Islanders Bits, NHL Power Rankings, Al Montoya's Magical Save
It's just by a hair, but the New York Islanders are still behind Anaheim and ahead of Columbus -- who I swear will keep rising -- in our weekly NHL power rankings. That's as of Sunday night's results, so it excludes last night's Isles win in Buffalo, among other variables.
Those tables and the weekly media ranking roundup after the jump. But first, some further Islanders coverage and reliving Al Montoya's "double Toyota" save on the 5-on-3 last night.:
- Like us, Arthur Staple's sidebar in Newsday highlighted Nino Niederreiter's growing pains -- yes, that is my personal "Stop freaking out that Nino was a scratch" plea -- and also mentioned the "hint" of a D-man callup for the Chicago-Dallas trip.
- His game recap focused on Al's magnificence.
- Our own (yes, we're claiming him like a proud mother) Keith Quinn did the recap for IPB.
In that AP recap, Capuano is quoted saying:
"We showed some desperation and then Al was there when we needed him to be," coach Jack Capuano said. "We kept coming. We have to play with an attitude that maybe we didn’t play with the first couple of weeks."
Hmmm, I'm not sure "attitude" is quite the thing -- and wasn't scratching Attitude-in-Chief Micheal Haley supposed to cause the Isles to fold last night due to a severe Grit Deficiency? -- but I'll take whatever attitude works for the team to believe in.
In the Newsday recap, not for the first time this season Brian Rolston was quoted with what might be interpreted as a healthy endorsement of Al:
"Our goaltender was our best player tonight, and if our goaltender is our best player every night we're going to win a lot of games,"
Whatever could he mean? Oh, maybe he means moments like this:
Al Montoya Robs Derek Roy Twice
Yeah, yeah that might be it.
Media Power Rankings
Finally, after weeks of benign verbiage, the media take the silly stick to the Isles.
| Outlet | Rank | Last Week | Their Commentary |
| CBSSports | 29 | 30 |
They needed the situation room in Toronto to review a potential game-tying goal in the closing seconds over the weekend. Thankfully, the correct call was made, enabling the Islanders to finally win their first road game of the season. They held on to beat the New Jersey Devils on Saturday afternoon. [Ed. note: Good talk, Russ.] |
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THN (Proteau) |
28 | 28 |
Awful Isles now NHL’s worst team in terms of 5-on-5 goals-for/against ratio (0.64). |
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ESPN (Burnside) |
29 | 29 | Worst goal differential in the league; unable to get their promising offense going; just one road win. It doesn't get much worse, does it? Oh, sorry, these are the Islanders. Of course it could get worse. [Ed. note: |
| CBC | 29 | 30 | As one journalist told me the other day, "I don't care what the stats are, the Islanders are the worst team in the NHL." Well, you don't have to look too far to find the stats to support that claim. The Isles have been shutout in three of their last five games and haven't won back-to-back games since games three and four to start the season. [Ed. note: Oh, well if a JOURNALIST said it, then ... yeah.] |
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TSN (Cullen) |
29 | 28 | John Tavares has one goal in the last 12 games and has been held without a point in the last five and, strangely enough, the Isles don't seem to have the complementary scoring to handle that lull in production. |
| Fox | 30 | 29 | It’s been said a million times, but you still have to wonder how the Isles feel about being on the hook for Rick DiPietro and his $4.5 million salary in 2020-21. [Ed. note: You do?] |
| Average |
29 |
28.8 |
I tend to look at goals against without accounting for empty net goals. That's just how I roll. A journalist told me it works. |
Real Power Rankings
These are before last night's win. Mike tells me the OT loss to the Sharks boosts the rating, but the Isles were higher before other results bumped them down over the weekend..
Our weekly "real" power rankings are courtesy of Mike, or ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles (who is the one you'll find tirelessly compiling FIG picks in the game thread), conceived and delivers these week after week. They reflect games through Sunday.
Explanation of how he does it is in the original post. If you have any questions about it, leave them in comments and he'll likely answer. For reference, last week's post is here.
| W | L | OTL | Pts | Win Pct | PWR | ||
| 1 | San Jose | 13 | 6 | 1 | 27 | 0.675 | 2066 |
| 2 | Pittsburgh | 14 | 6 | 4 | 32 | 0.667 | 1905 |
| 3 | NY Rangers | 12 | 5 | 3 | 27 | 0.675 | 1884 |
| 4 | Boston | 14 | 7 | 1 | 29 | 0.659 | 1860 |
| 5 | St. Louis | 13 | 8 | 2 | 28 | 0.609 | 1836 |
| 6 | Detroit | 14 | 7 | 1 | 29 | 0.659 | 1823 |
| 7 | Philadelphia | 13 | 7 | 3 | 29 | 0.630 | 1796 |
| 8 | Minnesota | 13 | 7 | 3 | 29 | 0.630 | 1789 |
| 9 | Phoenix | 12 | 7 | 3 | 27 | 0.614 | 1785 |
| 10 | Florida | 12 | 7 | 4 | 28 | 0.609 | 1782 |
| 11 | Toronto | 14 | 8 | 2 | 30 | 0.625 | 1768 |
| 12 | Edmonton | 12 | 9 | 2 | 26 | 0.565 | 1750 |
| 13 | Chicago | 14 | 7 | 3 | 31 | 0.646 | 1745 |
| 14 | Los Angeles | 11 | 8 | 4 | 26 | 0.565 | 1719 |
| 15 | Vancouver | 13 | 9 | 1 | 27 | 0.587 | 1711 |
| 16 | Washington | 12 | 9 | 1 | 25 | 0.568 | 1663 |
| 17 | Tampa Bay | 11 | 9 | 2 | 24 | 0.545 | 1650 |
| 18 | Dallas | 13 | 9 | 1 | 27 | 0.587 | 1640 |
| 19 | Buffalo | 13 | 9 | 1 | 27 | 0.587 | 1623 |
| 20 | New Jersey | 12 | 9 | 1 | 25 | 0.568 | 1592 |
| 21 | Nashville | 10 | 8 | 4 | 24 | 0.545 | 1538 |
| 22 | Montreal | 10 | 10 | 4 | 24 | 0.500 | 1501 |
| 23 | Ottawa | 11 | 10 | 2 | 24 | 0.522 | 1500 |
| 24 | Winnipeg | 9 | 10 | 4 | 22 | 0.478 | 1424 |
| 25 | Colorado | 10 | 12 | 1 | 21 | 0.457 | 1325 |
| 26 | Calgary | 9 | 12 | 1 | 19 | 0.432 | 1291 |
| 27 | Carolina | 8 | 13 | 4 | 20 | 0.400 | 1289 |
| 28 | Anaheim | 6 | 13 | 4 | 16 | 0.348 | 1197 |
| 29 | NY Islanders | 6 | 11 | 4 | 16 | 0.381 | 1194 |
| 30 | Columbus | 6 | 14 | 3 | 15 | 0.326 | 900 |
Columbus will climb over 1000 one of these days, I swear to it.
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Pierre LeBrun didn't write this week's ESPN's rankings...
Scott Burnside did. Anytime the rankings read like they were written by an obnoxious 15 year old (with comparable writing skill), you know the author is Burnside.
If I told you I have a Mike Mottau jersey, will you still respect me in the morning?
by Captdallas on Nov 30, 2011 7:05 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Ahh, thanks
I swear I double-checked that twice — especially because of the rule you just mentioned. I must be hallucinating.
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Nice to know people haven't changed their opinion of the team
Oh well, that stats have not helped that. Hopefully the Islanders can finally build some momentum take care of business. Just think, at least Columbus is below us.
All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.
The only games any of these people watched
Was the Pens game and the Bruins game.
If you watched those two games and not all of our games what would you think?
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 30, 2011 7:43 AM EST reply actions
“Our goaltender was our best player tonight, and if our goaltender is our best player every night we’re going to win a lot of games,”
Love it.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 30, 2011 7:45 AM EST reply actions
Well, it depends.
If the forwards are unable to put pucks in the net, it doesn’t really matter how the goalie plays. You won’t win a lot of games anyway.
by Kaonashi on Nov 30, 2011 8:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i just love the quote
doesn’t matter who believes it except the team.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 30, 2011 8:39 AM EST up reply actions
Rankings
given the relative parity of the NHL, a 1-30 ranking isn’t terribly useful, as a team could easily move from say 25 to 5 with a short win streak or vice versa
more interesting would be some sort of A, B, C, D, F grade of how likely teams are to win the cup/make the playoffs, etc.
most teams would be B or C at this point
San Jose, Pittsburgh & Boston = A
Yes and no.
The power rankings treats every game equally, so the victory against the Rangers early this year, for example, is weghted just as heavily as any of the team’s more recent wins and losses. It sounds like you want to take a pulse of all 30 teams as they are right now, which is fine and also useful in its own way. The opinion polls are better for that.
That being said, I will put up a quick post in a few days, recalculating for all teams just for the month of November. That might be more along the lines of what you’re looking for.
Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Nov 30, 2011 9:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Must've been a good night in your household Dom
The Isles win. The Blues shoot down Hunter in his debut. Frans Nielsen scored a hat trick.
Well 2 out of 3 ain’t bad.
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Pretty close
Lost our rec game, though :(
But as everyone gave me crap about the Isles when I entered the locker room, I was able to tell my Sabres buddy, “Well they just beat Buffalo, so…”
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by Dominik on Nov 30, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And that the Isles have had a pretty good record against them recently, if I recall correctly.
Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Nov 30, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Man
Last night I thought Roy hit the post and then the side of the net there. Wow!
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
Aside from hitting ...
the post – which unless I’m imagining this team does a bizarre amount of – if they were able to covert JUST A MEDIOCRE amount of their good scoring chances this team would have several more wins.
It reminds of the early 2000s teams with all those guys that just couldn’t finish great chances when they needed to, ie. Kvasha, Bates, Asham.
It was freakin frustrating then and it still is now.
by dose on Nov 30, 2011 8:21 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
CLAUDE LAPOINTE
He could create chances, skate like the wind… and hands of the finest sculpted limestone.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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I thought Grabner
was Claude LaPointe 2.0 until they finally started going in last year.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
by afrosupreme on Nov 30, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Lapointe ...
was another one.
I liked that guy, but sheesh …
Don't know how many ....
remember or were around then, but in the mid 90’s they had a kid Marty McInnis who like Grabner was an absolute speed demon. His speed created tons of great chances but he couldn’t drop a basketball into the Atlantic Ocean from the deck of the Queen Mary.
I used want to tear my teeth out watching that guy.
No doubt
Thankfully he was a little better finisher in his NHL 95 video game incarnation.
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I remember.
Unfortunately, I remember lots of frustrating players.
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Nov 30, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Marty McInnis couldn't finish a breakaway
and Travis Green couldn’t hit the net.
So then that would make McInnis=Grabner and Green=Okposo. Hmm, would that make Brad Dalgarno=Frans Nielsen?
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by Chris McNally on Nov 30, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Dalgarno was another ...
one of those real big guys who refused or was afraid to use his size and strength.
To this day I think Dalgarno and Brad Isbister are the same person.
Just like Ricardo Montalban and Fernando Lamas.
Brad Dalgarno
was the second coming of early Betuzzi, the model for Brad Isbister and the prophecy of Kyle Okposo
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by Keith Quinn on Nov 30, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I was a fan of Dalgarno
but dose is right, he refused to use his size. He had a decent season in 93 with McInnis and Green but after that was a non-factor. Its funny to think the Isles have been trying to groom one successful power forward for this long.
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by Chris McNally on Nov 30, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Don't forget Kvasha!
Every long-suffering Isles fan remembers Kvasha. Not sure if you could call him a power-forward prospect, though, even if he was 6’5".
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 30, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Oleg Kvasha
is Russian for “Stone Hands.”
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
I thought it was Russian for
“No Effort”
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by Fabtraption on Nov 30, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I thought his hands were pretty good.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 30, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't Dalgarno have a fairly early-career shoulder injury that limited him?
I’m trying to remember timelines for his injury woes, but it’s amazing how many players’ careers were limited by injuries back before surgeries became so good. I don’t know if that excuses Dalgarno at all, but it comes up.
This is going back slightly earlier, but Wayne Babych (Dave’s brother) went from a 54-goal scorer to a shell of his self thanks to shoulder surgery in his early 20s. Brian Sutter was never the same thanks to shoulder surgeries that had him on fumes at 29 and retired by 31.
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I thought maybe an orbital bone fracture or something
from a fight…but could’ve been shoulder.
Missed remainder of the 1988-89 season with fractured orbital bone around left eye, an injury suffered in fight with Joe Kocur at 6:14 of the third period of N.Y. Islanders’ Feb. 21, 1989, game vs. Detroit. When he returned to action at the Islanders’ 1989 training camp, Dalgarno wore a face shield. …
But it looks like the shoulder was an ongoing thing, so that was probably it. His injury history is DiPietroesque…good god.
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I actually remember that fight
Kocur pummeled him. I guess a young, eager Dalgarno didn’t realize that unless your name is Berube, Probert, Domi, Odjick, or Ray you don’t mess with Joey Kocur. If he wants your lunch money, give him your lunch money.
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by Chris McNally on Nov 30, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Here it is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GifHb8wnM60
I wish Youtube had an equally comprehensive library of goals.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 30, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Actually Dalgarno got more of Kocur in the beginning than I thought
I think it was the height difference, but once Kocur got his footing he was like ‘ok this is ridiculous, one shot and this tree is going down’
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by Chris McNally on Nov 30, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Holy cow.
Lesson learned the hard way.
Re: YouTube. What a perfect reflection of the NHL’s awkward stance on fighting, that they don’t highlight fights on their own site but tacitly let Hockeyfights.com exist and post footage forever. I love it, and I get it, but it’s funny — if they didn’t benefit from it while also feeling slightly shamed by it, there is no way they’d allow that site to carry on.
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by Dominik on Nov 30, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Bossy was...
cut short by back problems.
I remember they used to talk about how he used a short-stick, and I own a red Titan Turbo of his. It is noticably short, which means he was always bent over, more than other guys. I’d bet that contributed to his back trouble.
How come this posted down ...
here? It was meant for further up, by the back injury thing.
I wonder
I always assumed it was the crosschecks and stuff, but I’m sure being bent over more than even the average player doesn’t help.
Wonder if Bossy could’ve avoided that decay with modern fitness techniques.
Of course, if there were modern goalie and defense techniques, he doesn’t score 50+ for a decade, so I guess I’ll just be happy with what I got. :)
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And don't forget
For a sizable chunk of his career he really didn’t have a long rest period between seasons. Constantly going deep in the playoffs does that to you :)
by GreekIsles83 on Nov 30, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
I've thought about ...
telling him I have one of his sticks and asking him about that. I’ve always been curious.
The stick has “M.Bossy” stamped midway on the shaft, and the tape is slightly worn. It’s one of the coolest things I own.
It still bothers me that he had to settle for 38 goals in his abbreviated 10th and last season. I’d imagine it bugs him just a little.
38
Oh, me too. He’s a different bird. I bet other guys might’ve hung on for longer and taken their 18-goal seasons.
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AP77
Will kill me – but have you noticed with the new additions that we are much bigger at Forward? Maybe its the Black jerseys? Now we need to bring up Wishart, – say what you want, but Jurcina is far from our worse defenseman.
Speaking of Bringing Up a D-Man
Any idea on who, if the story is true, who this might be?
My guess is Wishart. Could be wrong but Wishart’s cap hit is about the same as Mottau plus a few thousand dollars more. Reese’s hit is less and I don’t think they want to bring up the kids just yet.
Wishart and Mottau alternate playing, then when Eaton comes back healthy they waive Mottau plus get a little further away from the cap floor.
by barry_hal_oliver_24 on Nov 30, 2011 8:31 AM EST reply actions
My guess would be Reese
If it were going to be a long term gig than it may be Wishart but I think they just want to have a defenseman on the road trip just in case there is an injury on Friday. It’s easier to have the d-man on the trip with you then having to rush him half way across the country.
And being it may just be a call up for a couple games, I think they’d prefer to yo-yo Reese than one of the younger guys
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by Chris McNally on Nov 30, 2011 8:38 AM EST up reply actions
Can they yo-yo Reese?
Would he not have to pass through waivers? His cap hit is much smaller than Wishart’s; just small enough for a team who might need a D that close to the cap.
by barry_hal_oliver_24 on Nov 30, 2011 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
No one
in their right mind would claim Reese. At that point you might as well sign one of the defenseman on your AHL team who doesn’t have an NHL contract.
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If it’s Reese, it’s just for an emergency backup. If it’s Wishart we are one step closer to no more Mottau
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by Mark D on Nov 30, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's exactly what I was thinking
in which case I guess we should be crossing our fingers for Wishart
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by Chris McNally on Nov 30, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
The don't need
to send anyone down to bring a dman up-they have an open roster spot. So trying to match Mottau (or anyone’s salary) shouldn’t be an issue.
I’m guessing you’re right though-either Wishart or Reese. I’d prefer Wishart since he’s potentially more of a long term solution.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
They might want to reward Ness or CDH as well.
No Sleep 'til....Belmont?
I'm not sure
we have the right partner for CDH right now. To be honest, Eaton might be the best guy we have to pair him with in an effort to both provide some defensive help and let him do his thing with the puck. Unless they want to break up HamNMac and do something like:
Streit/AMac
Hamonic/CDH
Staios/Jurcina
Which would probably be pretty risky. Plus you’d have to shift the burden of the toughest matchups to Streit/AMac which might be asking a lot for two guys off surgery. I’m just not sure we have the right partner for these guys…
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
by afrosupreme on Nov 30, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah but that's more of a concern with a longer term call up
10 minutes a game on the 3rd pair for 2 games isn’t going to be a big deal. They might just call someone up and stick them in the press box…let them collect some extra pay and soak in the ‘experience’.
No Sleep 'til....Belmont?
Wishart is a good partner for CDH
But I don’t know if they would be any better than Jurcina/Mottau. And then Isles would have to scratch Jurcina or Staios.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 30, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
I think Staios and Jurcina
Are plenty capable of playing 3rd pairing minutes. Mottau is the one who constantly stands out for his mistakes.
Constantly building for the future.
The thing about the cap floor
That could help the Isles here, is that there are two open roster spots right now. So anyone you bring up just adds to the $ amount…you don’t have to waive and replace right now.
This is something they should do anyway because in the instance a trade becomes available or a waiving is necessary, you want to make sure you can pull it off and not go below the floor. Not to mention, it’s just good roster management to have Mottau off the ice and enough defencemen on the road in case someone gets hurt.
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by Keith Quinn on Nov 30, 2011 9:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
That's officer thinking right there
And interesting…those bonus babies could rack up some floor miles, I suspect.
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The thing I've been thinking lately
is for all of the complaining about Nino’s bonuses, I’m surprised nobody has called the Isles to task for not having two roster spots filled and the relation to “keeping costs down”. I’m sure there could be other reasons for not filling them, but hard to fathom when Mottau is continually turned inside out.
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Can there be other reasons for not filling them? I just assumed that was it.
The only one I could think of is with Wishart, you’d have to expose him on the way back down when Eaton came back if that’s the way you wanted to go.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
I wonder if that's it
They might be close to a decision, but one that might be difficult to reverse (if it’s Wishart) or that they didn’t want to rush (if it’s someone like CDH or Ness).
The other factor, related to overall cheapness, is the thin roster they’re keeping at BPT, relying on PTOs when injuries arise. They spent to bring Where Wallace At in but otherwise they’re keeping it cheap down there.
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Well with deHaan out for that while
maybe letting him get back into the swing of things…and as Dom indicated, just a difficult choice as to who. Plus, I have to believe that there are trades and discussions in the works. Or that stupid unbending faith in Mottau.
Olsen hasn’t been bad for BPT, and they have Reese, Wishart, CDH, Donovan, Klementyev and Ness. Klementyev and Olson have been sharing the scratches and CDH was out, so they really only have 7 D also. It could just be a “don’t upset the apple cart” type of thing. If none of them are overwhelming at that level, why bring one up.
Who knows.
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Isn't De Haan back?
He scored against the Whale a few nights ago.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 30, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, back
But only as of last weekend, I think.
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OT
But are former Whalers fan annoyed by the cheap usage of their former team’s nickname in an effort by the Rangers to pull at their heart strings?
Imagine if the Islanders left and a few years after that, the Bruins put their AHL team on LI, call them the “Isles” and have them wear orange & blue. It would annoy me to no end.
by Dorfer on Nov 30, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm fairly sure the mayor of Hartford pushed for the name change.
I remember him talking about it endlessly for a few weeks near the end of last season.
Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Nov 30, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
I can see the mayor liking it.
It can only help the area financially, certainly cant hurt.
But I can see fans being kind of ticked at being almost placated like this- from their POV.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 30, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
actually
you would think the Mayor of Hartford would be against it.
They went from being the HARTFORD Wolfpack to the Connecticut Whale.
"Matty Mo thinks it's different. He must be extra high today." BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Moulson's response to Isles black jerseys.
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I know, right?
But he was the driving force behind the name change, from what I recall.
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Nov 30, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
I was just thinking in terms of Connecticut, really.
Its the same money going there, only Id think they are hoping people from more of the state will identify with them.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 30, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
Whale
From what I read the group lobbying to bring the NHL back to Hartford liked the idea and is taking the same route the owners of the Jets did. By showing how nicely then run an AHL team, like the way the Jets group did with the Manitoba Moose they hope it will convince Bettman that Hartford is a viable hockey market again.
Perhaps
they are placing a greater emphasis on developing guys than winning right now, which I’m fine with, but there’s got to be some kind of balance where we’re not sitting on open roster spots and playing Mottau.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
I agree
I also hope that Dale Hunter never wins a game in the NHL. Also took a quick look at the Malkin article, Mario entertains teenage boys with good wine, no surprise here, maybe a Pennsylvania tradition. Also, think Montoya should be number one, DiPietro as backup, ship off Nabakov. For a guy struggling like he has been, I think JT had a very strong game and he will be better than last year if he keeps it up.
Where Malkin is from, if you can see over the bar, you can drink
I have some friends from Eastern Europe and lets just say they like a bit of the drop. On my bday, My friend from Czech came with 6 of my American friends. We couldn’t even order food, because the czech guy wouldn’t leave the waiter alone about what was the best wine. It took im at least 10 minuts to order wine.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 30, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
I think Mario served the following wines:
Can you believe that Haley is still allowed to play in the NHL; and
Konopka breathed on Sidney and all he got was 2 minutes; and
Why is that bankrupt team that got screwed over by a long-term SMG lease still in the league
by 4PeatSake on Nov 30, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Wishart
would he have to pass through waivers to come up? how many of our Bridgeport guys is that trrue of?
am thinking they reward Ness with a few games – especially if they want to give Amac a blow
Ness – Hamonic made a useful combo against NJD in the preseason
and wouldn't mind them al so calling up Calvin
and the 5/6 pairing could then be de Haan – Jurcina
IR Amac – in the long run, would be best for him to not play a full season – he’s already banged up in more ways than one
Wishart doesn't earn enough to qualify for re-entry waivers
He would just have to pass waivers if they sent him down again.
No Sleep 'til....Belmont?
Wishart's in the clear on the way up
I overlooked this in comments at the beginning of the season, but the threshold for requiring re-entry is if your AHL salary is over $105,000. Don’t think that applies to anyone down there.
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Interesting stat of the day
Montoya is now tied with Lundqvist in GAA at .933.
No Sleep 'til....Belmont?
by Anarcurt on Nov 30, 2011 9:09 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Awesome!
King Toyota!
Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Nov 30, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
King Toyota? Really?
Its “El Cubano Grande.”
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by Russel Ginart on Nov 30, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Fair enough.
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Nov 30, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Since then, he has established himself as the most reliable of the team’s numerous goaltenders, running his record to 13-8-6 since that first game in February, with a 2.29 goals-against average.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 30, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
The San Jose game.
What I meant by that is that the Isles earned a standings point against the top team in the rankings, and so long as San Jose doesn’t nosedive, that point will give the Isles a bit of a boost. A boost whose effect will be lessened as the number of data points continue to rise.
Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Nov 30, 2011 9:14 AM EST reply actions
It doesn't get easier
December looks brutal. CHI and DAL twice, PIT, NYR, TBL. Only a couple of soft teams (or maybe there just aren’t that many “soft” teams?). Anyway, I truly feel like last year’s team is back with some additional plusses. Once they start converting those chances, they should be tough to beat. Unfortunately we may have left too many points on the table n the early part of the season.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 30, 2011 9:31 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Dallas without Lehtonen
Shouldn’t be too big of an obstacle. (Well, relatively anyway.)
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Son of Nystrom is going off in the Big D right now.
i watch them a bit, that’s a heck of a hockey team.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 30, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
Jamie Benn has been a force for my fantasy team
Him Ryder, Souray and Eriksson are playing like animals
"Mario Lemiuex… I used to respect you."- Turgeon1992
I approve for Jamie Benn
Guy has been a monster on my fantasy team as well. Probably my strongest forward
/glares at Ovechkin and Getzlaf
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by Fabtraption on Nov 30, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
I know how you feel
My starting RW for the season were Corey Perry (who has since stepped his game up a bit) and Jarome Iginla. I started off to an 0-4 start mostly because of them lol
And just an example of how ass backwards this season is, my friend seriously asked if i would trade him James Neal for Ovechkin, if he had said that 2 months ago it wouldve been a done deal. Now, i think ill keep Neal lol
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I'm considering putting Ovechkin on the block
He hasn’t been the same player at all this year. Hopefully he’ll play a little better with Hunter coaching him – we all know what happens when Hunter gets pissed, so…
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by Fabtraption on Nov 30, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
I cannot hear "Jamie Benn"
Without thinking of Jame Gumb.
.
Great player. Size 16, is it?
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It puts the biscuit in the basket
Or else it gets the bag skate again.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Nov 30, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
DONT YOU HURT MY CORSI
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by Keith Quinn on Nov 30, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I got a bunch of them too
But more than that, I just like them. They have everything you would want. A good goalie, they’re tough, and they have guys who score. Not to mention their the 3rd closest NHL city to me.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 30, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
The Stars are a nice, hard-working team
But they’re doing it through a lot of baring down and leaning on Lehtonen. They’re starting to fall back to where they should be right now.
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When you're 28th in the league
most games are going to be difficult.
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by Fabtraption on Nov 30, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Puck Daddy
All hail Al Montoya(notes), who was brilliant in the New York Islanders’ 2-1 win at the Buffalo Sabres. Matt Moulson(notes) and Brian Rolston(notes) had the goals, with Jochen Hecht(notes) scoring for the home team. Montoya made 30 saves, including a couple on this sequence:
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nice :)
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 30, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
IMO, All is right in Islander world today!
El Cubano Grande is our #1 netminder and RDP is NOT.
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by Russel Ginart on Nov 30, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
I dont understand why on earth anyone thought he was.
I think there are too many Isles fans obsessed with Rick DiPietro.
If you are worried about someone else getting starts, watch when Nabokov gets back again.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 30, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
TMC back in the Newsday blog
We had a discussion with others way back then regarding Luongo and DiPietro. Most people (way back then) would have taken Luongo over RDP. At that time I disagreed because Luongo had won absolutely nothing. So I along with others would NOT have traded RDP for Luongo. That was then and this is now after how many injuries, surgeries….can see that there is no comparison. RDP is a shell of his former goaltending self. LONG live EL CUBANO GRANDE!
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by Russel Ginart on Nov 30, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Luongo still hasnt accomplished anyhting in the NHL.
And he’s been playing backup all season, too… at twice the price of DiPietro, AND signed until he is 43 (years later than Rick, too)
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 30, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Oh no
Are we going to go lather, rinse, repeat on DiPietro-Luongo-who’s-#1 today? :)
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The debates and discussions have been very pleasant
and a breathe of fresh air. Can we impose a “no goalie dicussion” rule for this comments section ;)
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by Chris McNally on Nov 30, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
I think
we should talk about the Lighthouse Project. THAT is something Islanders fans have had very few discussions about.
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LOL!!!!!!
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 30, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Some definition
of not having accomplished anything.
I wish the Islanders had any goalie player the past 10 years who had accomplished so little.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
by afrosupreme on Nov 30, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Luongo can kiss my ASS.
Overrated choke artist.
Love him all you want.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 30, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
I don't love him at all
but saying he’s accomplished nothing is patently false.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
Nothing that impresses me- better?
I would HATE to have Luongo signed to that contract- hate it.
I sincerely believe he has mental problems.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 30, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't want Luongo on that contract either
But answer this-would you rather have Luongo on DP’s contract?
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
Id rather have nobody on such a long contract.
But if it was Luongo in that exact same situation, you think he would be all humble and cooperative and accepting of things like Ricks being? Mr TirePump C-chin himself?
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 30, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Hard to say
too many variables, though I haven’t yet heard anything about Luongo complaining about sitting for Schneider right now.
One thing since I know you hate conspiracies, please let’s stop talking about how he was made captain as if it was something he did on his own. Would you rather he have denied the organization when they asked him to do it?
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
Would you rather he have denied the organization when they asked him to do it?
Would I look more favorably on him turning down an extremely dopey fake Captaincy? Absolutely. But that was just the kind of tire pumping he wanted.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 30, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
I sincerely believe he has mental problems.
Well…he is a goalie…
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by Fabtraption on Nov 30, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Even for a goalie he is mental lol.
Comapre the finals goalies last year. They both had normal goalie nuttiness, but above and beyond that Luongo was a mental case compared to Thomas.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 30, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
he should go see a sports psychologist like Artest
You wouldn't believe how good the Corsi is for my NHL 12 Be A Pro player.
Back then YES
Today we would all be nuts if we chose beaten-down-often-injured-RDP over Luongo.
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by Russel Ginart on Nov 30, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
I was totally going to write an "Oh yeah!?" post
I could’ve swore Luongo won a Vezina or two a few years back, but apparently not. So I’m just going to go on my merry way…
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Theres a mention of drinking the Kool Aid below somewhere
You can use your “Oh Yeah!” post there if you’d like
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by Chris McNally on Nov 30, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Trying....so hard...
…to not….post…my rebuttal….
by Dorfer on Nov 30, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
An incredibly important weekend in Islander-land
When was the last time we had a clear #1 who wasn’t RDP? Almost 10 years? It feels like Cappy is actually getting to pick his goalie based on on-ice play. Praise Bossy.
Roloson?
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 30, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Roloson was excellent a couple seasons ago for Isles.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 30, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Eh, I feel like Montoya is more "ours" though
Roloson was good before he got here. Montoya was basically rehabilitated here and I feel like he’ll be here for a while. For me, as much as I loved Roloson, I finally feel like we have a keeper keeper.
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Eh, I feel like Montoya is more “ours” though
It is interesting to think about this much: Roloson came here intentionally and signed a multiyear deal, while Montoya was traded here and had no say in it. (Although you can see he is very happy about it now!)
But I do know what youre saying… since he really got his start here, he could be ours in the way Kenny Jonsson or Grabs or Moulson are ours. Works for me.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 1, 2011 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
Right, it's interesting
Because Roloson was in some ways the ultimate mercenary, coming to the Isles because Snow was essentially willing to over-commit (offered him a two-year deal when no one else did) and mad an apparent pledge to trade him if the team was floundering.
I was a big fan of the signing at the time because of that mutual back-scratching, but it does make him seem more like a mercenary.
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Whats so different about Roloson than any other UFA? Dont they all tend to do that if they can?
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 1, 2011 8:36 AM EST up reply actions
Roloson?
Feel free to disagree…but I never believed Roloson was #1 over RDP, just that he was keeping the crease warm for him. And I don’t recall ever feeling like [insert coach’s name] was within his rights to ride Rollie over a healthy DP without looking over his shoulder, which seems to be happening now. That’s my point.
Well, we're talking about an ambiguous fan touchy-feely concept here
But in terms of what separated Roloson, he was looking for a final pay day that also extended his career. Whereas Weight came in not wanting to be another rental flipped to a contender (been there, done that), Roloson very much wanted to be one if/when things didn’t work out.
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Somehow, I think of Guerin as more of a mercenary than Roloson
Probably not a fair assessment, though. I do think that the Isles did right by the both of them however.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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I could buy that interpretation
And agree the Isles did right by both of them. Guerin was, ahhh, well compensated and well treated for his time spent here.
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absolutely
And he could not have even dreamed of a more perfect situation than the one the Isles placed him into.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 2, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
I love the power rankings that say “Islanders are the worst team in the league” but then have them moving up from last weeks spot…
"Matty Mo thinks it's different. He must be extra high today." BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Moulson's response to Isles black jerseys.
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by Mark D on Nov 30, 2011 9:55 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
EXCLUSIVE: Original notes of CBC's Power Rankings discovered
The Islanders entry reads:
As one journalist told me the other day, “I don’t care what the stats are, the Islanders are the worst team in the NHL.” Of course, I would never watch an Islanders game, so I had to ask someone. I mean, I’m sure they’re awful and all anyway. They’ve basically had the same team since 1995, right? Nothing ever changes there and they’ll be terrible forever. Also, the journalist I spoke to writes for the NY Times and was a former employee of the Islanders who says that Garth Snow is a big old fart face who stinks of farts and farts a lot. Also, they don’t score a lot of goals.
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by PGI on Nov 30, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
This writer also wondered
Why did Buffalo fail to show up against Montoya? Did Montoya just get lucky? Then he launched into a story about Yash and Buffalo Wings. And then I fell asleep.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 30, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like Botta
But have to admit sometimes he says a thing or two that are just strange:
This tweet for earlier this week:
ChrisBottaNHL Chris Botta
Charles Wang’s comments to @StapeNewsday – latest confirmation he doesn’t want to work with the best or give autonomy
.
He says that Charles doesn’t want to work with the best or give autonomy. Wasn’t he sort of praised at the time for doing exactly that with Mike Milburry?
If you want to have certain things u have to pay for them and if Charles Wang is in a position where he simply cannot spend for spendings sake….then Garth and Charles are doing the right thing. The #Isles can’t make $$$ in their curent situation (its impossible), so operating at the the cap floor is the way to go. Until some franchise stability can be established (New Arena), letting the kids learn and develop is the way to operate and prepare for the day when things do turn around for them.
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He also called the Rolston deal "wacko"
I don’t understand a lot of the things he says.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 30, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Rolston deal is what it is
Its not wacko b/c he does serve a specific purpose for the isles. Rolston has not been terrible overrall thus far.
Also, he is only signed for 1 year.
I don’t understand certain things with these NHL media guys. In the the NHL (and salary cap systems in general)….sometimes a bad contract for one team is a good contract for another.
Which is why I get confused when people were jumping around when someone brought up the remote idea of trading for Kaberle using the “its a terrible contract” reasoning.
That is a terrible contract for the #Isles? How is that a terrible contract for the #isles? Over the next three years are the Isles gonna suddenly be approaching thr cap ceiling where a contract like that would hurt or hinder them? NO….NEVER.
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The only reason the Rolston contract is good for the Isles
is because he’s signed for one season. If he was signed for longer, then yeah I would definitely have a problem with it.
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by Fabtraption on Nov 30, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You mean like Trent Hunter's contract?
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 30, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
Though he was signed years ago and just didn’t live up to his contract. It’s different when you’re trading for somebody else’s FA mistake.
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by Fabtraption on Nov 30, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
What irks me
is I was watching the Flames game last night and the broadcast team said that the Flames had been in trade talks with the Islanders for weeks about Blake Comeau, but when they couldn’t come to an agreement, the Isles ended up waiving him and the Flames got him for free.
They seemed to be inferring that the Flames were trying to send salary back in a deal. So the Isles will pick up a garbage contract for some over-the-hill fossil (I realize he’s playing better but that doesn’t change what he is) but they won’t pick up the contract of someone who most likely would’ve been a better player bc they already have said garbage contract.
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by Chris McNally on Nov 30, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Did they intimate what fossil they wanted the Islanders to take?
Or is there an educated guess we can make? I’m curious.
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I dont know if it was a fossil. They didn't mention any names.
but I know the Flames are completely frustrated with Matt Stajan and Rene Bourque. I’m not saying Id want Stajan or that either player was mentioned, but if a team is in discussions for weeks about a player, don’t you think you could’ve got something of value in return instead of just letting him walk because you don’t want to take on more salary.
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by Chris McNally on Nov 30, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Yeesh
They’re both playing absolutely terribly this season and the Isles have enough forwards in the system to make me want to take a pass on the both of them. If they were willing to trade a UFA/RFA, I’d look into that.
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Honestly I would take Bourque and his 6 goals
and release Rolston. I’d rather have Bourque on Bailey’s wing than Rolston. But that’s just me.
And again who knows if he was even one of the players offered.
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by Chris McNally on Nov 30, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Bourque's six goals are better than Comeau's zippola
But you’re still signing on for four-and-a-half more years of Bourque at a pretty high cap hit and hoping he comes back to life.
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I probably would've taken Bourque but he's signed for SO long
Most of the Flames’ other baggage they were looking to dump, I probably wouldn’t even consider, they just have so many bad contracts. Wonder if they tried to dump Babchuk on us?
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How much more salary would you take back though
Comeau was making 2.5 mil. If you’re talking about 4 mil a year for a different 40 point enigma, that sucks. I’m sure at this point, the Flames aren’t going to be parting with any of their picks. Their system is for shit and their players are Comeau or worse level>
This excludes the ideas of Boumeester and Iginla…I figure they’re off the table.
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How I'm looking at it is
not so much replacing Comeau, bc as it happened, we let him walk and didn’t replace him with someone coming back.
But what they could’ve done was gotten a player back and replaced Rolston. Send Roslton packing. I realize we’d still have to pay him but if we take back $4 mil in salary we’re only adding $1.5 mil.
There HAD to have been someone coming back that would’ve been an upgrade over Rolston. To me that would’ve been a sign that they actually want to improve the team instead of keep the team salary as low as possible and only have a guy on the team to help us make the cap floor.
It may be a totally unrealistic theory. But in my mind it works out :)
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by Chris McNally on Nov 30, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
But what they could’ve done was gotten a player back and replaced Rolston. Send Roslton packing. I realize we’d still have to pay him but if we take back $4 mil in salary we’re only adding $1.5 mil.
I’m no fan of Rolston, but he still may be better, or at least a better fit here than some of those other guys. If you consider it that way, now you’re spending 6.5 million for Rolstonian production.
I would’ve like to have gotten something back for BC too, but hey, we’re 2-1 since he left! (Kidding…kind of) I just don’t think you improve much with most of the Calgary roster. Also, you’re taking on their NMCs and NTCs so you may get stuck with them.
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by Keith Quinn on Nov 30, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thats true
NMC’s and NTC’s for guys with 5 yr deals is a total no-no.
Ironically Calgary is 2-1 since claiming Comeau.
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by Chris McNally on Nov 30, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
No doubt
A trade that helped both teams.
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That is like rain on my wedding day!
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Those are the worst
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Not as bad as reading Alanis Morisette lyrics.
OK- whats worse is that I KNOW they are Alanis Morisette lyrics.
The only thing that chicks done that I like is play god.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 30, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Alanis IS HOT, who care about anything else. lol
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by Russel Ginart on Nov 30, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
TMC you know tha lyrics?
Isn’t it ironic, don’t you think?
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by Russel Ginart on Nov 30, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
More pathetic than ironic lmao.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 30, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
She was also in a few episodes of Weeds.
She was alright. But if she is God, then music in heaven sucks! Don’t ya think;)
I wonder what kind of music is playing in Hell?
by Isle in Topanga on Nov 30, 2011 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
I have a sinking feeling Id like it better lol.
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by TheMetalChick on Dec 1, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
serious moment
There’s a theory that Hell is not the region of music, but of noise – relentless, maddening, and inescapable – after a couple of weeks we’d be begging for anything else, even Nickelback or Live is Life.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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But...but...if you paid then the ride isn't...
Never mind.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 30, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
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And I approve this message.
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Yeah I was wondering the same thing as Idiot
Calgary is filled with terrible contracts, who did they expect the Isles to take back?
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by Fabtraption on Nov 30, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
A quick look at Capgeek tells me that
Tanguay and Bourque have the longest contracts with the highest cap hits (Tanguay’s $3.5 mil/5 years and Bourque is $3.33mil/5 years). My guess is Feaster probably wanted to dump one of them on the Islanders. Both have some kind of no-movement clause, though.
I’m totally pulling all this out of my ass, but no matter how much cap room the Islanders have, I’d really not a big chunk of it tied up with either of them until 2016. Especially with a new CBA around the corner.
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by PGI on Nov 30, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously
why did Feaster give Tanguay a 5-year deal? I don’t understand GMs sometimes.
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This was the guy who couldn't get a two year deal the year before
Calgary fans are calling for Feasters head 100 times more than people do Snow’s around Islanders country.
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by Chris McNally on Nov 30, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
And he's 32!
and their highest point producer!
5-year deals should only be given to TEH CORE.
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Sadly
that is TEHIR CORE
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Was that him or Darryl Sutter?
The no-movement clause bonanza over there is unconscionable to me. Shit on Garth all you want, but handcuffing yourself to all those players is just madness.
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I'd rather be top-2 pick bad for three years
than mediocre for 10 years. They’re such a mess over there.
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They really do look like
the Isles when they had Comrie and Guerin and Fedotenko on the team. They don’t have many prospects and a bunch of average veterans with bad contracts.
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by Chris McNally on Nov 30, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
The Island of Misfit Toys model
But again, at least Comrie and those dudes were signed short term. Had they worked out, they probably would have been extended. I liked a few of them (Comrie, Viktor Kozlov), but like Fab says, I’d rather really suck and get some prospects than muddle along with a bunch of OK veterans.
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by PGI on Nov 30, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Kozlov was a lot better than I thought he would be.
At times it was like, “Wow!” At least he brought some excitement to games, and if I remember correctly, he usually gave a good effort.
Did he have 5 goals in one game for Isles, or am I thinking of someone else (likely for some other team)?
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 30, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Four goals against the Rangers in one game
I kept texting my Ranger fan friend “VIKTOR!” over and over. It was pretty hilarious. He was another who was maddeningly inconsistent, but still, as a reasonably-priced UFA he was OK in my book.
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Yeah
except imagine if Comrie and Fedotenko were signed to 5 year deals.
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Ye gods
The horror.
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We would have had three or four 1st overall picks!
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 30, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Good point
I didn’t realize Bourque was signed for 5 years. I wouldn’t touch any overpaid player if it was for more than this year and next.
But here’s the thing, even though Rolston is coming off the books, we’re still going to have to replace him with someone else. Sure we have a couple guys up for a raise next year, but there’s still going to be a spot or two where we’ll need to fill it with a FA.
And if we’re just going to keep filling it with Rolston’s, I’d rather Bourque and his 20 goals each year.
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by Chris McNally on Nov 30, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Rolston can easily be replaced
$3 million for Frans + $2 million for PAP + $2 million for Montoya. The UFAs the Isles are going to want to keep are gonna get paid. The ELCs for Strome and Nino will be in effect. There will be no cap muling next year to reach the floor.
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I hope not
but I don’t think, if P.A. hits 50 points again, that he’ll go cheaper than $3 mil. Comeau got $2.5 this year and he was restricted so no one was bidding on him. You have to wonder if Snow is going to want to pay that price for P.A. wituh guys like Nino or Strome as possible replacements.
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by Chris McNally on Nov 30, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
I could see PAP re-signing here easily
It really depends on him. After the season he had last year, he easily could’ve signed somewhere else for more than his incredibly modest salary of $1.25 million. If PAP wants to Jason Blake his way to a hefty payday, he’ll definitely get paid. But if he believes in the club like Moulson did and drinks the Kool-Aid and stays with the Isles, I can definitely see Garth giving him a $2 – $3 million deal.
My numbers in the last post were just estimates. I have no idea how much these guys are going to be worth come the offseason, but I have a feeling they’ll all earn modest raises from Garth.
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I think PAP definitely buys into what the Isles are building here.
He also doesnt seem like the type of guy who would easily forget what team believed in him and let him play with a true star in the making like JT.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 30, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
I thought Jason Blake would feel the same way
I hope P.A. sticks around. It’s funny how 95% of us just looked at him as someone keeping a spot warm until the younger players were ready and now we’re all hoping he signs on for longer.
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by Chris McNally on Nov 30, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
As much as I want to hate Blake for leaving
you can’t begrudge the guy for signing the deal he did with Toronto. He had a couple of good seasons with TO, but still – what do you expect when you sign a 34 year old to a 5-year contract?
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I hope so
PAP’s been an A+ guy the past two years he’s been here. The fact that he’s been vocal in the locker room and gives his all on the ice definitely puts a lot of hope that he’ll re-sign in the offseason and get a reasonable deal out of it.
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Isn't Moulson more expendable than PAP?
Has PAP not proven that yet? In my mind he brings more to the table overall. Moulson seems more replaceable to me.
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by IslesFanInNJ on Nov 30, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
PAP has been much better this season than Moulson
But Moulson has looked better the past few games. (Right about the time that PAP was returned to the 1st line.)
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 30, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Moulson has looked better the past few games. (Right about the time that PAP was returned to the 1st line.)
COINCIDENCE???!?!!?
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 30, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
I agree, I mentioned this a week ago or more.
PAP has been our second best player this year. Very consistent and he seems to do a lot of little things well. I like Moulson, and he scores goals, but other that, he’s fairly one-dimensional.
That's a tough one
Moulson has that shooting talent that you need to get from somebody. Enters the whole “this guy provides possession, but this guy actually gets and buries chances” debate.
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But that's why we have Okp-...um...Grabn-...um
Oh forget it
Success was survival and, kid, it still is
by IslesFanInNJ on Nov 30, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Barneys film had heart, but football in the groin had a football in the groin.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 30, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Botta's still got his knickers in a twist over his credentials
Of course, he may have a point, but it just sounds like sour grapes coming from him.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Like I said about Larry Brooks
If they have a better plan for rebuilding the team, then let’s hear it. Free agents don’t sign here for whatever reason. Maybe a new coach? But that only goes so far and he’ll still be working with who Capuano is working with. Wang’s not going to just reach into his wallet and shell out for a new arena himself if he still has to pay rent to Nassau County. It’s rough, but the Islanders have no choice but to ride out their prospects for now.
Also, he continually takes Garth to task on every single move or non-move he makes. Now he wants to give him total autonomy? OK…
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When Botta goes to a KIA Dealership and insists on paying the price of a Benz to own a KIA,
I’ll respect his point.
I don’t understand the autonomy comment…
I think the autonomy comment
was a dig as in, “Garth is his yes man, but a different guy like Neil Smith or [insert heroic GM here] would demand autonomy.”
That’s how I read it, anyway. But ack, Twitter and its lack of context. It’s where “Let’s eat, grandpa” and “Let’s eat grandpa” become indistinguishable.
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That is Fair Dom
Twitter is tough….hard to read what he meant exactly by that. Your take is probably just as viable.
Question: How much does a New Arena change some of these elements? Does a new arena change the business direction of the team 180 degrees?
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I think every piece is a contributor, and an arena would def. help
Every franchise faces a selection of variables, the Islanders just happen to have every single one going against them: The arena (and facilities), the lonstanding reputation hits that trace back to Milbury-Spano-Wang-Yashin-Backup Goalie-15-year-goalie, the fact visitors’ impression of L.I. is a depressing arena in a parking lot combined with a dreary commute to the airport, and of course location uncertainty.
When people say, “I don’t buy the arena excuse, money talks” or whatever excuse they don’t buy, I feel like that’s being willfully blind to the likelihood that all of these factors contribute to a whole that makes a player, or a coach, less likely to sign here than just about anywhere else. Even Florida has a nice building and a fantastic new practice facility, as well as the allure of weather and the beach.
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It does seem that here more than other places though....
An Arena would really make a huge difference. If done in a well thought out project like the Lighthouse Projecvt or as part of an entertainment destination (i.e. Belmont), Long island has so much to attract to these guys.
I know the isles would never be like the Rags or Bruins with their Market/Location but I would just liek the isles to be able to pull the trigger when the right do it is possible.
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When I looked out my hotel window in the morning and saw the Coli
I was anything but depressed. ;o)
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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 30, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Haha
You and me both. If only more had that lens.
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I know
Talk like you know the realirties that are in play here Chris. We know that you know the truths here.
Its not like you don’t know the realities that the Isles have to deal with.
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Its Funny
Because the Isles are in a position now where they have no choice but to do what every team/GM that ever ran a rebuild should have done but never had the patience/guts to do……STICK WITH THE KIDS FOR A LONG WHILE AND LET THEM DEVELOP AND LEARN TOGETHER.
These GMs in sports….they talk about rebuilds and whatever but as soon as any opportunity of any kind comes along to spend $$ to speed the progres along, they go ahead and spend.
This rebuild is being done the right way. They are developing these kids TOGETHER.
It is tough…but suddenly…things will get much better much faster and then a “Named Player” is gonna look and Say….“I want to be a Part of that”
The Isles are not there yet…but they are getting closer every day. Lets hope that we can remain as healthy as possible.
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Chris Botta, JUST SAY NO!
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by Russel Ginart on Nov 30, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
I was happy to hear that Jack is looking for xtra D for the trip
Hamonic (who the last two games played like a #1) and Streit have separated themselves on that D and established temselves as the top 2 for sure.
AMac is just not the same…hes not bad…but hasn’t looked good either. Although the least two games he seems to have limited the mistakes moreso.
I have to believe that Wishart would be the call-up no? That is who I would like to see.
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Thanks!
Crap, I’m an idiot.
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I know our front office isn't perfect
and I certainly represent the type of fan that doesn’t know about advanced stats, etc., but if Montoya is as good as he seems, when you combine that with Grabs and Moulson, I would say that having a GM that steals you a franchise-type player each year is a pretty good thing.
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by CharlieIsles on Nov 30, 2011 10:30 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
Staios & Pandolfo
also, give Garth some credit for these 2 guys, who have both been effective in their roles
signing both also sends a message to future UFAs that if they come to camp, they will get a real shot at making the team
a win-win move by Snow
by Cary K on Nov 30, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
Garth does seem to have an eye for the type of character guys that he wants to bring in.
These vets are unselfish and can teach these kids how to make a living in the game for a long time. Not the most talented but get PT because they are coah’s dreams b/c they (in the words of Pat Flatley): Consistently execute the proper fundamentals.
Make smart plays and are responsible defensively.
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I do think that's why coaches gravitate to them
they are coah’s dreams b/c they (in the words of Pat Flatley): Consistently execute the proper fundamentals.
With all the things a coach has to worry about, I think they tend to take comfort — too much comfort — in the security or assumption that veterans are always doing the fundamental things right. I bet that’s why Rolston gets so much close-and-late ice time. Cappy checks that off his to-do list and probably doesn’t notice as much when Rolston makes a mistake.
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The Guy scores a goal last night............
and now the Ralston deal looks good. Ok these guys are vets and aren’t going to crap their pants every night, – but there are other vets out their that can contrubute more and Snow didn’t fill the balanks in with them and so we wait on our kids and the rebuild for another year.Was it money that we didn’t have or that they hated the Marriot, or was it our arener [as they say in the Bronx?]
Ehrhoff
shows that Snow was trying to do the right thing this offseason
arguably, he tried and failed to get who he wanted, and also successfully avoided any and all Barry Zitos he could have tripped over
would be nice if he made a move soon – am guessing there’s a plan to take on some salary near the halfway point, in advance of next season, if the team is competitive by game 40 or so
Bobby Ryan time?
from OC Register article:
Canada-based Sportsnet reported that the Ducks are shopping Ryan while the New York Post reported the New York Rangers are among many teams that have either shown interest or are actively making offers.
Asked if Ryan is on the trade market, Ducks general manager Bob Murray would only say “at any time if we get offered a deal on any player that makes this team better, we would have to take a long, hard look at that.”
According to Dreger on TSN’s Insider Trading a GM told him [@ 1:35] scroll down to to hit Insider Trading link, doesn’t load right away.
“it would take a Top Forward (likely a Center), a quality defenseman and a draft pick”
Frans, Streit, 2012 1st Rounder?
throw in Nabokov for Dan Ellis (1-3-0 .929 SV%) as $1m sweetner and a prospect?
here’s Ducks capgeek page
That sounds like a bit much for just one guy.
I know Streit hasn’t come back 100% from last year’s shoulder injury, but he’s still quite good and we need to add to him, rather than replace him. And life without Frans? [shudders]
I’m sure that line is just an opening offer and they’d settle for less.
Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Nov 30, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Bobby Ryan
Is not worth all that h would require IMO.
The isles ahve agood rebuild working IMO….Patience is still the way to go.
Bobby Ryan is one Player and wont make that much of a difference for the Isles.
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But I'd take him over 35-year old Iginla
Even if he did cost a little more than Iginla.
It would be a tough call trading Streit, Nielsen, and Isles 2012 1st round pick for him. If Isles had more depth on D and defensemen who were further along in development, it may be a smart deal, but I don’t think Isles can afford to lose Streit or AMac unless they bring in another top-4 defenseman. (And Hamonic is pretty much untouchable right now.)
Would FnGO line function the same the last few games without Frans? Will the upcoming 1st round pick become an important piece for the rebuild?
I think giving up all 3 of these pieces for Bobby Ryan (as good as he is) would be a mistake right now. He’s capable of being a point-a-game power forward, but he only has 11 pts in 23 games right now— and he’s playing with perhaps two of the best 20 forwards in the league! Not exactly a “sell high” candidate for the Ducks.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 30, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Oh Please.....Let the Rangers trade for him
Thats the kind of move Sather loves to make and then regrets 2 years later.
Bobby Ryan makes a lot of $$$$. Rags would havew to give up young core pieces to get him (plus 1st rounders)
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by FB4Real on Nov 30, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I get the feeling
This whole Ryan trade business is a smoke screen to try and jostle the Ducks out of their funk. They’ve lost a bunch of games in one month…so they trade a core player who’s locked up for a few years? Makes no sense. I’d be really surprised if he goes anywhere.
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Holy shit
If you trade Mark Streit, then the D would be a complete fucking mess.
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by Fabtraption on Nov 30, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed
They struggle with their transition game, and Streit is the best of the bunch at that.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 30, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Can the Rangers afford Ryan?
I’d say Dibo/Cizikas and a First. You get two prospects who are close to being NHL ready. Maybe one more middle of the pack prospect who isn’t out of Juniors/College or Joensuu.
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If they give up Dubinsky, Ryan’s not a problem cap wise. May have to do some bookkeeping moves like waiving Wolski, but it’d be an easy fit.
Otherwise, no, they can’t afford him.
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by George E. Ays on Nov 30, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
A millimillion? Is that $100?
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 30, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, got it. Roman numeral for 1000 is m.
So mathematically mm = one million.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 30, 2011 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
It depends on what their motivations are. Allegedly they want a top 6 forward, a dman, and a prospect in return.
That doesn’t read like a salary dump. It looks like they may even take on salary as long as it fills out their depth a bit better.
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by George E. Ays on Nov 30, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
That's too much
We don’t have that kind of depth. If somehow it could be mostly based around a prospect and a pick, then I say go for it.
Isn’t Jeff Carter something of a comparable player? He in essence went for a somewhat disappointing prospect, a first and a third.
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by afrosupreme on Nov 30, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's the problem
The Islanders don’t have a lopsided allocation of assets, they have a dearth of (NHL-ready) assets, period. So any trade that makes sense for Anaheim would only plug one hole for the Isles while opening up others.
Trade Frans, your center depth just cratered. Trade Streit, you’re down to two quality D-men. Unless the Ducks are taking prospects, the Islanders have to wait a few years before they can play this game.
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by Dominik on Nov 30, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The Islanders don’t have a lopsided allocation of assets, they have a dearth of (NHL-ready) assets, period.
A year from now, this will no longer be true!
/drools
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by Fabtraption on Nov 30, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's probably a good comparable.
Who is comparable with Voracek in value? Moulson? PAP?
If it costs Isles their 2012 1st round pick to upgrade the 1st line and finally have an elite winger to feed, it may be worth it.
But is Ryan a big upgrade? He’s been playing with two of the NHL’s best forwards the past couple seasons. He has outscored Moulson 146 to 114 in the past 200 or so games. That doesn’t sound like that much of an upgrade, considering his line mates.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 30, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Bailey, de Haan and 2013 1st Rounder
That should get it done…..but I don’t want to do that.
by barry_hal_oliver_24 on Nov 30, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
This is predictable
The Isles start playing better and win a couple of games, and NOW suddenly they’re terrible? Do these guys get all their info reading ESPN Magazine in their doctor’s waiting room?
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Nov 30, 2011 10:31 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
To be fair
…the rankings came out before last night, right?
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 30, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
Most of them are posted on Tuesday during the day. CBC was lagging the others, but it seems this week they joined the crowd.
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Yeah++++
Don’t expect the Isles to jump up to 10th in the rankings after last nights game either. Rankings means nothing to me, in fact they always appear to be just wining % rankings. If the Isles win the next four games then they will be .500 club and will be ranked right up there in 22nd with Montreal.
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by Russel Ginart on Nov 30, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
I love Butchie
Way to analyze the highlights… “Watch this, now… and watch what happens with this. And here are two saves!”
Remember that time when we were on the Islanders together, and you scored that goal while you were falling horizontally?
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That was great.
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by mikb on Nov 30, 2011 10:50 AM EST reply actions 7 recs
Kind of off topic, but reminds me of this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncR2_pnzngM
Arnold “commentary” consists of him entirely describing the action as if we are blind. “Dis is me doing the kissing and da hugging.”
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 30, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Oh, and this is a great comment
And this is where I reply to the comment.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Beav and mikb are replying to one anothers comments here.
They are saying things to one another, back and forth, each of them responding to what the other says.
Its a good day to be a LHH fan.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 30, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is a great discussion right hee-ya
I use TMC as a human shield and there is lots of commenting going back and forth. It’s great, really.
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by Dominik on Nov 30, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I'm going to jump into the discussion with this comment
Even though I have nothing worth while to add, being Dominik mentioned above that this is a great discussion, I want to make sure I’m part of it by adding this reply
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by Chris McNally on Nov 30, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And he-ah is me wit da recing of da comments and dese tings
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 30, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
And he-ah is where DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) come sin
See, hiz name is like dat because DP has hurt all dose tings and some utter tings too, so you see dat in his name, and dat’s why he’s is called dat, because of those tings. It’s fantastic, really.
I like how I look in dis scene.
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by Dominik on Nov 30, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Great job by all.....
Dominique, DP’sankle, ChadMcNalls, TheFolkChick, LesChipmunk, MikC.
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by CharlieIsles on Nov 30, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
And he-ah
Is whe-ah I continue wit dis joke aft-uh everyone else has moved on talking about da anderz lee, da trading wit da bobby ryan and deze tings and i continue to beat da joke to da ground. you can tell dis because nobody is laughing anymoah.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 30, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Butchie bit needs more rec's
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Butchie needs more rec's, dammit!
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Hey, not everybody can be Chuck Kaiton.
Actually, The Voice of God Hockey Night in Hartford can never be equaled, but dammit, there’s something about Butchie that reminds me of the times when Andre Lacroix would do color with Chuck on the 1080 broadcasts and, well, I just get a little choked up is all…
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by BrassBonanza10 on Nov 30, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
Is there a soundboard of Butchisms?
He could be as famous around here as Ralph Kiner, or Jerry Coleman, the former Padres play-by-play man.
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Big Al is playing GREAT, but....
…..this team is going to HAVE to score more goals.
As much as I want and hope to believe Montoya can keep up the pace he’s doing right now I have to think he’ll regress a bit. Not every game is going to be 2-1 or 1-0 games.
Offense is going to have to pick it up. Can’t rely on just the MM-JT-PAP line all the time. C’mon Lines 2 thur 4, help our boys out!!
by barry_hal_oliver_24 on Nov 30, 2011 11:09 AM EST reply actions
But they are starting to help out
Okposo has looked much better. Grabner is still doing the Grabner thing. The Ullstrom-Bailey-Rolston line has started to click the last couple games. The goals will come. There was at least 2 posts last night and at least 2 goal-line saves. The team is playing more confidently in general. What we DO need is back-line scoring. Streit cannot be the only defensemen getting pucks to the net (to that effect last night looked promising too…I think Jurcina had 6 shots).
No Sleep 'til....Belmont?
Backline scoring
Was thinking about that last night. Not many chances for AMac and Hamonic, but I guess that’s the price of constantly having them against the opponent’s big weapons.
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I thought Hamonic ...
had one of his best games last night.
He showed some fancy stickhandling on one rush
Pretty impressive
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 30, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Hammers shots hit the net, they get blocked.
Can one be an atheist toward a hockey team? That means I have NO faith anymore.
by Turgeon1992 on Nov 30, 2011 1:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed. I think he was one of the few actually getting shots on net earlier in the season.
His shot selection is afr better than Jurcina’s, but I have no statistical evidence to prove this.
Yea
Our first line hasn’t been to productive lately, eyes on JT. But to be fair he is playing awesome. He’s got to start finishing though the goals are what wins the games. But also to be fair, every time is hounding him, always seems hes working his way around 2 or 3 guys.
Constantly building for the future.
Well
When your team is shut out 6 times and you drafted a goal scorer like Nino….I believe fans have the right to question why is this guy not playing.
Some folks wanna compare it to the Tyler S in Boston….well, the Isles dnt have the depth that Boston has.
And Nino
isn’t the player Seguin is.
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by Keith Quinn on Nov 30, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Shhhh
you’re going to shatter a lot of dreams here by saying that out loud
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by Chris McNally on Nov 30, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Of course everyone should question why he isn't playing
I think jumping to the conclusion that it’s punishment or unfair is a mistake, though.
In short: I think most fans overestimate how ready Nino is. I think the Islanders are still trying to figure out how ready he is, and this is part of the process.
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I agree Dom
But Im compelled to defend the guy.
to my fellow Islander fan Keith, Marty Reasoner is no Patrice Bergeron…
Of course not
all the more reason to make sure defensive responsibility is highlighted. Nino is a classic tweener right now. I’d love to see him playing and if the rest of the team was playing far better or if the season was completely in the tank, I suspect we would see him more.
But given the state that the team is in, and his skill set, I don’t much have a problem with a slow introduction.
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one supposes
they gave Nino that time off, as they still haven’t ruled out Portland if he doesn’t improve
the games off allowed him to study and watch “Strome style”
perhaps they need to see a bit more soon or its back to the WHL
Dibenedetto could be more ready
The money rules Portland out, Cary.
The Isles would have to somehow bring in a few mil in salary if they sent Nino back.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 30, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
Now that we know the Isles were talking with Calgary about Comeau, if they were going to bring on Salary they would have dealt Comeau and taken on one of the Flames ridiculous deals
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Right
If Portland is still a possibility (I doubt it from their end, but I don’t think it should be ruled out yet), they could easily be gauging the market for how to make the money work.
It could be as simple as calling a D bonus baby up from BPT, and I think Nino’s development is the greater reason to scratch him this past week; but if they think they might need to replace his salary, they’re surely checking into what other cap mules are out there.
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Nino last night
Number of goals for Nino: 0
Number of goals given up due to Nino backchecking mistake: 1
He’s 19. He needs to learn the game first. The Islanders should not put winning at the risk of developing a rookie at the pro level. He’ll get his minutes, but at this age he absolutely should be sheltered. Throwing Josh Bailey on the 1st line his freshman year hindered his development, so the Isles shouldn’t do the same to Nino.
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by Fabtraption on Nov 30, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yep, much to learn
He’s not a take over the game type player (WJC aside). He’s a guy with a lot of really nice tools, and if he learns the full NHL game, those tools are going to stick out and shine.
Had an exchange with a reporter who covered him in Portland. (More on this later, hopefully.) Among the reporter’s thoughts:
“Some of us out here don’t quite get that [”he already dominated juniors"] line of thinking because, as much as I like Nino and as good as he was here, he never really “dominated” the WHL. Not even close to the way Ryan Johansen did in the 2nd half of the season last year or the way Ty Rattie and Sven Bartschi are doing in Portland right now…"
I’m actually really glad he’s here. Selfishly I want to get a read on how he’s doing, and to see if his is a state of development that can be molded into the NHL now. I just think some of the conspiracy talk out in the twitterverse needs a serious reality check. I believe the Isles are right to take it slow.
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by Dominik on Nov 30, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I just think some of the conspiracy talk out in the twitterverse needs a serious reality check. I believe the Isles are right to take it slow.
So true, and so many examples of it.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 30, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
A lot of the conspiracy is that the Islanders for some reason don't like him, that is completely understandable since they drafted him.
There is some grand conspiracy that Snow designates who gets what ice time and yet he isn’t demanding one of his prime building blocks isn’t getting the ice time required to prove he made the right pick.
by Hockey1919 on Nov 30, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
If he plays limited minutes with the Isles this season and starts out in the AHL next season, I don’t think anyone will be looking back years from now wondering how Isles treated him, like many are with Bailey right now.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 30, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
"Dom-inated?"
What does that actually mean Dom?
Without watching him play a whole lot in juniors and other places, the one thing you do notice on paper is that he does score goals. You cnt teach that….
But as we all know, during a Stanely Cup playoff run, you need to have tough players on your team to survive that type of hockey. In todays game, you need to be able to forecheck…get to the loose pucks and put them in the back of the net. Once Nino gets a season under his belt, I think we’ll see him develop into a 30 goal scorer who likes to play physical.
Im with those who say dnt rush the guy, but we were getting our azzez handed to us with him on the bench. And Im not saying he is the savior, but if we are losing with guys who arent getting it done, then I see no reason in benching the kid. He needs to play.
I think it has to do with possession and overall play
He scored a lot of goals — he’s a power forward of some variety — but he had outstanding teammates with Portland and a bigger body than most of his peers.
When people say “dominated” I think they are referring to Stamkos or even Hall-level play far and above their peers, where as Nino wasn’t even the best forward on his own team (and, quite possibly, his own line).
I definitely don’t want him sitting here getting scratched all the time — hell no — but if you accept that there may be flaws in his overall game at the pro level, then it’s possible having him work on those first is more important than just putting him out there to try and score, when scoring is a skill he already has down pretty well.
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Darn...
I was trying to get a good “Dom”-inated punch line from you….
Awww hell
I’m awfully dense sometimes often.
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Anddd
Number of Goals by the Rest of The Offense Given Up Due to Backchecking: 42?
by Wes Scarborough on Dec 1, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Nino needs to adjust to the pace and strength in the league, it seems.
I don’t think his brain has caught up with the pace of the game. There’s not much time (if any) to consider options at the NHL level, and his game seems to be that of a slower paced, “I’m going to bowl through you now…” Maybe that’s what they were trying to show him. Know your options before hand, know where to go before you need to go there. There’s no time to figure it out in game. And he doesn’t seem to be used to guys that are bigger and stronger than he is.
Granted, I suppose you could say this about anyone in the NHL, but he doesn’t get to adjust in the AHL. And he doesn’t have the raw ability and hockey brain of a Tavares.
He’ll figure it out. He has the talent. He seems like a smart kid.
Nino Obviously Has to Work on His Defense and Positioning
I really think it’s as simple as that. They have to work him in gradually so they don’t have too many instances of him not picking up his man last night costing a goal. It’s tough to work in a kid like that when you’ve got other young players who are just starting to get it themselves.
Also, a bit unfair to compare Nino and Seguin. What you hope you’ll have in Nno in a few years is a John Tonelli type winger who has size, wins most of the battles along the boards and has hands good enough to score twenty-five to thirty goals.
Last night was a big positive.............
but we played against a team with 7 guys out! The D seems to be the center of attention because the offense is not scoring enough. Those myself included who have criticized Snow for filling the team with second class vet support, now have a chance to see what the Ullstroms and others to follow can do., because of injuries to Pondolfo etc. I believe Wishart should be called up. CDH is not ready. I hope Poulin can recover from that severe knee-cap injury, because we need real long term back-up for Montoya and Nabby and Nillson are not the answere now for very different reasons. I’m highest on the offense, because they seem ready to break thru.
Buffalo looked disorganized
but the same team destroyed the pre-Hunter Caps the game before
reality is there are a lot of teams playing not so well
Destroyed the Caps
And got three guys back for the game vs. the Isles. Offensive slump aside, the last three games are more what I expect from the Isles against average teams this year.
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7 guys out
It is a factor, but how many teams did the Isles beat last season with 7 guys out?
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 30, 2011 11:49 AM EST reply actions
No Sympathy....we got none LY with our Injuries
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by FB4Real on Nov 30, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
+1
Or should I say +660 or so man-games lost due to injury?
Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Nov 30, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, we really did win last night
No mentions of Konopka yet
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by Mark D on Nov 30, 2011 12:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Ha!
Or even Haley being scratched!
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
by afrosupreme on Nov 30, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
I saw some of those (Zeke and Haley) on twitter. After the win.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 30, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Bridgeport just signed a guy to a PTO
http://www.soundtigers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=22700&ATCLID=205340408
To my knowledge, everyone is healthy there, so I would probably expect that D recall soon.
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Will you hurry up and write a post on who should be recalled
So that Garth does it? That seemed to work the last few times.
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I wish
we’d give DeHart a shot in the AHL, he’s doing alright in the ECHL last time I checked.
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The Bobby Ryan Sweepstakes
I don’t mean to turn this into a ridiculous trade idea forum but just thought an idea my friend brought up was interesting. If we could get Bobby Ryan for Streit-Okposo or maybe even Streit-Moulson, do you take that trade?
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No
You’re crippling the D for the next two years if you trade Streit.
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by Fabtraption on Nov 30, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What I would try
is to work a package that somehow gets Fowler over here also if I was going to go that route. If we trade Streit this year without something coming back, this team won’t be watchable…there’ll be Reese and Mottau all over everything.
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I agree with both of you that the D is crippled this year
but I’m not convinced we’re winning anything this year anyway. There is supposed to be a lot of free agent talent on defense over the summer and you’d have to think we become more attractive to an FA with Ryan & Tavares on the same team.
You wouldn't believe how good the Corsi is for my NHL 12 Be A Pro player.
That's a real risk to take then
It also puts next year in danger if you can’t attract at least 2 top 4 D and you rely on even more of the Staois’s out there.
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That too
Staios, Jurcina, Eaton and Mottau are gone next year. If you lose Streit too, you are going to need to sign at least 2 D (good ones) and hope that two rookies pan out. It pretty much looks like Streit is unmovable. Also, he’s the captain, so that probably plays into it. There is no deal to be made for one of our good D unless it is a package that brings another D back.
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But if you think about it
The Isles D at the start of the 2013-2014 season could be:
Hamonic/A-Mac
Donovan/de Haan
Streit/ ??
Yes, I would sign up for a year or two more of Streit – as a thank you for signing with the Islanders when they were complete and utter dog shit.
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that's relying a lot on 2 unproven nhl rookies more known for their offensive upside
I think we resign Jurcina, 1 of the rookies makes the leap, and then we go hunting hard in the FA market.
I’d definitely be willing to trade Streit while he still has some value but it would hamper us majorly if we cant get an FA
You wouldn't believe how good the Corsi is for my NHL 12 Be A Pro player.
Mind you, I'm thinking two years ahead
Donovan and CDH could either be rookies or sophomores by then. Hopefully one of Mayfield or Pedan would be ready, but I doubt it. I’m more thinking about TEH (defensive) CORE and how nice it would be to have one. Sign one top 4 D and boom, you’ve got a pretty awesome defensive unit.
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I'm just thinking addition by subtraction with no Mottau, Eaton, or Staios
We can’t bring 3 worse in than that, right?
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They can definitely find D worse than Eaton and Staois
Not Mottau though. He’s the worst.
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You forgot
SHAY WEBBAR!!!!
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NO
I WANT RYEN SOOTER!
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Id rather
JORDIN TOOTOO!!
oh crap…that didnt work
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by Chris McNally on Nov 30, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Haha I see what you did there
I’d rec that if my computer wasn’t a piece of shit with a screen attached to it.
by sayvillelax94 on Nov 30, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I rec'd your desire to rec
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by Chris McNally on Nov 30, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough point
From what I’ve seen of Streit this year I’m not really sure he’ll hold up for much longer anyway. Certainly not enough to be relied upon as a top line pair quality defensemen for another 2 years.
also fortune favors the bold
You wouldn't believe how good the Corsi is for my NHL 12 Be A Pro player.
I think he'll be okay this year and next
But given his partner and his rehabilitation from a shoulder injury that kept him out for a full year, I give him the benefit of the doubt that he’ll be probably 85% of what he was when he was an All-Star. I still believe that he was better than any of the FA D the Isles could’ve acquired over the summer. How he plays in the second half of the season is going to be key to assessing his worth for the future.
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Bailey, de Haan and 2012 or '13 first rounder
Gets it done…..but I don’t want to do that.
by barry_hal_oliver_24 on Nov 30, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Enigma, undersized uproven D and a guy that may be a mid round pick that takes years to develop gets it done?
The Ducks are in win now mode…Teemu and Koivu aren’t going to wait for a rebuild to happen. No way that deal gets it done.
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agreed, if that deal could get done we wouldn't even blink
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I'd go pack their shit
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by Keith Quinn on Nov 30, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Depends on how much they want to shed salary.
Would you say Bailey is much more of an enigma than Voracuk? Probably, but by a lot?
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
No, not much more if at all but that's not the comparison
I would doubt that Vorachuk gets the Richards deal done as alone either. But Simmonds is a nice piece, and Richards was signed for over a decade with an NTC on the way. That had to be done…I’m not sure they have to be as hasty with Ryan and because he doesn’t have the baggage of Richards (contract wise), they can get a better deal than that.
I mean, that deal follows the formula of Roster player, prospect, pick…it’s just that each of the guys mentioned are questionable as to their value and projection.
If you said Moulson, Nino and a first, I say maybe/probably. But doubtful the Isles make that deal.
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Wires crossed
It was Voracuk, a first and a third for Carter (not Richards-and Simmonds was in the Richards deal), but your general point of the level of want/desire to make a deal stands as being more pressing for the Flyers.
Probably a better comparison would be KO, a first and a third. KO probably more comparable to Voracuk than Bailey.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
Was weird
when I went to memegenerator last time it was gone. So I made it again!
http://memegenerator.net/Fishstickrick
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Balls
Okay, sorry, but basically the same argument as Carter has the same type of contract that Richards does. But yeah, I think the KO comparison may be a little closer there (possibly in KOs favor). Plus that was a pick for this year right (a strong draft) from a bad team. You can’t rely on this team being bad in 2013. The only deals I ever see going through with a 1sr rounder in 2 years also include draft picks in the current year.
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Right
I could see KO and a 2012 first being close (but not enough), given that 2012 pick is looking lottery once again.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
I don't think it's rebuild
It’s retool. They may be far out to get back in the race so…..
Teemu’s probably last season (…..maybe), someone to pair Fowler for years and at this rate a Top 5 pick in the draft for Ryan.
by barry_hal_oliver_24 on Nov 30, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
I would!
Three questionables for a young 1st line winger? Sign me up!
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 30, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Comparison
Ryan 146 points with Getzlaf and Perry over 2+ seasons
Moulson 114 points with Tavares and mostly PAP over 2+ seasons
Getzlaf in 09-10 was WAY better than Tavares. In 10-11, he was a good amount better, now the difference is less.
Perry last season was WAY better than Parenteau.
Overall Ryan’s had better line mates than Moulson. He’s scored about 28% more points. Considering his line mates, 146 to 114 isn’t all that big of a difference.
Even if Isles had an extra defenseman, I’m still not sure Bobby Ryan is that elite-level winger Isles are looking for to play with Tavares.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 30, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
there's no questioning he's an elite level winger though
and he’s got an age advantage on Moulson (not that Matty Mo is an old man)
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i meant to add
which is definitely worth acquiring if you could get him for a relatively good deal. Id prefer to trade Okposto in this scenario along with Streit.
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Yes
Streit is a declining asset. “But you’ll cripple the D this season!” True — but this season is already constructively over. I’d much rather have BR long term.
=d
Tough call
Ask me a couple weeks ago and the answer would have been easy.
I honestly didn’t know if KO would ever again be able to play at the level he has for the past 3 games.
I’d keep KO if I had to choose.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 30, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Was just thinking
“AP needs to weigh in here. Crippling this year’s D to acquire Ryan is win-win, or win-tank-win.”
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My point was moreso
that it’ll cripple the D for this season AND next season.
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we can just hire Bodreau and play run and gun!
problem solved haha
You wouldn't believe how good the Corsi is for my NHL 12 Be A Pro player.
I hate that Captain Ricky always makes me laugh
He just looks so happy
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by Chris McNally on Nov 30, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Someone needs to start a blog
Of all Captain Ricky meme photos
"Mario Lemiuex… I used to respect you."- Turgeon1992
Yes.
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perfect thing for a Tumblr account
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Nothing official yet, but I’m hearing Hedman’s extension will be around five years at around $4M per year, give or take $100K.
10 minutes ago
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About $1 mil per year below Tavares's extension
…as a reference.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 30, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
ChrisBottaNHL Chris Botta
It may not lead to a Bobby Ryan deal, but I can confirm the Ducks and Sabres are discussing a possible trade.
29 minutes ago
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Q&A with Matt Martin coming up later today on #nyipb
52 minutes ago
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Look, I know it's bullshit
incarceratedbob Incarcerated Bob
Just an FYI: Islanders most coveted prospect/NHL Player is not named (Nino / De Haan / Bailey / Strome or Okposo) it is Anders Lee #ND
1 hour ago
incarceratedbob Incarcerated Bob
@bobbybows Brock Nelson is good but teams have not called about him.. Anders Lee has an out & probably will not sign with Isles
25 minutes ago Favorite Reply
Sorry for going to iBob for some talk fodder, but I found this to be curious. Does anybody know if Anders Lee hinted at leaving the Islanders org?
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we better start sending him fan mail so he doesn't leave us
You wouldn't believe how good the Corsi is for my NHL 12 Be A Pro player.
That loophole could be gone in the next CBA
At least I hope so
No Sleep 'til....Belmont?
Why would anyone sign NCAA prospects if they can just become FAs?
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 30, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
I meant draft NCAA prospects
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 30, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think he has
but he has said that he wants to graduate from college, and if he takes four years to do that, then he will be a FA and would have no more reason to sign with the Isles than he would with any other team, so it’s easy to speculate that might happen.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
Is that true?
Didn’t Rhett graduate college with Denver? He remained Islanders property and signed a deal with them…right?
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Yeah, but Rhett didn't have that USHL year out clause
he played for the US under 18 team for a couple of years, but I’m not sure that counts the same way.
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Yes
a 22 year old sophomore.
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Matt Donovan did
…and he still signed with us.
No Sleep 'til....Belmont?
But only two years of college for Donovan. I think it’s playing USHL + four years of college = FA.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
The CBA reads weird
…but from what I got is when a player is drafted if they are not in college by the following June 1st they can be a free agent as long as they did not receive a bonafide offer before they became a college player. Donovan played an extra year in the USHL before he went to Denver for two years. As far as I know he could have signed elsewhere (after August 1st this year). I don’t think it matters how many years in college. I know Gregoire didn’t have 4 years of college.
No Sleep 'til....Belmont?
It's after 3 yrs of college + USHL year
they can leave school and become a UFA within 30 days of leaving school if no deal is struck.
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The CBA reads weird
You don’t say….
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
by afrosupreme on Nov 30, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, the key is playing in another league at that age before college
Well, that’s not quite how it’s worded, but that’s the key point, like Gregoire and Kessel.
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Are we sure Incarcerated Bob
Isn’t actually Incensed Botta?
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by PGI on Nov 30, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I love the certainty
“teams have not called about him.”
So you’re telling me Garth Snow, who is so tight-lipped he wouldn’t tell his wife what he ate for breakfast, has told someone who goes by IncarceratedBob which of his prospects GMs have called about?
(Agreed that it’s fun for discussion nonetheless.)
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LOL!
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 30, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
It's why I posted it
iBob rags on Eklund all the time about the accuracy of his rumors, but he’s just as bad. I more wanted to open up a discussion about Lee and his future potential on the Island. The Islanders will be a much different team in 2013 when he’s ready to play in the NHL than they were earlier this year when Kessel left for greener pastures, so I don’t see why he wouldn’t want to sign with an up-and-coming team.
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He's an interesting twitter follow.
He throws up a hundred rumors a day, but does get some right a lot earlier then others. So, yeah, he’s the National Enquirer of Twitter-ers. Which can be fun….I know I was glued to him during the “Jets after Nmandi” debacle earlier this year….
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by CharlieIsles on Nov 30, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
I actually think Incarcerated Bob is John Spano
and who knows if he made friends with Garth in the 4 days he was part of the NHL world. Maybe they share secrets through that phone connected to the bullet proof glass.
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by Chris McNally on Nov 30, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
This theory is beautiful
From now on IB shall be John Spano in my head.
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If teams aren't trying to pry Nelson from Snow
then they need to improve their scouting.
First off Nelson actually PLAYED as a Freshmen with one of the best teams in the nation. Even though he didn’t score a lot he still was good enough defensively to play.
Secondly he had the strong showing at Juniors and finished that off with a solid run of games to end his Frosh year.
Thirdly he is now the first line center for them as a Sophmore. Look at Jason Clark, he had injury problems, but it’s still rare for a pure freshman (remember Lee had the year in the USHL) to play for a good team on a regular basis.
The only other thing I can think of is that teams aren’t trying to trade for Nelson because the Islanders used a first to get him. At least with Lee he’s a low round pick so maybe Snow toys with flipping him for a top prospect/pick.
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Yes, It is Bullshit
Who is this asshat “incarcerated bob” anyway? And how would he know what teams are “calling about” Brock Nelson and whether Anders Lee will sign? Lee probably doesn’t even know yet how long he’s going to stay in ND.
by rmblifn on Nov 30, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Does Lee...
…fall under the ‘Blake Kessel’ category? Something about 4 or 5 years after being drafted and can sign with any team he wants?
by barry_hal_oliver_24 on Nov 30, 2011 2:11 PM EST reply actions
Michael Awesome Bossy?
I miss him too. We could use the goals.
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by Chris McNally on Nov 30, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Isles Bashing
It makes me sad. Not the play of the Islanders, but the constant bashing from the media. Whether they realize it or not there’s a good bunch of kids on that team, and a lot of heart. Yet every sports radio/TV/blogger dumb-ass don’t take into account that when trashing this team out for the way it’s playing, that there are faces, and individuals, and guys that really want to win. Not just some Logo that is the face of everything, or some inanimate object. These guys care! So when you point out their shortcomings as a team do that, and that only. It seems that the media has to one up each other to describe how bad they think this team is. Give it a break guys, you’re acting like bully’s and don’t even know it.
by Garth Vader on Nov 30, 2011 2:42 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Rec'd
for both your comment and your name! Welcome aboard.
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by CharlieIsles on Nov 30, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
The media is telling it like it is. This team is in 29th place right now and have been a last place team for a long time now. Nobody should have to sugar coat their words for fear of hurting the team's feelings.
by nyislanders93 on Nov 30, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Like I always say, this team gives one plenty of reason to rip them
It’s just annoying when people lazily rip them for the wrong or outdated reasons.
It’s like when you’re in a political debate and someone who is “on your side” uses really poor arguments and bad information to support your side. That’s far more annoying than someone telling it like it is.
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by Dominik on Nov 30, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think a lot of Islanders fans are guilty of this as well.
Its almost like some of them dont want to see the good, they want to be as negative as possible, believe that every negative conspiracy anyone fabricates must be true, believe that if you point to how injured your own team has been over the years its an “excuse” while if the Isles beat a team that injured they have no problem pointing that out, and so on. It will be great when that finally starts to change.
Youre name really is great BTW lol.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 30, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
I hope the ...
guys on the team that really care and are committed to turning it around – I’d guess a big majority – see all that the negative stuff. If it were me, I’d be motivated by it. It would really piss me off.
I would bet a lot of dough – if I had a lot of dough, and the balls to bet it – that Tavares, Martin and Hamonic in particular get riled when they read that stuff.
Riled up, maybe.
But I think players can get riled up knowing there are fans rooting for you, too. Objectively, Isles fans as a whole dont do the greatest job of getting that message out there to them.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 30, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
I'm honestly
starting to hope that not only do I live to see another Islanders’ Cup, but that this site and you are still here when it happens. I need to know what reaction it will produce. I don’t even think you yourself knows what might happen.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
by afrosupreme on Nov 30, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It’s a good question.
I mean, I am an Islanders and Jets fan on the one hand, so I’m obviously completely in the dark about what success feels like on those fronts.
But on the other, I’m a Yankees fan, and championships there haven’t stopped me from being all all “FIRE GIRARDI/JETER/ETC” after every pitch. (srsly)
=d
But the Yankees come with a whole different set of expectations, no? Basically it’s World Series or bust, whereas with the Islanders you’re forced to lap up things like not being shut out as “signs of improvement.”
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
There was a looong period of time when the Yanks were awful.
They built their team through drafting character guys.
Its true.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 30, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
I was a kid during the lean years of the 80's....I was the biggest Donnie Baseball fan.
It seemed like all there were was Met fans around me as a kid tho because they won the WS in 86…I think most of those kids are now Yanks fans, lol
Heh, the front-runners
I admit I was a front-runner when it was the Islanders… but I stuck with it afterwards so Ilike to think I’ve made up for it. And I was a Mets fan when their best player was old Rusty Staub and young Lee Mazilli. I can still remember how I felt when they traded for Hernandez and then Gary Carter… “Wait, we’re trying to be good now? What?”
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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I chose the Isles as my team but it was right after the Cups.
I was a bit too young. Born in 1974 and didn’t really get into hockey until a bit after the Dynasty…Sucks for me…
They do now, although “World Series or bust” is pretty stupid. “Playoffs or bust” is more realistic. You can’t control what happens in the short playoffs of MLB.
But when I was growing up 1980’s-early ’90s, the Yankees were pretty shitty.
But you’re right. The Isles have been so terrible for so long that it’s basically inconceivable to me that they would be any other way.
=d
True
Mel Hall was their best player once upon a time.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
by afrosupreme on Nov 30, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Getting Bobby Meachem and Roy Smalley flashbacks.
After the ’81 Series, they had a long dry spell, for true.
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I'm a Yankee fan too
And lived through the fallow years, the over the hil FA signings, the trading away of talented youth, etx. While the late 90s were thrilling, at this point I find it very difficult to become enthusiatic about them win or lose. The grotesque spending takes the fun out of it. I find that my Islanders fandom toi be a perfect antidote to the Yankees as frustrating as it can be sometimes (okay most of the time).
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 30, 2011 10:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Jack Clark!
Speaking of MLB playoff crapshoots, when two of the weakest Cardinals teams of the past seven years have won the World Series and two of the best didn’t even win a W.S. game, I totally get why the trophy with the cute flag poles isn’t iconic like the Cup.
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Imagine, "The Boss", George Stienbrenner, being the Isles owner???
If players sucked they don’t play or will be bought out. DP would have been cut loose. Money is no object. He would spend as much as he can and do what ever it takes to bring a Cup to the Island. Fans would be packing the house because of this winning at all costs mentality and he would be able to build a Coliseum because winning will solve everything.. There would be no excuses. The Isles excuses are their own…
We don't have to imagine
This is how the Rangers were run in the pre-salary-cap years… It worked with the Oilers East cup, and other than that? I mean, Guy LaFleur? Bernie NIcholls? Old (and still very good) Gretzky? Fleury, Lindros, Kovalev, Jagr, etc etc. Their best player that entire time was their own draftee, Brian Leetch, and they still never quite got the moral. Even now with Gaborik and Richards… though at least they started with their own foundation with Lundqvist, Callahan, Dubinsky, Staal, and Girardi.
So I have to say, I’m glad the Islanders are following the blueprint they had in their expansion years. They’ll get their final piece and we’ll have our 1975 and our 1980 again.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Dec 2, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Uh-oh... the old chicken vs. egg thing.
Bleeding orange & blue since '72.
by IslanderDoug on Nov 30, 2011 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
What does everyone think about Ryan?
Forget the two wins, we could still use a shakeup in my opinion. The Ducks are actively shopping Bobby Ryan. The Rags have already called. What would a package look like I wonder? Would you ship Nino and a #2 draft pick? Would that even be enough to get him?
So what do you think they need to do in December to stay afloat?
14 games: CHIx2, DALx2, NYRx2, PIT, TBL, MTL, MIN, WPG, TOR, CAL, EDM.
I say 8-6 would is a realistically optimistic result which would leave them a tad under NHL .500. This would mean splitting the two games with CHI, DAL and NYR and beating MTL, WPG, TOR, CAL and EDM.
Thoughts?
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 30, 2011 3:40 PM EST reply actions
Its better to dream.......
than not to dream
Looking at it earlier today
I figured out that if we averaged 5 losses a month for the rest of the season we’d finish with about 92-94 pts (depending on OT loss/Wins split and April) which would be right around the 8 seed last year.
I don’t believe this team is going to finish with 94 pts but it does give us a benchmark at least for the remainder of the season. If we come out of december at 8-6 I’d say we’d be keeping afloat but we’d still need to perform at a higher level to be a playoff team.
Isles need at least 8-6 to stay afloat
Hopefully the last two games is the start of something good. Even the previous 2 or 3 games were pretty good efforts by the Isles, so it’s possible they turned the corner. If so, it would be a quicker turnaround than last season, so playoffs would still be possible.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 30, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
November
is our toughest month – we’re over the hump…..
bring on Dancing December
by Cary K on Nov 30, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
January and February look easier
At least from the view from here. Who knows who gets hot in a month from now.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 30, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
NYIslanders
NYIslanders NYIslanders
Al Montoya will be on @hnicradio at 4:45 p.m. today. #isles
2 minutes ago
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First question
“So, Al, why would you re-sign with that terrible organization and can you and John Tavares opt out at any time to play for the Leafs?”
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by PGI on Nov 30, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Same question for PGI
Why did you sign up for LHH, when you could have signed up with BLOG WITH A WINNING RECORD? Answer we all love D…….k.
Clearly
We’ve all drank the LHH Kool-Aid and have been brainwwashed by it’s cult-like atmosphere.
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OH YEAH!!!!
I snuck it in for you Fab. Youre welcome.
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by Chris McNally on Nov 30, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
And the next logical comment would be...

Success was survival and, kid, it still is
by IslesFanInNJ on Nov 30, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Ooh - better one

Success was survival and, kid, it still is
by IslesFanInNJ on Nov 30, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
not like the pointer sisters... i can't get excited....
knowing that the only way this team can win right now is for the goalie to be brilliant (loving am right now) and give up 2 or fewer goals a game… that’s not a good team…
by Khan Noonien Singh on Nov 30, 2011 4:27 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Must see TV: Islanders Go Toy Shopping
For a laugh, check out this videoat the team site about the some players going shopping for toys that will be delivered to kids in hospitals. Couple of observations:
1. What the hell is going on with DP’s head? The bear was kind of badass but know he just looks like a street bum. All sit and no play makes ricky a dull boy, I guess.
2. JT seems to give equally canned answers no matter what the context. He uh always gives it uh 110% no matter the situation.
3. Bailey also plays to type overthinking the toy purchases. Just buy the toy!!!
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 30, 2011 6:32 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Bear=beard
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 30, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
3. Bailey also plays to type overthinking the toy purchases. Just buy the toy!!!
LOL!!!!!!!!!!
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 30, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
I think the beard is because of his broken face last year, honestly.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 30, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
yeah but now he's got some weird goatee thing happening
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 30, 2011 7:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If only
you could add that to your username.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
by afrosupreme on Nov 30, 2011 7:20 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
No, he can't
His name is about all the things hurting DP, while DP’s face is only killing us.
Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Nov 30, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
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Who were neither wild nor crazy nor Czech
Discuss.
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Other observations:
1. How cold was it in that store? Everyone’s wearing giant wool hats. With the hat and mustache, JT looks like an undercover cop.
2. Okposo’s Cookie Monster impersonation is pretty good.
3. Streit explains that they started out slow but now he thinks they’ve gotten into a groove, which must be his default thing to say when a microphone is shoved in his face.
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Classic
The toy shopping vid is probably my favorite annual clip they do.
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I would like say...
that Montoya save is badass. I am quite happy with him in net, and the fact that he is of Cuban heritage makes me like him even more (fellow Cuban heritage here).
Can one be an atheist toward a hockey team? That means I have NO faith anymore.
This is why I like Cody Rosen so much...
For I am of Clarkson heritage as well.
by CloseCallJiggs on Nov 30, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
You and Russel
That gives us two known Cubans at LHH. Any other Cubans out there, don’t ask don’t tell. We’ve reached our Cuban quota.
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Me too
But that’s probably because I’m related to Turgeon1992.
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Aww, hell no
Now someone has to leave. We have rules.
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It's no HomerS
We can have one.
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Ducks fire Carlyle, Hire Boudreau
fanshotted it here
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Yowzer
Front-paging that for further discussion, in case any other cats are up at this hour.
/obligatory “Don’t you people have homes?” Judge Smails rebuke
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wanna hire me so I have a reason to be asleep at this hour?
bored recent college graduate, will work for food stamps/beer, mostly beer.
You wouldn't believe how good the Corsi is for my NHL 12 Be A Pro player.
I could certainly use another Arsenal fan around the office
/ManU bandwagoner always swinging by to talk “football”
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good, when he comes by just ask him how Crystal Palace is doing this week
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by ArsenalLI on Dec 1, 2011 3:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yay for liking football!
The real football!
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by edavidmorris on Dec 1, 2011 3:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
“Soccer?”
“No, no, that’s…that’s what assholes call it.”
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Dec 1, 2011 7:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
I had to tell him who Crystal Palace was.
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that's brilliant
You wouldn't believe how good the Corsi is for my NHL 12 Be A Pro player.
Haley
I think the attitude of the team has changed drastically since Haley’s recall. Even though he didn’t dress last night, he had presence in the dressing room, Martin set the tone himself wonderfully, and the Sabres aren’t exactly an intimidating squad without Kaleta, etc and Montoya was the obvious 1st star. All hail Haley!! (not sure if i got the sp there)

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