Islanders Bits: Comeau/Nino Notes; Isles Land in Buffalo
by Dominik on Nov 29, 2011 6:30 AM EST
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Newsday's Arthur Staple caught up with Charles Wang, who predictably offered no comment on the arena situation that lurks in the background of every story about the franchise.
But Staple did get Wang's thoughts on the bad first quarter and how the team will proceed, basically saying this is a journey filled with lessons and adjustments for everyone, from leadership on down to the young players upon whom so much faith rests.
The story also includes thoughts on budget:
"We're not a big-market team that can spend like some teams do," he said. "But I've never said no to what Garth wants to do. If it makes sense for our team, then we'll do it. We've tried to be conservative and make smart decisions..."
Given the team's revenue limits and budget that affects other teams (as we'll see below), I agree conservatism and smart decisions are essential in a de facto small-market environment -- that has to be why they signed the internal extensions they did this past summer, presumably locking guys up at what will eventually be discounts.
But that's also what makes the inability to salvage something for Blake Comeau a tough one (e.g. keep him around for deadline pump-and-dump?), though his 24-goal season and the arbitration-avoiding salary that resulted likely complicated that.
When Comeau Hit Waivers, Revisited
Elliotte Friedman's always essential 30 Thoughts column included several notes on the Islanders, including one that paints a different light on the whole "shopping Blake Comeau for picks" thing:
Comeau had a few claims, Minnesota and Nashville among them. The Islanders -- like many teams right now -- didn't want to take on salary, so they dropped him. A 25-year-old who scored 24 goals last season? Seems a tough way to lose a player...
No mention of what kind of salary was offered the other way -- "Let's exchange baggage!" -- but that keeps your general "What if they swapped for Tomas Kaberle?" type of roster-gazing alive. (Kaberle has 3 years at $4.25 million each, which the Canes surely regret and which you figure, if it was even on the table, might be more money and risk than the Isles would want to swallow.)
It's interesting when the league is at the point where people will only offer their problems, not even a pick, or else take their chances on a $2.5 million Comeau waivers.
That Friedman column also touched on budget restraints in Anaheim (who did not put in a claim on Comeau) and the muddied situation in Colorado. Just keeping with the misery loves company theme.
There are notes on Nino Niederreiter too, with an East Conference observer basically saying it's unconventional but in pattern with how Blake Comeau and Kyle Okposo (and now Marty Reasoner) were scratched before him.
Islanders Links
- We mentioned this yesterday, but tonight's opponent is kind of banged up. Of course, they still were good enough to get Bruce Boudreau fired, in a "the guy scored in OT won the game" sense.
- Staple had Niederreiter re-entering the lineup (more below) thanks to Jay Pandolfo's broken foot, with Marty Reasoner looking like a scratch yet again.
- On that note, Erick Hornick makes a point we don't make enough but hinted at in yesterday's Q1 report card: Michael Grabner needs to be used on the PK. Often. Maybe Pandolfo's injury forces that.
- Between practice and landing in Buffalo, there were airplane Twitter shenanigans, recaptured by Captdallas in this FanPost.
- David Ullstrom at center? Well he got reps there in practice anyway, and loves faceoffs. Hearing Jack Capuano talk about his strengths is, well it's an official site piece but they are the same traits I hope Ullstrom can display at this level.
- Also from the official site: The rehabilitation of Andrew MacDonald
- And Ryan Strome and Brenden Kichton are invited to Canada's WJC camp. IIHF: Canada, Russia assemble players
- Fun stuff from our own Torgo, compiling which Islanders are hit the most as well as who delivers the most hits.
- Is this La Presse article (French) calling Kirill Kabanov a diver?
- Dougtone's photos from the Nov. 25 Isles-Devils game. [FanShot]
- Here's where you leave your FIG picks for tonight's game.
League Rumblings
- Very interesting piece on watching hockey, and how it's hard for you to see everything you think you see. I would say wariness of this reality is the chief reason I try to solicit so many varied opinions around here: You cannot know everything that's going on out there.
- I don't feel any reason to ever let new Capitals coach Dale Hunter forget this, do you?
- Nonetheless, he has an NHL job: "I don’t believe in run-and-gun hockey"
- At least his owner is classy toward the out-going Bruce Boudreau.
- And on the topic of hiring villains for Isles fans, here's six challenges for new Canes coach Kirk Muller, who I'm told will report to Carolina.
- Our SBN blogs for those hires: Canes Country and Japers' Rink (Caps)
- Quisp at Jewels from the Crown doesn't like Trent Hunter (who, believe it or not, was on the Kings first line last night and pleased Terry Murray as he plead for his players to "get shots on early" or something), but RudyKelly is slightly more tolerant (which is a funny phrase I'd never thought I'd say). The Kings won anyway, with a fourth-line goal. Here's Quisp's amazing sortable database of NHL coaching records.
- On regression: "You have to feel fans of Minnesota and the Rangers are in for a shock."
- On the elusive quantification of "shot quality": Almost don't bother trying, because so many other factors are bigger, such as just getting a shot off in the first place.
- If you accept that the Islanders are in some ways trying to be a Nashville East -- climbing to the top on a budget in a tough division through slow, internal development -- then you must worry about the challenge of every decision once you get there. Here's an interesting look at the Predators struggles this year, which could be described as decline by a thousand depth cuts, and one big goalie contract.
- Sticking with the "we're not alone" theme, and the Kings: Scott Parse may need double-hip surgery, and he's had hip issues in the past. The hockey gods, they share their hate.
- 24/7 Winter Classic hype: Jody Shelley said Brandon Dubinsky plays like a weasel. Dubinsky fires back that Shelly is a terrible hockey player. Both statements may be true.
- The Russian Rocket On Putin, The Hall of Fame, Ovechkin and Sochi | CanucksArmy
- Explanation of the three-game suspension on Max Pacioretty for his hit on Kris Letang, which Letang was viewed partially responsible for.
- He should know: Is Ovechkin a coach killer? | Hockey | CBC Sports [Milbury]
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" But it's not like we're getting killed out there every night" 'Wang
Nah, just shut out about every third game.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 29, 2011 8:33 AM EST reply actions
I'm not the guy's biggest critic
But that sounded like some political weasel’s answer.
Show some fire, it’s not all good right now. The fans were excited for this year, and it’s looks like another lost season.
I sure would’ve loved a question about the treatment of Montoya this year. That deserves to be answered too. Except i think most of us already know what’s up with that situation.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 29, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
I sure would’ve loved a question about the treatment of Montoya this year. That deserves to be answered too. Except i think most of us already know what’s up with that situation.
“The treatment of Montoya” has got to be one of the most overhyped ‘issues’ of the season as far as Im concerned.
The guy has had only around 7 games all season where he was healthy and wasnt dressed- and those games were at the beginning of the season when they were trying out Nabokov, then Rick got a few games when Nabokov got hurt the first time. Both of them did fine in those games, too. And the minute Montoya was healthy again, the Isles were starting him again. I cant think of any goalie in the NHL who would be unhappy with that kind of treatment.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, i know you don't agree
You’re one of the few, but you don’t agree.
I get it. No need to really talk about it with you anymore. You’re not going to change your mind on the issue, and i’m not trying to change anybody’s mind, since most Isles fans seem to agree that it is somewhat fishy.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 29, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Most Isles fans
Are a bit ignorant in times of crisis lol like the people who swear that Konopka and “toughness” were the reasons we did so well last year. TMCs right, Montoya has in no way shape or form been mistreated, the only goalie they really sat him for was Nabokov to showcase him and get his arse out of here. Its not debeateable, thats a fact. People need to stop arguing a bullshit point, theres plenty of other legitimate things about this team that warrant complaint (Shoddy defense, Grabner Reasoner and Nielsen being misused, goalie pulls with 7 hours left in the game, possibly the act of waiving Comeau)
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by Zhora on Nov 29, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Its not that ist so much a BS point as it is a point that made some sense at the time but needs to be revised once people got more information. What screwed things up so badly is when Montoya hurt his neck and hamstring, the Isles did not tell anyone. (Isles not telling people a goalie is hurt? Shock.) So every day there were fans clammoring to see him play, getting more and more angry that he didnt. Nobody knew he was hurt. Now that we DO know he was hurt all the time he wasnt playing (except for those 7 games at the start of the season when Nabokov got most of the starts) that should require people to revise their thinking from that time. The “unfair treatment” didnt happen the way they thought it did.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
The neck was hardly a surprise
I mean, Kinnick barreled through him on that play.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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He sure did.
Montoyas a tough kid, fortunately.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Playing Nabby to trade him when Montoya was playing pretty damn well is a good idea?
Yeah, this guy’s on his head, but we might get a 3rd round pick for Nabby, so let’s play him. Just what we need, another draft pick. I mean that’s much better than a hot start, right?
That’s exactly why we are in the boat we are in. Just like a poster said here last week, it’s a constant training camp.
Brian Rolston, after Al’s good start. “Wow, if he keeps playing like this, we have a chance.” Oh really, lets play the guy we want to trade and the AHL goalie signed for 10 more years. Yeah, I’m sure the team loved that idea.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 29, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
FYI Nabokov played just as well as Montoya did in those first games (which was the only stretch of starts Nabokov got when Montoya was healthy)
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Sigh...
The goalies were not the problem this season. Nabokov’s play did not hinder the Islanders from winning games – their complete and utter failure to score goals did.
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by Fabtraption on Nov 29, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nabby is 1-5
He played fine yes, but can you find me another goalie thaty has Al’s stats that has to split time with a guy as washed up as DP?
good luck.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 29, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
OMG Dude
If you’re reciting records, Montoya in 7 starts has gotten the Isles 7 points. DiPietro in 5 starts…that’s right, 7 points.
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by Chris McNally on Nov 29, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good point
has Al had any assists to the other team?
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 29, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
No, but I'm talkng about in October
My problem isn’t lately, Al was hurt and they have been playing him.
I’m talking about after the good start he had, then he started hibernating. lately, he’s been playing.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 29, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Once again, Nabokov did just as well as Montoya during those starts in October. Their stats were almost identical.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
I have that info
Small sample size and all, but here’s some interesting stuff:
Cubano: 3-3-1; 15 GF, 17 GA; .929 sv % on 31 shots/60 (463 total min); 7/8
Nabby: 1-5-0; 11 GF, 18 GA; .910 sv% on 31.6 shots/60 (382 total min); 5/7
RDP: 2-2-3; 14 GF, 18 GA; .885 sv% on 29.8 shots/60 (314 total min); 2/6
That final bold number is the number of times each goalie has stopped 90% or better of the shots against out of how many games they’ve played. (I am leaving out Nabokov’s 2-for-2 performance in his injury start against Montreal.) One of Nabokov’s two bad games was a 14-minute appearance. DiPietro owns four of the Isles’ eight sub-par goalie games, and one of his two other games was exactly .900 (stopping 27 of 30).
And the thing is, the Isles have WON two of his bad ones. With that kind of goal support, Nabokov could be .500 or better; Montoya could conceivably be 6-0-1.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Nov 29, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Mikb,
Combined with what my eyes tell me, Al should be the starter. A normal starter.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 29, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
I'm just saying
You spouted off Nabokov’s record then went into a think about Montoya splitting time with DP but conveniently forgot to mention their records.
Does DiPietro infuriate me, hell yes. Did he lose us that game against the Flyers? 90% yes. But has goaltending really been an issue that we need to ask Charles Wang, the team owner, why a guy with 33 career NHL games under his belt isn’t starting the majority of the games?
Come on, man
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by Chris McNally on Nov 29, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They need to ask somebody
Not that any of them would answer anyways.
I think you may have taken my initial post a little too literally too. i was just bitching about the treatment of Al more.
Everybody else around here can bitch, except me.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 29, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
You nailed it
Come on, BNOY, you should know that any “Montoya games played”comment here shall not go unpunished. Thats one of the commandments!
Dude, most of us agree - Montoya's is way better than Ricky and probably better than Nabby.
So what he started about 1, maybe 2 fewer games because of showcasing Nabby. What’s the big deal. There is a good reason to let Nabby play. Teams won’t give anything of value until he’s proven himself at the NHL level. We need to build for the future and playing Nabby instead of Al 1 or 2 times is worth it.
by TMS71 on Nov 29, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As Al assisted on any GWGs for the Isles?
by Hockey1919 on Nov 29, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
nope =)
Last season, Al assisted on a first-period goal by Frans Neilsen against Philadelphia.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Splitting time? Nabokov and Montoya are the ones who are splitting time.
Rick has gotten zero starts when Nabokov and Montoya were both healthy. Zero.
He didnt even get all the starts when they were both injured!
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Well either we play him to trade him
Or were stuck with 3 goalies for most of the season. And at the end of the day, we could have started Montoya every game this season, wed have 1, MAYBE 2 more wins because it wasnt goaltending that was the problem. Like TMC said above Montoya was hurt for a lil while we just didnt know about it. The number of starts given to our goalies is completely normal under these circumstances (granted, carrying 3 goalies for 20+ games is not normal)
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by Zhora on Nov 29, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
plus = Konopka
Minus = no Konopka
by Strong Island Thuggery on Nov 29, 2011 12:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What is the issue exaclty?
Whether you agree with their strategy or not, the Islanders went into the season with 3 goalies that they were set on giving equal time to. Nabokov has started 8 games, Montoya 7, DiPietro only 5. Where is the conspiracy? Whether Al was playing better than the others doesn’t matter bc their philosophy was give each goalie an equal chance. Plus Montoya has started the past 2 games and most likely will start tonight. So why are we even talking about it?
And do you really think Wang has ANY input on who starts in goal? Bc if you do, I;m sure your book collection contains a handful of books on JFK and Roswell. The owner has zero input on who plays.
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by Chris McNally on Nov 29, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
;=)
If you think Cappy wants to give DP any starts you might be living in Roswell.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 29, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
I didn't say Cappy
I think a lot of the goaltending decisions come down from Snow, but Wang has a lot more on his plate being other businesses and trying to get an arena, that I doubt he’s wasting his time texting Snow or Capuano with lineup advice.
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by Chris McNally on Nov 29, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
So you've never heard of an owner meddling?
There have been plenty of instance in pro sports about a guy gettting to Play because the owner is overpaying said player and tells his employee to play him. It’s happened over and over.
i don’t know as much about the NHL as I do about the NFL, but I can name you about 5 or 6 instances off the top of my head where a team played a qb who wasn’t half as good over a qb who was playing great, because he was making the most money.
I won’t even go as far as to say Wang is doing that ( I think Garth is)
Now I think we can all agree Al has been the better of the 3? So I will make you a promise. Unless Al tanks, if they make him the number 1 goalie from here on out, I will never say a word about this again. i got a feeling we ain’t seen the last stretch of games where Al won’t be the starting goalie, even if deserved. but only time will tell.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 29, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
If you want to start putting Charles Wang in the same category as Jerry Jones and Mark Cuban, knock yourself out
I’ll make you a promise. If the Islanders ever cut ties with Rick DiPietro then you can harp about Montoya not starting all you want (although I’m sure Poulin will be around by then). But as long as DiPietro is on this team, even if he starts 2 games in a row, Isles fans (not just you) will complain about the other guy not starting
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by Chris McNally on Nov 29, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
HUh?
i can’t even recall Jerry Jone’splaying a guy he paid over a guy playing better, Jerry has endless pockets, why would he care? I’m pretty sure Jerry would do the opposite. I mean he’s a douceh, a liar, a con man, but he wanst to win over saving money. And I don’t watch NBA.
Ralph Wilson did it in one of the smallest markets in the country in Buffalo.
Doug Flutie and Rob Johnson. It’s a well known fact and it alienated the whole fricking team who wanted Flutie playing.
So for you just to dismiss my idea as impossible is beyond ridiculous. You act like I’m the first person to ever assume DP is still playing because he’s friend’s with the people running the team. I’m not., I’m just new to that club.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
You think just bc these guys have money they don't care if the guy plays or not
This has nothing to do with money. Bc if it did, Wang would’ve sent DiPietro packing a long time ago and saved himself money. Small market and large market doesn’t matter bc with 90% of the owners it’s all about large ego. Of course Jones has had players play even though there were better players on the team. One guy in the past couple years comes to mind, Roy Williams. He was a complete bust out at WR and the Cowboys had other options. And I highly doubt that Wade Phillips was the guy running him out there every game anyway.
Again it isn’t about the money with these guys, it’s about egos. And Jones is very much involved in personnel decisions and when he goes out and gets a player, he wants to be right about him. Same with Cuban. Same with most owners. These guys have money to burn, even Charles does. If they didn’t they wouldn’t be able to purchase a major sports franchise. They don’t like losing it, but the majority will lose it to make a point.
You’re a lot closer with your idea that Charles is having DiPietro played bc he’s his friend. And now we’ll get back to my original point. I don’t think Charles says to Garth Snow or Jack Capuano “Hey tonight you’re playing Ricky”. I don’t even think he says “Make sure Ricky starts at least 2 of the next 5 games”
But what I do believe, and this ties into your friends theory, is that DiPietro is on this team bc he is friends with Charles Wang. Charles is willing to eat this contract bc he is friends with Rick DiPietro. But that’s where I believe it ends. I think Charles is loyal to DiPietro to a point, but not where he’s going to demand that DiPietro play specific games.
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by Chris McNally on Nov 29, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Now I think we can all agree Al has been the better of the 3? So I will make you a promise. Unless Al tanks, if they make him the number 1 goalie from here on out, I will never say a word about this again. i got a feeling we ain’t seen the last stretch of games where Al won’t be the starting goalie, even if deserved. but only time will tell.
I do not think Montyoya is going to “tank”. And I also dont think the Islanders are going to tell Nabokov to go F himself and rot on the bench. I think they are going to BOTH get starts (DiPi will prob get an occasional start too) because any team would play Nabokov- he is a pro and he has not given the Islanders any reason NOT to play him. So I guess that means you will be a sad panda when Nabokov is back from injury.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Nabby shoud play
about as much as any backup plays.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 29, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Not gonna happen.
So its sad panda for you!
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
I already know it's not going to happen. That's my whole point
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 29, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
We really don't know that
There are a number of scenarios in which he plays a normal backup role.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
by afrosupreme on Nov 29, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
BTW, Joseph Milteer coordinated JFK's assassination, it seems.....
…..was furious that he and Bobby were planning to address the civil rights issue soon after his reelection…..
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I don't see it quite that way either. Montoya could have and should have gotten other starts.
It wasn’t quite that simple IMO, but overall goaltending hasn’t been a major issue until RD imploded the last couple games. I understand the reasons for trying out the two other guys (Nabby, DP), but for consistency reasons and getting off to a decent start of the season, Montoya could have and should have been played a few more games. He’s the most steady and team seems to play the most steady behind him.
Montoya could have and should have been played a few more games.
When? The only time Montoya was healthy and didnt start was back in October when NAbokov got starts after Montoya had started 4 games. When should these other starts have taken place? Should the Isles have never played Nabokov at all to begin the season and had no idea what they had in him even though they wanted to move him? Every other time he could have started, he pretty much has. Go back and look through the games, youll see what I mean.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
they should've played Nabby like a regular backup
Like every other team would have.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 29, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Nobody knew what we had in Nabby or Montoya starting the season
It’s easy to say “We should’ve done this in hindsight”, but given Montoya’s small sample size before the season, there’s no way he should’ve been automatically entrusted as the #1 starter. I think it was fair to split starts between him and Nabokov.
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by Fabtraption on Nov 29, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah the Isles really should have bestowed the #1 position on a kid with 20 something games of NHL experience and handed it all to a goalie who had off season surgery and was coming off surgery rehab, just because they like him. Because doing that kind of thing has worked out SO well for them in the past.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
I hear this argument
And the corollary argument that the Islanders would have lost regardless of who was in net.
But it is rare in most any sport to not anoint the #1 goalie (or quarterback, or starting pitcher or catcher, etc. – i.e., key positions in sports) and use him (or her) as so until they disprove said anointing. The whole 4-games-per thing irked me at the beginning, especially since Montoya started out “hot.”
Maybe that did something to the psyche of the team – who knows. Since it can’t be proven either way, why not speculate and bitch about it?
Success was survival and, kid, it still is
by IslesFanInNJ on Nov 29, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
"The team seems to play the most steady behind him"
Yep.
And most teams would’ve rode Al, but instead he had one sub par game, and the first reason to play the other two. So they did.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 29, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
“The team seems to play the most steady behind him”
Another complete fallacy.
This team has sucked for ALL their goalies.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
almost
The offense has been stronger for Ricky -see above. Team has 2.67 GFA for Rick, only 1.94 for Montoya and 1.73 for Nabokov.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Nov 29, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
shhhhh
now you’re just fueling the fire with positive Ricky stats :)
Taking applications for a new favorite Islander.
by Chris McNally on Nov 29, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Why do you need his stats?
watch the games. He’s been awful. Even after a decent start.
I’ve never been a hater of his, or any other Isle, though Mottau is getting close. But he’s done and needs to realize it. And so does the team if they want to move on.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 29, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Dude it was a joke
hence the smiley face. Ease up.
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by Chris McNally on Nov 29, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, I didn't see where you said positive
you’re right that is a joke.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 29, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
LOL- is harping on jokes really necessary?
Heh- look… if you werent joking, then you need to look at thie fact that you brought up the "The team seems to play the most steady behind him" fallacy- but then when mikb point out how completely wrong it is, you say ‘Who needs stats?’ lol? Come on admit it- youd be waiving those stats under everyones nose if they proved your point. Admit it lol.
The difference between you and me is that I have no pony in this race. Im not in anyones cheering section, fist pumping and scrounging around for stats to prove this ones better or that ones better. Im just looking at whats actually happened. :)
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't bring that up, but I agree with it
It’s pretty obvious if you believe what your eyes are telling you, just like I believe they’ve played better since haley got called up. I believe a lot in team, and I believe players play better when they have more confidence in their teammates, and in themselves. Which is next to impossible when DP is in goal, especially after his last game.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 29, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Give up your fixation on DiPietro, man.
The guy has gotten ZERO starts when Montoya and Nabokov were both healthy- none, zilch, nada. The ISles did nt even play him the whole time that both Montyoa and Nabokov were out, they played a kid with no NHL experience. You need to open your eyes and look at whats happening now- not what happened years ago, whats happening NOW. You are imaginging that DiPietro is taking time away from Montoya, but your imagination is not reality.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lmao at I'm fixated. You're the one who has a problem with my opinion,
not the other way around.
My original post had nothing to do with one of the other goalies in particular. the truth is dp is done, he just hasn’t figured it out like we have.
He gets off the ground so slow now, they’re going to have to give him a clapper.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 29, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
“You cant give me up, man.”
b
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
You should've known better Newisles
for some reason it’s okay to bitch about anything else, just not our ridiculous goaltending situation.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 29, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
"treatment"
Oh, yay! I’m so thrilled this same old rehashed argument has dominated yet another thread.
Personally, if I were Wang and were asked the question, I’d say “We came into the season with three goalies. Montoya’s gotten most of the games, despite being injured for part of the time. He’s about to get his third start in a row coming off injury. I think we know who’s won the competition.”
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by Dominik on Nov 29, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Avast!
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
by afrosupreme on Nov 29, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, yay! I’m so thrilled this same old rehashed argument has dominated yet another thread.
There is some kind of memory purge that is taking place every night, I guess. When they wake up in the morning, they are enraged over the unbelievably unfair treatment of Al Montoya and it all just starts over.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
I think everyone who has already established clear disagreement on this
Can pretty much grant it and move on.
I personally don’t see Montoya’s treatment as a crime and get irked when any interpretation of an ambiguous situation is stated as fact, but for the regulars who have been over this and over this, why bother? The dude is starting yet again tonight. I think he’s gonna be okay.
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OK but will he be wearing a giant crown that says "#1 goalie" on it?
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 29, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Aye!
"The reader of this sentence exists only while reading me."
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 29, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
LOL!!!!!!!!!
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
I've had probelms ...
with how the owner has gone about getting a new arena, but no way do I blame him for the self-imposed holding pattern when it comes to spending. When he mentions “smart decisions” it’s obviously from the standpoint of not spending big dough while the future of the franchise is up in the air, as opposed to smart decisions with the singular intent of improving the team. And that’s not only for bringing in big-ticket free agents, but taking on big salary players via trade. I can’t imagine that Snow hasn’t had chances to do something big with the assets he’s gathered and still holds. That means either he’s been under a no-spend rule all along and doesn’t even approach the owner about anything big, or he’s gone to the owner with something big and the owner said no. Either way, it’s hard to fault him for not spending right now. But I’m no longer under any illusions about building a winning team exclusively via the draft and without spending. And as the Giants showed again last night, even if you do spend, it’s tough to win games when you suck.
by dose on Nov 29, 2011 8:54 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
It's a long, LONG way off
But what I see is Garth wanting to avoid what happened to the Blackhawks. They built a winner and champion and then immediately had to dismantle a quarter of it and go back a few steps. Being near the floor means having more money to spend when the time is right. 6-11-4 with guys still finding their groove is not the right time. Consistently solid play and a guaranteed commitment to a new building will be the right time.
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by PGI on Nov 29, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Pretty Good Idiot ....
is right that planning and building what you can now as a head start for when you CAN spend makes sense, and I think Snow’s done a good job at it. Accepting that this is not gonna be a winning team until that time comes – if it comes – is my problem, not the owner’s. I’ve been naive enough to believe they could do it via 4 years of high draft picks and spare-part free agents. That also was my problem. And to quote a great old Fleetwood Mac song (I mean pre-Stevie Nicks/Lindsey Buckingham old) – “I know I’m not the only one.”
The only issue i would have...
… and I’m not so sure this was the right move for the long term, but I can’t imagine that kaberle wasn’t available for a one year, young offensive asset. That deal seems like it was made for both teams. Comeau really needed a change of scenery, the islanders have a huge asset in that they have no cap worries, and are spending at a level that is SHAMEFUL. Kaberle would help their PP, unless of course Doug Weight and Capuano have decided that the way to go is a 4 forwards and a sub 10% PP for the rest of their tenures with the islanders… which may be long, but rather UNPLEASANT.
I say SHAMEFUL because they are within $2.5M of the CAP FLOOR right now and the biggest cap hits are for players that are damaged or pretty useless.
rolston…$5M… USELESS
Dipietro…$4.5M… USELESS
EATON…$2.5M…DAMAGED + USELESS
Yashin…$2.2M….???
$14.2M on players that will most likely not help the team that much this year, next year or ever.
their cap payroll is $49M… basically 29% of their payroll (30 if you include Witt) is in a dumpster behind the coliseum. The fas are getting a $35M team in a $64M league. Any way you slice it, this team has dug itself a huge hole, and now doesn’t want to spend any money on a ladder to get out… They’re basically in fear of broken ladders.
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by JPinVA on Nov 29, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't forget bonuses
Tavares $2.85M
Niederreiter $1.925M
Pandolfo $0.8M
Staios $0.8M
That’s $6.375M or ~13% of their payroll.
Tavares will achieve some bonuses, but the other ones? I doubt.
Excellent Point
So slice about $5M off of the $35M, and basically fans are watching the 1999 Islanders all over again.
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by JPinVA on Nov 29, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
4 1st round picks!
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Nov 29, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Tonight I'm gonna watch hockey like it's 1999
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Nov 29, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm pretty sure that...
somehow Bobby Bonilla is on the Isles books as well!
"Hating the Rangers since before I was born."
by Carl Rackie on Nov 29, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Ducks
Heard from a source of a source Isles have been inquiring on Bobby Ryan…I got no other info than that, so take it for what it’s worth, pure speculation.
personally, i wouldnt mind having bobby ryan
but then you have to think about it, how much would we have to give up in order to get him, but he could definitely be that first line winger everyone keeps asking to put on tavares’s wing
screw homework, its all about islanders hockey
lulz
What would it take to get him? Way, way more than the Isles have to offer. Plus the Ducks would never do it. BR is elite.
When he was a RFA, I advocated making a very aggressive bid, but that window of opportunity has closed.
=d
You think
Strome and a first would get the ball rolling if they wanted to shed salary now?
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
by afrosupreme on Nov 29, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Next question
Would he replace RSH in the AP Hall of Fame?
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
by afrosupreme on Nov 29, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Or
BRHO for short.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
by afrosupreme on Nov 29, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Although...
That could be the equivalent of the Kessel trade, with Strome’s value being that of Hamilton and this year’s picking possibly being top 2 (Seguin)
If I'm Anaheim looking to dump salary
I'm totally dumping the youngest of my three stars.
Actually, Ryan’s 24 while Perry/Getzlaf are 26, so the disparity isn’t as bad as I imagined, but still…
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Ryan is the most logical one to let go
Getzlaf is a more complete player and Perry is a great finisher. Also, Ryan’s contract runs two seasons longer than the other two, so moving him gives Anaheim the most flexibility.
I wonder how close they are to getting Palmieri and Etem and other young forwards up into the lineup.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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But Perry is a tool
So … there!
Agreed on their strengths, I just wonder if they’d prefer to move a guy who’s closer to UFA anyway. But maybe on the same token if they’re seriously considering a grenade, Ryan might return the most value.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Ryan
we must be able to put together a package of underpaid talent for him
Bailey, Nabokov, Petrov + our first round pick in 2013
done?
done?
Supposed bust, over the hill UFA, question mark, top 4-14 future pick?
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
lulz
All of that plus JT might get us Ryan!
Folks: people aren’t going to give us stars/elite players for our garbage.
=d
Internet Hockey Trade Idea Template
Buncha guys I don’t like + my teams first round draft pick = some other team’s outstanding player.
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by PGI on Nov 29, 2011 4:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That's like an inverse Milbury, where as a Milbury is written:
Buncha guys I don’t like = my teams first round draft pick + my teams outstanding player.
by Les Beaver on Nov 29, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You just blew my
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
by PGI on Nov 29, 2011 5:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
MIND!
Wow. That was an awkward place for too quick reply. Not intentional at all.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that…
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by PGI on Nov 29, 2011 5:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
My favorite is the
Guy I Have Bashed for Three Months + Depth Guy I Don’t Know Well = Something Really Valuable Yet Without a Name
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Dom is waiting for Blake's name to pop off the page and skate around it aimlessly
before he removes it.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 29, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Yeah, our data provider is
how do you say, slow.
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not slow enough
I was searching in vain for Bossy, Potvin, Trottier, and Tonelli.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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HAHAHA!!!
According to a source, the Rangers have talked with Anaheim about Bobby Ryan’s availability.
The “source” report comes after Ryan was dropped to the third unit during Monday’s practice. He had been playing with Ryan Getzlaf and Corey Perry on the top line before finding himself skating with Niklas Hagman and Ben Maxwell. While the party line might be the demotion is to get more production out of the third line, Ryan is only 7-4-11 and minus-6 in 23 games. He had two goals Friday in a 6-5 loss to Chicago, but he has only one other goal in November.
Oh that Larry Brooks!! That’s nice that you think the Rangers are interested in Ryan. Now please tell us how you expecet them to fit Ryan’s $5.1M cap hit on their team when they only have $180,000 of room. Silly.
by barry_hal_oliver_24 on Nov 29, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Redden for Ryan!
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by PGI on Nov 29, 2011 4:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nino vs. Stamkos/Seguin
The notion that scratches of higly touted teenagers are “unusual” is not quite the case. To cite two examples, both Tyler Seguin and Steve Stamkos, who are both more highly regarded than Nino, were scratched at various times as rookies. Of course the teams inability to communicate with the media about the situation beyond one word answers contributes to the raised eyebrows and conspiracy theories (and the fact that it’s the Islanders) I think it’s being blown waaay out of proportion.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 29, 2011 9:38 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
What we got here is a failure to communicate
Of course the teams inability to communicate with the media about the situation beyond one word answers contributes to the raised eyebrows and conspiracy theories
This.
The link above to Staple commenting about Nino and his week long stint in purgatory highlights exactly what you are saying here DP’s knee(et. al.). So if everyone knew that Nino was up in the box for a week for conditioning, etc. why did no one say anything? Or, why couldn’t anyone say anything?
I think the situation has been blown out of proportion, too, but five minutes of time would have put all this conjecture to bed.
They could at least have told Nino
Why didn’t they talk to him like they did with Okposo or even Comeau?
Who knows if they didn't?
We sort of assume it because of the tweet, but to be honest, he shouldn’t be tweeting anything about his playing time and/or condition. But he’s a rookie, so he gets a pass.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
by afrosupreme on Nov 29, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
if he was going to tweet about it
Would you tell him? He has to learn to keep certain things in-house.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Also true
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
by afrosupreme on Nov 29, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
But I don't see the point of keeping something like that in-house
Tell the press, tell Nino and that’s it.
Capuano rarely explains his scratches
Same with Comeau, same with KO. Just does the “I don’t want to get into the why’s” drill, probably to protect those who are in an outright doghouse.
As a consumer I don’t like it, as a people manager I can understand why Cappy doesn’t want to go that road, but either way I don’t buy that Nino is somehow being neglected.
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We don't know about communicating with players though
The players usually say they had talks with him, but both they and Capuano just choose not to share it with the media.
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He clearly communicated with KO
KO made it clear that he “knew what he had to do” to get back into the lineup or some such.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 29, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
And Im sure he's been doing the same with Nino.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
He tweeted "I don't know"
But we don’t know if the question was “why aren’t you in the lineup” or “when will you be in the lineup.” If the question being referred to us the latter one, it could very well be that the issue was fully discussed but just that he didn’t know when he would return. We are all overreading a single tweet.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 29, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
100% correct
it could very well be that the issue was fully discussed but just that he didn’t know when he would return. We are all overreading a single tweet.
But reading too much into nothing and jumping to wild conclusions is how we Isles fans normally spend our time between games lol.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Of course the teams inability to communicate with the media about the situation beyond one word answers contributes to the raised eyebrows and conspiracy theories (and the fact that it’s the Islanders) I think it’s being blown waaay out of proportion.
Definitely a factor- so is the fact that the Islanders do not have anyone in the media who knows what questions to ask. They will ask “Will Nino Play tonight?” or “Will you send Nino back to Juniors?” (which both get yup-or-nope answers) instead of asking something along the lines of “What is the short term plan with Nino until he is playing games with the team again?”
I think that the pitiful media for this team contributes a great deal to fans crazy conspiracy theories (the Nino isnt playing so lets come up with all sorts of wild explanations controversy, the we didnt know Montoyas hurt so the Isles must be screwing him over controversy, etc). But when other fans point out that a simple answer is far more likely to be the correct one, it can sometimes seem like the fans talking (or typing) to themselves while the conspiracy theories snowball along.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well said
As always, the Islanders are an easy target for “Ur doing it wrong!!!” But a 19-year-old kid being a healthy scratch isn’t the end of the world, or his playing career.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
BUT WHURT ABOUT HIS DEVELOPMENT!?
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by Fabtraption on Nov 29, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
I would be shocked if Staple didn't ask
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 29, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Remember: Staple does not like the Islanders at all.
He is not happy about this gig- which he made clear in the beginning of the season. When he was given this gig last-second, he pointed out that it was temporary and said to check with him for the time being for Islanders coverage. He doesnt want to do this. He would much rather be scoffing at this team than covering them.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
"He is not happy about this gig- which he made clear in the beginning of the season. When he was given this gig last-second,"
Good point, and that makes me think, don’t we always get people like this?
Even people bag on Howie for just waiting for the Mets job. Deb left, Rob left, both for greener pastures. Actually, I don’t even know where Rob went.
We are just a stepping stone, kinda like a volunteer fire department. ;o)
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 29, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
meanwhile
All of us do this for free.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Nov 29, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rob
Isn’t he covering the Caps now?
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by Uncle Zenon on Nov 29, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
yeah he is
Taking applications for a new favorite Islander.
by Chris McNally on Nov 29, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Good point, and that makes me think, don’t we always get people like this?
It really is ridiculous, isnt it?
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
If you weren’t a fan, would you want to cover this shitty team?
The victim complex of this fanbase is ridiculous at times (although perhaps understandable given our sordid history over the last 15 years or so).
=d
i wish it was only 15
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 29, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Which doesn't mean you should shun his damn coverage.
Good god the hostility of people here toward the guys who cover our team is ridiculous.
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ive never shunned anybody's coverage.
i actually thought he’s been a big improvement.
Kinda hard to do when you live where people talk about college and high school football 99 percent of the time in the paper and on the radio. (no lie)
I do miss Deb, though.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 29, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
I’m only hostile toward his coverage, or lack thereof.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
by afrosupreme on Nov 29, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
I know we've had better beat writers
but we’ve definitely had worse. Strang drove me nuts, not bc her lack of coverage, but her lack of ability to get anything worth while.
Strang: Coach Gordon, who are you planning to start in goal tonight?
Gordon: A goalie
Strang: And what are your line combos going to look like?
Gordon: 4 lines, 3 forwards each.
Newsday Article:
After sitting down with Coach Gordon after practice today, he revealed to me that the Islanders plan on playing 12 forwards tonight and starting a goalie between the pipes. I also asked GM Garth Snow if he planned on answering any of my questions for the rest of the season. His response was “Nope.”
Taking applications for a new favorite Islander.
by Chris McNally on Nov 29, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Yea
I guess it’s relative. But not being as bad as Strang doesn’t make you good per se.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
by afrosupreme on Nov 29, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ding.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
And I should make pretend to like his mediocre half-hearted coverage... why, exactly?
If you want to say that pointing out a lack of clear-cut questions and follow-ups is “shunning his damn coverage” go right ahead. Seems silly to me though.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe Garik IS Staple
Staple is Garik. Garik is Staple.
Success was survival and, kid, it still is
by IslesFanInNJ on Nov 29, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Putting aside the history
I don’t understand what issue you have with his coverage. As far as follow up questions, how do you know what questions he’s asking?
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 29, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
You know what questions a journalist is asking because they let you know what they are asking.
Why would a beat writer have the intelligence to think up good questions, ask them. and then make-pretend they didnt?
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
They don't usually
And if they did it would make for pretty boring copy. They’re supposed to provide you with the information they obtain not provide a blow by blow of their fact gathering.
As for the question about the Nino reporting, it’s clear from Staple’s coverage that he was just stonewalled:
“Internal decisions,” was how Jack Capuano termed Niederreiter being scratched again.
Although Staple did not print copies of his interview notes, I can’t imagine what sort of questions he could of dreamed up to get to the bottom of it.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 29, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Im not talking about a blow by blow
Im talking about good writing/journalism.
To truly inform people one should work all the information they get and dont get into the copy.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
What makes you say that?
His coverage has been very positive thus far giving the team the benefit of the doubt at every turn. He’s constantly extracting positive bits from losses. Off the top of my head:
-Tavares’ imporvement on faceoffs despite scoring slump
-This streak feels different than last year (there were actually two pieces on this)
-Glowing Martin profile
-Glowing Pandolfo profile
-Positive writeups of the team’s PP and PK
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 29, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Staple headlines on Newsday right now:
“Islanders take step in right direction”
“Martin has been bright spot for Isles”
“Tavares winning faceoffs during scoring drought”
“Wang has faith in Snow, Capuano”
For a team in cellar, that’s what I call positive coverage.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 29, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Were you familiar with him BEFORE he was on this beat?
I didnt say the guy was horrible or awful, I didnt say he was bashing the Isles, I said that he doesnt want this gig. And he doesnt. He never even said he was happy to be covering the Isles, when he got this gig he made a point that he would only be doing this temporarily.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Could be but
Unlike others (see my comment below), there is nothing from his coverage to reflect his unhappiness regarding the gig or dislike of the team. And that’s the all that matters to me.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 29, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This, my friend, is negative coverage
@ChrisBottaNHL Chris Botta
Is it possible the Devils did not game plan for Grabner last weekend? Or was @grabs40 extra inspired by the presence of the NJD coach?
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 29, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Whining doesn't count as journalism.
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by Fabtraption on Nov 29, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't even get that
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 29, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
I'm saying Chris Botta likes to bitch.
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by Fabtraption on Nov 29, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No, his tweet
i don’t get what he said.
i have no clue why grabs would be inspired by the coach and if it’s a joke, i’m not getting it.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 29, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Wasn't Deboer the coach that cut him with Florida last year?
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by Chris McNally on Nov 29, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
I think bobby was referring to the botta post
as if its impossible for grabs to actually get breakaways unless the opponent is unprepared.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 29, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, he never gets breakaways
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 29, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
you know grabs would get more breakaways if not for gath snow
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 29, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He'd totally get more breakaways if the Isles stopped constantly playing DiPi over Montoya
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Hahaha
This was probably unnecessary but it made me laugh none the less
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by Chris McNally on Nov 29, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
No, Nabby and Dp.
that was mature by the way.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 29, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
that was
maturea joke by the way.
Fixed :)
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Oh, you don't share the same opinion as me!!
How dare you!!
That shit gets older and older. It’s fun watching you get all mad about it though. that’s the one relief we can all feel after reading it.
That was joke. So it’s all good. Right?
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 29, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Lets keep it light
Debating is cool. Differing opinions is cool. Let’s just not get to the point where it starts getting personal.
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by Chris McNally on Nov 29, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I applaud the attempt, Chris- I really do. :)
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
haha that was my pathetic attempt at keeping the peace
I am happy to see so many smiley faces coming from your side though
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by Chris McNally on Nov 29, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Im in a good mood today
Hope it means the Isles win tonight, they could use all the positive vibes they can get!
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
How true
In fact, just the very thought of Montoya makes me zip down the hall to the coffee maker a bit faster than usual.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 29, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
I made a fresh pot as you went down the hall and I already finished it!
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Dear Metal Chick
You should know that Michael Grabner has been using your SBN login again.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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I missed it
He showed up here, posted, and then shot back to Buffalo before I could make it back to my office!
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Bitchfest.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
talk is cheap
They need to win to get any momentum going for this weekends road trip.
Ullstrom will get his first goal tonight, I have liked him in the line up, definitely looks like he has nice potential with some more playing time.
ullstrom has not looked out of place
it looks like he knows what he has to do and where he has to be when hes on the ice, and he can only get better as he gets more playing time. i dont know about you but to me it seemed like Bailey is starting to play better as well, and if he just shot the damn puck more i doubt he would be the enigma that he is right now
screw homework, its all about islanders hockey
I do agree
Bailey has looked more confident and playing better with the puck. Shoot a few more times a game and that leads to more goals. I would not even be opposed to making Josh the second line center for a few games along with Okposo and Grabner. JB can clearly dish the puck nicely. That way Fn can go back to a defensive forward who is not overused. Centering Nino and Comeau, I mean call-up, I mean whoever else slots there.
Pacioretty Suspension
I just have to say, that while I don’t agree Pacioretty should have been suspended for three games (I would think a 1 or 2 game suspension would have sent the same message), I appreciate that Shanahan explained the reasoning. That’s a lot more than Hockey fans got out of Campbell and his wheel of justice.
Shanny is way better
in the opinions of anybody who doesn’t take pleasure in seing a guy’s brain lying on the ice.
He will never get it perfect, but he has been much better than CC.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 29, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
He will never get it perfect, but he has been much better than CC.
Gotta agree with you on that.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
I like that you didn't say is name
Just the utterance of it would cause seizures and convulsions
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by Chris McNally on Nov 29, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Crap
I goofed then. :(
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Indeed.
Way overdue after the Campbell “I KNOW HOCKEY” Era.
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Reasoner is troubling!
what is going on there? This is somebody who they invested two years in. i don’t mind Haley, Nino and reasoner “platooning” depending on need.
I hope that if Ullstrom takes over as the fourth line center they give him more to work with than Nino and Haley.
I hope that if Nino gets back in the lineup they give him more to work with than Ullstrom and Haley.
Who else will sit if they want to get reasoner back in the lineup?
Moulson-tavares-Parentau
grabner-Nielsen-Okposo
Rolston(?)-Bailey-Nino
Martin-Ullstrom-Haley(?)
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totally agree with those lines
But what do u do with Reasoner, he cant cheer with pom poms in the press box forever? Unfortunately I dont think the lines matter as much as the poopy defense we have on the ice.
Poopy defense?
Its plain Shitty and so are the decisions that went into its formation. The biggest problem this season is the defense or lack of same and for that Snow must bear the responsiblity, from drafting, to deals and non deals. he gets a D and for those who point to better bigger and more skilled D developing on the farm and minors down the road, that not only do they live up to expectations but that we see them play on the Island.
agreed with these 3-4 lines
Rolston-Bailey-Nino
Martin-Ullstrom-Haley
yet they haven’t tried either in practice
and would it really kill us to callup Ness or de haan for a game and sit Mottau on his ass?
Could there
actually be a trade for Reasoner in the works?
Once again-be nice if there was a reporter around.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
by afrosupreme on Nov 29, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
It's curious
My best guess at this point is he is on the same KO, Nino, and Comeau Memorial Scratch Program.
It’s like detox or getting pregnant and moving “to live with an aunt” for the school year.
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by Dominik on Nov 29, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Reasoner...
is in his first trimester in the first semester… I wonder if they’ll make him put it up for adoption, or if they’ll just say it’s Nabokov’s baby… kinda like sarah palin.
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@JPinVA
Can the baby play D?
WE NEED MOAR CRAWLING ON TEH ICE!@!!11UNO
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 29, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
(This is my new meme.)
Unnecessary footnote.
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by Dominik on Nov 29, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
better than my Bailey for Komisarek meme at this point....
(I’d still trade for him at some point – IF he comes back healthy)
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by Dominik on Nov 29, 2011 10:33 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
why does the board keep jumoing to this post?
I’m finding the board unreadable right now.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 29, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Sometimes
when people comment it moves it around. Especially if you are entering a comment yourself at the time.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
by afrosupreme on Nov 29, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, but to ap77's rec'd post? over and over? lol
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 29, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
It was your first positive post this year
Maybe that’s why. Even my laptop couldn’t believe it.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 29, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Wang...
I found Wang’s thoughts to be…interesting.
I don’t think Wang doesn’t care about fan perspectives. I just don’t think he or Snow care right now. We’re not going to win, ergo we’re not going to draw, so in his mind he can wait for the proper time to add pieces (especially as the colisseum issue becomes clearer).
From a business perspective, I don’t necessarily have a problem with that – if nothing else the Ehrhoff situation this past summer shows the Isles are still a long way from drawing big names to the Island. From a fan perspective, it stinks because it means they’re content drafting top 5 again after this year.
Player personnel decisions are the purview of Snow w/ JC’s input – I think cutting Comeau was a way to send a message as well as open room for Ullstrom/Nino.
That said: I think I’ll settle in for the long winter’s nap…
Penn State Proud
If Wang really has never said "no" to what Garth wants to do........
The jokes could be endless
But what really bothers about that statement goes back to something I mentioned previously. If Snow has that kind of control, then he is responsible for the “drafting on the cheap” ( JT excepted). Seems they pick players that will fit into the salary structure instead of the best available.
Reminds of a line from "The Right Stuff
You mean for this “space race”, you don’t want our best pilots?
I didn’t say that. We want the best pilots that we can get.
But Wang’s statement could be concluded that he has given Garth a blank check, which for whatever reason, isn’t being used. Seems to be very contradictory between actions and words. Or am I reading too much into one phrase?
Next thing you know, we will hear this from Garth:
I did NOT do anything wrong. The hatch just BLEW. It was a GLITCH. It was a- a TECHNICAL MALFUNCTION. Why in hell won’t anyone believe me?
"This team is a serious misallocation of various hockey resources"- Saving Private Tavares
Hey, I remember another guy who had Wang's total trust...
…I don’t recall that worked out though…
=d
I don't agree they've "drafted on the cheap".
It’s too easy to play the 20/20 hindsight card.
"drafted for salary structure"
I don’t agree with that at all. Cheap with adding depth, definitely. Risk-averse with free agents (possibly, and possibly wisely), but we haven’t even seen any of his picks on their second contracts except Bailey and Tavares.
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Staple
Montoya gets 3rd straight start in goal for #Isles. Reasoner in for Haley.
Ullstrom stays on LW with Bailey, Rolston. Niederreiter starts with Reasoner, Martin.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
BUT WHAT ABOUT TEH GRITZ!?
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by Fabtraption on Nov 29, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
I was going to make an Al's Diner reference
but asking anyone to kiss my grits would be really dating myself, even if I was like 4 and watching the reruns
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by Chris McNally on Nov 29, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Im ok with this
Buffalo aint exactly a “tough” team so we dont really need Haley AND Martin
"Mario Lemiuex… I used to respect you."- Turgeon1992
Not unless dirty kaleta actually plays.
Can one be an atheist toward a hockey team? That means I have NO faith anymore.
by Turgeon1992 on Nov 29, 2011 1:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I bow down to the all mighty Dom
who put me in my place yesterday with a hashtag about practice porn. Guess the Bailey on the 4th line thing was a bunch of hogwash…hogwarts?…hogtie?
I don’t like Nino on the fourth line honestly, but the Bailey line played well last game so it’s kind of hard to break them up, although if Rolston had been dropped to play along side Reasoner and Martin, I wouldn’t have had a problem with it.
Also glad to see Reasoner back in. The way the centers are set up right now is the first thing right I’ve seen about the Isles lineup in a long time.
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by Chris McNally on Nov 29, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Yea
I don’t hate the lines, mostly because the alternative would probably be to swap Ullstrom for Nino which would leave Bailey in (yet again) a pretty tough spot between Nino and Rolston.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
by afrosupreme on Nov 29, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Ha!
I didn’t even mean to put you in your place; it was more a disclaimer for my own musings and overreadings from hot practice action.
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Nino, Reasoner, Martin
That sounds like a 4th line which may actually create a scoring chance here and there.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 29, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
I like restarting slow with Nino myself
I mean, if one doesn’t buy the performance bonus conspiracy, the Anything To Ruin Nino theory, and the We Hate Swiss (except Streit) theory, then there just might be a method to handling the kid.
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This is a responsibility line matchup
Reasoner knows what he’s doing out there and can help cover for Nino if he wanders (as youngsters are sometimes prone to do). Martin has come leaps and bounds with his positioning and making smarter decisions. I think the two of them could be ideal linemates for Nino at this stage.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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That's my thinking
Put another way: Who is more ready as a pro, Ullstrom or Nino? To me it’s not even a question. Ullstrom has sooo much more practice at the pro game; Nino is here because he can’t be in the AHL.
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by Dominik on Nov 29, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This
Nino being 19 is the big fly in the ointment. He doesn’t have a pro brain yet. He is exactly the kind of player hurt most by the juniors transfer agreement because there’s no sense in him demolishing WHL opponents, but he’s not capable of regular NHL work yet.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Nov 29, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm guess I'm really ...
uninformed, but why can’t Nino be in the AHL?
his rights are owned by a juniors club
Until he turns 20 he has to either play in the NHL or be returned to his juniors club.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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He's not old enough
as per the mythical cba scrolls, a player has to be of a certain age to play in the A, if not his only choices are juniors or the NHL
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by Chris McNally on Nov 29, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Its also because he was drafted out of North American juniors.
If he had been playing in Europe til being drafted, he could have already been playing in the AHL.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Wow.
I was more uninformed than I thought.
Not anymore.
Thanks.
It is really confusing stuff
I remember that one because of the whole Filatov drama re playing in the AHL. It was an option for him and others like Klementyev for example but was not an option for kids like Nino or JT.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
I like Ullstrom so far.
He has a unique skating stride. Since I’m not an expert, I’ll ask: is it simply style, or is it something that will be “coached” out of him? He seems to be able to get from point A to B pretty well, but it is kind of herky-jerky.
He knows what he is doing out there. He can hit. (With him and even Nino in the lineup, there is less of a need for Haley’s physicality, especially against a softish team— and KO’s recent better play helps that area a little too.) Ullstrom can provide a little offense as well. And he should have a roster spot for the next few weeks since Pandolfo is out.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 29, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Haley also gets little minutes
I was kind of surprised he only got 6:00 and change last game. Considering a lot of people thinks he’s a huge difference maker, the small minutes are rather surprising.
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I agree
Capuano supposedly requested that Haley be called up and then he rotted on the bench. It’s not like he’s a bad player, like a Gillies for example, that he’d be a liability on the ice.
It was curious for sure.
Josh Bailey- You have some big skates to fill. Don't let me down.
by Chris McNally on Nov 29, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe another message to the team?
Have him out there for a couple of shifts to show the stiffs how someone busts his ass?
Success was survival and, kid, it still is
by IslesFanInNJ on Nov 29, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
He also took an early (bad) penalty in one game
And logged time in the box thanks to a fight in the other. Between that and working Pandolfo into the PK, that probably cut his minutes some, too.
Plus, had to teach Comeau a lesson.
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Wait a minute
Is this the same “bad penalty” that Butch said could have easily been 2 penalties on the other team in the same play? I didn’t get a good look at that play, but the replay looked like Isles were shafted.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 29, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Ullstrom-Bailey-Rolston
what a strange line – they can all play wing or center – its like having three rovers on the ice at once – arguably with Bailey losing most of his faceoffs, none of them are in the right position in this configuration
Rolston-Ullstrom-Bailey could be better – weird
Nino back – but on 4th line – maybe they really are trying to get him to focus on D aspects first
Article from La Presse
Actually, it’s the Rimouski coach (i.e. the loser) who accuses Kabanov of “embellishing” a hit received and pretending to be injured to influence the ref’s decision. Mr. Beausoleil (Nicesunshine) also says that Kabanov’s teammate Zlobin should be awarded an Oscar and that the Cataractes don’t have what it takes to play tough.
I obviously can’t judge based on facts, but it sure reads like some very sore losing.
by Kaonashi on Nov 29, 2011 5:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Excellent
Thanks!
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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.
The victory justified the faith in coach Al Arbour who guided them from their second season to their first Stanley Cup seven seasons later. The Islanders would not be the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup, but they would be the only one capable of a dynasty.
1980-81
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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.
Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.
1981-82
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May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.
A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.
1982-83
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May 17, 1983: Not so fast, whipper-snappers. The Edmonton Oilers' steadily rising challenge for league supremacy took them all the way to the finals for the first time, where the New York Islanders summarily dispatched them in a four-game sweep. For the Islanders, the Dynasty was secured. For the Oilers, it was a powerful lesson in where talent ends and the demands of playoff hockey begin.
Four years, four Cups, 16 consecutive playoff series wins (a record that would grow to 19 until the rematch with the Oilers the following year). Mike Bossy scored 60 goals yet again, and Wayne Gretzky became acquainted with Billy Smith's crease.
