Plus/Minus Post-Game: Islanders 5 (EN) vs. Capitals 3
This game was either lovely, awful, or some typical mix of the two. (This is a pre-scheduled post, to elicit your post-game analysis away from the drinking and joking and ranting of the in-game thread.)
Actual facts: With crazy new lines, Frans Nielsen, Brian Rolston, P.A. Parenteau and Matt Martin scored goals, with John Tavares adding the empty-netter to ice it. Fire Capuano or something, amiright?
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Discuss why it was good, bad or indifferent with your pluses, your minuses, and your in-betweens. Analysis or humor preferred. (Not settled down yet? The game thread is where you can resume getting your id on.)
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Plus
That guy who dropped the puck before the game.
Stainer of mountaintops.
by Chairman Meow on Nov 5, 2011 10:01 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Ah yes...
… That was rather cool.
Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Nov 5, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
My 2 cents
+ New Line Combos – they seemed to work, especially the 2nd line
+ 2nd line- Frans starting the scoring, P.A.P Getting the tying and gw goals
+ Matt Martin – The Guy does everything, nuff said
- Not seeing Montoya – DP looked good, i just wished i could see Montoya
+ Cap’s announcers-I ahd that stream, they had nothing but positive things to say about the Isles
screw homework, its all about islanders hockey
by DarthDoyle on Nov 5, 2011 10:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+/-
+ we won
+ we scored 4 non-empty net goals
+ team effort
+ I didnt think anyone played awful tonight (although I do remember cursing Okposo and Staois more than once)
- we need to get off to better starts of games (sorry there had to be one – or it wouldnt be a +/-)
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Finally a win
They looked shaky with a lack of chemistry in the beginning(does not make for a good martini), but they came out to play in the second period. Last season, I was dying for Gordon/Cappy to put Grabner on the first line, at least until the FNGo line started creating such magic. But, it seemed to work tonight.
+Grabner on the first line works
+Eaton has done really well blocking shots
-Staos is starting to get on my nerves now
All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.
Anything specific re: Staios?
(I haven’t watched the full game yet.)
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He just can't keep up
He seems out of the play at times. Plus, he took a very bad penalty that led to a goal. Yet, overall he just hasn’t been great on the first pair. I really don’t think he will last the whole season.
All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.
I thought he looked pretty good tonight and that penalty was very questionable
Seemed like a typical “This is the NHL you don’t actually try to play defense on our stars” call because he played the body on Ovechkin.
"I didn't know if I was going to be handed a kielbasa or punched in the face." Florida Coach Kevin Dineen on the raucous atmosphere at Nassau Coliseum before opening-night.
by ArsenalLI on Nov 5, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The penalty was definitely questionable
But he seems slow in every way. Don’t get me wrong, guys like the Juice and Eaton are not exactly fleet of foot, but Staios moves like he is in a scene in an NFL film. Even the decision process is slow it seems, and his breakouts and his clear attempts can be brutal b/c of that (and as I type this Chris Mc makes an even better point below).
Success was survival and, kid, it still is
by IslesFanInNJ on Nov 5, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
"like he is in a scene in an NFL film"
Haha, nice.
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I'm not big on him so I'd agree with you normally
Just with tonight’s performance I thought he did a solid job. He played Ovechkin pretty good on a few occasions as the Caps clearly tried to get the puck to him on Staois’ side.
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by ArsenalLI on Nov 5, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahaha
I’m sorry. Maybe we can co-write the next comment together so we cover everything
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by Chris McNally on Nov 5, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought that call was a no brainer. The puck was well behind him and he continue to directly (engage) obstruct Ovechkin for a couple of seconds after. The kind of play that if it happened to JT or Grabs I’d go nuts if they didn’t get the call.
Tavares is Tavares.
I thought that at first
But upon further review it looked like Ovi basically gave up the puck to make the physical engagement a “look, I concede, you can’t touch me” scenario. In other words, I don’t know if they view it differently (I guess the call would say they don’t), but it wasn’t like he chipped the puck by him on the boards and was interfered with. He lost a battle with the puck in his feet (and I’m not sure why the onus is now on the defender to realize, “look! the puck is well behind you rather than in both of your pairs of feet!”) just because the forward has goofed up possession.
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That could be
I only watched the one replay (which wasn’t a great angle), and OV is pretty good at driving into defensemen and drawing that call.
Tavares is Tavares.
I thought is was one of those:
Staios: I’m here and I’m not moving vs Ovy: I’m trying to come through you and you are moving one way or another, but Ovy wasn’t strong enough to move Staios there or something. It wasn’t like Staios held him or anything, he just impeded his way by being in the lane already. And all that aside, OVY HAD THE PUCK! You can’t interfere with a player who had the puck on his blade and either lost it or chipped it to himself.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
by OzzyFan on Nov 6, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, you can interfere on that play
But not if you already have your position. You have as much right to your ice as the forward. You have no obligation to step aside for the forward if he chips by you, he has to avoid you. But you can’t step into his path once he chooses a side to skate around. That would create the intereference.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Thanks for the explanation. It was a sketchy questionable call either way though right?
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
didn't see it, the DVR crapped out on me
Usually, you have to be really obvious on that play to get rung up for interference. Ovi may just be much better at selling it by bulling into the defender.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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They do seem to call it if you have position, but change momentum towards the opposing forward.
So if you are skating backwards and stop short as the forward attempts to get by you it looks like the refs often call interference. Not saying it is right, but it looks liek that is what they call. I think what may have gotten Staois the call was putting his hands up to play the opposing forward.
The penalty was poorly officiated.
It isn’t interference to take the body on the guy driving the puck.
Hunter said he was just finishing his check.
by Turgeon1992 on Nov 5, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
i cant speak for anyone else
but besides the stupid penalty (and he did play Ovi too long after he got rid of the puck and as a veteran should know better), he doesnt attempt to make plays with the puck in the defensive zone. At least three times that I remember he had a chance to pick up a loose puck and slide it up to a forward so they could break out of the defensive zone, and instead he smacks the puck into the corner and Washington ends up regaining the puck ad defensive zone pressure.
I think hes wired to automatically see puck/smack away, instead of looking up and making a decision with it. Its frustrating, almost as frustrating as Kyle Okposo trying to slide the puck between his own legs and splitting d-men instead of passing to an open teammate.
But we won, so I’ll hush. I’m happy.
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by Chris McNally on Nov 5, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Ref had his arm up before that last shove Staios gave
The first hit was a bit long, but calling that interference is brutal considering what they let go late in the game
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 5, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well that was just delightful
Cappy sprinkled some pixie dust with the second line, yes?
+ PAP (obvious, but please, please PAP haters – can we agree to agree that he earns his keep, and then some)
+ Martin and Nielsen (also obvious)
+ The second line in general
+ Did they score 4 (?!) even strength goals?
- First period effort – yikes – had to be talked off the ledge
- DP – i guess he played OK, but some of the goals seemed soft and for chrissakes: STAY. IN. THE. F^&*ING. CREASE.
- Staios – He looks slow as molasses – in both movement and execution
- Major penalty called on PAP; no call when Moulson got boarded
The whole Grabner-on-the-first-line thing doesn’t work for me – largely b/c Moulson seems to be so lifeless (or at least flat-out manhandled) out there.
Success was survival and, kid, it still is
¡¡¡OUTRAGE!!!
I missed the whole game and had to follow if on my phone. But goals and wins are still nice.
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by PGI on Nov 5, 2011 10:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
HUMOR
That PAP-FN-Rolston had three goals … and Rolston’s was actually on a slapshot. That’s almost more funny than plus. (But it’s plus too.)
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Now Recruiting
We need LHH’s best and brightest to come up with tentative yet witty names for all these new forward lines
I don't know about a line name for them
but I do have a joke about th second line. Stop me if youve heard it before:
A Dane, a French Canadian, and a Senior Citizen walk into a bar…
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by Chris McNally on Nov 5, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Can't we wait
till they take Rolston off it?
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there was drinking and joking in the in-game thread, but could you describe the ranting?
What a [lively, fun / terrible, boring] game! A lot of great plays by hockey players.
(this entire comment was pre-scheduled)
Well, you know the usual...
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by Dominik on Nov 5, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
our usual type first think second mantra
then yes, yes there was
But seriously
It’s a personal preference and archival/records convenience thing, but one of the points of doing separate plus/minus threads is to get people to focus on analyzing the game here, while still continuing their tirade-laden emissions in the game thread.
Traffic here is heavy enough now that It gets old and taxing sifting through the same “OMG [my scapewagon member] sucks!” back-and-forths in every thread, when what I’m personally looking for is multiple takes on what various players did or how specific plays went down.
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by Dominik on Nov 6, 2011 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice game
+ local bar put on msg +
+ I’m on my 8th Sam Adams pumpkin ale
( it’s not bad)
+ we win
+ I asked a rags fan why they win once every eighty years lol
- almost threw my 3rd beer at the tv when OV scored and everyone cheered
- people calling for Caps head
- my wife and my cousin Erica just showed up
by Torch7 on Nov 5, 2011 10:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 4 recs
rec'd for your last minus
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by Chris McNally on Nov 5, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Sam Adams Pumpkin sucks, so kudos for you tolerating that shit.
Hunter said he was just finishing his check.
Wait...
my cousin Erica
What’s she look like?
There is a problem with outliving your enemies, it usually means that you have outlived your friends as well...
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by burpchelischili on Nov 6, 2011 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well they won
Caps must have been bitten by the flu bug or ate some bad seafood at the hotel across the street, huh? Seriously, now there won’t be a 13 game losing streak or whatever it was last year. I still have high hopes for this year, but, man, that DiPietro makes me nervous.
This entire comment seems nonsensical.
Sarcasm, irony, anger, resentment?
Hunter said he was just finishing his check.
by Turgeon1992 on Nov 5, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Try sarcasm and irony
Because, you know, around the league there are those who believe the Isles aren’t supposed to win, that their second half last year was because other teams weren’t taking them seriously etc etc. But man, that goalie does make me nervous.
good thing about the 3 headed monster
his rotation may keep him on the bench for 2 weeks so you won’t have to see him for awhile
by Madchef on Nov 5, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If pattern holds
He may have one more start in this run … and after all, he was a “winner” tonight, according to the parlance of our times.
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As a die hard Islanders fan, i would have cheered too. Ovechkin is the first real old-time hockey player the nhl has had in some time. Hes great. He does it all.
Moulson looks rough. He needs Nino’s big body. AS that guy said in the waterboy
“You can do it”
oh yeah and one more thing. Frans Nielsen…lock him up. Garth for god sakes, Lock him up!!!
Ovechkin......does not play defense well. He doesn't do everything, but he is a tremendous offensive talent, the best goalscorer in the nhl easy.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Besides the obvious
+ Okposo: He had some moments of the KO we were hoping for. He still needs to start burying pucks but he had a couple good charges at net.
+ DP: He hasn’t been an all-star but he has also left me without a reason to throw a beer bottle at the wall so I give him credit for that. Also nice assist.
+ The whole team really: The composure to come back from 2 down against probably the best team in the league is a good sign of the team maturing.
- PA major penalty was a bad call (but the refs did seem to go out of their way to mitigate it so it’s a light minus)
- Still not getting enough offense from our D-Men (except Streit)
- Nassau Coliseum leaks & ice
No Sleep 'til....Belmont?
En route back home...
…. But I’ll drop a few plusses here while i pass the time:
Plusses:
+ the whole Veterans Night is always awesome. Had five rows of Naval officers directly in front of me. Despite being from all over the country, they took to the Isles as soon as the Isles remembered how to play hockey. Except for the few Capital infidels, that is. ;-)
+ Miss USO. Wow.
+ the high school band that played all of the armed services’ songs during one of the intermission breaks.
+ My sister for using her puny car to effectively muscle SUVs out of her way. Hell hath no fury as a woman with a disdain for traffic.
+ An LIRR train full of Islander fans heading back to the city. You heard me right!
FIGs will be tallied when i get back to Brooklyn. Cheers!
Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Nov 5, 2011 10:38 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Oh, and one minus...
… To the rather inconsistent policy the Coliseum has towards cameras. I brought my little Sony NEX to the game, as i have for the past season-plus, and all of a sudden, they wouldn’t let me bring it in. And yet i have seen non-credentialed people walking around with Canon and Nikon SLRs.
Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Nov 5, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Its not that you had a camera, it was that it wasn't good enough
They want only high end snapshots of our rising stars
by Isles2011 on Nov 5, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Believe me....
… i’d bring my own SLR if I knew i could get it in. Maybe i should just try different enterances next time.
Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Nov 5, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously though, this must be new-ish/inconsistent, like you said. Because someone I’ve went to many games with would take pictures with an SLR and they didnt care, but she’d keep it in her purse on the way in. Maybe it depends on which fat guy in yellow shirt security guard you go through.
Or maybe...
…. I just have to carry a purse.
Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Nov 6, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
If possible
Have a chick with a large pocketbook carry it in. They barely glance in our bags.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 6, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
Guess i know where to hide my flask now, too. :-D
Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Nov 6, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
What TMC said
I had Mrs. Lighthouse smuggle mine in her purse last year.
I mean, I was credentialed or something. That’s the ticket.
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I always bring my SLR
Only once did the guy ask if I had a “smaller” lens and I gave him a look like he was chatting me up at a bar with a rainbow flag and he decided to not pat me down any further.
Goalie situation: The hunt for #1
So far in 4 games Montoya has the lead with a .930 S%
Nabokov is right behind with a .927.
DiPietro has 3 gp with a .904
Basically, DiPietro would have to post a shutout on Monday (would give him a .928) to be in the conversation, though there are other things to factor here.
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How would you know his exact save percentage if you don't know how many shots he'll face?
by Metzfan22 on Nov 5, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You could calculate it once the game is over.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
by OzzyFan on Nov 5, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The .928 is best case scenario (shutout)
Average a shutout into his other 4 starts. Only other way he gets close to the others is if he absolutely stands on his head on monday…like stops 39/40 which would give him a 4 game average of .922
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typo
average a shutout into his other THREE starts
"I can't really hear what Jeremy (Roenick) says, because I've got my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears." - Patrick Roy
but how many saves?
You picked .928 pretty quickly. But if Rick stopped only 15 shots for a shutout, his save% would only be .918 (90 sv in 98 sh).
Apologies to all: we have to do math. Given the current shots and saves, and the sv% that you’re aiming for, you can find the number of saves (x) required to get there: [(sv% * shots) – saves] / 1 – sv% = x.
[(.928 * 83) – 75] / .072 =
(77.024 – 75) / .072 =
2.024 / .072 = 28.111
RDP needs to stop the next 28 shots to reach a .928 sv% for the year.
(BTW, the math for a non-shutout is more complicated-looking, but still relatively straightforward once you have the formula.)
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by mikb on Nov 6, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Apologies, you are correct
What I did (and have assumed was the correct formula for some time) was average each games S% together for a cumalative number. In Dipietro’s case: .920 + .900 + .893 / 3 = .904. Then I averaged in a shutout to get the .928. Using shot total makes more sense…again I apologize
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Yeah that's the hard part
You can’t do that because each game wil have a different amount of shots and thus be weighted differently. For example a 40 save shutout is more impressive than a 20 save shutout despite the fact that each will show up as a 1.000 sv%.
That is why you also can’t really average out “annual save percentage” into “lifetime save percentage”. A season of .915 with 2000 shots against vs a 1000 sv season with .930% will only raise the lifetime number a little. I think “Behind the Net” examined “missing numbers” because of this anomaly somewhere. You could say the same for shooting percentage.
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As an example (and not directing this directly at you, but others too as I think it's a common thing that people do)
If you added up DP’s yearly save percentage totals to find the average and divided by number of seasons (or any goalie, but he is the example), you would get .899, but because he saw far more shots in his non-injured/good years, the actual total is ..903.
Over the course of the 8,700+ shots he’s faced, that would be a relatively minor amount of goals (34 or 35 over 10 years), but it is not accurate and that under .900 looks uglier than it should.
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I think my mistake came from trying to include a shutout
I understand why you are correct, and why using season shot totals is a better method, but would the averaging method not work as well? Isnt the S% representative of the shots? I understand it will be off if you try and average in a shutout, but excluding them would you end up with the same number (may be some rounding)?
"I can't really hear what Jeremy (Roenick) says, because I've got my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears." - Patrick Roy
Isnt the S% representative of the shots?
On a single game basis yes. But there is no mechanism for equating the total shots faced across an average of just the percentages.
Try it, here is the page.http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/2414/gamelog;ylt=Am5nDZpUrGxdGpNOP4kBlBivLYF?year=2010
Take a five gam sample and for one trial, add up the save percentage totals and divide by 5. For the other trial, add up the shots against, the saves, and then divide the SAVES by the SHOTS AGAINST. You should get two different numbers.
So for what you are asking here, it really doesn’t have as much to do with shutout vs non-shutout as much as it has to do with a 40 save shutout being bigger than a 20 save shutout as far as raising overall sv% They will always affect the total sv% and should be included, but what you would need to do is base it off of the shots he’s faced by game
Shots: 30+35+ 28 = 83
Saves: 27+23+25= 75
75/83=.9036 (call it .904)
Now, I don’t know how to do the math, so I do trial and error
adding 30 and 30 to shots and saves (for a shutout) would put him at: .929
a 40/40 shutout puts him at: .935
a 20/20 shutout at: .922
a 10/10 at: .914
All weighted differently.
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Nice, clear explanation :)
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 6, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Great game from just about everybody.
Some shaky to sub-parish play from Okposo/Staios/Macdonald though, DP too went out of his net a few too many times, hopefully that’s just anxious energy. Other then that, he was decent in net, squabbled a puck here, and I think he guessed wrong on the Ovechkin goal because he was sliding the wrong way. And DP got the game clinching assist!
I’m sort of worried about A-mac given we’re getting deep in now, and if his hip isn’t 100% a month into the season, I wonder if it will ever be or is lingering. I’d think the rust would have been shaken off by now, huh. Okposo, I don’t know. He looked better, but still not up to par. He refused a couple checks and his 1 shot at driving the net on a fast break ended with a stupid toe drag. OOOOO, it’s frustrating when you’re given the body and strength he has but don’t use it closely to as much as you should. Staios, I don’t know. I think his problem is all foot speed and age. He’s gets caught of position because of this and is forced into bad decisions because of this. It will only likely get worse for him, but what can you do? That was Garth’s call and eventually I know it’s gonna cost us.
I described the bad, everything else was pretty much great! The 5min PAP boarding was complete BS on a questionable call, but the refs missed a high sticking on us so it sort of evened out.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
A much needed win
DP scares me—Big Cubano needs to play
++++Matt Martin, he needs more ice time.
-
+JT looks hungry, so did Neilsen
+Can we get off PAP’s back now?
+/- Kyle, you were ok tonight, but we MISS the KO of 2 years ago
+Matty Ice, hasn’t scored in a while, but he’s still getting chances, so is Grabner
by Staten Islander on Nov 5, 2011 10:52 PM EDT reply actions
Even strength goals are nice
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 5, 2011 10:55 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Nice...and almost foreign.
But in hockey, any given night…
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Didn't watch game
How did Tavares and Grabner combo work? Worried about Tavares. Hasn’t been nearly as dominant as of late.
i thought it looked good
that line is really effin fast. Tavares was working his magic trying to get to the slot and score, didnt really work today but he got on the board with the empty netter. but yea, no need to be worried about JT…hes JT he do what he do
screw homework, its all about islanders hockey
You think that line is fast imagine PAP over Moulson. lol. But I don't wanna change lines again yet, these worked nicely.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Tavares was his typical self
His game is just on this year, even if there aren’t points to match.
Success was survival and, kid, it still is
by IslesFanInNJ on Nov 5, 2011 11:03 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
+/-
+PA Parenteau – what a great game. Seemed like he was in the right place all the time.
+2nd line – Rolston scored, but played well. That line was very good.
- – Officiating. The officiating in this league is a joke. It needs CONSISTENCY! If PA got five minutes for boarding, why didn’t Joel Ward get the same for boarding Moulson. It was the same exact play in a different place on the ice. Also, Ricky gets run 3 times, the ref is watching all of it, and the official out in center ice makes the call. The NHL needs to do something about it.
by billymac23 on Nov 5, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Just got back from Game
Random observations
+ Grabs appeared to provide JT with lots of room to manuver. I think JT/Grabs combo has some great potential
+ JT wins an enourmous amount of important faceoffs
+ 2nd line – what can you say? outstanding night
+ Hamonic had good bounce back game
+ Matt Martin exceeding my expectations. He’s becoming the Isles’s David Clarkson.
- Molsen seems slow
- Okposo often losing battle for pucks; definitely in a funk
+/- DP played ok, but was beat high a couple of times
Finally a fun game at the NVMC
Faceoffs
Marty Reasoner 23rd with 54.5%
John Tavares 42nd with 51.7%. Thought it would be higher, but yes, he is very effective with those. Remember how poor he used to be at them and people were complaining he should be a wing. Growing up is cool
Half the team is doing well, so if we can get FN and JB going, that would be great. They should have those two practicing against JT and MR all of the time.
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by Keith Quinn on Nov 6, 2011 8:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
John Tavares 42nd with 51.7%. Thought it would be higher, but yes, he is very effective with those. Remember how poor he used to be at them and people were complaining he should be a wing. Growing up is cool
Remember? Definitely lol- I dont think he was doing all that well at them even at the start of this season. But he sure is picking it up recently. JT is is just gettting better and better and better right before our eyes. I love it.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 6, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's funny, because I don't think they are working on it "enough" in practice or something.
KO has taken a lot of faceoffs lately when Bailey has been on the ice with him. Not even from getting kicked out either.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Am I being too cynical?
-DP, enigmatic burden (although, if you wanna positive spin he does add to the cap). Will he ever return to form? Big fat rebounds, terrible puck control, unsound decisions every game. He just cant compete with Nabby or Al, plain and simple. Please don’t play him again, I don’t care if his contract runs into the next century.
+From what I heard his wife is bangin.
I just don't know.
I mean, seriously, I’m not very good at judging goalies, so I usually look at save percentage for the most part. I’ve noticed Nabokov giving up lots of rebounds as well. Also, while it’s true I haven’t seen as many rebounds from the opposition’s goalies, it has also been noted that the majority of Islander shots on net have been from the perimeter. I’m pretty sure even Montoya has given up rebounds.
Then again, DP’s save percentage is perfectly acceptable (a little over .900), but if only he didn’t let in the handful of goals this year that were head-scratchers, it’d probably be .950. So in the end, DP has certainly been frustrating, but his goals against average would suggest that we really ought to be able to live with some of those bad goals. If you’re only giving up two goals a game, you should win the majority of the time.
In the end, I don’t know if any one goalie is really going to hit their stride if they’re getting only 33% of the starts. /shrugs
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Nov 6, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, sort of
“handful of goals this year that were head-scratchers, it’d probably be .950.”
But its not, and .904 is really sub-par, especially since our defense is a bit thin (if only, christian ehrhoff). I mean, look at the caps. They’re also thin on defense and rely on Vokoun to make big stops, and when he doesnt, they give up 5 goals and lose to the islanders.
by potvins_cups on Nov 6, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
.904 is really sub-par, especially since our defense is a bit thin
The defense scored some of those goals on him- literally.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 6, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
See below for some stuff I want to track, but another thing is
(and I haven’t noticed a difference, but I wasn’t looking), I wonder if the D is playing any differently across the three goaltenders (short of also Monty and Nabby had to deal with Mottau and the rust coming off Amac, Eaton, Mottau, Staios and Streit’s various injuries and oldness).
For example, are the D collapsing differently toward the net when he’s in there (are they closer to the crease and having pucks deflect in off them) and if so, is that a system thing, a conscious or sub-conscious “DP is in there thing” (are the rebounds generally different), coincidence, or complete non factor because it’s not happening differently.
A lot to look at really, defense and goaltending are very difficult to look at like this, so I hope I can do it…it’s like the opposite of the scoring chance project!
Hey, at least I’m not just randomly bashing with “he sucks”! I’m trying to quantify! To me, they do look different when he plays, and it is difficult to put a finger on, but I want to try. And if I’m wrong, I’ll shut up certainly!
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I havent noticed any differences either- but Id be interested in looking at things once we get more stats to work with.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 6, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
My big concer for the goalies (and it hasdn't reared it's head yet)
is that playing stretches of games this way (bunch of games then two weeks off) is going to be detrimental to their timing, so they don’t get into a “flow”. (Lot of intangible junk)
I think it’s also the reason that Cappy is giving them all multiple games in a row…to establish that flow…and whoever’s “flow” is the best will be the starter, and whoever responds best to long layoffs will be the backup, and the worst of the lot will be the spot starter against weaker teams, spell for injury, and take care of the 4 games in six nights type of thing.
As always, my bigger concern is that if the competition isclose and still in favor of the short contract brigade, DP will be given the starts anyway (even if mildly outplayed), and things like the anomalous DP “assist” to JT has people clamoring for his “puck moving ability” even though that usually leads to bad things.
I started to develop a bit of a DP tracking system of a bunch of criteria that I’ve looked at in his play (try to compare it to our others…these things aren’t tracked, so I have no idea what league average may be) so far this season (really, all the old complaints) and want to formalize it to track things like:
- gets in way of defenseman
- clear or dump to opposition
- overplays a pass/shot (lateral movement)
- has difficulty getting out of butterfly (hard to quantify, but I’m looking at .5/1 second)
- Big rebound
If anyone can think of some other things, have at it. I’d like to either prove or disprove the DP vs the rest thing so we can get past it.
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by Keith Quinn on Nov 6, 2011 8:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Those bullets
Are all what I look for when trying to figure if DP is “right” or, heh, “worth using.” The big rebounds not so much, as I really think every goalie gives those up and it’s hard to count whose are worse (I remember fat rebounds from Montoya and Nabby that went to nice or fortunate places … when they go to the D we can theorize that the goalie knew what he was doing, but again, that’s just a hard category to track vs. the other ones).
Once correction though:
he best will be the starter, and whoever responds best to long layoffs will be the backup, and the worst of the lot will bethe spot starter against weaker teamsa Blue Jacket
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What do you want from the Jackets though?
and would Nabby waive the NMC? You know (or hope) Howson wouldn’t commit NHL suicide by taking DP…and Snow won’t commit public perception suicide by dealing Montoya.
And agreed about the rebounds…it’s one of those things where I seriously will have to be doing the pause DVR things. The bigger issue is the resulting outcome of all of those things.
I was starting to make up connecting things like
plays up boards: to teammate/to opposition/to noone/to neutral zone
cuts off dump in: screws up D attempting to retrieve (now in poor position)/makes quality “leave”/ allows D to converge on play.
Freaking complicated with all of the interworking parts. I think that is why there is such a discrepancy as to what people think of him. You could be watching the same play, but unless you are watching how everyone around him is reading and reacting to what he does, you can’t get a full flavor of the usefulness or detriment of any particular play.
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And I find myself reading (or reaching)
for things like, “Does Hamonic look particularly pissed after that goal went by DP … or am I reading into what is a normal reaction to giving up the tying goal after a BS penalty?”
On the BJ’s, I actually don’t see a trade match at all … that was just a throwaway line since they appear to be the team in most desperate need of a goalie, among other things.
I would like people to remember how great Mason’s numbers were through 20+ games his rookie year (didn’t that get him the Calder?) and how awful he’s looked ever since.
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Yea
the problem is the Jackets really don’t have even one defenseman that could help us, let alone enough depth for them to consider it.
Tavares is Tavares.
Probably would have to be draft picks or a prosepct(s).
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
I'm starting to wonder
if the Leafs want some Reimer insurance. They’ve played all right without him, but you have to wonder how much faith they have going forward.
Tavares is Tavares.
Who's their backup? Gustavsson? I'd think they'd like some insurance over his completely shotty and wild play.
Not sure what they’d be willing to pay for it though. Maybe a 3rd?
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Good god
if you look at this puck daddy thing http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Embattled-Blue-Jackets-coach-on-8216-hitting-a?urn=nhl-wp16764
Go down to the “highlights” and watch the D…I wouldn’t even want any of these guys in BPT right now. Very weird when you can say something like “7 of those 9 goals weren’t on the goaltender”.
Freaking travesty. I wonder if Mason is even bad. He does look completely shell-shocked though and looks to be cheating or over-anticipating things now.
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Mason is probably not quite that bad...
…but he certainly isn’t very good. Those first 20 or so games were by far his best stretch of play. Then the shooters caught up to him and he hasn’t been able to adjust.
First 25 games: .938 save %, 1.75 GAA, 5 so
Next 40 games: .896 save %, 2.83 GAA, 5 so
That takes us through the end of his rookie year and includes his playoff round. Is he the guy from the beginning, or the guy at the end?
Ever since: 125 games: .898 save %, 3.11 GAA, 8 so
Howson has got to be a little antsy…
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Funny how
Fischler made the case for a goalie to the Jackets in the pregame show and Mason went out and laid an egg of epic proportions. Maven must have been loving that.
Tavares is Tavares.
Another correction:
the best will be the starter, and whoever responds best to long layoffs will be the backup, and the worst of the lot not named Rick DiPietro will be
the spot starter against weaker teamsa Blue Jacket
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 6, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
State of the Isle, 2000-2021.
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aiiiiieeee
We have to go through ten more seasons of this?
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by mikb on Nov 6, 2011 9:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We could never get so lucky. I’d think about throwing in Strome with DP and just take Marty back
Tavares is Tavares.
A DiPietro dump is not worth Strome
You are trying to correct a mistake by doing a even bigger one.
At worst, DiPietro can be bought out. It may seem a tempting deal now, but Strome’s loss would be hard to compensate (and justify) in a couple of years.
HUGE PLUS: Matt Martins absolutely delicious goal. My god, I could watch it on a continuous loop for hours and enjoy every minute of it. :)
PLUS: PAP rockin it… I can only hope that people LOOK at him and get over the opinion they have ingrained in their head from a year ago that he is no good and only benefits from JT. WATCH HIM. Player evaluations are meant to be re-evaluated and, if they are worth a shit, they should be able to change over time.
PLUS: Scoring coming from all over the place, from 3 of 4 lines. Nicccce.
PLUS: The lines looked pretty good IMO.
MINUS: The fans who are screaming for the coach’s head for changing up the lines when the team isnt winning are the SAME PEOPLE who called for Gordons head for NOT changing up the lines when the team wasnt winning.
MINUS: Kyle looked alright, but he passed on numerous opportunities to play the body and did so only a couple of times the whole game. Youre not gonna break in two, Kyle.
MINUS: The calls on the Isles (Staios and PAP) were relatively marginal, yet they were called and, in PAPs case, SERIOUSLY over-penalized. That whistle when we were on TVs doorstep pissed me off too- the dude was fine, give me a break. How come when our players are slammed in the face bleeding or their teeth are knocked out there isnt a whistle like that? Horseshit.
PLUS: Hamonic looked like Hamonic instead of that monstrosity we watched get schooled by the Jets. Thank god.
PLUS: The team not giving up and feasting on overblown emo-drama when they were down by two goals- unlike so many of their fans.
MINUS: Ricks second goal on the 4 on 4… he should have had that, AND the timing was awful.
PLUS: Rick otherwise had a good game.
PLUS: Rick playing it smart and passing it up to JT for the ENG instead of going for it himself and having the Caps cut it off and come back and score on him. You KNOW he wanted to take that shot SO BAD- but he had the sense not to.
MINUS: Reading the GDT here- I usually LOVE LHH GDTs, but fucking a- some people really need to get a grip. Seriously. I understand being mad when we are losing, questioning WTH the team is doing, we are all feeling that- and it makes sense. But all this shit about how the season is lost and how we are in a “November Slump”? WTH? This was the second game in fucking November, and we WON it in regulation. Those who are hysterical need to get a grip.
PLUS: The plus minus thread seems a lot less raging emo drama queen- thank god.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 6, 2011 12:48 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Martin's goal was exactly what people hope of him
and sadly what too few forwards have been doing thus far.
As for PAP, it was great to see him excel in another situation, even if it was with Nielsen who is no slouch. For quite a while I’ve thought his stuff could translate to any line; here’s to hoping…
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by Dominik on Nov 6, 2011 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This
HUGE PLUS: Matt Martins absolutely delicious goal. My god, I could watch it on a continuous loop for hours and enjoy every minute of it. :)
Isn’t it amazing that what most other teams would consider a “garbage” or “dirty” goal, we’ve missed so much that we think it is a work of art? Seriously makes you appreciate Adam Graves or Derek King when you see that. Long live Matt Martin’s lower back!
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Isn’t it amazing that what most other teams would consider a "garbage" or "dirty" goal, we’ve missed so much that we think it is a work of art? Seriously makes you appreciate Adam Graves or Derek King when you see that. Long live Matt Martin’s lower back!
Oh HECK yeah!!!!
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 6, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
Matt Martin could be our Holmstrom that does more stuff. I'm surprised we haven't tried him out in front of the net more.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
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+ We won
+ We scored 5 goals
+ DiPietro got the win
- I didn’t get to see that game since it was blacked out for the Buffalo\Ottawa
- The Buffalo\Ottawa game was not broadcast in HD on the MSG+ HD channel.
Short and sweet, happy as hell that we won. I still find it curious however that from the looks of it we played up to a good team while conversely we played down to a bad team like Winnipeg.
The New York Islanders....they make opposing goalies look gooooood.
+/-
+ The Isles won
- So did the rest of the Atlantic (BOOOOOOOO)
"I didn't know if I was going to be handed a kielbasa or punched in the face." Florida Coach Kevin Dineen on the raucous atmosphere at Nassau Coliseum before opening-night.
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- A BIG minus to MSG+ for neglecting to provide the Isles, once again, with some sort of postgame show but instead SHOWING THE END OF THE FUCKING RANGERS GAME!? What the fuck is that!? If I wanted to watch the Rangers game, I’d put on fucking MSG!
I hate Cablevision.
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Oh
Can I still complain about them showing the Ranger game right after though?
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by Fabtraption on Nov 6, 2011 8:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
u can always complain about the Rangers here I think
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Mark Eaton gets the Hard Hat from me tonite
++++ for Mark Eaton tonite. He ws fantastic tonite. Blocked Shots, A 3 on the night…..His best game as an Islander by far.
+MMartin is one HIT away from me going to buy a #17 T-Shirt.
++ Jack Capuano – Based on Last Year and what we have seen this year Cappy seems to have good feel player Psyche. So far he has often pushed the right buttons
A HUGE WIN. That Major Call on PAP and the goal that resulted was the final straw for this team. They played with aggression, desperation and conviction in tose last 2 periods.
I think they win into the locker room after the first and said….“We’re not gonna get help, we need to do this ourselves”.
Tonite you saw what the isles learned from LY’s Losing Streak. They were not going to be denied tonite.
GREAT GAME.
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One Other Thing
Announced crowd of 14K+.
Thats more like it. I think the guys also felt like they really wanted to please those people.
Don’t underestimate the size of the crowd and what that does for a player/team.
I think thats a small part of the reason why the Isles struggled on Opening Night. They were Presing b/c they wanted to put on a good performance for the people that night
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Attendance
Attendance like that on a more consiistent basis will make others notice as well (wink, wink).
I really wish the isles could just get like 14K a night. They havent averaged that attendance since 2002.
anyway….bedtime..
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Plus/Minus
Minus to Cap for starting Rickety – When will the torture end?
Plus to all the fans chanting Al Mon-toya in the 1st period
Minus to anyone who thinks Rickety is anything better than the 3rd String goalie on this team
That's all I took from this game, too.
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by Dominik on Nov 6, 2011 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
LOL
Unbelievable
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by FB4Real on Nov 6, 2011 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
That's What I Felt Like Commenting On
Do I have to go through everything else like plus to Martin, plus to PAP, etc., which is covered above? Yeesh. Give it a rest. Ricky was the focus of many fans’ derision IN THE BUILDING. And that’s in Section 303, prime real estate. Sorry if you think that’s just me, but it isn’t. He even got a sarcastic cheer on the first save.
And BTW, I can’t remember the last time fans have called for the back-up goaltender at the Coliseum. I know we’ve done it before, but it’s been so long I can’t even remember. Do you remember? Probably when fans were calling for Ozzie to replace, uh, Ricky.
Your Free to say whatever and BOO whoever you want.
It just seems kinda like a lazy approach to me.
I mean everyone knows the RDP story by now…The Isles signed him to acontract that they probably should not have signed him to. It doesn’t take a genius to see that.
But looking at the situation now and not looking in the past….things could’ve been worse…they could have signed him to just a 5 year deal. Who knows what the future holds for DP. The next 3-4 years might be good productive seasons for DP. Will you promise to Boo him in the Playoffs if the Isles make it this year and he is the primary Goaltender?
Look, He’s a Goalie…he’s not getting traded…or bought out..or whatever….so what does calling for Montoya and Booing DP really do (what the point).
The Isles ended a 6 game losing streak tonight by coming back from a 2 goal defecit to beat what is arguably the best team in the NHL in the early season.
But OK…DP Sucks.
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by FB4Real on Nov 6, 2011 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Come on, you have to admit it's funny
To start the evening complaining about the goalie, then capping the win off by complaining about the goalie.
(No I don’t remember the last time, but I know it’s happened. When was the last time they called for the backup after the night’s starter allowed two goals in 20 minutes, then went on to win giving up three total?)
Tonight it’s obviously reflective of the fanbase obsession and frustration with everything involved in DP’s history, from his draft to the trade to the contract to the injuries. It just gets old when everything that could ever possibly be said about the player has already been said 2000 times.
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by Dominik on Nov 6, 2011 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I wonder if they actually even pay attention to any of the other players
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by FB4Real on Nov 6, 2011 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There are other players?
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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I Hate to Tell You This, But You and FB4Real are in the Minority on This
You guys have this “move on, get over” Ricky mentality that is completely out of touch with the great majority of fans, especially fans who are actually in the building.
Why do you think Newsday asked Ricky about the Al Montoya chants post-game? Why do you think they bothered to write a whole separate story on it? Because one old idiot in his Denis Potvin jersey in the upper bowl (me) was booing him?
Flame or mock me all you want. But I hate to break this to you – it was thousands of fans calling for Al Montoya. Very loud, very audible. Too loud to ignore. And that’s why it merited separate coverage from Newsday.
I was at the game on Thursday Night
They did the same thing on Thursday. RDP getting booed is a NON-STORY.
Regardless of whether Newsday writes something or not, its just not a story IMHO.
Fans calling for NINO on a night when they cant score is a story …Fans Booing Bailey off the Ice on a night when the Islanders lose and he doesnt do much is a Story.
RDP is not a story tonight. Hes just not
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by FB4Real on Nov 6, 2011 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I Hate to Tell You This, But You and FB4Real are in the Minority on This
You guys have this "move on, get over" Ricky mentality that is completely out of touch with the great majority of fans, especially fans who are actually in the building.
I think its pretty ridiculous that you are telling Dom about Isles fans. He runs the most successful Isles blog on the entire Internet, yet you feel like you are in the position to inform HIM? Please… no offense, but IMO you need to get a bit over yourself.
Why do you think Newsday asked Ricky about the Al Montoya chants post-game? Why do you think they bothered to write a whole separate story on it? Because one old idiot in his Denis Potvin jersey in the upper bowl (me) was booing him?
Why? Because it happened. They try to make a big honking deal out of anything they think can be dramatic in the Isles goalie situation (do you even remember all the stupid goalie stories in Newsday over the years?)
Flame or mock me all you want. But I hate to break this to you – it was thousands of fans calling for Al Montoya. Very loud, very audible. Too loud to ignore. And that’s why it merited separate coverage from Newsday.
Again with this. The thing is, youre not “breaking” anything to any of us. Do you really believe you are lol? We all know how emo-ed out Isles fans can get, its definitely not news. Fans in general get off on irrationally believing they know all and have everything completely figured out, and Isles fans are no different. And this might shock you too, but its good for you to remember- you are not any bigger of a fan than anyone else here. Your DQ goalie fixations are no more “valid” than people who find it misplaced and tiresome.
Finally, there is this- and you really, REALLY would benefit from letting this sink in: Just because someone like Dom or me or whoever do not bitch and whine about goaltending every single frickin time this team is ever talked about ever ever, that doesnt mean that you know how any of us feel about it. If you want to know what people think, ask them… because your presumptions do not cut it.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 6, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Thanks TMC
I will just choose to think about the positives when it comes to RDP.
I mean its funny….b/c his bad contract is helping our cap situation right now.
Maybe the next 2-4 years will be good years for RDP. Right now, hes healthy, hes playing to around the same level as any of the other three so things are fine. He says all the right things and he is respected by teammates and fellow NHL Goalies.
RDP haters and whiners treat DP like hehas a bad attitude or he is demanding PT or whatever.
Its not like he’s Terrel Owens or something like that.
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Okay Got It
I don’t see clearly. I have to get over myself. I’m irrational. I have to let what you say sink in. And I assume that includes the string of obscenties from you directed my way. Uggh.
You do know that it is possible to disagree with someone and not resort to ad hominem attacks right? Apparently not.
Okay Got It
I don’t see clearly. I have to get over myself. I’m irrational. I have to let what you say sink in.
And I assume that includes the string of obscenties from you directed my way. Uggh.
Actually Id say from my perspective that you dont seem to get it.
You do know that it is possible to disagree with someone and not resort to ad hominem attacks right? Apparently not.
I genuinely do not understand why you feel so attacked and offended by me making a clear point that our opinions have equal value (!), that your presumptions about how others (like me) feel about things are not automatically correct, AND my suggesting that a “let me tell YOU whats what” attitude about what fans “really” think or how things “really” are doesnt “really” help anything. I dont understand WHY pointing any of that out is so offensive- unless being considered equal to others offends you. And if me using words like “frickin” is considered a string of obscenities and a personal attack in your world, I can only confess that I did indeed use a pseudo ‘no-no’ word in a post directed at you… Im sure I used a number of words (nothing I wouldnt say in front of my daddy) but I feel kinda bad if seeing it there in all its blatant font-ness it bothers you that much. I am just not used to people being that offended by words like that. I would think that you would be offended had I immediately dismissed you, mocked you, stated that your opinions were worthless, refused any polite/intelligent discussion or to explain any assertions I made, whatever… I would not have thought that saying someones opinions are as valid as my own would be any kind of a low blow by anyones definition.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 7, 2011 1:30 AM EST up reply actions
"Flame or mock me all you want"
One more thing- maybe that wasnt the most accurate thing for you to say, since my responses to you (which included no flaming at all and relatively tame mocking of a concept you defend, not really “you”) seems to have really upset you. Perhaps “Please do not flame or mock me or disagree with or belittle any idea I profess and dont use any bad words either” would be more accurate? Im just saying- because if I knew you would seem this upset responding numerous times as I have done just wouldnt have been worth it.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 7, 2011 1:37 AM EST up reply actions
Well, to be blatantly honest, most of RDP's goals have been on the PP or the D's/F's fault. Even tonight, the only goal he really should have had was ovechkin's 30 footer.
And you could say the same exact thing for the other goalies, most of the goals let in have been the D/F’s faulting and rarely Monty/Nabby’s fault. Yes, he seems to be a little more shaky then the other 2 and comes out more then he’s supposed to, but the other 2 guys haven’t been head and shoulders above him honestly. Have they been better? Yeah. But has DP been bad? No. DP hasn’t been letting a lot of soft goals, maybe 2 I’d say. You really can’t just jump on the blame wagon for no reason. This isn’t DP throwing up .880 SV% gms and looking like garbage, this is DP giving up PP and D/F faulting goals, same as the other goalies. Until you see him costing us a game or point in the standings, THERE IS NO LOGICAL REASON TO JUMP ON HIM.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
by OzzyFan on Nov 6, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry, you misread me and my view of this player
You guys have this "move on, get over" Ricky mentality
It is not a “move on, get over it” mentality by any means. I assure you.
I cannot speak for FB4Real, but I am not flaming nor mocking you nor anyone else who is focused on how much DP sucks and how much he makes a segment question whether it’s worth being a fan anymore. I’m quite aware of the situation and the long history, how frustrating it is, how the current situation is completely undesirable and how this player would probably not be an Islander, or at least not in the NHL without AHL probation, if he had been a UFA either of the last two summers rather than locked in.
(This is a sidenote, but mass behavior and media coverage are not the end-all, be-all indicator of what’s important to me on any given night. A lot of people bought Michael Jackson records, too. Newsday knows, as I know, that DP=lightning rod = good for traffic and coverage. Except my priority is not eliciting coverage/traffic; it’s eliciting interesting conversation and insight.)
I’ve simply asked, at times politely and at times with sarcastic resignation, that people either actually discuss the merits or specific details of a performance rather than resorting to the same general graffiti that, because of the history, only ends up derailing the focus to a tired and rehashed back-and-forth rather than the details and decisions within a particular game.
To try to put my request briefly: DP plays awful for three games and still gets the start? By all means, rant on. DP wanders from the crease, gets a defenseman creamed, turns over the puck and costs the Isles a goal or a win? Please, tear his performance apart. But DP is a non-factor in three games, the most recent being a win? Maybe save the automatic thread derailment for the next time or, if the frustration needs an outlet, at least talk about what specifically he goofed on in this game.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
by Dominik on Nov 6, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
To try to put my request briefly: DP plays awful for three games and still gets the start? By all means, rant on. DP wanders from the crease, gets a defenseman creamed, turns over the puck and costs the Isles a goal or a win? Please, tear his performance apart. But DP is a non-factor in three games, the most recent being a win? Maybe save the automatic thread derailment for the next time or, if the frustration needs an outlet, at least talk about what specifically he goofed on in this game.
Absolutely. Going off on goaltending when it is a factor makes perfect sense. But just going on auto-pilot and going off on it just- because? YAWN.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 6, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The only reason I disagree with this is it assumes he will play better when it does matter (i.e. when he is a factor). I think critiquing his play, even when we are shutout is legit. There’s a difference between saying DP is terrible and we lost because of DP, and I’d like to think I’ve been doing the former while cognizant of the fact that he hasn’t necessarily affected the outcome.
Tavares is Tavares.
Critiquing actual play is one thing- and I have no problem with doing so objectively… and you dont have one set of rules for one guy and a completely different set of rules for another. But many people do not critique (i.e. watch what happened and talk about it legitimately) they instead have preconceived ideas and yammer on about them- regardless of what happens, they dont need to even watch because they already know. Its pretty much like they have their rants pre-written and do not even watch anything that happens.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 6, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly, I hate to point fingers, but "this" is not critiquing, and "this" started the whole discussion thing:
“Minus to Cap for starting Rickety – When will the torture end?
Plus to all the fans chanting Al Mon-toya in the 1st period
Minus to anyone who thinks Rickety is anything better than the 3rd String goalie on this team”
This is pointless, especially after a win in which DP didn’t play bad or factor negatively in the game.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
by OzzyFan on Nov 6, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What we really need to be is more like Ranger fans, right?
Plus to all the fans chanting Al Mon-toya in the 1st period
Because chanting in unison makes a crowd smart – See MSG and “Potvin Sucks” as an example.
by Hockey1919 on Nov 7, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, real smart to chant "AGAINST" your goalie in the 1st period. We have some genius fans.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
by OzzyFan on Nov 7, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And no, of course I don’t think it’s just you and never said anything of the sort — I’m quite familiar with my fellow Islanders fans’ sentiments and read the daily DP angst. (Believe it or not, I have plenty of it myself and do rank him 3rd in the pecking order.)
But we ask for post-game observations … and you gave a “minus” to anyone who views the goaltending situation differently than you.
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by Dominik on Nov 6, 2011 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
The Islanders Won Tonight Dude
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by FB4Real on Nov 6, 2011 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
but... but... goalies...
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 6, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
yea what about em?
ok hes not what he used to be and your tired of hearing DP criticism. got it. won’t utter another word about it. maybe.
by potvins_cups on Nov 6, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Wrong.
You obviously have no idea how I feel about this.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 6, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Running Total
Kyle 0; Post 1.
I was a little drugged up last night (legally, I assure you), so if my assessments are a little off, that is my excuse.
Streit: B. About a normal game for Streit, which is a welcome thing.
3.153 (11 games played)
Staios: B-. Nice assist on Martin goal. I thought Staios looking especially slow this game had a lot to due with the speed of the Caps forwards.
2.309 (11)
Hamonic: B. Solid, but still not as physical as the first few games. He made a key Ovechkin block.
3.086 (11)
AMac: B-. Similar to Staios and Eaton (and probably Jurcina too), I think his apparent sluggishness had a lot to do with the big, speedy Caps forwards. Clearly this is not last year’s AMac, but some games he appears close.
2.764 (10)
Eaton: C+. Was caught in no-man’s land 3 or 4 times in the 1st period. (Wouldn’t blame him at all for the 1st goal, though.) Part of this was the forwards’ faults, and part of it was good low-to-high play by Caps, but not a good start for Eaton. Pretty good rest of the game, though. (It helps when Isles are controlling the play.)
2.400 (11)
Jurcina: B-. This is what is expected of Jurcina.
2.423 (4)
Not in action:
Mottau:
1.946 (7) (About a ‘C’ average.)
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 6, 2011 8:39 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
+ Physicality from more places than just Matt Martin
+ The extended effort on the Martin, Nielsen, PAP goals. Sticking in for the rebounds, loose pucks, second shots, instead of just dumping it at the goaltender and running. This is the kind of effort that we have been waiting for to pay off.
+ 2 points and a huge moral victory, not only breaking the streak but doing it against one of the better teams in the conference
+/- DP. I know, he got the win, and did look solid at times. On the other hand, he also did let in some softies. I know the defense didn’t help with some of that. I’ll have to go look at some of the previous goals, but it looks like teams are figuring out that they can get him to drop early and beat him over the glove, which appears to be a little slow on those attempts.
- The 3 headed monster. It just sucks to see any goalie sit for 3 weeks. Especially after a bad game before that. It’s just tough to stay hot in that situation.
- Officials again. Blown call on the PAP boarding (really, was there even body-to-body contact on that?), quick whistles for Washington when Vokoun didn’t have full possession. At least one was on what could have a been a juicy and lucrative chance for the Isles.
- Opposing fans still getting front-row seats and filling up behind the Isles bench. We should not be hearing ANY cheers when opposing teams score. Also, am I the only one perplexed by so many locals being fans of seemingly random teams? Pittsburgh fans, Washington fans? Really? I think a lot of people on the Island only started watching hockey 3 years ago.
DP high
I’ll have to go look at some of the previous goals, but it looks like teams are figuring out that they can get him to drop early and beat him over the glove,
That’s what I’m worried about, too. Laich’s wasn’t even a one-timer, it was a pause, curl the blade, and lift that sucker move. Would love another angle on it to see how much traffic there was.
The opposing fans … was that something to do with Military Night? Seems like that drew a cross-section of allegiances (not that it makes it any easier to swallow).
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
I missed the game entirely last night
Minuses:
My laptop went on the fritz, so I have to catch up next morning on the old tower
The complete and utter predictability of the “OMG DP Sukz; Fire Cappy, Play Montoya b/c DP Sukz, Oh, wait, we won”, in the game thread. It’s a lot like IPB around here lately.
Pluses:
PAP — Just a great game. But, for the record, he’s really not a top notch NHL player. That much is just obvious.
(The stupidity of a 5 minute major for boarding aside, how does he GET a five minute major for boarding and not get ejected? I thought they went hand in hand?)
Fransie — Gets it started with a great effort. Plays well all night long.
DP — Played well, IMO. While he hasn’t “WON” a game for us, neither has he “LOST” a game for us yet. Goalies give up rebounds, more when they’re screened. The first goal was a deflection off a rebound that should have been gobbled up by the defence. For all the DP haters out there, a newsflash: Ovie’s been scoring on that partially screened slapshot one timer on everybody. Finally, the reality is that top shelf short side goal is the one you give up to a shooter who can hit it. There aren’t many who can.
Composure: It would have been easy for the team to give up after the first two and then after the thrid goals. They didn’t. Good for them. Good also on DP maintaining his composure and concentration when the fans started with that moronic Montoya chant. Nice Asshat move on the part of the “fans”
Cappy’s hair — love how the NHL goes to his hair after every goal against. There must be a suggestion that he’s goig to start pulling it out at some point.
DP’s assist — how many coronaries were there when he decided to play that puck?
One final thought. We have three goalies. I don’t know what Nabby’s injury situation is, but we need to keep in mind that the Isles have played the fewest games of anyone in the League so far, and most of them have been at home. There will be times in the next month or two in a three in four nights on the road stretch when I suspect we will be happy to have three. However, until someone decides they want to give up an asset to get Nabokov in a trade, we will continue to have three goalies. That’s how it’s going to be. We might as well get used to it.
STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Nov 6, 2011 9:32 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
"It’s a lot like IPB around here lately."
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What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
P/M 11/05/11 5-3 WIN VS WAS
THE USUAL
+ (GoalDiff) GFPG/GAPG 23(2.09)/28(2.54) =-5(.82) (D) (1-3EN)
Their goal should be +8(1.03) which is where they were in 2006-07
- (TV) Did not see the game.
- (Thirty Goal Crew) Moulson (2), Grabner(3), Tavares* (8)
Tavares nabbed an ENG to keep his 50+ pace. Moulson and Grabner will need hotter Novembers to get back on a 30+ pace.
+ (GOALTENDING) Dipietro 25/28 saves. I didn’t see the game, but his stats continue to be unspectacular. Also, in one of the positive highlights… there is Rickety making a dangerous pass up to Tavares for the ENG. Yay… but if he whiffs… game tied… and then we’d hear about "swelling" until somebody else carried them to a playoff push, and they could release him from protective custody.
I’ll still give him a + for keeping them in this game until the offense started flowing.
-(Special Teams) EV Special teams index is 1.03.
PP 0/2 I didn’t see the game so I can’t comment on how it was working…. But 0 for 2 is 0 for 2.
PP is at 18%.
PK 2/3 1 PP goal vs WAS isn’t really a bad night, but the PK has slipped to 84%
+ Devil droppings (Rolston/Pandolfo/Mottau)
The CAP MULE scored a goal !!!… from forty feet out.
-(The scape wagon) No data for this, and it was a WIN… We can leave the scapewagon in the garage.
THIS YEAR V LAST YEAR (AFTER 11) 1-6 Loss @ PHI on 10/30/10.
+ (Record) 4-5-2(10) v 4-6-1(09) (+1PT)
- (PP) 7/38(18%) v 13/58 (22%) 0/6
+ (PK) 32/38 (84%) v 43/52(83%) 6/8
+ (AVG ATT) 12,612 v 11787 (11,922) (4 HOME GAMES)
GENERAL OBSERVATONS
POS
+ WIN
+ Matt Martin scored a goal and now leads the league in hits. He was also limited to 9:16 of TOI. From the shift chart it appears that he was playing with Bailey and Pandolfo. I see this as more of a demotion for Bailey (due to cut in TOI) then a promotion for Martin, who is doing everything right. I didn’t see the game, but Bailey and Pandolfo combined for 0 shots while Martin had 2.
+ Rolston-Nielsen-Parentau. Three goals, 7 points. It appears that they drew the Semin line most of the night, so this may have been because of "somebody" taking a mental health day… but Nice work just the same.
+ Line changes in general. Cappy has stuck to his line combos for almost about ¾ of a season now without any major shake ups. It appears that this was a good response. Sure, there could be a talent upgrade, and there could be a general philosophy (Bailey, shoot v pass) upgrade… but this seemed to work for the time being. From the shift charts it looks like these were the NEW combos
Moulson-Tavares-Grabner. I’m not sure I like the three left thumbs, or having the whole thirty goal crew on the ice together. Maybe there will be more shuffling.
Rolston-Nielsen-Parentau. Maybe this is what Rolston needs… a RW that wants to stay on the RW, and a C that keeps him from having to backcheck. I didn’t see it, but it looks like it worked… but I’d guess that it was mostly PA and Frans doing the right stuff.
Comeau-Reasoner-Okposo. 5 shots isn’t bad, but I’d have to have seen their play to make more of a statement. The Corsi for this game made little sense to me.
Martin-Bailey-Pandolfo. I’m not sure I get it. You’re never going to get any offensive output from Pandolfo… that door has been locked for ever. I thought that Bailey might have needed an upgrade, like Grabner work better in the transition game, and not be so reliant on particular spacing to get a shot off. I think Martin-Bailey-Grabner would have made more sense… I don’t think this lasts for too long. Martin now needs to see the ice more.
NEG
- I missed the game because SOMEBODY recorded the blacked out center ice channel instead of the local coverage.
- The special teams are slipping. Not in panic mode yet, but this will need to be addressed if it continues.
LighthouseHockey: We saw this coming!
@JPinVA
One point
Martin-Bailey-Pandolfo. I’m not sure I get it. You’re never going to get any offensive output from Pandolfo…
God willing, this is what I hope is happening…
Martin and Pandolfo are obviously not world beaters, but they do what they do with purpose and efficiency. One goes to the net, one digs in a corner, and that leaves Bailey with a ton of open ice…and gives him more of an ability to get to the net too.
There isn’t anybody skating all over the place in the way, and nobody standing right next to him and bumping into him /Glares at Comeau and Rolston. The best we’ve seen Bailey play (ever) is when he has that type of dynamic on that line (with Sim, with PAP and Comeau). Now if that can be replicated with more talented linemates (like say Nino and Martin), maybe Bailey gets going.
I remember last year joking that JB WAS the Isles net front presence early on…because at the time it was true. He can’t really do that if BC is COZOing and turning the puck over and Rolston is too slow to get back to cover.
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Then why not...
Martin-bailey-Okposo… I’m still not convinced that Comeau-Bailey-Martin wouldn’t be successful. Pandolfo does what he does, but he craps his pants in offensive situations… The 12 forward dynamic will not be improved as a whole until the Devil Droppings are replaced by players that have a future with the club. I’m okay with waiting until they are ready, but Ullstrom and Nino have got to be a vast imporvement over the CAP MULE and the DEFENSE DONKEY.
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@JPinVA
Could work
I just think that RIGHT NOW, Pandolfo may be doing a bit of a better job with the hitting and digging along the boards, playing responsible D and doing it with less ice time (also probably less difficult competition). But agreed, if KO is in old form (and even if he’s not, Pando is old), it works.
I’m okay with waiting until they are ready, but Ullstrom and Nino have got to be a vast imporvement over the CAP MULE and the DEFENSE DONKEY.
Agreed!
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by Keith Quinn on Nov 6, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

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