A Quick Lesson in Chemistry: What Ails the Isles?
I was going to post the scoring chance update for the Islanders today, but after last night's demoralizing home loss to the Winnipeg Jets, I have no desire to put a positive spin on anything. There's a good chance that there were positives after a 34-shot game and positive Corsi numbers, but does it matter anymore? The Isles can get 50 chances a game, but you can't win without goals.
The Islanders seem to be falling into the same pattern as last year -- fast start that has everyone buzzing, followed by painfully long losing streak where they can't seem to buy a goal, ultimately knocking them out of playoff contention before the new year. Granted, it's a little early to start panicking and way too early to be thinking the Isles can't make the playoffs, but you can't deny the similarities between this year and last.
Last year the Islanders turned it around after mid-December and gave us all high expectations entering this season. The thought that the changes in coaches and styles may have brought around better play, but here we are, new season, new coach, new style, similar results.
My take on the failures of the Islanders has everything to do with chemistry. Not line chemistry, but team chemistry. Sure there are the obvious reasons, like the team is not scoring enough and that key players aren't producing up to expectations, but we've seen these players produce before. So why are they not producing now?
When the Islanders turned it around, gone from the lineup were Doug Weight, Trent Hunter and Mike Mottau. Over the next two and a half weeks veterans Dwayne Roloson, Mark Eaton and Jon Sim all left the "country club" and the team was left with, for the most part, a young group of talented guys who were ready to show the NHL what they were made of. If the season had started on December 16, the Isles would have found themselves in the playoffs. Sadly, the season started two months earlier.
In the offseason, instead of upgrading the team that played so well the final two thirds of the season last year, the Islanders pretty much brought back the same team they started the 2010-11 season with. Sure Weight, Roloson, and Sim were gone, but in their place were Brian Rolston, Evgeni Nabokov, and Jay Pandolfo. Mark Eaton and Mike Mottau returned, towing Steve Staios into the lineup with them. I'm sure Garth Snow and management tried finding better, younger players to add to this team, but in the end they did not succeed, and trying alone doesn't win you hockey games.
Instead Snow tried filling holes again with reclamation projects. I'm not saying some of these players haven't performed well in the early season, but if mixing 'past their prime' veterans in with our young nucleus for the sole purpose of meeting the cap floor didn't work last year, what on earth made the Islanders think it would work again this year. What does it say to your young core when you sign two guys who couldn't get an NHL contract until the end of training camp, and insert them right into your starting lineup?
This isn't to take away blame from the young players, because there is definitely enough blame for some to land on their shoulders. But something isn't working for a bunch of guys who proved last year that it could work, and for a coach who was behind the bench when it did work.
Normally I'm optimistic, but I think it will be really hard for the Islanders to ever turn the corner if they keep with the same pattern of filling in their roster with pieces from the scrap heap. Maybe the line changes Jack Capuano institutes will help. Maybe the Islanders will turn this around without making any significant roster changes.
I'm not a scientist, science was actually my worst subject in school, but it seems a whole lot like a chemistry problem to me. You wouldn't mix trimethyl fluoro sulfuric anhydride and sodium nitride with water (trust me, you wouldn't), so why are you mixing Blake Comeau and Josh Bailey with Brian Rolston?
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Really seem like dead weight to me now. Atleast Weight had a big part of coaching while he was hurt and helped JT get comfortable but these new guys just don’t seem to do anything. But I don’t know if you can blame Pandolfo for the offensive woes like you can Rolston.
Constantly building for the future.
You cant blame Jay for offense
and for the most part him and Nabaokov have done what theyve been asked to do.Its more a question of this team being ‘a team’ and it doesnt seem to be the same team taking the ice as the one that skated after the brawl with the Penquins. This team doesn’t seem to have any spark, any character.
Another suggestion could be the absence of Zenon Konopka, but I’d hate to give that much credit to one player that he completely changed the identity of a team
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by Chris McNally on Nov 4, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Rolston and Pandolfo whould rent rooms to Nino and Strome
At least we could convince ourselves they are serving the “Weight-mentoring” role.
I can’t hate on Rolston, Pandolfo or Staois too much. They are past their primes and doing what they are capable of. They are just not going to get this team to the next level and are passengers waiting to get dropped off at the next stage of development.
Thoughts for saturday
Rolston sits for DiBenedetto (11 pts in 10 gms) and Okposo or Comeau sit for Niederreiter. I think DiBo will bring an edge and wake up the team. Montoya should start. Nothing against DP and Nabby but the team plays better in front of Al.
"I can't really hear what Jeremy (Roenick) says, because I've got my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears." - Patrick Roy
Please, get real
Okposo isn’t at the same bad level as Bailey. Lets lay off the panic button juuuuuusssttt a little.
by NewIsles on Nov 4, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not sure what you read...but I sure am curious
What about my comment made you think I was layin on the panic button? Capuano has said he’s switchn it up, and I think Okposo is one of the guys that will be looked at. I guess you think 3 assists in 10 games warrants top 6 minutes…well I dont… and alot of people will agree with me. Okposo is a talented player, but right now he’s not producing and I think we should give Nino a look. The reality is teams sit players all the time for this reason, its called coaching, so please…get real.
"I can't really hear what Jeremy (Roenick) says, because I've got my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears." - Patrick Roy
what options do they have?
OK, so Okposo has three points… for a team that’s been shut out three out of ten games. Tavares’ 7 goals are as many as the next three players combined. NOBODY’S producing except Tavares. (Parentau and Streit each have 7 assists primarily because Tavares is the guy they’re passing to.) So heck, why not KO on the top line? Or more specifically, why not KO, who’s got 200+ NHL games and is established, instead of Nino, who’s all of 19 years old and still learning the pro game?
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What has Kyle done?
Sure, he’s got 200+ gp…but his first 2 seasons were on a club that had little choice but to play him. Who did we have then that Okposo had to beat for a top 6 spot? Not much. I like Kyles game and he’s a talented player, but he’s no longer benefiting from substantial pp time and I think that will show this year. I have no objection to moving guys around (KO to PA’s spot), but things arent clicking the way they are now and I’d rather make a change now then wait to hit a 10 game skid. Nino should not be given anything more than a chance to prove himself. There is no doubt in my mind that the Islanders will break out of their scoring funk and put sum w’s together, but it needs to happen now.
"I can't really hear what Jeremy (Roenick) says, because I've got my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears." - Patrick Roy
What has Kyle done? Lets see.
Not getting good quality shots
Not cashing in on opportunities
Not crashing the net enough
Not hitting at all
Passing ranging from occasionally very good to absolutely horrifying
Sigh. Im not happy with Kyle at all.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 5, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow
You ARE down on KO. Never sen you like this!
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Not that you shouldn't be BTW
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I hate to feel this way, but I do.
I am admittedly Krazy for Kyle ™©
-but his season so far is absolutely unacceptable.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
You know Kyle’s not playing well when Metal Chick is pissed off at him!!
Seriously lol- someone tell this kid if he is losing ME, he is in trouble lol.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 5, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
IMHO
It seems like Rolston is a locker room virus. I think all he cares about is getting his paycheck, not giving a flying f**k about how he performs on the ice. If anything, I think we should waive him, if someone claims him, oh well, we have plenty of players in the minors who can probably do as good of a job he is doing, or even better. If he clears waivers then he can be a “veteran” presence in Bridgeport.
In Cappy’s interview after the game yesterday he mentioned the possibility of going with 5 defensemen and 13 forwards, if thats the case then sit out Eaton and have Gillies play his 3 minutes a game and get in the face of anyone who tries to go after anyone. Once Nino gets his skates back under him, have him play with JT and MM, put Paranteau on the 2nd line with Grabs and Frans, put KO on the 3rd line with Bailey and Matt Martin, and have a 4th line of Reasoner, Comeau, and a 3rd forward to change depending on the situation.
I have to agree with what Chris wrote, this isn’t an issue with “line chemistry” but actual chemistry on the team. The old guys aren’t doing it for this young team and they have to go
screw homework, its all about islanders hockey
Thecnically he could be sent to the Bridge and stil count on the cap
but once Nino returns, Id be cool with banishing him to the pressbox. Send Mottau down instead if we need to make room for someone.
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by Chris McNally on Nov 4, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Rolston is on a 35+ contract, but Redden is not.
So I’m not sure if Rolston could get “Redden-ed” the same way.
Almost correct.
Everything but $100,000 will still be a cap hit if he’s waived and cleared to play in Bridgeport. To be honest, I doubt anyone picks him up at his salary rate. Last year he cleared entry twice. Once even was a re-entry clear, where a new team would’ve been only be responsible for a half of his salary.
Rolston had 35pts in 64 games last year - better than .5/gm pace. Not bad. I don't know if he was playing
with Elias though. That would help a lot and make those numbers a lot less impressive.
I think they are missing.............
a hard tough edge. On Saturday we will meet a big tough and talented team. We can’t grow overnight, but the team ought to play more physically and maybe the breaks will come. More play like the third period yesterday will lead to a sure loss. Lets not afraid to take a “good” penealty If we lose lets at least put up a fight.
Agreed
And it is throughout the NHL. Its like every team is playing a game saying “If you don’t hit me, I won’t hit you.”
There seems to be so little physical play these days throughout the league.
When the Isles became “bizzaro Isles” last year, with physical play, they rolled.
Give Haley a shot.
fact is
our Defense is too slow – this affects the Offense
our Offense is apparently overrated – why are FNGO performing so poorly? do we live & die with JT – if he scores, we can win – if not, we lose? that’s not ideal – we need 4 functioning lines – only the 4th line is doing the job
Bailey & Comeau on 0 points is not acceptable
the coach may be an issue here, of course – we are playing like a team without a clue
and our Goaltending should be Nabokov 1, Montoya 2, DP 3 going forward
many problems, few answers – but they should call up Dibo-Cizikas-Wallace as a line, even if only to make a statement
Bailey & Comeau should be released – zero tolerance Friday
released?
not scratched or traded? that sounds like zero brains Friday.
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by Chris McNally on Nov 4, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
they are a waste of space
no one wants them or they would have been traded already – send them down and call up bodies with a pulse
we should have traded Bailey For Komisarek while we had the chance
instead we have Bailey & Rolston
That's good. Release Bailey and Comeau, get nothing for them, and watch them flourish with other teams.
Comeau is understandable because he’s a UFA after this year, but Bailey is a 22 year kid. Milbury gets shit for getting rid of kids, and now you want to do it again. I agree with Chris- trying to be tough by releasing players is stupid and will hurt us in the long run.
released? really???
you realize that if we release them we will get NOTHING in return for them. I still have hope for Bailey, i think that if we just give him the chance to play on the 1st line he will excel. Everyone remembers the scoring tear he had when Tavares got hurt, we gave him the challenge and he stepped up. a possibility then could be to have bailey play a wing, we have more than enough centers on our depth chart that having him play with a better center can help him out…call me crazy but try this for one or 2 games
Moulson-JT-Bailey or Grabs-Frans-Bailey
screw homework, its all about islanders hockey
keep hope alive
you are apparently from a town called hope
how’s that hope-y change-y thing working out?
i will keep hope alive
i dont know about you but i never got a chance to see the isles do anything except lose. there were maybe 2 winning season that i can truly remember growing up, 01-02 and 02-03. This is the best team I REMEMBER lacing up the skates in a long time. while other people might believe that bailey and Comeau will never amount to anything in the NHL, i still have some hope for them. I still believe that Bailey is part of TEH CORE, he just needs to see that both the team and fans believe in him and he will start to tear it up. For all i know i might be one of the few people both here and in the real world that likes Bailey as a player, and i hope that he proves all the naysayers wrong
screw homework, its all about islanders hockey
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by JPinVA on Nov 4, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Amen.
To bad so many here are talking out their arses! People haven’t just hit the panic button they have hammered it and also hit the eject button. We are young, real young. I get the no excuses, but there’s still lots of talent in the pipeline even if much of it is 2 years away. Chill just a little.
Geez, and I caught shit for
saying that Cap would be fired this season. Way to stir it up Cary!! Anyone want to see Haley saturday night? The game is coming where they get embarassed phsically and he’s up for the year. Why are they waiting?
What’ ailing this current Islander team?
My thoughts, feel free to chime in and tell me off or agree, here goes:
Last couple of years the Oilers SUCKED as much as we did a couple of years ago. This led them to picking 1st overall for the past two years.
Last year the Avalanche SUCKED as much as we did a couple of years ago. This lead them to pick 2nd overall and in the top five in the draft. Just like us.
Last decade the Panthers have SUCKED as much as we did a couple of years ago.
Fell free to add a few other teams that were worse off than the islanders were 2 years ago.
So were are these three team now? How are they doing?
Well, the Avalanche are playing hard, every night and getting results.
The Oilers are playing hard every night and just beat the Red Wings for the first time in a while.
The Panther’s who were projected to be one of the NHL’s worst, guess what they outworked the Islanders in their last two meetings. They beat us to every puck, won just about every battle on the boards and fore checked the crap out of us in two games. In all they beat us like a rented mule!
So I look at this current Islander team and what is lacking? Talent? NO! We have had the benefit of picking in the top five in what seems the past ten years. What is lacking is the fight back, effort, fore-check, battling for loose pucks, crashing the net. To put it simply EFFORT!
The Oilers, Panthers and Avalanche give a total team effort just about every night, and it shows in their record as compared to ours.
So how to fix what is lacking, EFFORT? Get veteran players that will motivate the youngsters? Re-structure the line combinations? Bench non-performers? Bring up guys from Bridgeport? The truth of the matter is that I don’t have that answer. What I do know is this: as a coach I am REQUIRING my players to give a total effort every night! Win or loose I am still going to require this total effort the Oilers, Panthers and Avalanche coaches seem to be getting this from their squads. So what gives with the current Islanders?
Why can’t we get this total team effort at least 90% of the time? Who is there to stop guys from being passengers and become drivers?
What I know about this team is this: Talent, yeah we got that right now. Effort no way we have that right now! HOW DO WE FIX THIS EFFORT PROBLEM?
We are all Islanders, even if we’re from Jersey!
Yes, Cappy hould shoulder this blame!
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by Russel Ginart on Nov 4, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree with you
there is a lack of hustle/grit/effort with this team. I remember that when i played lacrosse in high school, before every game my coach would say, “if by the time you come off the field for any reason you don’t feel like you have to throw up, you’re not giving it your all.” i think that’s part of the issue, they just aren’t giving it their all. we know that they can play at this level seeing as they are in the NHL, they just need to go back to basics. Condition the living shit out of them until they want to pass out, then condition them some more. At every practice have full speed, full contact scrimmages. Also, i think having Matt Martin play on one of the top 2 lines should happen, the kid gives it his all every shift of every game, he hits, shoots, plays physical, gets to the dirty areas and can put up points
screw homework, its all about islanders hockey
yeah, great idea
reward a guy with ZERO points after 10 games with a first line slot
and a natural center to boot
great idea
Key Point!
This is really the tough call. I agree Bailey shouldn’t be rewarded with first line minutes (and playing with JT), as much as I don’t think PA deserves a demotion (he IS one of the guys that always shows effort), but I think this is the way to kickstart Bailey. If all he wants to do is pass, better it be to JT and MMo.
All of these posts about bringing up DiBo or Haley or whomever from the Bridge are nice, but they’re not realistic. We don’t have the room on the roster without exposing someone, so it’s not going to happen. The next step is juggling the lines, plain and simple, and Cappy needs to figure that out very carefully, and very quickly.
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by Bryville19 on Nov 4, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This. Perfect.
Moving Bailey to JT’s line is not a reward; it’s for the best of the team. If we want to get him going, there’s no better way than to put him on JT’s line, because JT now has developed a track record for getting the absolute best out of his line mates.
I would tend to agree with you: condition theshit out of them, however......
That can lead a coach to loose his team and his job. Consider Terry Simpson, succesor to the HC job after Al Arbour retired the first time. He ran into the same poblem, his team was not giving quality efforts. The team claimed being fatiguged in games, after the morning skates. Terry Simpson did not tolerate this. In fact after another lack luster performance Terry fired back in the post game interviewwith this gem: “I ran the team throgh a two a day practice today and built in their excuse for being tired during tonights game.” Witin the next few days he got sacked. Anyone remember this?
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by Russel Ginart on Nov 4, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah
Remember that dark time well.
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you can only recover from intense workouts so fast. Too much conditioning can be overtraining and lead to more muscle
breakdown than growth and just make someone weaker. You need a conditioning coach who knows what he’s doing so that they can manage the workout frequency for the best results.
mix trimethyl fluoro sulfuric anhydride and sodium nitride: NOW that's chemistry
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at the risk of seeming not smartish
I googled a plant explosion and they said the explosion happened when they mixed trimethyl fluoro sulfuric anhydride and sodium nitride with water. I figured that combination was bad, so it was worth a mention
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by Chris McNally on Nov 4, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Bottom line
The bottom line is that Comeau, Rolston, Bailey (and probably more – I am multi-tasking) have as many goals (and points, I think) as my dog does. And she’s four. And a girl. And with no opposable thumbs Dixiepup can’t even hold a stick. (Poor girl.)
This needs to be “last tryout weekend” – give the guys two more games to start getting out of this or moves have to be made, whether releases, trades, waivers, exiles, banishment or such hideous punishment as having to watch a Rangers game while wearing those glow-in-the-dark-ugly Flyers jerseys.
or such hideous punishment as having to watch a Rangers game while wearing those glow-in-the-dark-ugly Flyers jerseys
thats just inhumane marty
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by Chris McNally on Nov 4, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I have four kids
So I have had to think of creative punishments :-)
The 4th line is outshooting and outscoring the 3rd line. The 3rd line is a complete disaster. Rolston should really be 4th line or ahled, because we can't give up on Bailey or Comeau yet.
Split them up maybe, but no way that 3rd line does any good as is. All 3 have been crap so far, and Rolston is on his last leg.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Missing in the locker room
We’re missing the fire in the locker room. We discussed it, and management didn’t hear our cries. Think you can put a value of Zenon now? Sure, he’s a grunt, not the typical hockey skills, but it seemed the players in the locker room reacted to or with him. He taught them a sense of pride and we’re missing that now. How’s Ottawa doing now? Yep, they’ve improved, and I believe Konopka is a big part of that.
yup - Zenon Konopka
The same guy who leads the league in fighting majors and penalty minutes again, and is getting fewer than seven minutes a game… he’s the reason Ottawa improved. It had nothing to do with their 28.9% power play, or Spezza and Michalek and Karlsson all averaging a point per game. Nope.
Was anyone talking about fire in the locker room when the team was 3-1?
Folks, chemistry is the by-product of success, not the other way around. If they come out with a big game against Washington and have a good road trip following, we’ll find that the locker room is suddenly a much happier place.
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by mikb on Nov 4, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Oh yeah - I remember. And the constant calls for a manager who'll yell at the players. Keith and Ronnie beating that
tired old drum too. They got Collins a know tough guy manager and went 77-85.
That's not entirely true at all!
Yes, winning can cure ills, but character and intangibles do help…especially with young teams.
Supposedly Garth has an eye for drafting "character" guys.....
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
oddly, I don't disagree with that
I don’t think chemistry is non-existent or that it doesn’t count. I’m saying that a lack of heart or intangibles is going to show up in the effort the team puts out, not necessarily the results. The team’s effort has been fine, pucks aren’t going in, but they’re in every single one of these games – even without scoring much they’re competing hard. If they were disheartened it hasn’t shown in the way they play.
What happens is that you can’t control luck, and you can’t (entirely) control the other team, especially as you move up to the highest level. But you can always try, hustle, and care. And nobody likes to say that a losing streak is beyond one’s ability to correct… even though in large part, it is. So athletes and media and fans all say “They just wanted it more” and other comforting BS.
I don’t know, maybe being a goalie (and thus hopelessly weird) changes my perspective on this. From experience I know that I can’t win without help, the result of the game relies on many things I can’t influence directly – I can’t score a hat trick – the most direct affect I can possibly have is negative, by getting scored on – and even there, it’s not always a goalie’s fault. I can never win the game, only lose it. So I do my best not to lose it. I stop everything I can, I own up to what I can’t, and I avoid being a prick to my guys if they screw up, because they’re killing themselves out there for me while I just shuffle around in place and get credit for being in the way more often than not.
That’s why I tend to pooh-pooh the “better chemistry” argument. Better scoring is preferable. When the results start to improve we’ll see the chemistry improve, because the guys will be seeing a tangible reward for all their efforts.
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How do you define effort in reference to lack of execution?
Does their poor net presence, poor breakout, and poor forecheck point to a lack of effort or just, “Guys, you’re doing it wrong!”
"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)
I've always looked at "effort" as
willingness to get hit to make a play, willingness to skate at top speed despite being at the end of a shift, and basically, willing to take some pain. (Blocking a shot, skating at instead of reaching for a puck etc.) The hard part is always that these things aren’t noticed when things are going well.
What you have is a bit of revisionism…no goals are going in, so they must not be doing these things…otherwise they’d be scoring so, they must not care. When they are scoring, very few people are going to say “that’s because he skated hard at the end of a shift” etc. They are going to say, “nice goal”.
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by Keith Quinn on Nov 5, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Um
Believe me, I’m not trying to rain on the negativity parade — but remember when Konopka was on the team last season and they were winless in 20 games? Oops.
=d
by AP77 on Nov 4, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
selective memory syndrome
It’s like forgetting that Bailey is 22… or that Comeau scored 24 goals last year in the other 60 games…. or Ricky has played 41 games in 4 years.
Sometimes we only see what happened yesterday… and whatever supports our argument.
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by JPinVA on Nov 4, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I look forward to when Bailey is 32
and still sucks
by Cary K on Nov 4, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I admit it
This made me laugh.
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Me too. And it's in a Caryku-esque way because the pause you get from the 1st line to the 2nd.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
What an incredibly...
positive attitude you have. I guess living in the insurance capital of the world can do that to a person.
Will you have found the CAPS key by then?
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release the caps key
shift key too
consider Komisarek
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by Dominik on Nov 4, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
that was beautiful
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by Chris McNally on Nov 4, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Random food for thought: Daigle scored 20 or more goals three times.
=d
by AP77 on Nov 4, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Randomizer
Doug Shedden scored 30+ goals … twice! And Warren Young had 40!
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Not negative
Just stating the fact that I don’t see anyone sticking up for themselves. Zenon brought some moxie to the team last year and preached the hard nosed edge of the game. He declared the Islanders will not be a door mat anymore. That said, I still see some promise and potential, but we have to pull out some wins – like the Penguins last loss. We had them, but we let up for a minute and they stole it away. Where’s the attitude we had last year at the end of the season?
I don't think we'd be better off with Zenon. We had a long losing streak last year with him. I liked him because he was a loyal
and proud Islander but I don’t think his personality has the inspirational effect that you describe.
Nicely done Chris
This post kinda sounds like the voices in my head.
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They are pros - should have pride anyway
They need a leader to take charge and say “no more” to losing and half-hearted efforts. Does anyone there fit the bill? If they don’t have pride they shouldn’t be collecting a paycheck. (That goes for any walk of life.)
are you talking...
about the voices in my head. If they are collecting paychecks and not telling me somebody is gonna get an asskicking.
hmmm.
how do I do that…
I know….

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@JPinVA
I prolly shoulda...
made that pic smaller… because now I have to leave the office.
too bad these days are gone…

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@JPinVA
wow
Someone drank that bourbon fast!
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by mikb on Nov 4, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Must have been Grabner
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
by OzzyFan on Nov 4, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, Why don't they have any pride? Thats what I always think when I watch them : NO PRIDE.
If they had pride they’d be burying all those chances. They’re not shooting with pride. They’re not skating with pride. They’re not hitting, passing, climbing over the boards etc with pride.
by TMS on Nov 4, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks JP
I laid in bed for 3 hours last night with all of this running around my head. I think the Isles may have to start selling therapy packages instead of season ticket packages if there are others out there that hear the same voices
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by Chris McNally on Nov 4, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
that may not be a bad idea...
but if this continues they may have to try two-fers to sell any tickets.
If you buy a ticket for the Tuesday night game against the blue jackets, we’ll give the seat next to yours to…

sorry… just trying to make this post apocalyptic day a little more interesting.
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you see?
Orange uniforms CAN be nice to look at!
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Damn
"I can't really hear what Jeremy (Roenick) says, because I've got my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears." - Patrick Roy
BLOND!!!!!!!!!!
Man I wonder if the curtains match the drapes?
We are all Islanders, even if we’re from Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Nov 4, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't like drapes.
You only figure 8 once.
by The Black Map on Nov 4, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Or curtains, whatever
You only figure 8 once.
by The Black Map on Nov 4, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
No garnishes needed, is what I'm trying to say.
You only figure 8 once.
by The Black Map on Nov 4, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn’t carpet the concern here?
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by Dominik on Nov 4, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yep, Black Map just prefers his women bald and Russel likes women with layered hair or extensions I think.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
by OzzyFan on Nov 4, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
DAMB you OZZY, you figured me out!
We are all Islanders, even if we’re from Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Nov 4, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You mean the blue carpet or the ......Oh I better stop right here, I fear the Metal Chick ready to crush me in the corner!
We are all Islanders, even if we’re from Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Nov 4, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL!
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 4, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
She looks like a big halloween fan
and I think is older then that picture shows because those are our old home jerseys in that picture no? (insert that’s what you see in the picture funny quip here)
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Man I didn't even notice the jerseys
We are all Islanders, even if we’re from Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Nov 4, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
As far as anchors go...
…Roloston’s anchoring the salary cap floor.
He hasn’t done anything at all for the Isles thus far. At least Pandolfo kills penalites. Staios as been a pleasant surprise… for an old guy.
I think it’s time to shuffle up the second and third lines for awhile. Split Grabner and Nielsen up and see if something clicks. If things do not improve, bring up Nino, and consider bringing up Strome.
here's my idea
Pick the lines out of a hat. Tricks like that usually work for maybe one game. Then they can try to resort stuff out. It’s worth a shot.
Where’s that double bourbon I ordered???
\~/ \~/
Let me know when you need the scotch and beer.
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hahaha nice
Is it about time for Crown Royal to sponsor us again, Dom?
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KY should get on board
bc Im tired of this team giving it to me raw dog
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by Chris McNally on Nov 4, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I agree Chris
"" The Islanders seem to be falling into the same pattern as last year — fast start that has everyone buzzing, followed by painfully long losing streak where they can’t seem to buy a goal, ultimately knocking them out of playoff contention before the new year. Granted, it’s a little early to start panicking and way too early to be thinking the Isles can’t make the playoffs, but you can’t deny the similarities between this year and last.""
I posted in the game thread on October 21 ( the first pittsburgh game) about the similarities to last year and got nothing but grief…followed up by an additional comment in the +/- follow up thread…
Thanks
The way this is going the Captain of the next Cup contending Islanders team is still in grade school......RESULTS DO MATTER..
you are a visionary
a man with brilliant thoughts before their time. I’m just glad someone agrees with me.
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by Chris McNally on Nov 4, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
To be honest, Garth passed on a couple of those during pre-season waiver time. SOB, I wonder if we missed a golden opportunity.
Hell, couldn’t have been worse offensively then Rolson right now, Pandolfo too(defense is his survival), even Comeau and Bailey(Okposo w/honorary mention). I really wish Garth took a friggen chance on at least 1 ahl guy, he’s been taking chances on it seems 2 or 3 ahl forwards every year until now, when he went full old guys with no future. What a stupid stupid mistake. Why the change? I don’t understand it at all. Rolston could have been ahled with no problems to our cap and pandolfo really wasn’t necessary. Staios even I think is only looking this good because he’s next to Streit, I think Eaton or maybe Jurcina would look just as good as he is in the same spot.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
The ahl forward chances:
09-Schremp/Moulson
10-Grabner/PAP
11-2 old guys
He’s even had solid success with this, why the hell would he change the system?
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Schremp and Grabner were season-opening waiver claims!
Let’s compare apples to apples here.
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I know, but still, the other 2 were "more" roster fill-ins that turned into something good.
We had 3(scratch forward) roster spots open to start the season, you’d think Garth would want to try at least 1 waiver guy that lit up the ahl well in pts/goals or was a high round pick with little NHL exposure. No? It’s just weird, Garth seemed to either want Pandolfo to fill out the roster either way as a scratch or 4th liner and he had a lot of faith in old Rolston apparently as a usable 3rd liner. It just seems to me garth made a big mistake there. No harm no foul in giving a waiver pickup guy a 9-10gm tryout in favor of an old guy (Rolston/Pandolfo).
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
The only guy out there on waivers was Frolik
Who I wouldn’t have minded him claiming.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Frolik was definitely interesting, as a couple others.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
You're overlooking some things
He “took a chance” on Wallace, McNeely, Frischmon, etc. They have signed guys like that every year. Sometimes they become Moulsons, sometimes not. They ran all the forwards through training camp. Pandolfo wasn’t signed until the very end of camp. Staios also had to go through tryouts. Colliton was injured, as was Katic.
I’m pretty sure they wanted to give a chance to the vet AHLers and the blueline prospects on D, and I’d bet Capuano had something to say about who he wanted to open the season.
The cavalry is not in the AHL. There may be a spark or two there. I sure hope there are some future key cogs there. But the vets brought in this offseason were stopgaps, insurance in case the other AHL saviors didn’t win a job. Remember: Jon Sim made the team out of camp last year. I don’t think this year’s opening roster is a departure from the pattern.
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Wallace(27) not really as a 40pts ahl guy, McNeely kind of but that's stretching because his size and lack of professional(ahl too) experience, and Frischmon(30) is a 40pts ahl player too.
I see Wallace and Frischmon as ahl-depth/sim-hilbert signings, not a real threat to make the team unless major injuries make way and McNeely is quite small, smaller then Tambellini small, so his chances were/are really low and he’s an ahl tryout.
PAP=lit up the AHL and showed some skill in his Rags tryout the year before as a playmaker/PP-guy
Schremp=similar to PAP
Grabs=30goal scorer in the ahl with great speed that never got a real NHL shot
Moulson=30goal scorer in the ahl that never really got an nhl shot
How hard would it have been for garth to overlook the waiver wire for guys similar and pick one to give a 9gm tryout or even longer given our 4th lines stats without pandolfo? I mean, it’s not that risky and could have great payoff. 1st round talent, young guy that scored a lot of goals in the ahl, or maybe just something we don’t have plenty in our lineup(say a guy with size and some 2-way or net crashing abilties).
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
We even came across a guy or a couple that we would have liked to see. One was that resXXXXX guy.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Gotta identify who these players are to say they should have grabbed them
I mean, it’s great to pull down Moulson and PAP. It’s great to get Grabner off waivers. It’s also great to sign Streit. They don’t seem to be available every summer, or you have to shoot the shotgun to get lucky and have one work out. As mentioned above, I’d have taken Frolik.
Other than that…who? I don’t see who Pandolfo is blocking from achieving greatness. I see a third line that hasn’t scored one bit, a second line that has underperformed, and a fourth line (with Pandolfo) that has done exactly what was asked.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Find me the waiver wire list of Late September and Early Novemeber and I'll gladly point out the couple guys I noted worthy of being picked up.
If you want me to show you.
What I meant was Pandolfo is “blocking a waiver tryout”. Honestly, he isn’t even doing that yet because of Nino’s injury, but he “could” have. Heck, we even held Grabs from duty during Nino’s tryout. All I’m saying is, it was worth a risk to pick up 1 or 2 guys and give them a 4th line tryout. Why garth didn’t do it this year is a little beyond me.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Yablonski!
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We are missing that Jason Wiemer type balls to the wall forward.
Dibo and Haley are in that mold. We definitely need a guy like that who is NOT AFRAID to go to the net. Guys like Rolston and Comeau almost always go to the boards or in Comeau’s case all the way around the net and back to the blue line.
The New York Islanders....they make opposing goalies look gooooood.
Any Guess at the Lines for Washington
Well, everyone here and Cap have been speaking of a shake-up. I would really like to see Dibo or even Haley brought up but at the expense of who. So the question is how far does the shake-up go.
Here is my Guess.
1st: Moulson Tavares PA
2nd: Grabner Nielsen Okposo
3rd: Comeau Reasoner Dibo
4th: Martin Bailey Pandolfo (I would like Haley here, but don’t think it will happen)
I would like to slide Okposo to the 3rd line but don’t know who to replace him with, since I think Cap will keep the 1st line.
Although I thought someone made sense about dropping Moulson to the 2nd Line, I just do not think anyone has earned the right for a try on the 3rd line.
I hope dropping Bailey to Martin and Pandolfo can help.
Similarly I hope Reasoner can help Comeau and Dibo has been good in the AHL and his spirit should help a little with the big club.
Dibo up means Rolston has to get waived and assigned to the AHL.
I can't see them cutting anyone yet
Especially with Nino at worst 10 days away, they’ll be adding new blood to the lineup without having to cut anyone. As much as I’d love to see Rolston walking away holding his suitcase with one sleeve of his shirt hanging out the side, I doubt it’ll happen for a while.
As for the lines, the way Cappy mentioned that he kept combinations together that worked last year but haven’t been successful this year, I have to take that as a shot towards line 2, so see a shakeup there. He also mentioned that we gave guys the minutes they wanted I have to see as a dig at either Rolston or Bailey. So I’d expect to see one of them slip to the 4th line.
I doubt it will be a huge shakeup, but I would expect something like this:
Moulson-Tavares-Parenteau
Comeau-Nielsen-Grabner
Okposo-Reasoner-Rolston
Martin-Bailey-Pandolfo
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by Chris McNally on Nov 4, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Martin Moving Up
You are probably right Chris.
Do you think he may drop rolston the the 4th and move up Martin.
I pondered that
bc he definitely deserves it. The only thing that made me decide against it is putting Rolston and Pandolfo on the same line whose main objective would be to play a defensive role. Both are slow and not very physical. And then with a not so physical Bailey in between them, it would be a really weak defensive line. Its not fair to Martin, but it seemed to make more sense keeping him on Bailey’s wing on the 4th line.
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shoot
this was a reply to Lurker’s comment
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by Chris McNally on Nov 4, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Haley and Gillies
alot of talk about Konopka, who did a great job with team, but did not have the effect the other two had or could cause to the other teams the isles played against like those two did. Right now, I think the energy and fearlessness of either of these two will help create a spark or at least let the team feel that there is someone there to take care of business, Martin is good solid young player and can take care of his own business, but I would rather see Haley or Gillies up here to make JST feel a little safer. Besides the team was winning last year with Haley, Gillies, Martin and Konoka in the lineup, no? I could be wrong there, but Reasoner, Pandolfo, Mottau and Rolston better start getting a little more crazy when it comes to there on ice tactics or they are doomed.
well what about the Defense?...
with all of this line talk and bringing up/moving guys around, etc. the REAL problem with this team is DEFENSE. you cannot tell me that these D pairings are gonna help us get to the playoffs. that’s definitely not happening. if there should ever be a number one concern, it should be bringing in actual, reliable defensemen who can play a solid game night in and night out. mottau, eaton, and staios may be veterans, but they get exposed too easily and make too many mistakes. staios i will give the benefit of the doubt since he’s playing top pair minutes that he no longer should be playing. he’s a 3rd pair at best, but how can you stick him there when your other defensemen are worse than staios? this is why i’m casting my vote for komisarek. bring him and anyone else in who can help this team solidify a desperate blue line.
as for offense, i’m going to stand pat with my previous argument that these ex-devils (pandolfo & rolston) are lousy and got to go. i’m disappointed in reasoner because i really thought he was going to be some sort of breakthrough catalyst that’ll provide a spark in this team, but he has yet to impress me at all. i hope he gets his ass in gear.
bailey may be 22, but he’s gotta start shining somehow. i’m sick of this confidence bs. if you have a “confidence issue”, then you shouldn’t be playing professional hockey. plain and simple. the reason why almost every player in the league worked hard to get to where they are now is because of having the confidence to believe they can do so. josh bailey knows he has the talent to be a difference maker. all he needs to do and worry about is going out on the ice and giving it his all every night. not hard to grasp that concept.
i’m concerned about okposo. if there’s a guy on this team that needs to step up, it’s him.
"son of a bitch i'm sick of these dolphins"
- Steve Zissou
What wil Komisarek bring though?
Is the problem right now that we can’t push guys out of our goalies’ faces? Or is it that we are not showing enough speed to clear the zone and are having a ton of forecheck pressure against the D?
Bigger problem is, you are taking on Komisarek salary while buying high, and whoever you’re moving for him, you are selling low. This is bad trade leverage.
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I would say it's a mixture of both Keith...
most of the time our defensemen just look lost and fail to make smart plays. when you have defensemen like eaton and mottau who constantly fail to keep up with the opposition and can’t quite control their own zone, they become obsolete to the nhl level despite the “veteran presence” they provide to the up and coming youth (not that mottau provides much).
i understand komisarek’s salary is not ideal (4.5 mil/about 3 yrs left). probably the reason garth won’t pull the trigger for him. understandable. however, the isles still have the lowest team salary in the league by far. He becomes the 4th most important guy on the blue line, a positive over eaton, jurcina, staios, and mottau. bottom line, they need help on D. they can’t continue like this all year. they need consistency and if komisarek makes them better, then yes.
"son of a bitch i'm sick of these dolphins"
- Steve Zissou
Well I guess that's the debate point
a lot of Toronto people feel he is done and that they should sell high while they can. I think an argument can be made that Komi is actually slower than everybody (except maybe Eaton) on that list there. You don’t need as much speed if you’re smarter, but it is a helluva risk.
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by Keith Quinn on Nov 5, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

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