Islanders 1st Quarter Grades: Bad, bad and not good
The New York Islanders have finally staggered to the NHL's first quarter pole, reaching that mark after all but one of their NHL brethren who have already played 22, 23, even 25 games.
(Granted, 82 games does not divide well into quarters, but what would media coverage and human thought be if it did not force patterns upon life, creating shopping extravaganzas out of family holidays? The line between unseating indigenous people to celebrating with a gluttonous turkey feast to digesting it with a gratuitous HD TV for that one bedroom that is still tragically bare is, well, as American as Mike Modano.)
This point on the calendar, and that shopping holiday, is traditionally when NHL teams re-assess who they are and NHL fans re-asses whether late night Predators at Ducks games would be better seen on 50 inches instead of 46. Which is probably why this morning brings news of the second and third coaching changes of the NHL season.
The Islanders did the coaching change trick last year, so chances are they won't return to that well this soon if they can possibly avoid it. (Believe it or not, Jack Capuano is now only the 10th newest coach in the NHL. [h/t to a reader for pointing out we butchered that tenure factoid earlier.]) But when the coach cannot take the fall (yet), that means taking a hard look at the pieces he was given to deploy -- and the piece he preferred not to. Here's a rundown of the disappointment, and some of the luck and inherent failings that may be behind them.
The Class Leaders
John Tavares: Tavares worked on his skating over the summer and it shows. I've never focused my sights on a now-21-year-old as much as I have this one, but it's really remarkable how much better he moves, creates space for himself, and fends off checkers now compared to last season. His start was excellent, with 16 points in 16 games, but he's slumped lately, going five games without a point and 10 games without a goal.
Opponents clearly know to focus on him, as the pre-game Dan Bylsma strategy talk outlined all too well, so the going will be tough. Facing the toughest competition every night, slumps like this will happen. But he's one of the few players on the roster who gets a pass for his first quarter.
P.A. Parenteau: Parenteau really was summer 2010's Matt Moulson. He's second on the team in points again, and as he showed with the setup of Moulson's goal on Saturday, that's not just due to him playing with Tavares. (Tavares wasn't even on the ice.) Parenteau is a good possession player and one of the few Islanders forwards who "brings it" every night, including in battles along the boards.
Sure, everyone would like to have elite wingers for young Tavares, but Parenteau is not the problem. The effort and possession he brings would be a help to any forward line.
Matt Moulson: Moulson has had several quiet nights this year, though he is the type of player you don't notice except when he's crashing the net or sneaking shots off like the aforementioned goal versus the Devils. With seven goals he's again on pace to hit the roughly 30-goal range.
Frans Nielsen: Stop me if you've heard this before: Nielsen is the only Islander on the "plus" side of the plus/minus ledger. Still, it hasn't been quite the same for Nielsen in his walk year, as his line with Michael Grabner and Kyle Okposo struggled to recapture last season's magic. Okposo's awful start probably fed that, but part of the blame may be on Jack Capuano trying to use him in more offensive situations -- not a bad bet, honestly (Nielsen has put up 4-6-10, Grabner 7-4-11) -- but an experiment that hasn't paid off for the team in the first 21 games. His ice time dropped some (from 17:45 to 17:12) and PK time did as well, perhaps in an effort to use more Jay Pandolfo-types in the PK role and free up Nielsen and friends.
Michael Grabner: When the worst thing you can say about a forward is that he doesn't convert on enough of his breakaways, then he's doing alright. At even strength and on the PK, Grabner is a force at both ends. His speed forces defensemen to panic and catches turnover-makers, whether they be rookie defensemen or men on 13-year deals, off guard. He also has 7 goals, which isn't too shabby on a team that barely manages two per game.
Travis Hamonic: Facing the toughest competition and having the highest non-Streit Corsi on the blueline, Hamonic has been the Islanders' best defenseman. This claim, if you accept its validity, is a reflection of how special he is, of how the rebuild might have some true gems, and how the supporting cast has fallen short.
Al Montoya: Montoya grabbed his opportunity last season, maximizing 20 games into a one-year deal. Jack Capuano's "gut" got Montoya the first run of the starts in the Islanders three-goalie rotation, and even after long forced and injury layoffs Montoya returned to the lineup to shine each time. It's been tough getting all three goalies a fair shot, but after 21 games even the Islanders TV broadcasters are singing his praises and citing his credentials to get the next start.
The Victoria Jackson 'Two Stars is Pretty Good Too'
Mark Streit: Slower? Not as strong? Same old Streit? It's hard to tell after 21 games partnered mostly with Steve Staios. He sung Staois' praises in the early going, which is either just a captain being a captain or a player being complicit in a slower, penalty-prone partner holding him up. The idea that stay-at-home Staios (except when he's making bad reads/pinches that get him caught up ice) can free up Streit for offensive forays is sound in theory. But a better partner than Staios is needed to truly let Streit excel.
Matt Martin: Simply, he has done everything asked, including PK duty and bouncing from line to line without ill effect. With Pandolfo Martin gets the lowest percentage of offensive zone starts on the team, yet Martin has a positive Corsi Rel. Still piling up the hits in that shady "stat" category, he's doing it smarter this year, leaving the flow of play less often to deliver thundering hits. He's also noticeably avoiding situations where a full "finish your check!" demolition could get him a Shanaban. Smarter play all around. Good evolution. You hope he can be penciled in as a plus fourth liner on a strong Islanders team some day.
Andrew MacDonald: The amount of "maintenance" days MacDonald has taken probably reflects the continued recovery from offseason hip surgery, which also delayed his game debut during preseason. His numbers are still solid with Hamonic and he may be getting near the "old MacDonald" we knew, but it's been an uneven first quarter.
Evgeni Nabokov: Talking about making the most of an awkward situation of your own making. Nabokov has been the good solider in camp (note: His career may have depended on it) and accepted his starts when they came. A 1-5 record is not fair and the .910 save percentage is probably a better reflection. Very good in a few games, good enough in others, he hasn't been the problem.
Slackers
Kyle Okposo: He signed a five-year extension over the summer, and yet by November he'd been scratched three straight games. That sums up his first quarter quite well. Recent games have been better, and the hopeful fan might see the signs of a return to form of that FNGO line. Maybe Okposo will even start putting up more shots on goal than Nielsen.
Brian Rolston: Rolston has looked adequate in a few games with Josh Bailey and David Ullstrom, so he only shares part of the blame for the miserable ineffectiveness of the season-opening combo of him, Bailey and the castaway Blake Comeau.
But during the worst Islanders games, Rolston's play and failures in fundamentals were as culpable as any other "passengers" -- and that's not what you bring in an experienced veteran for. He should be a leader and example-setter on the ice, every game, so seeing him fail to get a puck in deep or cover the back door or blast a shot wide and ringing around the glass draws the ire of fans who are eager to scapegoat the ex-Devil. One of the issues might be Capuano using him too much: His 15:13 per game includes 2:22 of PP and even 0:50 on the PK. Add to it close-and-late situations and you see why Isles fans pile on the 38-year-old. That said, his Corsi Rel is among the leaders on the team, though that's fair to expect when he's getting 60% of his faceoff starts in the offensive zone (as is Corsi Rel leader Parenteau).
Marty Reasoner: Reasoner hasn't been used as an outright replacement for Zenon Konopka, which is interesting. He is used for a higher percentage of defensive zone draws, but his quality of competition has been light, his total time on ice just 12:45 per game. Those are peripheral reasons why he's provided no bonus offense, but his performance has also led Capuano to scratch him for three games. More should be expected of Reasoner, but more should be expected of how Capuano deploys his assets, too. This is one of those situations that's intriguing after one quarter and should have more light shed by the halfway mark.
Josh Bailey: Bailey too has looked modestly better since being separated from Comeau, but he is not excused from his bad start anymore than Rolston or Comeau. (And honestly, any one of them could rebound after a bad first quarter, but recent history would put that bet on the now departed Comeau.) Bailey's backbreaking turnover in the Rangers game sticks out as symbolic of mental mistakes, but if he turns it around at age 22 that will be seen as lessons attained on the learning curve.
Jay Pandolfo: Pandolfo isn't actually a slacker; he's just a training camp tryout doing what he can on the fourth line and PK. Apparently recovered from the shoulder injury that had him out of hockey for most of 2010-11, he is a stopgap and should be seen as such. Now he's out with a broken foot, so another body will take his place.
Steve Staios: Like Pandolfo, Staios isn't actually a slacker; the 38-year-old training camp invite is doing everything in his power. Sometimes that's doing too much, whether it be an ill-advised read that gets him caught up ice or what has become an all too predictable penalty. He has a team-high 11 minors. (Context: Streit has 8, Hamonic has 7, but Staios' penalties taken per 60 minutes is 1.8, vastly higher than his blueline mates.)
Mark Eaton: Eaton is the best of the three Islanders third-pair candidates, which mean Eaton is in the unfortunate role of carrying someone else. His Corsi Rel is the lowest among blueliners not named Mottau, but when you see his extremely slanted percentage of D-zone starts you understand why. He is asked to do a lot but is probably better off as the complement to a better partner rather than as the lead guy. An MCL injury puts him on the shelf for 4-6 weeks now and cries out for a callup or trade to improve the third pairing.
Milan Jurcina: Jurcina is what he is and has always been: A guy with an enticingly hard shot from the blueline and an enticingly big body who uses neither as often and as wisely as you'd like. He can still make wonderful plays and satisfying hits in his role, but also makes mistakes that keep him on the third pair and even occasionally scratched for Mottau.
Failures
Mike Mottau: If you hate advanced/micro stats and don't want to hear nothing about no Corsi, just do yourself a favor and look at this Behind the Net link. [Note: As garik points out in comments, if you switch the setting to "all teams" and not just the Islanders, you'll see Mottau at the bottom of all NHL defensemen.] That's Mottau, astronomically at the bottom of relative Corsi -- and with light competition and over 50% offensive zone starts. It's not just the memorable turnovers talking; Mottau has been awful.
Rick DiPietro: I am from the Church of Don't Judge Goalies in Small Samples, but DiPietro has done nothing to change perception of his post-surgery abilities in seven appearances and five starts thus far. His save percentage is down around .885 again, and his insistence on playing the puck even when it's best to use caution has not changed. It has put his defensemen in the position to get creamed, and it has led to as many turnovers as it has nice half-ice assists. At this point, DiPietro just needs to show he can be a healthy and adequate backup in this league, but at the moment his performance is third behind Nabokov and far behind Montoya.
Incomplete
Trevor Gillies, Micheal Haley: Each has three games. Gillies was never even welcomed to a fight -- a smart move on the part of his would-be combatants -- and Haley was called up by request of Capuano. Haley's a better all-around player than Gillies, so this is a start.
David Ullstrom, Nino Niederreiter: Ullstrom has looked promising enough in four games -- he's no passenger -- and Niederreiter was likewise engaged, if a little overwhelmed (and minus-4) in his three games. To me Niederreiter still has to show enough to prove he should be kept around at age 19 rather than returned to juniors for more.
Expelled
Blake Comeau: Waiving him was selling low on a player and it's curious that both Garth Snow and Capuano got to that point of frustration with him. But the fact no team offered a pick for him and his goose egg on the season -- even given his lack of special teams time -- tells you no one was impressed. His previous stats tell you this is the kind of move the team will regret. His at times frustrating play -- and none more so than this, his fifth season -- tells you why he's someone else's enigma now.
Summary
And that, folks, is how you end up at 6-11-4. The Islanders have had bad shooting luck -- an unsustainably league-worst 6.9% -- and haven't benefited from any extra time coin-flip wins. Both are likely to rebound a bit and make the team look better through the rest of the season. But even with that luck, rather than a bottom-third team playing well enough to stir playoff hopes, they're a bottom-five team looking to stir bottom-third hopes.
When asked to sum up the status in a nutshell, I tell people the better pieces of the rebuild aren't here yet and the stopgaps have not been good enough to get the job done. The blueline was a concern coming in -- Mark Katic's injury making it worse, but otherwise they've had good health luck -- and the young and old forwards asked to take the next step have actually regressed in the first 21 games.
Too few players have performed up to expectations, those expectations were too high to begin with for too many players, and the coach could probably use some of them in smarter, more specialized roles to scratch out more wins.
Will any of that change over the rest of the season? I suspect that's why we tune in, addicted through each high and low.
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Re: the Mottau link: Do yourself a bigger favor.....look at all D Men instead of just Islander D-Men
MOTTAU STILL COMES OUT ON BOTTOM!
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I'd have given some lower scores
Starting by switching Nielsen and Martin. Frans has been disappointing this year to me, while not one of our worst players he hasn’t been all that strong either. Martin, JT, and Montoya are the only ones I’ve really seen show up every game and I guess you could argue Grabner and Parenteau have as well.
I know Amac and Streit are coming off of injuries but I’d have expected more from them both, probably putting them in the slacker category. They haven’t been as bad as our other defensemen, but I’m grading on where they are relative to their personal ceiling, not compared to other players.
You wouldn't believe how good the Corsi is for my NHL 12 Be A Pro player.
I'm so hipster, I know of a Canadian jazz band called BADBADNOTGOOD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91v84BpXqXA
Their keyboardist even has the last name Tavares!
Stainer of mountaintops.
New goal song candidates?
It’s destiny!
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Excellent job composing the report card, Dominik!
I enjoyed reading your commentary.
Only three players have exceeded my expectations: (1) Matt Martin (tireless, fearless yet a smarter “hitter” as you pointed out), (2) Al Montoya (who is clearly the most consistent goalie of the trio we began the season with), and (3) P.A. Parenteau (who produced with and without JT).
Everyone else has either not met my expectations (KO, Bailey, et al) or have turned themselves into curse words in my household (Mottau, DP)
If I told you I have a Mike Mottau jersey, will you still respect me in the morning?
JT?
Where’s he fall?
"Matty Mo thinks it's different. He must be extra high today." BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Moulson's response to Isles black jerseys.
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
Honestly...
for me, JT hasn’t met my expectations, but I’ll confess that my expectations for him may have been unfair. At the beginning of the season, I told a friend that JT needs to average a point a game. He got off to that hot start, but after 21 games, he’s got 16 points, and that’s behind the pace I want him to be at. Again, maybe that’s unfair of me. On the other hand, at this pace, he won’t even produce the same number of points he did last year.
If I told you I have a Mike Mottau jersey, will you still respect me in the morning?
Expectations game
Right, I found myself getting into the same conundrum. End of season I solicit “by expectations” grades, and letter grades never quite feel right because JT is supposed to do much better than, say, Reasoner, but Pandolfo I can’t expect anything but basic stuff from.
Meanwhile Martin has done nothing wrong yet somehow I was reluctant to put him in the top tier because of the limitations of his role.
I sort of settled on this, which can be read as, “Players who have been good players” (regardless of expectations), “players who haven’t been awful” followed by the rest.
Thanks for the feedback, by the way. Glad you enjoyed even without agreeing with each one. That’s my goal.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
another way to look at this perhaps
if you think of the lines as
1A – 1B – 1C
2A – 2B – 2C
3A – 3B – 3C
4A – 4B – 4C
and who is doing “better than acceptable” vs “acceptable” vs “worse than acceptable” in the spots they are filling, you could easily argue
1A – Moulson – acceptable (but barely)
1B – Tavares – worse than acceptable (but trending towards acceptable)
1C – Parenteau – acceptable
2A – Grabner – should end up better than acceptable
2B – Nielsen – acceptable (convince me otherwise)
2C – Okposo – may end up better than acceptable
that’s already pretty good, and then
3A – Ullstrom – acceptable already, with time may excel
3B – Bailey – below acceptable, but starting to show strength
3C – Niederreiter – give him a chance here
(note Rolston looks better & better as a bench player)
4A – Martin – better than acceptable
4B – Reasoner (Pandolfo was acceptable) – needs to show more
4C – Haley acceptable (for the role)
the problem hasn’t been the forwards (nor Montoya or Nabokov)
the problem is the D where if you did the same thing, we have holes exposing us in vital spots
what the right trade wouldn’t do for this team – even calling up 3-4 D from BPT and see who might fit better would arguably be sensible
yet we do nothing on D
stupid
hadn't read that Staple bit
Reasoner scratched again tomorrow – so the deal is if a player gets in the doghouse, they stay for a week
kind of like elementary school
Rolston-Bailey-Niederreiter is a line I’d like to see them try
no callups on D – of course not
So a version of
How well they’re living up to their role (rather than our expectations, even if our expectations are higher/lower than their role), is that it?
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
A big disappointment is how they are used
I tell my ten year old that if she leaves the hanster cage open, the cat’s going to try to eat it or at least play volleyball with it. It’s not because the cat is mean it’s because deep down, she’s always going to be a cat.
Same with the players. Nielsen is always going to be a defensive center. Pandolfo will always be a fifth-liner. Reasoner is a defenseive guy. Rolston is never going to be 28 again. DiPietro is always going to do something stupid trying to be too much. It’s who he is. And so on.
It’s up to the coaching staff to use the players properly and this is a big part of the problem. Expecting 15 goal scorers to be 25+ goal scorers is not likely and not reasonable, and puts likelihood on a disappointment. Expecting Eaton, Jurcina and Mottau to stop anything is just asking for trouble.
Jack had a 24 goal scorer and thought so little of him he gave him up for nothing, but kept players who don’t have those skills and expected them to do better. How could that possibly work?
by martylnd on Nov 28, 2011 3:32 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
and COZO was leaving them little choice anyway
They scratched him, they moved him around, they shopped him… nothing. He never gave anyone a reason to do otherwise. It’s astounding, actually. I was as big a Blake booster as you’ll find at LHH, and I’m really dumbfounded about what the hell happened to the guy this season. It’s like they made him wear those chains underneath his jersey.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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WE HAVE TWO EMPTY ROSTER SPOTS WE'RE NOT USING
WHAT WOULDVE HARMED US TO KEEP HIM AND SCRATCH HIM AT WORST?!
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by garik16 on Nov 28, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
maybe he was toxic in the locker room
it’s tough to tell without getting the whole story
You wouldn't believe how good the Corsi is for my NHL 12 Be A Pro player.
So Sequester the goddamn locker room.
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by garik16 on Nov 28, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I would have scratched him a few times myself
It’s possible that he just wanted out and the team felt that risking him to waivers was preferable to having him torpedo the entire clubhouse. There may be other reasons. I couldn’t tell you for sure.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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I don't agree with the implication behind this. Comeau was playing his ass off. True he had no production
to show for it but I watched just about every minute of every game and I never saw him dogging it. Sometimes players slump. Blake is not a great player and his loss is not going to set the franchise back for years but he was a pretty good player and we gave him up for nothing.
He's gone. Get over it.
He was never going to suddenly explode as a top 6 talent as an Islander.
Can one be an atheist toward a hockey team? That means I have NO faith anymore.
FIxed
He was never going to suddenly explode as a top 6 talent as an Islander.
NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
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by Keith Quinn on Nov 28, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This
Especially since it puts us right up against the cap floor. Really doesn’t make any sense.
At the same time, it’s not like it’s going to cost us the playoffs.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
by afrosupreme on Nov 28, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
oh my god, thank you
I just lost my online voice in another thread trying to make this exact point
Taking applications for a new favorite Islander.
by Chris McNally on Nov 28, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good call
I would not disagree with any of your assessments. A Mac has been the biggest disappointment to me, but the last couple of games he has looked much better so I am hopeful.
Way too many players in the slacker and failure categories for any team that hopes to be successful.
Why haven't we called up players to fill our empty spots yet?
I’m not an NHL coach or GM, but wouldn’t it make sense to call up players to replace injured ones as soon as possible for practice purposes?
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by garik16 on Nov 28, 2011 4:23 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Meanwhile...
Staple says don’t expect a callup for tomorrow, but maybe a forward for the road trip to CHI and DAL at the end of the week.
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by garik16 on Nov 28, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wouldn't a callup...
just be another healthy scratch Islanders fans will be complaining about on gameday?
If I told you I have a Mike Mottau jersey, will you still respect me in the morning?
WHO WOULD COMPLAIN ABOUT SCRATCHING MOTTAU!
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by garik16 on Nov 28, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Scratching Mottau can only mean...
my practice-used Mottau jersey will go UP in value! (The more he plays, the less my jersey is worth.)
Sorry, I should have written “Wouldn’t the callup of ANOTHER FORWARD just be another healthy scratch Islanders fans will be complaining about on gameday?” Yes, I’m all for calling up a blueliner to replace Mottau. Any sense which Bridgeport defenseman is the most ready?
If I told you I have a Mike Mottau jersey, will you still respect me in the morning?
by Captdallas on Nov 28, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Reese.
In that he’s not a prospect but is still probably better than Mottau. If they want to call up a prospect, my bet is on Wishart, then Donovan.
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by garik16 on Nov 28, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Klementyev still around?
I mean, why not? He’s going to be better than Mottau.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Nov 28, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He's been scratched a decent amount down there
(I know you weren’t totally serious, but…)
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
I grow more serious by the day
I kind of wish Snow was handing out contracts to the ’93 guys as they left the ice.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Nov 28, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No league minimum.
The CBA requires you to field a full team barring extraordinary circumstances, which the Isles can, so there is no issue (We can still field 18+ a goalie).
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there's no excuse for playing Mottau
none
by Cary K on Nov 28, 2011 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We do agree on this.
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by garik16 on Nov 28, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes there is a league minimum of how many guys you can have up
But the Isles arent at it.
The Devils were at it for the start of last season.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 28, 2011 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
Didnt they play a game with 15 skaters?
that was rough. I mean i know weve been bad for some time now, but at least we werent THAT screwed
"Mario Lemiuex… I used to respect you."- Turgeon1992
I think it was maybe 16 skaters? Dont remember exactly
Either way it was a ridiculous situation to be in, for sure.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 28, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
Something like that
They were below the minimum. It happened to Calgary a few years ago too, thanks to a rash of injuries. There are supposed to be sanctions of a sort as well but the league let them skate (so to speak) seeing as how they’d been punished enough. But it was ridiculous, they were hosed either way because to call up enough skaters for the minimum would have put them over the cap. It was entirely of their own making.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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I mentioned this earlier, but the answer is simple: this team is run by idiots.
=d
by AP77 on Nov 28, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rating players ............
is like grading students. You can’t make genious out of average students, but they can in some cases be taught how to improve their performance and grades, and that is where the teacher and the principal who overlooks the whole situation and runs the school come in. So here comes my obvious analogy. When do we get to rate the coach and general manager on how well they are doing. I’ll take the plunge…. Cs if you want to be generous.
True
I’m having trouble properly dividing the blame with confidence (I think GM has fumbled the blueline, GM or coach has fumbled Comeau and coach has fumbled some of the useage). But 20 more games will give me a clearer idea. And 40 more after that …
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Matt Martin gets an A for this one:
@bookerT2116 i thought @grabs40 has been looking a little skinny lately too, but it must be tough to eat with no hands haha #roasted
by Les Beaver on Nov 28, 2011 4:29 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Excellent
Captdallas captured (much of) the exchange in this FanPost.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Say this for the guys
They are a close-knit crew…
Even if Grabs can’t beat up on Blake Comeau in Boggle anymore.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Nov 28, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Addicted through each high and low.
Mostly lows.
Which makes it
a perfect analogy for drug abuse.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Kyle Okposo
Would he be a failure if he didn’t have two goals the other night?
Just curious
by Mulligan on Nov 28, 2011 5:19 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Heh, interesting question
I don’t think so, because he played well in the two games after that also. (As just one example, I liked how he not only set up Grabner’s breakaway, but beat his man to be the first to get to the rebound.)
If it’s not clear, I am not pleased with any of the slackers. Separating KO out would require making a new category for whatever it is Mottau and DP fall into. Despite severe disappointment, KO has not been anywhere near that detrimental.
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I understand
was just curious and great job as usual
I like the idea of rating the players and not giving them a letter grade
That could be a complete mess
by Mulligan on Nov 28, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Haha, it's almost always a mess!
I’ve never found criteria I love. So you know … I just run with whatever feels right.
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Rolston had a slow/bad start last year too
He only turned things around when Lemaire came in and moved him to the 2nd line with Elias and Zubrus. As this year is proving anyone put with Elias and Zubrus becomes a halfway decent player. Elias (Nielsen?) moved the puck, Zubrus (PAP?) created space and worked the corners and they’d get the puck out to Rolston to just put on net. That’s all he’s good for at this point, his shot when he can get it on net.
He just works the cycle so if he isn’t paired with two capable forwards that can work a cycle (Bailey and Comeau? cozo’s don’t count!), he becomes a bigger liability. That ultimately meant his $5m liability playing with Comeau’s $2.5M liability. In theory (GM’s view), an improving Bailey and Comeau should have made up for a declining Rolston. If Bailey and Comeau played up to their expectations, I think the 3rd line with Rolston would have been effective – at least, more effective than this.
Basically, Rolston needs top 6 talent around him to perform – which he only gets when Capuano uses him on the PP (where the Isles still have trouble cycling the puck – rendering him ineffective even there). Garth won’t be able to trade him so it’s up to Capuano and the 3 assistant coaches to find a C and RW who can cycle the puck and bury any rebounds.
LOL
I keep thinking, what if the Isles decided to try to swing a trade for Zubrus?
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This team is not build arround Rolston.
It is not that important if you get Bailey, Moulson, Rolston or anybody else scoring the goals.
Rolston got his chanced to make an impact, but failed.
Now other got the chance, again, and decide to take that chance.
Yuck!
(Bobby, that’s really funny but I’m not sure we wanna go there, at least in this thread. Sorry if we’re being overbearing about it but … eew.)
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Nah, it's all good.
i just always took it that we were allowed to talk about the NHL in general in these threads.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 28, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, we generally are. Particularly so the game threads and the a.m. bits threads
I was just worried where this one was going to dovetail … and I couldn’t shake that image from my head. To be resurrected soon…
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Dammit, I hadn't seen it before I did the deed.
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Gone forever
:-(
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Explain the picture and response I missed please someone!
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
The logo the Rangers use on their Winter Classic jerseys
Once you’re told it’s the head of a phallus, you can’t look away.
(I probably overreacted. But I was also enjoying a mostly report-card-based discussion.)
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Maybe we just need to ...
get used to Tavares scoring in bunches and having lulls, like the proverbial streak hitter in baseball. Ten games is a long time to go without a goal, but he still creates when he’s not scoring himself, and as noted above he’s really improved in other ways, so for me, no way he’s any kind of disappointment. And he’s not close to his best yet.
I think Moulson and Grabner are simply reliable goal scorers. They’re surprisingly more consistent, and at the end of the year they both will have done their job or more.
Martin is growing into exactly what I hoped he’d be, and what one of his coaches said he’d be in Botta’s column a couple of years ago. I want to see him get more shifts with skill guys. I think he could open things up more for them, and get some chances of his own in front, off their chances. He might wind up being a guy the coach can plug in on any line at a given time to help get it going, but however he’s used I see him as a vital piece of this team’s future.
Parenteau is flat out a good player in the offensive end. He may not be super fast, but he’s quick and sly when he dishes off and looks like he’s playing hard every night. I like Parenteau a lot, it’s funny to think back to the argument about whether they should him or Schremp. The GM made the right call on that one I’d say.
Hamonic is already good and he’s hardly scratched the surface.
That’s it. Six guys are giving what they’re supposed to.
It’s hard to be too tough on MacDonald and Streit, but neither is close to their pre-injury level. And labeling Okposo a ‘slacker’ seems severe. He’s underachieving like a couple of others, but I just can’t believe it’s because he’s a slacker.
Anyway, it’s hard to win games getting what you need each night from only six guys.
I was telling a friend...
… that if his teammates could finish, Tavares would have 20 assists already. The games after his two 4-point nights could have easily been multi-point games.
He may be streaky, but I think he would have 80-90 pts this season if he had one of the best wingers on his line.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 28, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
Or if the powerplay were better
A guy like Tavares will still be streaky because he’s capable of four-point nights followed by goose eggs, but if the PP had been functional lately he’s surely get his share.
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No points in five games
And in three of them, nobody got any goals whatsoever. That doesn’t absolve anyone – just an observation.
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Nice Work Dom
Here’s what I see differently:
1. Nielsen is having an off year. What cappy was probably trying to do was what Nolan did for Blake. It is not working. Nielsen is a turnover machine (in a positive way)… so I agree with you there. But I can’t blame capuano for giving him an opportunity he just isn’t capable of excelling at. As silly as it sounds, Bailey is more capable, and maybe we’ll start to see that with Comeau-fusion gone.
2. Matt Martin was the best player in respect to role on the team… bar none. He is not only leading the team in physical play, but he is using that play to create space for himself, and unfortuately mostly offensively inept linemates. If it wasn’t for Kyle’s recent re-appearance as 2009 Kyle Okposo I’d be spending the next 20 games calling for a first line shake-up. With pandolfo out, and [most likely] reasoner [or colliton] in a fourth line of Martin-X-Haley could prove rather exciting… It’ll be nice to see Nino in that spot as well when we start playing softer teams… like BUFFALO!
3. Moulson is not, by any means, a passenger… and his contributions are there… but I’m just not convinced that he should be immune to the “SOFT” label this year. I wouldn’t mind seeing how many times Tavares has to take a shot to make a play if he was on the ice with Martin…. and Moulson would definitely improve any other line. I think some split shifting would be nice to see… maybe for four or five shifts per game. It would definitely make larger defenders think twice about who was on the ice before wrecking Tavares. My main point here is that capuano seems (it is probably more clear to me) to be trying to get this team to a point where it doesn’t need micheal haley or trevor gillies… Comeau and Okposo were the two softest players in respect to their abilities… and the next is Moulson… He doesn’t have to be clark gillies, but the team needs him to show some snarl more than a casual smile when they are getting their asses handed to them. I didn’t give kyle a pass on this, and I’m not going to give Matty one either… though 30G season go a long way in that regard. WINS are more important than GOALS… and until the team re-identifies itself the WINS are not going to come. If you don’t believe me, look at their results last year.
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by JPinVA on Nov 28, 2011 6:09 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
With Moulson
I agree. There are parts of his game that are “weak”. Would like to see him get angry…
Good points
As soon as I hit “publish” I felt guilty for not singling Martin out more, although I feel good about the language used.
It’s fair, I think, to say Nielsen and Moulson are having off years. Those guys need to help carry the team, sadly, for the squad to have any results. But in terms of grouping who isn’t quite the problem, they both qualified in my book.
So much I think still hinges on the third line not becoming a viable 2B option. (Speaking of forwards … D is another matter.)
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And I don’t really think ANY of the forwards are the CORE of the problems. I was thinking more in terms of progress. Martin has taken a nice step forward, and Nielsen has slid back a little with added responsibilities.
This doesn’t really come into play until February (?) when negotiations start.
WINNERS:
Martin (Next year?), Parentau(With the Isles or somewhere else)
LOSERS:
Mottau, Eaton, Wishart(?)
THE FENCE:
Nielsen… if he proves that he is an EXCELLENT 3rd line center rather than a very good second line center it’s going to cost him millions over the next 5 years. He’s still going to make very good money, but if Bailey wakes up, and they get signals that any of the prospects might be ready for the AHL/NHL show to begin… it might be with another team. The Isles just aren’t going to spend top shelf money with Tavares, Strome, Bailey, Ullstrom, Cizikas, Nelson and Lee available at bargain prices… not to mention the rest of the [just] forward prospects that are coming due… It’s going to make for an interesting spring around here.
The bottom line from the first 20 games is the defensive talent has got to improve for this season to worth watching past christmas.
I mean for the casual observer… I’ve seen this movie before, and I’ll watch it until I fall asleep in the recliner.
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Recliner
after recliner?
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Bad, bad and not good
From bad to bad to not good? Imrpovement
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by Russel Ginart on Nov 28, 2011 6:31 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
what about badwrong - or baDONG
/shameless Kung Pow! reference
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Pandolfo hurt??
Is it true Pandolfo broke his foot? Never wish for a player to get hurt but its time for call ups and others to make him not even a consideration anymore if it is, they gave him an oppurtunity
Now if only DP could get injured...
maybe retire… end the nonsense.
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Thats an awful thing to say about anyone.
And its not only awful, but its been said many times.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 28, 2011 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree.
Hoping someone gets hurt is something I do not understand.
thirded
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I'm with those ...
who think Nielsen is being asked to be something other than what he really is. The guy’s game is third line center, penalty killer and defensive specialist against the best player in the other uniform. In that role, he’s an excellent player. Asking to him to transform himself into a scoring and playmaking center, then labeling him a disappointment because he doesn’t dazzle is just off base, I think. That the coach is forced to shoehorn him into that role because Bailey hasn’t yet lived up to HIS expectations really hurts the team. That’s why their patience with Bailey has to be running short and they’re crossing their fingers that Strome and Cizikas develop a lot more quickly.
Well yeah
His PP time shouldn’t be anywhere near his PK time. I think it is silly when they put him on the 1st PP unit instead of PAP. Even if Frans were as good as PA on the PP, PAP is not nearly as good as Frans on the PK.
And PAP is a RH shot! I hate it when they have 5 lefties out there and half the time players are not one-timer threats. Makes it much easier for the PK.
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