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Taking Stock: Islanders Risers and Fallers through 10 Games

Ten games is too early for report cards but not too early for general temperature checks. With the Islanders at 3-5-1 and struggling for goals -- last night's shutout dropped them to the bottom of the league at 1.8 GF/GP -- this is a quick look at who's tending upward and who's trending downward since before the preseason.

Some are obvious, some not so much, some probably sound crazy. As always, offer your own in comments.

Star-divide

Fallers

Michael Grabner -- Slow starts and streaky scoring is an expected part of the package with Grabner. Even with the new contract, that's tolerable. Importantly, he's continued to force turnovers and be a wonder on the PK. But the team needs more than a 24-goal pace from its 34-goal scorer.

Andrew MacDonald -- This is unfair for a player coming off hip surgery and requiring frequent rest days. But MacDonald and his partner have not been quite what they were last year. More mistakes, more average nights so far.

Travis Hamonic -- Last night was a rough game and fresh on the mind. A-Mac's recovery could be slowing him down by proxy, too. Probably not a "sophomore slump." Regardless, the top pair hasn't been what it was last season -- but that's more a reflection of high expectations coming into the season. They need to be a great pair for this season to work.

Those first three are "fallers" by virtue of high expectations for them. Now...

Kyle Okposo -- Has not been himself, not the Okposo Islanders fans fell in love with -- the Tazmanian devil who inserts himself into every boards battle, and gets shots off from dangerous areas. He has 20 shots on goal, but too few have been threatening. His is an example of being both a consequence and a cause of the Islanders' offensive slump.

Josh Bailey -- Paradoxically, his line with Blake Comeau has finally shown signs of improvement just as the Islanders winless streak has extended to five and now six. But zero points is zero points. Some defensive roles in the season's opening games doesn't excuse at times lost and maddening play. Line changes may be coming Saturday against the Capitals. Change or not, we'll see which way he's headed after 10 more games.

Blake Comeau -- Equally lost as his linemate in the early going, he's likewise started to turn things around. But that's qualified praise for a 24-goal scorer who has zero points through 10 games, isn't it?

Brian Rolston -- Brought in to be an upgrade over injury-challenged Trent Hunter, he may be that but not by much. (Hunter has appeared in five games for the Kings.) Hasn't been a difference-maker on the powerplay, and deserves at least equal parts blame in the struggles of the third line.

Kevin Poulin -- A rough start in Bridgeport so far for the promising goalkeeper. This is a small sample deal that's likely to change. But most probably figured him to be top of the pecking order there.

 

Risers

John Tavares -- His team has scored only 17 goals and he has seven of them. A point-per-game player and 50% on the faceoff dot, Tavares has answered every offseason question so far. I'm one of the more guarded Islanders fans when it comes to expectations for Tavares: Is he very good? Yes. Will he be truly special? I don't know. But the difference in his skating this year is stunning, and Tavares's most admirable strength -- his desire to keep improving -- has served him well. Even if he never becomes a true power vs. power top center, he is unquestionably a game changer who can strike at any moment. Meanwhile, Matt Duchene has been moved to wing in Colorado.

Evgeni Nabokov -- No goalie has had enough reps to prove much of anything, but Nabby's starts have all been strong, and he's done a lot to soothe wounds from last season. He's part of a surprisingly functional goaltending trio right now, and he even got hurt at the right time to give DiPietro his first reps.

Rick DiPietro -- Again, no goalie has had enough reps to prove a thing, and DiPietro has had the fewest reps of all. But he's done fine in both starts (don't tell Puck Daddy) and looked healthier than he's been in years. That said, the movement still bears watching, and seeing him handle the puck is like watching my six-year-old nephew drive the mini-Jeep go-kart around the yard: Well yeah, he's having fun -- but also taking crazy risks for the sake of the journey.

Marty Reasoner -- He has been as advertised, but I think more skeptical Islanders fans are seeing the value he brings. He has stabilized the center depth and the fourth line.

Matt Martin -- In an overzealous hitting role last year, this season he's picked his spots wisely and, just as importantly, he's avoided dangerous hits and provided sound work on the 4th line's wing.

Steve Staios and Jay Pandolfo -- If Grabner, MacDonald and Hamonic are a victim of high expectation, these two are beneficiaries of low ones, coming in on training camp tryouts. Not exactly "risers," but holding up their end of the veterans' bargain when I wasn't sure either would even make it this far. Their presence may be a sign of the depth challenges that still ail the Islanders, but their play has not been the source of the team's problems through 10 games. With the Islanders on a losing streak, if these two can help in the nebulous "veteran leadership" category, that'd be great.

 

Bonus Risers

Casey Cizikas, Justin DiBenedetto, Tim Wallace -- The refreshingly productive top line at Bridgeport is off to a nice start and probably contains the Islanders' first AHL call-up of the season. When that happens is Fortune's guess.

 

Additions? Rebuttals? OT comments about Project Runway? Have at it.

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I, too, am enjoying Martin's development.

He is becoming a dependable, sound 4th liner that the team is not afraid to send out onto the ice. I’d like to think it is because of Reasoner and Pandolfo showing him the way.
Also, it is indispensable in regards to giving your top lines an extra breather.

by Bepfront on Nov 4, 2011 10:43 AM EDT reply actions  

I would think playing with Pandolfo and Reasoner has to help him

They’re long-term guys who have years focusing on the D-side of the game, as opposed to the “stir everything up and make a ruckus” side, which he’s already got in spades.

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by Dominik on Nov 4, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dipietro...

… is rising like a pair of boxer shorts that sticks out above the waistline of your pants. If you have a big shirt (forwards coming back to clear rebounds) you really don’t see it… but you know eventually there will be a kid behind you on line at the supermarket that can’t stop laughing.
He has risen to his level of mediocrity. He jams up play behind the net. Can somebody explain to me why he was up around the hashmarks with a defenseman back to pick up the puck. Isn’t this teh exact play where Macdonald told him to get out of the way last year… RICKY NEVER LEARNS… he wants to be THE SOLUTION but all he does is add to the problem.
He has been giving up rebounds, and though it hasn’t manifested itself to this point YET you know he’s going to give up one of those goals where it looks like he’s looking for a contact lens.
Am I picking on Ricky… maybe… but we have two goalies that can tow the line… I just want him to stand in line like everybody else…. two losses… and a ridiculous SO appearance…get to the back of the line.

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by JPinVA on Nov 4, 2011 10:46 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

lol

I can tell a JPinVA post after reading apx. 20 words….always enjoy them!

And yes, it’s Montoya’s turn for the next two games, which if they occur on a timeline such as our schedule has been going so far, the first is on Saturday, the next in March; Nabby gets the next two (in June and September).

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by CharlieIsles on Nov 4, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks Charlie...

I’m thinking of putting the BEST OF JPinVA in a book… available for Xmas. AP77 is working on the foreward. I can’t understand what’s taking him so long… there are only so many ways to say, “THIS BOOK SUCKS”

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by JPinVA on Nov 4, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I like to be wordy.

=d

by AP77 on Nov 4, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

This actually for Lafontaine...

Because he asked a question, but then asked us not to respond to his post…
As Al Davis used to say… JUST WIN, BABY!
And as I said in my post, this is not about Rick’s play… it’s about the absurdity that him being on the roster adds. You know as well as I do that he can’t play 55+ games as a starter… and he might be an adequate back-up, but that can’t even be counted on because the first awkward stretch, the first shot from Brian Rolston to the head in practice, or the first time he trips a player into the boards and gets pummeled by the opposing goaltender he’s gone for 3-6 weeks…
Luckily(?), we haven’t heard about his recent knee swelling, because with three goaltenders there’s enough coverage for it not to be an issue.
I give Rick all the credit in the world for working his way back, but he is visibly not 100%… not even 70% of waht he was… except when it comes to taking ridiculous risks for little to no rewards… there he’s 100% Ricky!

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by JPinVA on Nov 4, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some points are valid but.......

i seriously doubt the team and the locker room is up in arms because Rick Dipietro is on the roster and may not be a 50+ game starter. All of that commotion comes from complaining fans more than anything and the complaints are because he has been injured so often, not b/c he is a terrible goaltender. Proof of that comes from last nights game that the Isles got shutout and people are complaining about Rick’s play? Cmon now….
I agree he is not 100% of what he was, but he’s played 3 games. His lateral movement is slower, but 80% of Rick is better than a lot of goalies. This is the 1st season he came into heatlhy. He’s not going to jump right in and shock the world. Rick Dipietro is far from this teams problem right now.

by LaFontaine16 on Nov 4, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Really?
but 80% of Rick is better than a lot of goalies.

Are you counting goalies in the ECHL, or are you just dilusional. He has not been a competent NHL goalie for any part of the last four years. The reverse of your statement is that two games don’t prove he’s back.
Last year Montoya played 21 NHL games with a .928 sav% and 2.39 GAA as an ISLANDER.
Nabby was 2.43/.922 in his last full NHL season… and no reason that has regressed by his performance this year.
Last year Rick was 3.44/.886… and he hasn’t played 50 games since 2007-08 when he was 2.82/.902 (really not too bad given that team).
But really, who makes the worst case for being in the NHL when salary is removed from the equation?

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by JPinVA on Nov 4, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

But how has Ricky been any worse than the other two goaltenders THIS season?

Nabby can’t seem to stay healthy since DiPi had to spell him and Nabby was brutal last season in the KHL, so if he can bounce back, why can’t DiPi? Montoya is next up in the rotation so we should expect three straight wins and 4 plus goal support a game.

by Hockey1919 on Nov 4, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

This season...

…is only 10 games deep… and everybody’s close to equal… so instead of keeping the goalie go round, I’m saying let’s look backwards and try to derive who MIGHT be the best candidates for the 1 and 2 spot going forward.
I think that is clearly Montoya and Nabby…
Factor in that Nabby will most likely be the one most eligible as an EXPIRING ASSET to be an EX-ISLE before the trade deadline, so Rick will have his chance.
You have also factor in that if Montoya is successful we seriously need to move on extending a young successful NHL goalie.
Also factor in that one of the three goalies in the AHL will warrant a look at some point this year (3-5 games) or next (10-15).
And I’m going to call that whole “Nabokov was injured” bullshit just what it was… BULLSHIT. That was a call from the HOCKEY FOR DUMMIES HOTLINE saying, “put rick in for the shootout”.
That’s my answer and I’m sticking to it… the guy was laughing with Rick at the end of the bench, stretching for the shootout one second, and getting pulled the next. I just can’t buy that he was injured.

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by JPinVA on Nov 4, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you think he's sit out the next week if he wasn't injured?

I mean what, Nabby just wanted some time off, so he bailed in a shootout to get it?

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by Dominik on Nov 4, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it was Bullshit, then that's one curious move by the coach.

Nabokov is an expiring asset if they think Ricky can play, he could be re-signed, his trade value is around Roloson’s or they keep him to the end of the year and lose nothing. The minor league goaltenders have no need to come up this season at all, if next year it is going to be the Ricky and Al show.

So going backwards, I want the guy I have for 10 more years to show he can be my number 1, get the number 2 kid some ice time and see if he can be a back-up, and the KHL vet I keep on the shelf as insurance because he won’t be here next year and worse case he is worth what they got for Roloson in year one – nothing or best case what they got for Roloson in year two – a minor league prospect.

by Hockey1919 on Nov 4, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

looking backwards?.....

Im not sure i completely understand this comment. If we’re looking backwards, Nabakov couldnt hack it in the KHL and Montoya couldnt hack it in the AHL. After going through what the team went through last season with goaltenders and already having 2 of them get hurt in the 1st month of this season, i see no reason AT THIS POINT to change anything with the goalie rotation.

This dragged out convo is the reason i said dont respond to my comment. Rick Dipietro comments always ignite a fire, but the guy doesnt deserve half the crap written about him.

by LaFontaine16 on Nov 4, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Montoya

makes the worst case for being in the NHL (irrespective of salary) only because he has never been a proven #1 guy and the other two have. Maybe he hasn’t been given the right opportunity, but both DP and Nabakov have, in their careers, been “the guy” for more than part of one season.

BTW, I too always enjoy the twists and turns of sarcasm and emotional “fanism” which define your posts.

by randyboyd on Nov 4, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

since we all love to pick apart Ricky's games where he gives up 1 goal in the first 55 minutes of play......

can someone shed some light on what Al Montoya has done so brilliantly for him to garner all of his praise? Look closely at Montoya’s rebound control. He also has not been tested much in his tenure with the Isles. There must be more significant things to talk about other than Rick Dipietro’s performance on a night the Isles virtually lost a 1-0 game. Cant fault him on either goal.
Actually, please no one respond to this b/c i’m sick of goalie talk right now. Non-Issue. Just needed to vent

by LaFontaine16 on Nov 4, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not being Rick DiPietro

has been a really important aspect of his play.

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by Fabtraption on Nov 4, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is really the most important aspect. Nabokov also has this going for him.

Hunter said he was just finishing his check.

by Turgeon1992 on Nov 4, 2011 1:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

correct me if I'm wrong

But wasn’t Nabby injured in the game DP came in for the SO, and still day to day. I thought DP was god last night. If a team can’t score 2-3 goals a night in today’s NHL then they have bigger problems then goaltending. That said, he was lucky on the penalty shot cause he was definitely leaning glove side and Kane missed

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by themass on Nov 4, 2011 11:38 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

He definitely wasn't god,

but I’m assuming that was a typo, unless when a god plays hockey they’re required to turn of their control over local physics.

I thought we WAS good.

STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!

by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Nov 4, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

*he*

typos hehe

STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!

by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Nov 4, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope you meant "good"

I can’t blame DP for the loss. You’re right… but the bigger problem is the goalie-go-round. It just doesn’t work. Defensemen need a #1 to get used to… and then a second guy that plays every fourth or fifth game. I bet if they just let it flow for a few games with Montoya or Nabby they will start their breakouts better…
But that is still no excuse for losing six in a row.

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by JPinVA on Nov 4, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's a good point

The breakouts often start with the goalie. With three different goalies, the breakouts aren’t going to be quite the same. Perhaps that is part of the reason Cappy is giving each of the goalies consecutive starts— to try to create a familiarity with that aspect of the game.

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 4, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another under-examined aspect

With rebound control, you get faceoffs. With faceoffs, you get line matching/personnel changes. This is especially useful at home when you have last change, and in the second period where you have the long change.

If you get hemmed in and can’t make a change or if playing the puck leads to getting hemmed in and can’t get a stoppage, you’ll be in trouble. Especially during a long shift.

I can’t be sure DP has been any worse than the others this year, but on the eye test, I feel like Nabby slows the game down the most…and I know DP has had issues like this in the past.

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by Keith Quinn on Nov 4, 2011 2:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Better to get em in your own end

then at center ice after a song and a horn.

Amazing you would think that taking a whistle is worse than being skated into the ground. Everyone has possession responsibilities. I’ve asked my goaltenders to get a whistle in the past. It’s far better than icing or goals being scored against you. With the icing, you can’t change. With a goalie stoppage you can.

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by Keith Quinn on Nov 4, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

D couldn't give a crap who is in net as long as the guy stops the first shot

I’m sure Hamonic was thinking I’ll let Kane tool me because I think Montoya, no Nabby, maybe DiPi is going to stop him as MaCdonald and Comeau get in the frame to make it look like they are playing defense. You talk out there and maybe say an extra “Get the F outta the way”, but it is no different than being out there with a different defensive partner.

Montoya has a weak glove, Nabby plays the puck worse than Ricky, Ricky gets hurt alot. I bet I don’t see Capuano getting the blame for using the carousel. He’s the coach making the decisions on who gets the start, must be his fault then. Quite Simply it looks like Cappy is allowing each goaltender to get three or fours starts in a row. The next guy backs up a game or two and then the next guy goes in. It hasn’t been the goaltending.

by Hockey1919 on Nov 4, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

it hasn't been the goaltending...

I’m not saying that it is… but if you don’t think that Dipietro affects the play more than any other goaltender on the roster you really haven’t been watching for 10 years. (and I know that you have)
How many times, with 10 skaters in his zone, will he jut out of the net to play an end around pass… AND MISS.
How many times will he go behind the net to play the puck with a defenseman RIGHT THERE.
How many times is he compelled to skate 30 feet out of his net to stop a puck before the goal line… so he can make that quick up… then factor in the 5% of those he flubs right to a forechecker.
Really? It doesn’t matter who is in the net? Really?
I’d have to say that if he got me shmeared in a game because he was clogging up the space behind the net, I’d fuck him up like nobody’s business in practice. He’d be begging for me tag Johnson in over the ropes for relief.
…and I’d be on the shuttle… and he’d be the face of the franchise.
I also have a little splinter in my brain that keeps going back to the Simon return game… when the brawl started Montoya kinda skated over in a manner that looked like, “let’s grab each other so we don’t have to get involved in this nonesense” and Dipietro beat the crap out of him.
Well I’m rooting for the irony that dictates Montoya WINS HIS JOB FROM HIM.

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by JPinVA on Nov 4, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

theres also the other side of the spectrum.......

that has an opponents dump and chase game ineffective because of a good puck handling goaltender (This is why we now have the trapezoid). You also have scenarios where a good puck handling goaltender will save your defenseman from getting run into the boards because he is able to come out and make a play with the puck. (or in some cases leave the dman vulnerable because he’s not allowed to come out and play it, also see: the trapezoid).

Does he overhandle it? Yes
Does he make a bonehead play every now and again? Yes

But there are plenty of positives to go along with the negatives.

by LaFontaine16 on Nov 4, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nabokov has made DiPis puck handling look simply brilliant.

I personally wish the goaltender never ever left the crease and let me take whatever angle I want on the puck then him messing with it. However, with the Islander defense being so slow this season, DiPi may be the Islanders best hope of making a breakout this season. I actually found myslef hoping he would go out and pass the puck out of the zone than watching our slow returns last night.

by Hockey1919 on Nov 4, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

please don't encourage him...

he might be reading this!

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by JPinVA on Nov 4, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've seen God in nets

He has never given up a goal. He is Awesome. I hear his son is just as good. Lamariello tried to sign them both but, well, you know…….

by randyboyd on Nov 4, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've refused to watch Project Runway

since Gretchen Won Season 8. Mondo deserved it so much more, he was a more interesting designer and about ten times more interesting to watch during the season.

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by Mark D on Nov 4, 2011 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

This was so random...

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by Fabtraption on Nov 4, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is a quip at the end asking for Project Runway talk

And poor Mark missed out on the PR zaniness yesterday.

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by Dominik on Nov 4, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matt Martin...

Will be the biggest case to prove Capuano’s system of meritocracy. NOBODY has earned a promotion more than Matt Martin. He is the physical presence that every line on that team needs… and playing with Jay Pandolfo is no reward.
To the contrary… When Brian Rolston shies from the scrum…backwards… to take a 40 foot slapper 10 feet wide…
It’s time to sell real estate CAP MULE!

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by JPinVA on Nov 4, 2011 10:51 AM EDT reply actions  

agree about Martin.....

Hopefully, Capuano makes changes according to who “deserves” to play and not on who he “thinks” can score a goal…..

by LaFontaine16 on Nov 4, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny how people ask for this now… but when it happened in the past (giving ice time to guys who work hard, even if they are less talented) then people got pissed off.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Nov 4, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

i can assure you that i wasnt one of those people......

You should never have to ask for it, its how it should be. Unfortunately for the Isles, it took the 1st month of the season to realize that players were going to keep hitting the snooze button.

by LaFontaine16 on Nov 4, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup… me either. But we’ve all seen the arguments in Islanders country when guys get ice time based on hard work- that isnt good enough for some people, either. Theres just no way to please people when the team is playing like shit, thats the simple truth of it.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Nov 4, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

So True.

They suck right now, and people want results, but people also just love to bitch.

by NewIsles on Nov 4, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I dont think theres any way to please........

an Islander fan. We are a generation of abused children (sorry for lack of a better term). Our perception of things is forever skewed. There is always something wrong in Islander Country.

by LaFontaine16 on Nov 4, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree about Martin as well, please see my post below.

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by Bryan2112 on Nov 4, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cappy did say "even if we have to go with 3 lines and 5 defensemen"

….or something to that effect in the post-game interview. That sounds to me like Rolston may not get much time.

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 4, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

New Lines

I understand that everyone is frustrated, we are 10 games in and it looks as if the isles have reverted back to their november 2010 form. A shake-up of the lines in a necessity to see if the isles have a chance to turn things around this year. Here are the lines I would like to see.

Moulson-Tavares-Bailey
Parentau-Nielsen-Graber
Okposo-Reasoner-Comeau
Martin-Haley-Rolston

Streit-Jurcina
Hamonic-Mcdonald
Eaton-Wishart

Montoya-Nabokov

Many people will probably not like the Josh Bailey to the top line idea but hear me out. Bailey is a 22 year old kid. He gets himself into trouble when he tries to get cute with the puck. I think being on a line with tavares could help him become more level headed. He has shown that when he is consistent, he can put up good numbers (i.e. start of last year). This change i believe is important because Josh has ZERO chemistry with his linemates of Comeau and Rolston. I moved parentau down to line 2 because I saw some good things between him and Frans during the little time they shared together on the ice last night. We need to try something to get grabner a little bit more involved. Moving Okposo down to the third line makes total sense. He is struggling to make the right plays, but at the same time being in the right place to make those plays. Comeau is a good player, he has a hard shot and when focused, brings an extremely physical attribute to the game. I think that Okposo and Comeau would feed off each other and throw in the calming veteran presence of reasoner, this line could excel. Keep martin down on 4th line, he is still young and has plenty to learn. Call up Haley, demote rolston to 4th and scratch pandolfo. Let this line be a grinding line. And for god’s sake, Put MONTOYA in NET.

by Kevin Rice on Nov 4, 2011 11:18 AM EDT reply actions  

I quickly thought about the Bailey thing before......

but i would put Okposo on that line instead of Moulson also. Kind of screws up every other line though

by LaFontaine16 on Nov 4, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too early to panic but it's getting too late to not panic

(Was that even English?)

There’s no problem with the goalies except that there are too many of them. At some point soon, someone will have to be moved. Both Nabokov and Montoya have shown enough to be the #1 with Ricky #2 (billion trillion dollar contract over 452 years notwithstanding) so we may be getting close to finding out the trade value of one of the #1s. Beyond that….

TOO MUCH DEADWOOD.

I’d try almost any line combination the next two games and aif nothing works, it’s time to trade/release/waive/disappear a couple of guys and move on. Bailey on wing is worth a shot. He’s unproductive at center and while he looked a bit lost at LW last year, he had some decent-enough games. Comeau doesn’t bother playing until February so can we send him home until then? Guys like Pandolfo, Rolston, Staios are a dime a dozen and easily replaced and not missed, so I’d move them out.

My experiment for the weekend. (Picture me in a white labcoat)
Tavares-Bailey-Martin
Nielsen-Moulson-Parenteau
Grabner-Rolston-Comeau
Okposo (I said last year he’d be a glorified fourth liner – it looks like we’re there)-Reasoner-Pandolfo
for now. Nino would go line 1 or 2 when ready. Tavares and Moulson will eventually wind up back together

It’s time for some moves.

Thanks for letting me vent.

by martylnd on Nov 4, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Always the most enjoyable yet implausible part of the show

Really? “Cocksucker” was a popular term in the gold rush years? I should look it up…

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by IslesFanInNJ on Nov 4, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

did you think...

c***sucking started with Clinton Administration?

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by JPinVA on Nov 4, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

and on that note...

Article in the times today says that Cuba is going to allow citizens to buy houses. With a little redirection of funds, I’m sure Clinton will be putting some chubby girls in “cubans” instead of the other way around.

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by JPinVA on Nov 4, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Research complete

Though grain of salt, with the research being internet-based:

The same holds for most of the other obscene words that you hear on “Deadwood.” Back in the 19th century, people used “asshole” to refer to a bodily orifice and “cocksucker” to refer to someone who performs fellatio. But it was only in the 1920’s that anybody thought to use them for a despicable person. And it was around the same time that the new word “motherfucker” was coined with roughly the same meaning.

Basically, back then cocksucker would have only been used literally (a la, during the Clinton Administration). You never would have called Gold Rush Mike Mottau “cocksucker”. Maybe “defense sucker”?

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by IslesFanInNJ on Nov 4, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

what about CAP MULE?

Is that something that could get written into a DEADWOOD movie script…

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by JPinVA on Nov 4, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

My take....

I am no professional by any means, in playing or coaching. But having played for 30 years and coached for another 8, I do know the game itself. To me the biggest problems plaguing the Isles right now is simply the breakout. There is none! Pucks are just being dumped up the boards to nobody, wasting possession. And every time the defense retreats to play a dump in to our zone, they look like they are panicking just to get it clear. You cannot sustain any offensive pressure, 5 v 5 or otherwise, without a breakout. That not only falls on the players but the coaching staff. They have to implement a system that works.

As far as players are concerned, JT is the shizznit. He is the real deal and will be for a long time coming. Man, this kid just gets better and better. Moulson looks to be floating lately and I like the work ethic and puck possession skills of PA. As great as Frans is defensively, he is just not a typical 2nd line center to me. KO has been the most disappointing Isle to date, as I am unsure if we are ever going to see the 25 goal, 60 point winger we all thought he would be. Josh and Blake have to go before their value decreases all the way down to zero. Watch Comeau next game. He plays hard when he wants to and when he doesnt, it is very noticable. 90% of his hits are against the boards and not the opposing player. Rolston has been Ok for what we signed him for but I am one of those who is not on-board with Reasoner. Don’t really see the upgrade over Zenon, other than in the penalty box. With the upcoming schedule, a November swoon like last year could be looming. Shots on goal are very deceiving. How many real opportunities did they have last night? First period was sluggish, second was good and the third, down a goal at home to a team with 2 regular Dmen out of the lineup was absolutely pitiful and disgusting.

Just my 2 cents.

by Tazman19 on Nov 4, 2011 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Interesting about Moulson....

….I love him, I really do…..but it is kind of like he’s floating lately. I think (hope?) that’s just his game.

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by CharlieIsles on Nov 4, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Last year and the year before, yeah.

I dont think he is doing all that much of that so far this year.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 4, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not as much, is still more than most.

I think the lines just need a littel bit of a re-fresh. There seems to be a general lack of fight in the paint. When was the last time the opposing team’s D shoved an Islander because they were jabbing at the puck too hard or giving the D a shot? Maybe once last night. The Islanders are currently a nice, polite opponent to play against, and that is NOT a compliment.

by Hockey1919 on Nov 4, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

And PAP has been working hard

He’s not the most gifted player, but he uses his skating ability to win a lot of loose pucks. He had some lazy games last season, but I think he’s been working hard this season.

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 4, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

PAP and JT are pretty much the only forwards Im not angry with right now.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 4, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Thank you for also sounding the breakout drum. In all of their duds this season the breakout has been nonexistent. You can’t effectively transition through the neutral zone making wild passes to guys with their backs turned and crowding each other.

Hunter said he was just finishing his check.

by Turgeon1992 on Nov 4, 2011 1:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I was complaining about the slow d and the panic passes several weeks ago.

D is to slow to get the puck in time to transition. Forwards then break out with a gap a mile wide that is easily intercepted. I miss Hillen’s ability to at least skate it past the blueline when not pressured.

by Hockey1919 on Nov 4, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

They are tapping it back and forth too much. They need to drive it over the blue line which sends the forwards closer to the opposing blue line. Maybe more things like that will help to create forechecking opportunities.

Hunter said he was just finishing his check.

by Turgeon1992 on Nov 4, 2011 1:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Don't get me started on the forecheck.

I’m not sure if this is their strategy, but it looks like the palyer driving the puck into the zone is the player in pursuit and not the player on the off wing/weak side. If the left wing dumps it in hard, it looks like the right wing is holidng up high on the boards hoping the left wing pressure will force a pass from behind the net that can be intercepted up high.

Instead the left wing, in this instance, just chases the defenseman who skates around the net unmolested and makes a pass up through the middle, completely avoiding the right wing putting pressure along the boards high near the blueline. A lot of those passes are sent up the middle where the defense slooowly tracks it down and then panic fires it off the boards again or cross ice where the opposing forecheck is already waiting.

But that’s just my simple observation.

by Hockey1919 on Nov 4, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

FNGO is in an akward spot this season

They need to stick to the traditional third line role of disrupting the other teams offense and generating chances off the counter attack. It looks like they are trying to be the number 2 offensive line and that is screwing up what they do best, scare the shit out of opposing teams offense.

by Hockey1919 on Nov 4, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had this exact same thought last night

FNGO really has been an elevated 3rd line that’s been able to score on defensive breakdowns. This, then, really emphasizes the struggles of the Bailey line on being unable to generate any scoring opportunities whatsoever.

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by Fabtraption on Nov 4, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cizkas has the heart and the hustle

I may like to see him come up. DiBo didn’t impress me when he was up last year but he’s been really good this year in the AHL from what I’ve seen

by edavidmorris on Nov 4, 2011 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

DiBo is an interesting case...

He very well could be an Avery type player sans the consentration of vinegar. He, like Summer’s Ave, has the ability to draw penalties AND play solid hockey. THE BAG, however, loses focus too often and becomes too much of a selfish distraction. A better example for Dibo would be Jon Sim without the knee issues and better hands.
In the game, and all the highlights, I’ve watched in BPT [this year] it appears that Dibo has learned how to dominate the paint. Kind of like what Moulson has done in the NHL. His linemates are getting the puck to the net, and he is firing home rebounds (mostly)… but he does have the ability to laser shots from 20+ feet.
I don’t know if that translates to the NHL yet, but he is definitely a better player (professionally) than he was last year, or the year before. I hope they give him another chance.

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by JPinVA on Nov 4, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cizikas...

…is going to grow into a very good NHLer. Much like Martin I think Casey is all about challenges. It appears that if you give Casey an obstacle, and some time, he will dominate it. Right now he’s aclimating himself to professional hockey… and you really can’t argue with the results. He’s going to have to develop better rink awareness, and make plays more instinctively (both offensively and defensively) and when he does the Islander fans who haven’t followed his progress to this point will have an instant favorite.

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by JPinVA on Nov 4, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

DiBo didn't exactly impress me in the callup last year either

But it really was so small (and with nothing impressive to play with) that it’s hard to penalize him. Certainly this year he is stirring the drink in BPT enough to get another look when the time comes. Cizikas’ time will come.

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by Dominik on Nov 4, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

we overrate

our forwards – plain & simple

and should start making changes among the bottom performers

its that simple

by Cary K on Nov 4, 2011 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

The problem with that

is people tend to overrate their potential replacements, too.

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by Dominik on Nov 4, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree...

and I don’t believe we need to give up on some fo the younger islanders… like some people do. But I do think that giving opportunities to the indentured servents instead of the cap mules are low risk, high reward… where as with the over the hill vets… they are ready for the Medicare Death Squads of hockey. There’s no use investing in grandpa if he’s just gonna launch geritol farts while we’re trying to watch television.

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by JPinVA on Nov 4, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, a change here and there, this lever or that button is fine

It’s more the “waive everybody, call up Bridgeport’s entire .500 roster” meme I keep seeing that has run its course for me.

Running the team like NHL 12 ain’t gonna get it done.

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by Dominik on Nov 4, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe on Rookie Level?

(Do they still have that level? I haven’t bought once since NHL 04.)

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by Dominik on Nov 4, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, the voice of reason...

The reality is that Snow can’t make a trade I think because we are putting more value on our guys that the rest of the league does. I’m sure teams would pay for JT & MM, and maybe even Grabs, but unless Snow starts unloading Prospects that have not quite shown their true worth yet, I still don’t think there is enough on the roster to trade. Some have mentioned here it might be time to trade Bailey or KO, while we still can.

Second issue is the D, as a whole needs to get the puck up and out much faster. Only Streit can make that out of the zone pass, and make it stick. Seems the rebuild is not as far along as we would have liked, they should bring up some AHL bodies, DiBo, Cizikas. We weren’t winnin the cup anyway, so they should sit the Old Guys ( crap, they are all younger than me ) and keep finding out what they have.

by JimFromStJames on Nov 4, 2011 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

rec'd for the BALLS...

to suggest that first line! And to put Okposo on the fourth.
I like a lot about this post, but what I like most is the names Rolston, Pandolfo and Mottau (The Devil Droppings) do not appear. One they are all done clogging the arteries our HEART will start beating regularly again.
All hail 17!!!

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by JPinVA on Nov 4, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reasoner with Grabner may not be a bad idea

Reasoner has been more Nielsen-esque the past few games than Nielsen has been so far this season.

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 4, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Its true.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 4, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Recd

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Nov 4, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree with some points you make..

but that’s what makes this site fun isn’t it?

I have not been impressed with Staios and expect more from a top pair defenseman, and I think the fact that Streit has looked good but not great is all a product of who he’s been playing with, when he has to cover for him, can’t take as many offensive risks b/c of him, etc. I wouldn’t call Staios a faller, but I wouldn’t call him a riser either.

I’ve been so impressed with Reasoner (I guess I don’t disagree as much as I thought).. He is a true ‘veteran’ presence, he doesn’t make glaring mistakes and you always take notice when he’s on the ice, just consistently makes the right play, something that we don’t see Rolston or Staios doing.

Side note: I want Montoya to start more, I feel like he hasn’t played a game in ages (probably a product of the long layoff)

by BaltimoreIslander on Nov 4, 2011 12:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I have not been impressed with Staios and expect more from a top pair defenseman,

Staios is not a “top pair defenseman” he is a tryout who got a contract. If he was a top pair defenseman at this point hye would not have been at training camp without a contract.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 4, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think by top-pair defenseman

he means the partner to the NHL All-Star and captain of the New York Islanders.

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by Fabtraption on Nov 4, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely what the site is for

My only point with Staios (and Pandolfo, and DiPietro) is they’ve provided more than I expected. Coming into this season, their stock has “risen” for me.

But everyone had different expectations coming in — to say nothing of the passionate disagreement on who’s doing what right now — so … yes, that’s what this is for!

Streit, FWIW, seems to like his Staois pairing just fine. But he hasn’t had much to compare it to as an Islander, heh.

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by Dominik on Nov 4, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

A reality check scouting report........

Grabner – needs to work on finishing a breakaway. (Obvious). Does not have the hands or puck control to be an effective PP producer. Needs to swarm the net more. All of his goals are from breakaways or tap ins around the net.

MacDonald – needs to play like he is our best dman and the team is counting on him. Seemed to have taken his foot off the gas since Streits return.

Hamonic – He is fine. He’s had 1 bad game so far.

Okposo – see MacDonald. Needs to play like he is our teams best player and everyone is counting on him. Has taken a back seat to Tavares and his will and urgency has dipped considerably.

Bailey – tough case here. Would put him in the same boat as MacDonald & Okposo, but on a lesser extent. He shined the one chance he was put in the spotlight, but has disappeared in the shadows since. Is too talented to be buried on a 3rd line and cant work his way out of it. Experiment with him in a more significant team role. (Cant hurt at this point)

Comeau – has clearly established himself as a 3rd line player and as a 3rd line player he is fine.

Rolston – is just not an effective NHL player anymore.

Tavares – needs better talent around him for his true star to shine

Martin – integral part of the team. Has enough skill and hockey sense to be more than a 4th line player.

Moulson – great hands around the net. Competes hard on the backcheck. Doesnt bring much else presence wise.

P.A. – nice vision and puck control. not talented or consistent enough for top line minutes.

by LaFontaine16 on Nov 4, 2011 12:41 PM EDT reply actions  

My problem - No immidiate room for movement.

In a current situation, the Isles cannot bring up an AHL (other than Nino) player without waving someone. I guess either Pondolfo or Rolston could be waived, yet this devalues their market at the trade deadline. Most of you may think this may be too early for this line of thought, but IMHO, after this swoon, the Isles may not be able to recover to have a legitimate chance to fight for a playoff spot. Look at all the “bottom teams” in the conference, most of them 4-6 points higher, Toronto is already planning a parade.

by O.Bender on Nov 4, 2011 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Neither Pandolfo nor Rolston have much of value in the first place

so there’s no harm in waiving them.

Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.

by Fabtraption on Nov 4, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t we need Rolston for his cap hit?

Hunter said he was just finishing his check.

by Turgeon1992 on Nov 4, 2011 1:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Is this the new Jonathan Quick joke?

I’m not sure I’m at liberty to answer your question.

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 4, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brian Rolston's cap hit

Is Matt Moulson’s brother-in-law.

by Dorfer on Nov 4, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rolston is over 35.His cap hit doesnt go away regardless.

Unless you believe he would be claimed.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 4, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome. Then waiving him should be a possible future move.

Hunter said he was just finishing his check.

by Turgeon1992 on Nov 4, 2011 1:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The only reason not to waive some of these guys is to give the kids the proper level of exposure in the AHL.

We have half a dozen guys that we are clamoring to see in the NHL after a total of maybe a dozen AHL games. That makes them seasoned veterans ready for a call up, but it is the same complaint about Bailey being brought up too soon.

There’s no point bringing the AHL kids up if they aren’t ready. 10 games in the AHL may make them better than some NHL players we have, but that doesn’t make them ready yet either. I don’t wnat 10 games of mediocrity to mess up 10 year careers either.

by Hockey1919 on Nov 4, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree with this.

Unfortunately, I feel like Garth is going to let Capuano figure out how to get out of this mess with the roster he has before dipping into the AHL well. I see Garth leaving the roster primarily the same until Nino’s ready, and then benching/waiving one of Rolston or Pandolfo and calling him up.

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by Fabtraption on Nov 4, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree and almost wrote the same thing last night

As bad as these last few games have been I don’t expect any call-ups with the exception of Nino when his conditioning is done. Rolston, Pandolfo, Mottau, Eaton are stop gaps, meant to keep prospects where they belong – at the Bridge. As long as they’re healthy, they’re playing. They need to carry their weight, but they’re not going anywhere. I’d rather have DiBennedetto or Ullstrom have great seasons in the AHL and help the Islanders even more next season than come up too early.

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by PGI on Nov 4, 2011 2:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

yup. I think that could even be one of the reasons Garth pulled the trigger on this one.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 4, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Biggest problem to me is crashing the net

Nobody on the Isles consistently gets to the front of the net and stays there. Martin is probably the best at this, with Moulson a close second, but everyone else just skates around the offensive zone trying to make a pass. Cappy mentioned that last night in the post game, he wants to see the players want it more, and they are not. Okposo had one chance that I recall where he was battling in front, got dumped and then got in the d-man’s face, but that was the ONLY time it happened. They all need to do this consistently, on every shift.

by Lawbot13 on Nov 4, 2011 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

How annoying is it

That Rolston can hit rick in the head so hard that he gives him a damn concussion but during a game he doesnt shoot the puck anywhere near the opposing goalie, let alone hurt the guy.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 4, 2011 2:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Dangerous question to ask

There are many on here who value the former over the latter.

by Dorfer on Nov 4, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

you know Rolston couldn't...

hit his head if he was between the pipes.

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by JPinVA on Nov 4, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dominik.......

i always stick up for Rick….but that made me laugh

by LaFontaine16 on Nov 4, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know it's possible...

hell, it’s even possible Rolston was at the other end of the ice shooting on Montoya when it happened.

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by Dominik on Nov 4, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

My gripe

A lousy 3rd period effort, – particularly behind by only one goal playing a lower tier team at home trying to break a 5 game losing streak. I never picked the Isle’s to make the play-offs but expected better. Notice when we play the Capitals how much bigger they are and how much more physical they are. I think the addition of a tough winger would improve the goal production of our potentially talented forwards. Sat. night watch Brooks Laich and you will see an example of a player who could help our team turn it around. He was UFA, but we probably never had a shot at him because Was. new his value.

by altosax on Nov 4, 2011 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I think we are back to ted...

with slightly bigger hair and a lighter complexion. The only thing Cappy doesn’t bring to the table is Chris Simon/Brendan Witt…cappy has the younger Hamonic to replace Witt and the less talented Martin to replace Simon…and instead of Zhitnik we’re getting Staios…
Team playing 5 man concept defense… check
Team standing up for themselves… check
Team not scoring many goals… check
Gonna get fired because he won’t play Jeff Tambellini… let’s hope not! And let’s hope that the SO substitution is the last time he gets asked to do something stupid for the principal’s pet.

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by JPinVA on Nov 4, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Standing aournd the perimeter for themselves
Team standing up for themselves… check

Well, not too much of this going on in the “new” NHL. Outside of Hamonic I can’t think of an Islander pissed enough to throw a punch this season. Now toughness isn’t all about fighting, but I wouldn’t go so far as to say they are standing up for themselves because they don’t seem to be battling too much in the dirty areas.

by Hockey1919 on Nov 4, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd agree with this year...

but I was commenting about since capuano took over… Does the 2011 of 2010-11 count for nothing… do we erase it because some of the key components to that TEAM were replaced by a cap mule, a broken devil and bastard who tried to decapitate Frans.
You know, the whole “pressure off” thing is probably more about the GM and Coach, than it is about the players. Last year Snow and capuano said, WTF do we have to lose, let’s see what Gillies, Haley and Dibo can bring to the table…
Now we’re trying to get to the playoffs with Rolston and Pandolfo… really? I want a Kevin Mitchell… and neither of those guys are Kevin Mitchell… at least give me a benny agbayani… maybe deHaan will be that guy, maybe Nino, maybe Ullstrom… but it ain’t gonna be Brian Rolston.

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by JPinVA on Nov 4, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you don't think we're going to make the playoffs with Rolston and Pandolfo in reduced roles

then what does that say about bringing up guys from the AHL (Ullstrom and DiBo) so early into their professional careers? Unfortunately, Pandolfo really isn’t the problem, and Rolston’s not the only one sucking on his line.

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by Fabtraption on Nov 4, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Need some sandpaper
commenting about since capuano took over

and I was clearly discussing this season’s line-up; so we are in agreement. I wasn’t even looking at it in terms of dropping the gloves, but general lack of belligerence.

I can honestly say I may have been mistaken about Konopka, but in the same token Reasoner isn’t the problem. We are basically saying the Islanders aren’t playing well because Rolston replaced Hunter, which none of us believe. After JT, every forward in the top 12 have to step up and every defenseman has to improve.

by Hockey1919 on Nov 4, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

i wouldn't even trend Hamonic and Amac down

sure they haven’t performed at their ridiculous levels of last year yet, but the defense hasn’t been the issue

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by ArsenalLI on Nov 4, 2011 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

No, it has been an issue.

Big-time mistakes on D have led to most of the Isles goals this season- not poor goaltending.
Its just that the D has not been as much of a problem as the complete lack of scoring and mentally deficient “passing” has been.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 4, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree, you aren't going to play a perfect game defensively almost ever.

You hold a team to 2 you have to win. Not counting empty net goals the GAA has been very low this year, we just haven’t been able to generate offense. The Islanders with 2.47 currently have the 10th lowest GAA in the league right now but rank dead last in goals for.

Sure there have been mistakes but that isn’t what is costing us games, this is hockey you don’t expect shut outs every night, especially in the post lockout era. I know GAA and GF don’t explain the whole story but it’s a good indicator of where the burden of losing games has been.

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by ArsenalLI on Nov 4, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

I have to agree with TMC here. Amac has made a lot of bad decisions… of which his lack of size or speed cannot make up for.
Hamonic has played really well… but like Dom says, maybe the lack of support from his partner (where the wealth of the same was common last year) is starting to wear on him.
Even last night, after Hammy got schooled, he was still their best offensive defenseman.
But both Kane opportunities were his responsibility.

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by JPinVA on Nov 4, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I need to rename this post: What Really Grinds My Gears

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Nov 4, 2011 2:30 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Also rising: My blood pressure

Because there are so many questions. The facts are:
A. Tavares is a beast
B. The goalies have played fine and so equally that the only difference between them right now is based on personal preference. (Viva El Cubano Grande!)
C. For Bailey and Comeau to have no points 10 games into the season is not acceptable. Ditto Okposo’s 3 assists. These are offensive players that are not producing offense. Only turnovers and wasted possessions.

Maybe line changes spark some goals. Maybe they don’t. Maybe these guys need to figure out how real live NHLers break losing streaks for themselves. I just hope something happens soon.

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1979-80


May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.

The victory justified the faith in coach Al Arbour who guided them from their second season to their first Stanley Cup seven seasons later. The Islanders would not be the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup, but they would be the only one capable of a dynasty.

1980-81


May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.

Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.

1981-82


May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.

A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.

1982-83


May 17, 1983: Not so fast, whipper-snappers. The Edmonton Oilers' steadily rising challenge for league supremacy took them all the way to the finals for the first time, where the New York Islanders summarily dispatched them in a four-game sweep. For the Islanders, the Dynasty was secured. For the Oilers, it was a powerful lesson in where talent ends and the demands of playoff hockey begin.

Four years, four Cups, 16 consecutive playoff series wins (a record that would grow to 19 until the rematch with the Oilers the following year). Mike Bossy scored 60 goals yet again, and Wayne Gretzky became acquainted with Billy Smith's crease.


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