The rest of the month isn’t much better. I’m prepared to see them battle back from behind, they just cannot bury themselves.

No Sleep 'til....Belmont?

by Anarcurt on Nov 8, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

The nice thing about LHH rating is that quality of opponents is factored in

TB was a playoff push, more of a bubble team than a top team. The annoying part has been the better efforts have been against the superior teams, no reason they should be taking anyone lightly.

Winnipeg wasn’t a great performance and neither was the Wild so they are 50/50 in toss-up games. The Wild win is actually really helping to boost the rankings in restrospect as well. So that is why I was more pleased with the 18 ranking through Sunday.

by Hockey1919 on Nov 8, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Your posts have simply been a delight these past 24 hours

The depth of your malcontent knows no bounds.

Success was survival and, kid, it still is

by IslesFanInNJ on Nov 8, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

MEGA

then again who isn’t overrated on this wretched group of underachievers?

aside from the keepers that is

by Cary K on Nov 8, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

This is where I went wrong....

I drank the Kool Aide as if it was Dom Perignon…

by KO21 on Nov 8, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

AP77 speaking of himself in the 3rd person

This is a trend I would like to see discontinued.

Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.

by Fabtraption on Nov 8, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

The Rickey Henderson of LHH

AP77 is just being AP77.

Success was survival and, kid, it still is

by IslesFanInNJ on Nov 8, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey Ricky!

Ricky, pick up the phone Ricky! It’s me…you!

Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.

by Fabtraption on Nov 8, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

It was meant as a one off thing, but if I can get a sufficiently strong reaction either way….

=d

by AP77 on Nov 8, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what frightens me.

Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.

by Fabtraption on Nov 8, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

KO
The depth of your malcontent knows no bounds

why should anyone be content with losing? ko was supposed to be a big part of the turnaround. starting to call him a bust or megabust is hardly being a malcontent. i would say it’s pretty substantiated.

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by khrudey30 on Nov 8, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Come on now

We weren’t talking about being content with losing – the comment was about KO. I’m not deigning to suggest that people shouldn’t weigh the merits of KO being a bust or – um – a megabust.

Success was survival and, kid, it still is

by IslesFanInNJ on Nov 8, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

why no inbetween?

Maybe Okposo isn’t a bust… maybe he’s a young player in a funk. I get that fans tend to run hot or cold on everything, but rationally speaking, you can’t just flip a switch from “great young player” to “bust, worthless”.

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by mikb on Nov 8, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Fortunately for me, I’ve never gone on record calling KO a “great young player.” :)

You want something in between bust and mega bust? I can see that — medium bust?

=d

by AP77 on Nov 8, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

A solid C, yes.

=d

by AP77 on Nov 8, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

C+ for me

PS – you’ll shoot your eye out, kid.

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by mikb on Nov 8, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed. Perhaps he's a good young player that is in a funk.

However, I get in today’s world everyone wants a polarizing story, this person is 100% right, this one 100% wrong, make no compromises, this player is a bust or megabust, this player is great…etc etc. It gets more reaction that way. Pretty annoying really. It’s the way it is though.

by NewIsles on Nov 8, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess it's a definition of degrees
call him a bust or megabust is hardly being a malcontent. i would say it’s pretty substantiated.

I wouldn’t. I mean, what because of 12 mostly (but not all) weak games he is in bust or megabust category?

Maybe if someone expected him to be a 35-40-goal scorer I could see it, but he’s been a pretty strong all-around player through his entire young career, before injury and post-injury last year. The physical appetite people have for him will probably never come around, but he was a fine all-around player last year.

“Megabust” talk is just AP77 crazy uncle hyperbole, par for the course.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Nov 8, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Sucking hard core

Bust if this continues to next year.

by Empire39 on Nov 8, 2011 2:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

He seemed to be lost out there...

Garik pointed it out how KO would be making plays but nobody to pass the puck too…He needs some offensive players to work with….Where is Comeau???

by KO21 on Nov 8, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't they all

so annoying…I thought we were getting past the point of having a team full of complimentary players…turns out we have a group of guys right this second that are just slight upgrades of the old complimentary players. (I think back to the days of Claude Lapointe and having 4 3rd lines)

NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
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by Keith Quinn on Nov 8, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

This cant be happening...

Could KO actually have lost it?What is his problem?He scored 19 goals when he practically a rookie

by KO21 on Nov 8, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Hunter scored 26 as a rookie

shit happens when you’re on the 1st line of a bad team. That’s not to say that many of these guys can’t be great in that role especially if the big pieces (Strome/Kabanov/Petrov/Nino/JT/Grabner) are the real deal.

Goal scoring breeds goal scoring…because who are you going to cover? The best if the other team’s best defensive forwards are covering line 1 & 2, that opens the lower lines up to score…which I believe this crop will be more adept at than previous guys like Sim/Park/Jackman and crew. The problem is waiting for the young guns to get here and not panicking before that point.

I wouldn’t give up on either KO or Bailey at this point because I think under the right conditions they can be tremendously useful…Comeau not so much (just my opinion) and I assume that PAP and MM at some point become a bit more expendable when the draft pick talent starts to get here (just because of age).

Dom has mentioned in the past that he thinks that the Isles drafted specifically for these types of players early on because they knew of the lean years to come and couldn’t afford to miss with a complete bust. I am beginning to agree with that point of view more and more. These guys are responsible and do have character…we haven’t heard a peep out of them and I believe they are trying. The team may not have gotten that and a level of commitment from other picks.

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by Keith Quinn on Nov 8, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

But we all saw what KO can do when his legs are churning...

He might not be a finisher like we hoped but he should be productive…He should be a puck possession guy…Thats what we need right now according to Gariks analyses…

by KO21 on Nov 8, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

and I just saw that came up as a post, so I’m gonna go read it. If you skate and drive play, you’re winning the battle so your other lines can take care of the goal scoring. I believe KO can be great in that aspect and chip in well offensively…but this year, there is a huge regression in that skill for him thus far.

NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
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by Keith Quinn on Nov 8, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

sadly

he’s one of about 10 players that have visibly regressed – Amac another clear case

by Cary K on Nov 8, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Dom, u clever clever man

see, we’re all worried about teh core and you go showing us a feel good story and then the ranking, which we all band together to hate on… bravo sir… bravo!

These comments crawl up from the depths of the deepest Chasm of Saar

by bob l on Nov 8, 2011 2:00 PM EST reply actions  

everyone coming round to my way of thinking yet?

we need some wholesale changes start with

1 – the coach – he sucks, apparently – what’s our game plan? anything?
2 – I need to take in a BPT game one of these days – call up at least 3-5 of these guys – get rid of 3-5 of our dead weight – don’t know how many times to say the same things
3 – cut Dipietro
4 – our D is way too slow – some of the BPT guys can help

make a plan to move to Brooklyn so we can see the future

stop settling for mediocrity

Bailey for Komisarek – what’s that it’s too late?

where are all those folks who were disagreeing with me – about what exactly?

by Cary K on Nov 8, 2011 2:18 PM EST reply actions  

:) Your post makes so much sense to me.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Nov 8, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for showing the brighter side

I think we’re all concerned because of the lack of production from key players tho…Its hard to ignore how KO has been a shell of himself…Hes what typifies the issues, imho…

by KO21 on Nov 8, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

well if this is the plan

then the plan sucks

just acquiring young talent isn’t enough

there needs to be a system in place for how to play – see Garik’s next main posting here at LHH

no system, and you have chaos

which is where we are

PS Bailey sucks – free AP77

by Cary K on Nov 8, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Nailed it

Everything I was going to say, you said. Sadly, this isn’t high school basketball where guys can be “cut.” Releasing struggling players means (probably financial) ramifications for the team. Like others have said, Staios, Mottau, Rolston, et al are stopgaps. They won’t be around for long. Leave the kids in Bridgeport and bring ‘em up when they’re ready. Not because the Islanders are two games under .500 a week into November after losing to the defending champs. However much is sucks at that moment.

Also, it could have easily been Komisarek and not Staios getting beat and creating basically a 2-on-0 for that fourth goal last night.

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by PGI on Nov 8, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

The NYIFYI on the defense article is a little bit Jeckyl and Hyde

Nabokov was cold because he didn’t continue playing, even though he couldn’t continue playing because he was injured, but Montoya played great after a much longer break. So what it comes down to is that Nabokov had really no excuse to be off, it happens and won’t make or break his career. However, the defense, which hasn’t had a break was just awful.

PS
I didn’t ghost write the article so I found at least one other person that thought Montoya left a bad rebound even though he almost single handedly kept them in the second period.

by Hockey1919 on Nov 8, 2011 2:19 PM EST reply actions  

oh yeah

and stop signing overrated players like Okposo

or put them on IR if there’s something wrong with them (Amac included)

the whole team can’t be playing hurt, or can they

by Cary K on Nov 8, 2011 2:19 PM EST reply actions  

oh yeah, and

a quick message for Dom – are you actually watching these games?

this team is playing very badly – patience is not called for

by Cary K on Nov 8, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

oh yeah again

and our real Power Ranking is

more like 29

18? um, no

by Cary K on Nov 8, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

now you just sound obnoxious....

"Mario Lemiuex… I used to respect you."- Turgeon1992

by Zhora on Nov 8, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, I've been ranting a bit

its the way this team plays that bothers me

there seems to be no coherence or raging desire

team COZO or maybe more like SLOZO

by Cary K on Nov 8, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont know anyone who is happy with whats been going on

So just telling your fellow fans how things are not going well is kinda like- well… OK… now what?

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Nov 9, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Cary, please try:

1) Complete sentences
2) A consolidated comment
3) A rational statement

At least one of the three will do.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Nov 8, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Confused

1) How do complete sentences make our coach not suck? Does Capuano communicate his game plan in fragmented sentences?
2) What is there to consolidate with the 5 waived players and the 5 call-ups? Are you advocating that this be all done at once?
3) I thought cut DP was considered a rationale statement
4) Where is your response to….? Never mind I just relaized this wasn’t a direct response to CKs wish list.

by Hockey1919 on Nov 8, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

you mean it isn't time to panic?

all’s well? I picture that kid in a uniform towards the end of Animal House…

who needs complete sentences? this is the internet and the age of twitter – run on sentences are for James Joyceans

by Cary K on Nov 8, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Fortunately the Internet has a specialized corner for every style

This place is not the corner for streaming non sequiturs that fill up the page.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Nov 9, 2011 3:54 AM EST up reply actions  

You win the Internet today, FGS

\m/ ^ v ^ \m/

Rock on.

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by mikb on Nov 8, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I am

the 8th person to rec this

by Cary K on Nov 8, 2011 6:14 PM EST reply actions  

i'll be number 9...

beautiful creativity sir. well done.

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- Steve Zissou

by gukid17 on Nov 8, 2011 9:58 PM EST reply actions  

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