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Recap - Jets 3 (EN), Islanders 0: We need a live rooster.

Who wants to watch from this angle next game?

Perhaps the Islanders are learning a very powerful lesson about how losing streaks happen: It's not necessarily your worst games that make them longer; it's the nights you took off earlier in the streak -- Passenger Nights, we'll call them -- and now when the losses mount and the pressure increases, even your 60/40 efforts against injury-ravaged teams you should beat extend the pain.

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With a 3-0 boo-rific home loss to the Jets tonight, the Islanders haven't won in six games and have picked up regulation points in only two of the last three. The Islanders' first three losses (all regulation) in this streak were by far their worst.

The last three games have seen improvement in various areas, including the Enigma Trio third line, but avoid those first three passenger nights and you have maybe a 0-1-2 streak right now. Instead, you have 0-4-2 and deserve every bit of scorn coming your way from fan and coach alike.

Star-divide

Surprisingly, the villains were Travis Hamonic -- excited for the first game against his revived hometown Jets -- and partner Andrew MacDonald. Neither has been as good as they were last year, but tonight they were directly responsible for both Jets goals.

Hamonic could have intercepted the outlet to Evander Kane, could have avoided getting turned inside out by Kane, and could have caught him on the backcheck with A-Mac providing an obstacle. A-Mac could have done a better job winning the puck as Kane lost it in the crowd of feet. Backchecking, Blake Comeau watched it all happen -- no doubt assuming Kane wouldn't make the Isles' best pair look silly.

Almost to add confession to the insult, Hamonic initiated a fight with Kane at the end of the first period. Thank Bossy Hamonic does not elicit the universal hatred reserved for Matt Cooke, and as a result Kane showed mercy while rag-dolling Hamonic around.

"Obviously, I preach that you fight for a few reasons and trying to spark the team is one of the main ones," Hamonic said. "I found a willing combatant in Evander Kane, he’s a tough kid and I think he wanted to go as well, so I just tried to do it for those reasons."

Two periods and many frustrating bounces and stymied powerplays later, the game was iced when MacDonald tapped in a Johnny Oduya pass to make it 2-0. Cruelly, MacDonald's own goal came just seconds after Nik Antropov nearly tied the game by sweeping the puck back at his own goal, hitting Ondrej Pavelec's post.

John Tavares and the gang made the powerplay threatening but in want of a good bounce. Everyone in the lineup had shots on goal except for P.A. Pareneteau and Jay Pandolfo, and most had multiple shot attempts. The enigmas Blake Comeau and Josh Bailey continued their slow improvement -- again they had their bad moments, but on the whole they looked much more organized and threatening -- it was the offense overall that continued to slump.

Kyle Okposo, Michael Grabner and Frans NIelsen have not really resembled the beloved FNGO but for one shift where they kept the Jets hemmed in for a solid 30 seconds. Okposo had a memorable chance on his backhand, though upon further review Pavelec had done well to cut off his angle and leave him with little option. Nielsen had a nice chance in front, and Grabner and Okposo both jumped on the rebound, with Festerling can-opening Okposo something fierce (no call, but it did get Okposo to show some life in the scrum afterward).

But for everyone, you have to shave off the first half of the first period and most of the third to enclose the part of the game where "progress" was shown, where if luck had rewarded their effort then we'd not be talking about a streak anymore.

 

Game Highlights

 

Time for Shake-Ups?

I know I try to keep an upbeat attitude -- part of that is simply a practical tactic, as there are plenty of fans and anonymous commenters to lose their head for all of us -- but part of it is because it's far too easy to go Win=Yay!, Loss=Baaad! Game to game, hockey has luck and happenstance (and B.S. OT penalties) that defy that convenient narrative about wins and losses.

The Islanders objectively have played better in the last three games than the prior three in this streak. (Of course, you could handicap them tonight for failing to come out and dominate a team ravaged by blueline injuries. Mark Flood and Brett Festerling?) But there is also a fragile, lifeless element to this streak. There is a sense of a team that played a very good second period just folding in the third under the frustrated boos of fans who hoped for a goal (and more shots, naturally).

So does that mean a callup is in order, or at least line shuffling? Even just for the first period Saturday, to shock the team's collective system? Or is mixing it up now just doubling the risk against a very dangerous team like the Capitals?

"You have to score goals and I’m not going to keep harping on it, but they have to find a way to get it done," Capuano said. "So I’m probably going to change some lines, do some different things, going into Washington."

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Whatever your thought, Jack Capuano sounded like he was doing more than calling out passengers in the post-game. Sounds like change is afoot for Saturday. I don't blame him for being patient -- his predecessor was often chided for mixing lines too often -- but clearly this young team has not rewarded his patience. Of if rewarded, too little too late.

At this point, after three shutouts in 10 games, after six games yielding only two points, after seven goals in those six games ... it's time to change something.

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Driving up from Baltimore for the Isles-Caps Game..

Initially, I was hoping for a win.. now I’m just hoping for a goal..

Interested to see what line changes Cappy makes… I think it’s about time Montoya got a start in net again (I know goaltending has not been the problem during the losing streak) It feels like Montoya hasn’t played in forever, obviously a product of the long layoff between games.

by BaltimoreIslander on Nov 4, 2011 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

I'd like to see Al

Whoever’s in net should be called upon frequently in D.C.

Have fun at the game. Do check in with an on-the-ground report afterward.

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by Dominik on Nov 4, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Balloon!

Last year it was empty. After the injuries to Streit and Okposo, then NO-VEMBER…there wasn’t a breath of air in a balloon that was charged with carrying an NHL team to the playoffs. The season was DEAD!
Then 12/16/10, and the months to follow. Still no Streit, still no Okposo… Gordon was gone, Capuano simplified things… Hamonic and MacDonald made us feel good about the team… then it started to click… Grabner got hot… they started winning… air in the balloon.
Then february… and the flightless foul… Haley is called up. If you weren’t accustomed to doing “SoundTiger Fight” searches on YouTube you had no idea who he was… but he was the leading goalscorer for the Bridgeport affiiate at the time of his call-up. In one night a HERO was made… and that game was legendary… the season was dead, but the balloon was full!
Off-season… they draft Strome instead of Hamilton… somewhat of a letdown for some, until they see Strome in action. “Wow.. we’re gonna score some goals with this kid”
They didn’t make a splashy top four D signing, but they improved their overall D just by players returning from injury (Steit, Eaton and Macdonald… I don’t think anybody expected much from Mottau)… and they signed Reasoner which gave them responsibility up the middle from top to bottom.
camp isn’t great, but there’s too many pieces to look at to get a good feel for how they’ll all perform together… still plenty of excitement going into opening night.
Here’s where it all goes to shit for me. I know this guy hasn’t been a terrible player, but there was a sense of excitement in the air until two names where announced.
29… Jay Pandolfo… it was like somebody kicked 16,000 people in the balls at one time. All the air that was pumped into the balloon was let out on opening night when they announced his name. Are you effin kidding me… Jay Effin Pandolfo… when you could have given Ryan Strome 9 games… Kirill Kabanov… David Ullstrom… and you sign Jay fucking Pandolfo… That must have been a real solid message to everybody that worked so hard to get an opportunity…
39… Rick Dipietro… I have to say that it was creepy hearing fans booing him on opening night. I really don’t get it either… but just like Yashin, if he can’t be a hero, it might be bettter for him to just go away… and he is no hero… I’ll apologize to all the DP fans in advance… but before the season started the question was raised… “what do you do with Rick if he’s #3”… and we really didn’t need to know then… but here we are. I really don’t want to see Rick Dipietro until somebody else has a bad game or gets hurt. Montoya led this team at the end of last year, and started bringing them around this year…Nabokov can bring what Roloson did… then this bullshit started. WTF is up with pulling a goalie before the shootout… THAT JUST WREAKS OF HOCKEY FOR DUMMIES… that had to come from upstairs because Capuano lost his voice when he tried to defend it. THis team can’t be run by a 15 year mistake…. it just can not be successful when these are the idiotic moves that are made. Go back to a two goalie rotation… and if Wang wants to see Dipietro, sit next to him in the owners box. Let him play with your kid. (hmmm.. not too rough though… you don’t want him getting hurt again… do you?)
I don’t know if it’s something in the locker room… or a lack of excitement on the ice… but all three ex-devils have brought devils hockey (without the winning) to Long Island. It’s time for an exorcism!
Pandolfo needs to go… this team needs a spark of some sort. Rolston too. my assumption is that these guys are in the NHL because they can’t leave Thompson swinging in the breeze… but Dibo is tearing up the AHL. Ullstrom has earned a shot…. NINO… He needs to get up to the big club.
Rolston hasn’t finished a check this season… and he couldn’t hit the net if his $5M salary depended on it… (waived twice last year… gonna get waived again pretty soon). As a matter of fact the only thing he has hit of any note is Dipietro. How good would Dipietro, Rolston and Pandolfo be in the AHL for Thompson… LET’S FIND OUT!
$10M AHL trio… CAP FLOOR BULLSHIT!!!
And if you want to know why every other NHL city thinks the Islanders are a joke… there you go…

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by JPinVA on Nov 4, 2011 1:15 AM EDT reply actions  

cray cray

it’s a little early to announce anyone is anything in goal tending especially since goal tending is not the problem… take away the last minute overtime stint as his first game and rdp has a 2 gaa in 2 games… again it is so few games it means very little other than he can play solid hockey… al and ricky and evengi all seem to be solid enough to be number 1 at this point… no one is amazing and no one is bad… they are all just solid… how about some goals

by Khan Noonien Singh on Nov 4, 2011 6:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

He could have a 0.00 GAA

How many times a game do you find yourself internally yelling to Montoya or Nanokov, “What if God’s name are you doing THERE!?!?!.. GET BACK IN YOUR F&%$ING CREASE”
If it’s not four times a night, then you agree with me.
Let’s just see how the narrative plays out if he floats around in the press box for a while. He’s 0-2-1 in TWO GAMES… let’s move on to one of the other goaltenders who have won a game or two. He really is the last of players from the LOSING TRADITION. It’s really time to give somebody else a chance… while the opportunity exists. If those guys can’t get it done, or one gets hurt, or one is traded, well then Rick will get another chance.
As irrational as it sounds, I’m tired of seeing his face at the expense of others. Montoya earned the #1 spot last year when Ricky couldn’t keep himself off the IR… or above a .900 SAV%.
…and let him get his opportunities on the road… so he doesn’t drag the team down when the home fans boo him. They want to see Montoya.

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by JPinVA on Nov 4, 2011 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Big DP fan...

but you can’t watch him play and tell me his knees aren’t shot. he seems old and slow when he has to get into a butterfly to make a save. his reaction time is there, but his head moves quicker than his legs do. just an observation based on nothing but what i’m seeing from him.

that being said, I think he can be a very servicable #2 goalie. i would not be comfortable with giving him the lion’s share of the work. kind of sad actually, because I think he could have developed into a very solid goaltender if not for the injuries.

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by khrudey30 on Nov 4, 2011 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

agree

there’s definitely spots in games where DP struggles and it’s obviously cause of his injury troubles.

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by Mark D on Nov 4, 2011 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right On J.P.

I could not have said it any better J.P. but i have one more for Bridgeport and that’s Staios. Let one of the kids play or make a trade. This team has 0 chemistry and even worse there boring to watch. Besides Martin and Harmonic nobody touches anyone. There is no life on this team. They better do something fast or this season is gonna slip away fast.

by pdecanio on Nov 4, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Things are looking a little painful

With teams focusing on Tavares the rest of the team has to do something. I mean the second highest goal scorer is Moulson with 2 goals. Id say try and use the old guys to get a spark as funny as that sounds. This is a team that is still to inexperienced and young to keep itself going without some vets running games every once in a while.

Third line has looked horrible. Id say Rolston up on the second maybe Okposo can get going on the third, atleast he would be able to be utilized more defensively. His offense hasnt returned well not sure its still to soon to say a change of scenery would be the best for him but I expect more. Maybe dropping him down for a little will let him refocus on playing strong in his zone and let the offense start coming back. Or throw him on the first and send PA down to the second see if he can get a spark somewhere.

Reasoner and Pandolfo can take over the third line for a bit while Bailey and Comeau figure out wtf they are doing bailey might still just be too young for this league. The old guys cant be a permanent solution but giving them more ice time with the intention that they are to be responsible defensively and set a baseline example of what a team has to do might help a bit.

Hard to say what to do with such a young team but a few people need to be shuffled to get the message across.

by Pballer505 on Nov 4, 2011 1:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Okposo

May be better if he went to the first line and PA dropped to the second.
That may be the spark that line needs. Kyle is a better grinder that PA

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by Martys301 on Nov 4, 2011 6:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Parenteau is outhitting OKposo

12-5…and honestly, he watches Tavares back better. He was on his way in to get in Byfuglien’s face after he threw Moulson around last night. PAP knows his role on the team and plays it about as well as anyone.

You try not to reward poor play with promotions…the only person I personally would consider putting on that line is Bailey because he has never gotten that opportunity. If he is a creative passer as billed, he could work well with two sniper types.

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by Keith Quinn on Nov 4, 2011 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'd like to see Okposo up with Tavares

Shifting b/w the top 3 lines is not really about promotions/demotions, but more of trying do something, anything, to get a puck into the opposition’s net.

by Dorfer on Nov 4, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

PAP actually did more scuffling after that too.

Not sure when they cutoff on TV, but as the players were still going into their lockerrooms about 30second-1min after the whistle, PAP was still yapping at buff and someone else. He even got a little stick checked/roughed as the ref was in between them breaking up around center ice. PAP is a lot more in your face then Okposo, sadly.

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by OzzyFan on Nov 4, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's crazy, but yeah: PAP is a better grinder than KO right now

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by Dominik on Nov 4, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I consider this game a better showing of what this team can do than the lucky win over Minnesota where they played decently for about ten minutes and sucked worse than they have in the past two years for fifty. Tonight, there were a lot of chances that couldn’t convert, but they played very well except for the third period. The first took a few minutes to come up to speed because of the five day layoff. I’d rather they play like this and lose than play like they did against Minnesota and somehow win.

by dunnowhat2type on Nov 4, 2011 1:46 AM EDT reply actions  

When you look at the next 5 games, I wonder if they’ll be able to score much then either.
Wash. and Boston won’t be pushovers.
Colorado may be our best chance to score a few, but then we play in Vancouver.

The Rangers will be our next chance to show that we can score and win.

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by Martys301 on Nov 4, 2011 6:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shake It UP

Horrible, no toughness no grit. There may be a will to win, but not the willingness to do what it takes to get the win. Can’t just hope it happens… Maybe it’s true that Capuano needs to stop being the “friend” to the players and start being the fire under their asses, but the players are definitely to blame. It’s obviously not goal tending right now, so get off the DP b.s., or either of the other 2 for that matter.

Changes DEFINITELY need to made, that was made obvious a while ago. Cappy was cool to let them try to figure it out, but get Moulson out of the first lineup, due to his poor play and lack of toughness right now. Also, he’s one player who might actually respond to coach-induced embarrassment due to poor play and demotion. As others have stated, (though its been pretty apparent in most cases from the beginning) the choice of veteran staff acquired here is just asinine. If they were all that was available, I’d probably even rather they bring up all rookies from BP. I def believe we need good veteran presence, especially PARTICULARLY up front, but the ones we have in Rolston and Pandolfo are just getting in the way(no pun intended, see end of the game with a minute to go).

Bailey…..gotta go. It’s great to give young guys a chance, but sorry, he’s past his 2nd chance, and his 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc…. Go back to the chains and do some mental pushups, cuz his confidence and hockey sense is in the hospital bed and on life support – though I’m not sure if he ever had much hockey sense to begin with, all I’ve seen from him is from his start in the NHL, and he hasn’t shown much of anything since then.

Martin continues to play well and get better, yet he doesn’t play with anyone who can score still. I’d like to see Martin clear some room and stand up for some of the pussy forwards we have who “apparently” can score, but don’t do anything to stand up for themselves, let alone linemates. It would be nice to see a few particular call ups too, like Haley and Nino when he looks ready – if not to gain offense, then to trim some fatty LACK of offense (Bailey, Pandolfo, Rolston, Okposo,, lets be honest, I could list the whole damn team here almost…). I like KO, but man has he looked terrible. Nothing like when he first came up, or even last year. I think he’s another one who needs a wake up call demotion, or a play-your-game-cuz-that’s-how-you-are-successful slap to the face. Playing with someone else other than FnG could help, I think he’s one player who would succeed if he had some skilled players, more his speed, on his line with him. Either way, horrible game and rough last couple games, I’m curious to see what Cappy is gonna do here for the Caps..

by Wes Scarborough on Nov 4, 2011 4:47 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Wow...

First post on LHH and straight to the “P” card. Can’t say I don’t agree… but the “P” word needs to be replaced by the “C” word…
“C” is for Comeau, and that’s good enough for me!

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by JPinVA on Nov 4, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

And sorry, if this is a family thread. Gotta keep it PG, like the Islanders playstyle

by Wes Scarborough on Nov 4, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know what else a team can do to win except generate more scoring chances than the opposition. The Islanders

seem to have done that for 3 out of the last 4 games. I don’t know what to make of it. I don’t think that scoring goals is a simple matter of generating scoring chances. There is a skill to converting them or generating better scoring chances but I’m not sure there is anything more to this goal-scoring drought than bad luck. I just don’t know. The work that Gabriel Desjardins has done at behindthenet (now ArcticIceHockey.com) seems to suggest that there are only very small differences between teams at the NHL level in finishing ability. In the long term, team shooting %s converge to the league average. The message is that over the long term goal scoring is just a function of generating scoring chances. This doesn’t necessarily imply that the Isles are doing everything right in their attempts to score goals but they have only been unlucky. It doesn’t NECESSARILY impy it but it suggests that it is the case. I don’t know. I really don’t know what to think. Part of me thinks that if they keep getting chances eventually they will turn into goals but I also wonder if there is something they aren’t doing right or if they lack finishing skill. I just don’t know.

by TMS71 on Nov 4, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well put.

State of the Island, Nov. 4, 2011.

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by Dominik on Nov 4, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Call up Nino?

Maybe realizing you can lose a roster spot to the younger guys might shake everyone else up.

Hoping that Haley comes around more than once every 75 years.

by ilopan on Nov 4, 2011 6:42 AM EDT reply actions  

You would think that its already in the backs of everyone’s mind that Nino has to be just a few more BP games away before he’s called up. I think Rolston should get the axe. I’m tired of him getting the puck in open space and shooting 3 feet wide of the net.

Take em to the jabrone-zone

by IslesJabronie on Nov 4, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

As irritatingly inconsistent as Bailey and Comeau have been, there have at least been flashes here and there the past few games. Personally, I thought Comeau and Bails had their best game of the year last night and were certainly a lot better than the other lines on the ice. Rolston really hasn’t done anything this season except miss the net a bunch of times. I’m very intrigued to see what Cappy is going to do for Saturday night.

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by Fabtraption on Nov 4, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Comeau was arguably the best player not named Tavares last night

Bailey was terrible as usual. He still doesn’t know to shoot the puck! When Comeau and him were closing in the net, he passed right back to Comeau for a poor angle shot rather than taking one himself. How did this kid even have the balls to hold out for a contract?

by Uwe43 on Nov 4, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Liking the 3rd line last night

doesn’t exactly mean they played well. Just means they played better than every other line out there in terms of generating scoring chances.

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by Fabtraption on Nov 4, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

They could not buy a goal

last night. Its unfortunate, and one passenger play by hammer and amac led to an early goal that clearly deflated their sails and took the crowd immediately out of it. No excuses though, they should have scored as they had both PP time and opportunities.

Either way, it was again, extremely frustrating to watch, and at this point, just want goals. It is tough to be excited now going into a Caps game. They really need to shake things up, change lines, bring up an AHL player or whatever they need to do.

Montoya gets the start. Rolston sits. The first two lines are mixed up.

by ghalbart on Nov 4, 2011 6:50 AM EDT reply actions  

i agree

seemed like the isles came out skating pretty well and getting some early opportunities. then winnipeg scored and took the wind out of the sails.

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by khrudey30 on Nov 4, 2011 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

.....I'm a bit disturbed that we haven't heard even a PEEP from Streit, but.....

…..maybe they’re keeping his comments in-house on general principle…..it’s gone from what was essentially a lack of timing and chemistry to an abject lack of confidence, complete with the attendant second-guessing and subsequent missed opportunities – I’m not worried so much about A-Mac ultimately returning to form or dragging Hamonic down with him; this team is, like it has been for too much of the last 20 years, a persistent head-case, and I hate to think it can be distilled down to an irreconcilable inferiority complex…..they need INSPIRATION as much as perspiration, and I just can’t believe they’re getting enough of it, if at all…..ENTER HALEY. NOW.

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by ogam5 on Nov 4, 2011 7:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Streit needs to be a leader on the ice...

…and there’s no evidence to say he hasn’t been. Even though the team isn’t scoring, I don’t think it’s because of a lack of effort… which is incredibly frustrating. They really need an influx of talent and attitude.
There are four guys on the team that we know will not be on the team next year.
Rolston… there is no way he’s coming back… so he should be the first in line. He’s given them nothing, and has no future on the team.
Staios… He has been an adequate 3rd pair defender, but he’s really not offering much to the first or second pairing. He’s the first candidate to help Bridgeport as a veteran to teach an extremely young group with no veteran leadership… or at least send Mottau down, bring Wishart up and let Staios sit in the press box.
Pandolfo… he has been a solid fourth liner… but he has as much of a chance to score a goal as win the lottery.They need somebody in that position that can earn his way up the depth chart. Martin, for instance belongs on the Comeau/Bailey line. If you drop Rolston and Pandolfo your bottom six could look like:
Comeau-Bailey-Martin, Ullstrom-Reasoner-Nino… and eventually one of those wings might find themselve getting more ice time somewhere else.
And then there’s Eaton. Eaton has performed much better without having to tug Mottau behind him, but as soon as one of the young puck movers shows the ability to play 15 Minutes of NHL hockey… he has to become #7. It’s better they do it when they can, than when they HAVE TO.

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by JPinVA on Nov 4, 2011 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

FIG

Apologies if this has been mentioned before (or in the rules) but can you predict no one for FIG?

For Example: No one (No one, No one) 60:00

Think it might make things interesting.

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by Uncle Zenon on Nov 4, 2011 8:11 AM EDT reply actions  

how about

Nino (Nino, Nino)

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by khrudey30 on Nov 4, 2011 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Prepare for Negatron!

Sorry, just frustrated after sitting there at the Colly waiting for them to give me ANYTHING to cheer about. Some things I noticed live:

-Passing. They have absolutely no rhythm and sync to their passing. Its a large number of chip off the boards to the other team, finesse touch passes that don’t hit their mark, or, last night especially, too cutesy no-look passes that were easily intercepted. Even Streit on the powerplay had an off night as his passes were not sharp. The Jets were the opposite, quick, hard passes up the ice right on the next Jet’s tape.

-Compete level. The forwards and defense were routinely beaten to loose pucks, and just boxed up in the defensive zone. Okposo looked like he was gassed by the second. It felt like they were just never in it, mentally, emotionally, physically.

-Passengers. PAP and Moulson are not getting it done on the first line, they are turn over machines. Moulson especially was floaty and waited for JT to get him the puck in front of the net. Every time Matty Mo got the puck in the offensive zone he had a guy on him and turned it over immediately. JT or even PAP are able to skate with it. I was a fan with two 30 goal seasons but he just doesn’t look to be on the same level as his linemates.

-Enigma line. I give points to Comeau, he worked hard and created. Bailey looked outmatched the whole night and Rolston looked disinterested. One of the two needs to go now.

-Time to dump Pandalfo and bring up Haley. Fourth line has been good for energy and shut down, but this team is not scoring and I feel Haley would provide more value and more desire.

And finally, I went last night with a friend who now has been to three consecutive games where the Islanders have not scored. The fact this is a near mathematical impossibility means it wasn’t the team guys, its HER!

by GreekIsles83 on Nov 4, 2011 8:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Two things need to happen...

Yes, Pandolfo should be replaced… but by either Ullstrom or Nino.
..and please present a picture of your “friend” to the head of security at the NVMC. She needs to go on the BANNED list.

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by JPinVA on Nov 4, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

LMAO

I had that issue with my mom back in the 80’s. Everytime she would either walk in a room or even flip the game on in another room, the opposing team would score.
Needless to say, she was banned from ever watching a game.

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by JW1970 on Nov 4, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is why my mother is a TRUE Islander fan

She LOVED watching the games, but we were convinced she was a jinx and banned her from walking into the room when the game was on. Of course she was never there when the game started, she was busy cleaning up everyone else’s mess. I think it has been 20 years since she has watched a game so that she isn’t a “jinx”, but she always asks, “How are the Islanders doing?” That is some devotion to the team and kids to want them to win more than having the enjoyment of watching the game.

I think when they start winning consistently again, my gift to her will be to tell her, “It wasn’t you fault, sit down and watch the game.” I would tell her that now, but she why should she suffer considering how much she has already sacrificed?

by Hockey1919 on Nov 4, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thats right

Don’t let her suffer, that is just cruel.

In my case, that would take me getting mom Center Ice, so I am kind of safe.

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by JW1970 on Nov 4, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe I brought this up last year...

…about my wife. MRSinVA even affected the results of games I had recorded hours earlier. This started conversations about Schrodinger’s cat. My daughter and I battle her negative juju with a battalion of Islander named pillow pets, lucky pucks and jerseys.

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by JPinVA on Nov 4, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shooting

towards the goaltender or around the net doesnt work boys……….Ive never seen so many shots on net that seem to aim exactly where the goaltender is OR so many wide shots from the point.
And I really hate to say this……but Bailey isnt going to happen. I truly feel for the kid, but hes just not going to make it. He needs to be benched for about a month, sit upstairs and watch the game

by WRANGLERICK on Nov 4, 2011 8:48 AM EDT reply actions  

I'd say he's third in line for the press box...

And it wouldn’t be all that bad to have him there for a few… but if he’s the first to sit out games I’ll be pissed. If it does make it to him…
Comeau-Reasoner-Nino
Martin-Ullstrom-Haley…
I wish Rhett didn’t get hurt, they probably never sign pandolfo if Rhett is healthy.

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by JPinVA on Nov 4, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Garth needs to hit the emergency button NOW!!!

I hope he’s not waiting until we’re virtually out of it before Christmas, again…I can’t imagine he’s sleeping very well right now or is he???Maybe he realizes he has the lowest payroll allowed to help him rest.

by KO21 on Nov 4, 2011 9:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Billywitchdoctor.com work mostly with chicken

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by Pauly C on Nov 4, 2011 9:40 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

hahahaha

You say… funny ting.

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by mikb on Nov 4, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not gonna pretend ...

to know how which guys would play better on a line with other guys, and I don’t know how anyone else not wearing a uniform on the ice with these guys or watching them every day at practice would know either. Because so far, even they don’t have the answer. But I do know that they haven’t lost 6 in a row because of goaltending, and I also know that there’s not a defenseman who ever lived that played every puck perfectly or was in exactly the right position at all times, so Hamonic and MacDonald and those 2 Winnipeg goals also are not the reason for losing 6 in a row.

I also THINK I know the coach is not the reason. He knows these guys are good enough to bury some of the good chances they get , regardless of who’s out there with them at a given time, so he’s been patient and figured they’d come around. That’s totally reasonable, but now it’s time to stir the pot and mix guys up like, Joe Torre mixed up his lineup to get something going, and it sounds like he’s gonna do that.

The GM should make selective moves to improve his team, and I hope he does, but that’s true losing streak or no losing streak. And maybe throwing one or more of the kids in Bridgeport into the mix can light a fuse, but do Justin DiBenedetto’s AHL numbers mean he’s Bobby Hull or Jeff Tambellini? More likely the latter than the former.

This failure to score is really baffling. Bizarre. Kind of shocking, really. But I’m not freaking out. Yet.

by dose on Nov 4, 2011 9:57 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

The Catalyst/Grabner Effect

2010-2011 recap( overly simplified edition): Grabner runs wild after slow start, scores goals, teams shift focus from T/Pap/M (and rest of team), isles win games!!. 2011-2012 recap (10 game edition): Taveres scores & draws focus of every team, Grabner streaks into offensive zone draws 2 defenders immediately & receives little/no offensive support from teamates loosing scoring opportunity, isles lose games!! Love MG & what he brings to team and I’m not trying to imply team’s poor start is his fault, but rather the obvious issue with this still young season – lack of secondary scoring. MG’s 3 goals in 10 games projects to a more than respectable 24g season but Cappy needs to tinker with lines and get MG more support to turn him loose to strike fear into opponents again. Maybe overly simplifying things but other than JT in those 2 games isles have lacked offensive catalyst and my money is on MG to provide it.

by naspiorad on Nov 4, 2011 10:07 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Disagree with one point, Dom.

I think Isles played a MUCH better 1st game v. Pens (0-2 loss, was it?) than last night. If not for Fleury, Isles would have been right in that game. But last night they didn’t start playing until the 25-minute mark. Isles didn’t test the goalie last night like they did Fleury.

All they had to do last night was skate hard in the first period, make simple passes, and forecheck, and the Jets would have been worn down by the 3rd period.

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 4, 2011 10:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Good point

As always (this goes to everyone), thanks for fact-checking me.

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by Dominik on Nov 4, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you mean we need to be more aggressive (PIMS), then I agree 100%.

Funny how penalties are bad, but PIMS as a stat used to be used to measure toughness. I’d like to see a few more bad ass elbowing penalites if it meant a little bit more room in the corners. Our 5-on-5 can’t bear anyone right now so I’d like to se what our 4-on-5 could do. They are playing hockey for the timid, which is 100% not what I think Capuano would be coaching. The guy looks like he should be riding a Brontosaurus in the quarry, not at a dance recital.

by Hockey1919 on Nov 4, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is time...

The season is getting away from us for the following reasons:

1. They can not put the puck in the net.
2. They are horrible on faceoffs
3. They can not get the puck out of their zone once it gets deep.
4. They are with few exceptions a slow team.
5. They are a soft team with no intensity.

It is time for drastic changes:
1. Pandolfo, Rolston, Staios, Mottau and Eaton, send down to BP let them clear waivers if they don’t who cares let them be claimed. They are old and slow. Snow bringing old players to be mentors does not work if they are not good enough to play in the NHL anymore.

2. Team needs Energy and Intensity. Have Reasoner center Martin and bring up Haley. Let them be the spark plug the team desperately needs.

3. The 1st person BENCHED needs to be Bailey. Bring up Ullstrom for a few games. Have Bailey understand, no more excuses, it is time to produce or you will be a healthy scratch.

4. Bring up Wishart and Donavan. They can not be any worse than Eaton, Staios, and Mottau.

5. Shuffle the lineup. As much as the 1st line started the season great they are not clicking either anymore. JT seems to be trying to do too much with the puck and pressing, not looking for outlet passes to Moulson and PA. Here are possible lineup changes:
Grabner-JT-Nino
Moulson-Neilsen-PA
Comeau-Ullstrom-Okposo
Martin-Reasoner-Haley

I was not happy during the pre-season, besides games 2-4 of this season they have not played well at all. They have sleep walked through periods and or the whole game. Not even in their wins except for 1 game did they play 3 periods. Changes must be made before another season is lost.

by mordred0831 on Nov 4, 2011 10:43 AM EDT reply actions  

When is it time?

1. Wishart already played with the team last season. Not that big of a change there.
2. Haley already played with the team last season. Not that big of a change there either.
3. Nino was supposed to play with the team this year and will be here.
4. The only real changes is Ullstrom and Donovan. Neither player I want to stay with the big club. Just a few game look. Give Bailey some perspective. Have not given up on Bailey. I still have hope he will be the player we hoped he would be, Donavan is a reach I know, but still for a few games look at, can not hurt. Eaton is serviceable but not too thrilled with his play.

Rolston, Staios, Pandolfo, and Mottau were not good pickups, Eaton is marginal at best.

by mordred0831 on Nov 4, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who was confident?

My preseason scouting reprt said the 3rd and 4th lines were an abomination. The 2nd line looked average at best but I figured they would turn it around. Well they haven’t. Okposo is the problem. He also needs to wake his #ss up. Maybe delegating him to 3rd line duty might just do that. Also I said this team was soft and God help us look how soft we are. So to say we were all confident about this team is far from true.

by mordred0831 on Nov 4, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rolston

Nobody is going to pick him up on waivers and if he is BP it counts against the cap.

I have defended Bailey more than anybody on numerous posts, but maybe a kick in the #ss is what he needs. I said bench him for a few games and let Ullstrom play. I do not want to waive him, if he does not turn it around by the deadline then it is time to trade him.

by mordred0831 on Nov 4, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

THIS ISN'T CORRECT.

Sorry for the all caps but I’ve seen this several times in the past few days, so here goes:

Rolston is on a 35+ contract. You cannot get out from the cap hit of those, even if they retire or you send them to Mike Tyson’s Bolivan.

Stupid complex CBA…(although I like this rule)

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by Dominik on Nov 4, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

When have you EVER seen a team waive five guys all at once in the middle of the season?

That is utter, Milburian insanity.

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by Fabtraption on Nov 4, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

So what..

If we loose any of those guys are we really loosing anything. They have not brought anything to the table. They are old players, and nobody will pick them up on waivers anyway. All you are doing in actuality is reassigning them to BP. Pandolfo and Staios were camp invitees, Mottau and Eaton were lost all last season, and Rolston will still count against the cap in BP. A win, win situation in all.

Bailey we can not send to BP because we will loose him to waivers. I still have faith he will turn it around. If by the trade deadline he doesn’t then you trade him before he has no trade value. Package him with a 1st round pick assuming it is not a lottery pick, and Nabbi for a top 4 defenseman. If we are a draft lottery team again, we trade all the old men and Bailey, Comeau, and Parenteau, for as many draft picks as we can get and start bringing up the kids for the rest of the season.

Team will definately look different next season anyway.
1. Parenteau may or may not be resigned,
2. Comeau probably will not be resigned, maybe traded
3. Nabbi probably will be traded before the end of the season
4. All the old men that have been previously mentioned will not be on the team
5. Strome will be here
6. Nino is added this season
7. Kabanov might be here
8. DeHaan and or Donavan will probably be here
9. Ullstrom, Dibo, or Cizikis might be here
10. Bailey who knows?
11. Montoya, DiPi, and Poulin who knows?

This years team is the transition team anyway but we hoped they would make the playoffs, and give some of our Very Young Vets some playoff experience. We still need a legit Vet at both RW and top 4 defenseman, so we do not have to rely on the kids completely next season.

by mordred0831 on Nov 4, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying they won't be gone before next season

but waiving them at this point in time, right now, only 10 games into the season? That’s ludicrous. You can’t overhaul a roster like that in the middle of the season and expect the team to still be a contender. The team needs to figure out a way to get themselves out of this hole whether it’s through benchings, line changes, or one or two call-ups.

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by Fabtraption on Nov 4, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eaton shouldn't be waived

And probably not Staios or Pandolfo either. But Mottau I’d have no problem seeing waived. And Rolston I think Isles can safely waive because who in their right mind would pick up his salary?

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 4, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

To know what it's like to get rid of half your NHL bodies

See 2008-09. Fail for Nail!

And what is this “loose” business. Doesn’t playing loose lead to wins?

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by Dominik on Nov 4, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Next pre- game meeting

with the team, Cap will only have one slide on his PowerPoint presentation that says:

“Make an effort or you’ll get Cody Rosen’d.”

by DavidSweden on Nov 4, 2011 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

I can think of nothing

that ownership would like to see more than an “Occupy NVMC” movement, so long as they are paying fans.

STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!

by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Nov 4, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

But seriously folks

No matter how much you dislike him DiPietro canNOT be blamed for that…. that….. fiasco last night.

Goal #1 was a Clusterf**k from the blueline in. Goal #2, was an Own Goal by MacDonald and the third, well, the third was what it was.

I’m disappointed that the fans are booing, but the play deserves it. This team is supposed to be good this seaosn.

I don’t have a problem with the early goalie pull, but it IS after all a desperation play and sometimes desperation plays don’t work.

Looking forward to seeing Nino here soon.

STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!

by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Nov 4, 2011 11:36 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Very good in the 1st two periods, when it mattered

Shaky in the 3rd, when we all could pretty much see Isles weren’t going to find a way to score a goal.

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 4, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

DP was a little off it seemed, definitely not Monty or Naby good so far.

I don’t fault him for the goals. One was a shot from point blank from a forward that A-mac let walk right in and in front of the crease after he beat Hamonic and the other one was an own-goal Macdonald just shot by him.

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Nov 4, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Running Total

Kyle 0; Post 1. (Kyle didn’t hit the post last night, right?)

Streit: B-. Definitely a below-average game for Streit. (I could dock him more for being the Captain, but these grades are purely on-ice performance.)
3.168 (10 games played)

Staios: C+. Perhaps he was a little worse, but if so his performance was overshadowed by the next two.
2.270 (10)

Hamonic: D. He stopped taking the body when Jurcina entered the lineup. Travis, we are allowed to have two defensemen hitting in one game. His defensive (non)play on the first goal was the worst by a defenseman this season, and that is counting 3 or 4 Mottau pylons. And it happened at a crucial time in a crucial game…. Travis played great the first 5 games of the season (he was exceeding expectations according to most of us). Must start taking the body again.
3.095 (10)

AMac: D. Perhaps it is unfair to give him such a low grade based mostly on the first period, but I think it is equally unfair that he didn’t decide to show up for that period.
2.770 (10)

Eaton: C. Decent.
2.410 (10)

Jurcina: C. One awful defensive play left a forward alone with Rick. Otherwise he may have been the Isles’ best defenseman last night. I am a Jurcina fan, but he should never be close to the best defenseman.
2.333 (3)

Not in action:

Mottau: C+.
1.946 (7)

I watched the 1st goal over a few times. Yes, Hamonic and Amac were awful for that goal, but Comeau’s (non)play was even more infuriating, IMO. It was a 2-on-5 break, because the Jets were changing. Comeau either (a) spaced out and didn’t know the Jets were changing, in which case he should have found a man to pick up OR (b) knew the Jets were changing and decided he was not going to help out defensively no matter what.

It was clear that Hamonic was beaten and Amac was doing his best trying to stop Kane 1-on-1 in the most dangerous part of the ice. Instead of collapsing on Kane, Comeau just continued to glide back towards the goal. Another forward easily had the other Jet covered. (And even if he didn’t, Comeau made no attempt to cover the 2nd guy.) Comeau could have likely prevented the goal with even a little nudge— and he was capable of giving Kane a pretty good body check from the side.

Comeau needs to sit. And it’s a shame, because he’s capable of 20+ goals and good two-way hockey. He just doesn’t care.

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 4, 2011 12:10 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Keep these coming.

Not crazy about Jurcina’s play with the empy net either. Seems like he could have played the puck up the near boards instead of laying it out into center ice for the Jets to pick it up. Having an extra attacker does not mean you can play stupid. Minor mistake on a night made up of minor mistakes that prevent them from ever getting things going. He also has to get the puck on the net, not just blast it wide and into Jet players.

Eaton, I would have graded him slightly higher since I think he played a better game last night than Mottau has averaged as an Islander.

Plus, I am not a fan of pulling the goaltender with 3 minutes left. It just doesn’t work. I agress with your Comeau assessment as well. We have very consistent forwards, they won’t go to the next, whether it is the on the offensive side or defensive side of the rink.

by Hockey1919 on Nov 4, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTW, that C+ next to Mottau's name is a typo, from his last game played, I believe

But you are right: Mottau’s average grade sits around ‘C’, partially because of a B or B+ he somehow managed one game.

Being down 2 goals with 3 minutes left hardly ever ends well. But I agree that it’s better to pull with less time.

Agress? Did you mean agree? It sounded like you’re disagreeing with that, but I’m not sure. Comeau played well the rest of the game, but he was either spacing out or not trying on that first goal.

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 4, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed my keyboard has the “s”, “e” and “d” keys too close together. It really isn’t my ability to type or spell.

by Hockey1919 on Nov 4, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amac

needed to take the body on that play. I hate putzing around the front of your own net playing the puck instead of the man. No, not right in front of the net do you do that.

"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)

by Bryan2112 on Nov 4, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

And not when it is a 2-on-5, especially.

Take the body and one of the other Isles would have taken the puck.

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 4, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

When will Bailey and Okposo be considered 1st round busts?

Im thinking pretty damn soon. If these guys would produce some goals we’d have a legit second line! This is so sickening…………….wasted high picks.

by Jethro9 on Nov 4, 2011 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Not any time soon

You’re aware of the forwards drafted immediately after Okposo, right?

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by Dominik on Nov 4, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our Suck timing, really sucks

Seems our worst years are the years when there are bad drafts. You can say the Islanders have had a lot of top five picks, but you can’t say they have had a lot of top five picks in years where there was a lot of depth. This past draft with Couturier and Hamilton still on the board was a rare treat.

by Hockey1919 on Nov 4, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

But you could still argue Isles were unlucky to lose the lottery (Larsson).

How is Larsson doing for Devs? I haven’t been paying much attention.

I like “the idea” of Strome very much, but Larsson would have been a good fit for Isles this season, it seems.

Isles did luck out a little that Tavares was available in the draft. Not every #1 overall pick was as highly thought of as Tavares the day he was drafted, and I think he’ll turn out at least as good as the average #1 overall pick the past 10 or 15 years.

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 4, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

The NHL did us a favor by having NJ win the lottery...

I think it was Strome all the way for Garth, no matter who was on the board. Garth would have taken Strome @ 4 if everything went in order, and the sky would have been falling.

by billymac23 on Nov 4, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a really interesting question

No way of knowing, but I don’t completely doubt that would happen.

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by Dominik on Nov 4, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Larsson has been logging top minutes for them on defense last I checked.

Then again, judging from the offensive output so far this season, we may need Strome too.

Same token Tavares has been great, but number ones in the past few seasons have been lotsonames-Hopkins, Hall, Tavares, Stamkos, Kane, Johnson, Crosby, and Ovechkin so it was all pretty much a slew of fast balls down the middle.

by Hockey1919 on Nov 4, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Larsson has been pretty good already

He is smart, poised, moves the puck very well, and is killer on the PP. I would love to have him instead of Staios right now.

From what I’ve seen, I think there are a couple of obvious problems this season:

a.) D-men outlets.
b.) D-men joining the rush.

The D we had last year were actually not bad at both, and maybe that is a change the forwards are having trouble dealing with right now. Streit is the only guy that can do both effectively….1 out of 6….no good.

I had forgotten that we lost the lottery….and now it stings even more knowing we could have had Larsson.

by JPinNYC on Nov 4, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

When Amac and Hamonic are playing well...

…(seems like ages ago, I realize), they are both serviceable at both.

But yes, Martinek and Hillen could both transition the puck better than all but Streit. Does that mean it was wrong of Garth to lose them? In Martinek’s case, with his injury history, probably not. Hillen is more debatable.

Also, Streit easily replaces the abilities of one of the two.

I think Garth counted on more from Wishart and/or Katic. Or even Donovan/deHaan, possibly.

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 4, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well they are not contributing

And its alarming. Regardless of who was taken after Okposo, he still isnt playing up to his high draft slot. Bailey either. When will they be considered busts? How much longer do they get?

by Jethro9 on Nov 4, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Couple years more, at least

Most players don’t even show up in the NHL until 22-23, so of course ones drafted high get more and more chances than normal — there’s a base talent there that teams are chasing.

But even first rounders are never sure things. Top 5 or so these days usually deliver, but it starts to get less certain quickly after that.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Nov 5, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Way too soon to go down that road for Okposo. Bailey, well, that's a different story...........

Okposo did put up a 19/34/53 season before the injury and was on pace for 44 pts last season. However, he does need to get his shit together. He’s just not playing physical enough. At worst he’ll be a really good 3rd line 40 pt guy and at best a 1 or 2 line 25/35/60+ pt guy. I woulnd’t consider either a bust in the same way that we don’t even know if Bailey will be a long-term NHLer. The jury is out on Bailey. He could end up being a “tweener” good enough to dominate AhL’ers, but not good enough to really stick in the NHL. Okposo is beyond that. . Many of the players are pressing and over-thinking things right now.

by NewIsles on Nov 4, 2011 12:37 PM EDT reply actions  

how extreme are these changes?

Probably not that extreme.
The Isles need to play some good hockey and get out of that funk. We all agree some changes need to be made, but what changes? Who knows? We sit here and contradict ourselves every season. It sucks, but we need to see how this plays out.

Toughness: Does this team need it? Not so sure. We play Gillies, and people bitch about a waste of a roster spot for 2 minutes a game. We don’t play him, we’re not tough enough. Then there’s Micael Haley. Listen, he’s a legend for the Penguin game, but if he was a solution, he’d be here already. He’s not. It’s not like guys who can fight, hit hard, and score grow on trees. And if they did, they wouldn’t want to sign here.

Veterans: We need them. We lost an ungodly amount of games last season, and people said it would’ve been nice if we had a veteran presence. We didn’t. Now we do, and they’re the problem. We need to make up our minds. What did we expect from Rolston or Pandolfo this season? Maybe a little offense from Rolston, but Pandolfo is NOT the problem. The guy plays well, and is perfect for our 4th line. Rolston can sit, I have no problem with that, because he’s not providing offense like it is expected of him. Pandolfo should stay because he’s done his job. Let’s not sit him because of the game he plays. He’s the new Jon Sim, but he’s actually better.

Rookies: Leave them alone!! Leave de Haan, Donovan, and anyone else in Bridgeport. We bring them up maybe they struggle. Then, in 2 years, we rushed them.

Listen, I am as frustrated as anyone else. I am by no means an expert, and I know everyone is open to their opinions. I think changes will come with the guys we have in the lineup already.

by billymac23 on Nov 4, 2011 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I am by no means an expert

Then Andy Sutton don’t wanna talk to you.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Nov 4, 2011 5:11 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Doh! Reply fail

to bilymac23…

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Nov 4, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah-ha!

That might be right. Feels like that’s happened before.

So the lesson is don’t ever reply to the last post, ever. ;)

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Nov 5, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ain't nobody tell me what ta do

"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)

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1979-80


May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.

The victory justified the faith in coach Al Arbour who guided them from their second season to their first Stanley Cup seven seasons later. The Islanders would not be the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup, but they would be the only one capable of a dynasty.

1980-81


May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.

Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.

1981-82


May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.

A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.

1982-83


May 17, 1983: Not so fast, whipper-snappers. The Edmonton Oilers' steadily rising challenge for league supremacy took them all the way to the finals for the first time, where the New York Islanders summarily dispatched them in a four-game sweep. For the Islanders, the Dynasty was secured. For the Oilers, it was a powerful lesson in where talent ends and the demands of playoff hockey begin.

Four years, four Cups, 16 consecutive playoff series wins (a record that would grow to 19 until the rematch with the Oilers the following year). Mike Bossy scored 60 goals yet again, and Wayne Gretzky became acquainted with Billy Smith's crease.


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