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Plus/Minus: Islanders 3, Devils 2, bullet narrowly dodged

Michael Grabner scored on a shorthanded breakaway, made possible this time by Ilya Kovalchuk (rather than yesterday's goat Adam Larsson, who scored today) -- and Al Montoya played outstanding for the second day in a row.

Like yesterday, Montoya's performance was matched by his counterpart at the other end, but despite Martin Brodeur's multiple saves on breakaways (Kyle Okposo here, John Tavares there, Grabner both here and there) it wasn't enough for the Devils to conjure a sweep.

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It almost went to extra time, however, as on a D-zone faceoff with just over five seconds left, Frans Nielsen won the draw behind him, but Kovalchuk [sorry, it was actually Dainius Zubrus] beat the Isles to the corner and fed it to Zach Parise alone in the crease -- Milan Jurcina had abandoned the slot but also not gotten to the corner in time, so he was in no man's land. Fortunately, replays showed Parise's last touch on the puck was a kick with his skate to shove the puck over the line. Goal overturned, and the Isles first road victory of the season preserved.

Star-divide

There is a little more drama to sort through and plenty of interesting plays, but we'll get to that in the recap. This is your instant-analysis thread for your pluses and minuses from another wild day. One tired but nonetheless frequent minus: Jurcina's partner Mike Mottau, whose awful clear led to an earlier Devils tying goal and who just isn't getting it done. But since that's old hat we'll go with another who nearly cost them the lead: Nielsen's drop pass at the Devils blueline late in the game was a big nicht nicht and nearly cost the Isles dearly.

 

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I've always been a Dipietro supporter.......

and will self proclaim i have backed him over any Isles goaltender, but he had made a couple mistakes lately which opened the door for someone else. For me, and im sure many others wanted this much sooner, its time to give Montoya the rock and see how he handles it. At this point in the season he deserves it more than any other goaltender. We need some consistency if we have any chance to turn this season around.

by LaFontaine16 on Nov 26, 2011 3:42 PM EST reply actions  

he had made a couple mistakes lately which opened the door for someone else.

That door was well opened before he even played a game this season.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Nov 27, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

++++++++ EFFORT

+ FNGO is back. fransy will learn from his mistake.
+++ We got a call at the end of the game
- Enough of Mottau, right? I know you’re paying but waive him and lets cut the charade.

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 26, 2011 3:42 PM EST reply actions  

if keeping Mottau

he MUST be the 7th guy only

cannot believe this team hasn’t called someone else up

mindboggling

by Cary K on Nov 26, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah.. +++ Our goaltender, 100 times over

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 26, 2011 3:43 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Montoya forever

Or at least for the next game. Buy out what’s his name at the first opportunity. There are enough goalies in the system. Grabner has to start burying all those breakaway chances. Anyway, they’re nine points out of the playoffs with three quarters of the season left and a game or two in hand on everybody. Hey, you never know.

by kennyboy13 on Nov 26, 2011 3:48 PM EST reply actions  

El Cubano

starts from now on – until Nabokov needs time to become trade bait that is

RDP’s ass rides the pine

by Cary K on Nov 26, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Mottau 9:19 of ice time

Time for Wishart to get his chance

by rickrays on Nov 26, 2011 3:59 PM EST reply actions  

If I may copyedit
Time for Wishart ANYONE to get his chance

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Nov 26, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Really, WHY is Mottau still on this team?

This is why I start to blame Capuano. When is enough..well…enough? Mottau must go.

by jadster on Nov 26, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure which is which there

Mottau was signed as an emergency last year, with the punishment of two years. Capuano has at least benched him for third periods twice, and scratched him some. When he requested “grit” with Haley, did he also request a better D-man?

I view Pandolfo, Staios (b/c they got training camp trials under Capuano) and even Rolston (based on his heavy usage) as people Capuano must’ve been in favor of, but I’m not sure if he should carry any blame for Mottau still getting reps.

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by Dominik on Nov 26, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Why not?

It’s his decision who plays. Or, are you saying it’s not his decision?

by Bryville19 on Nov 26, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

ATM they haven't called up a 7th D Man so he has no choice.

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by garik16 on Nov 26, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

But if he wanted one called up

I find it hard to believe Garth would say no.

by Bryville19 on Nov 26, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

If he didn't want one Garth should've called one up anyhow.

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by garik16 on Nov 26, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

lol

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 26, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm saying every decision is a push/pull

For the coach and GM weighing their own opinion on short-term vs. long-term needs, including the readiness of potential replacements.

So if Snow is saying, “You know, I don’t think we can use Mottau anymore” but Capuano is saying, “I know he can do better” then maybe that makes the GM give him the benefit of the doubt a little longer.

I don’t believe that scenario is what’s going on in this instance — it’s just a hypothetical to demonstrate what I’m thinking — but while the GM’s job is to get players and the coach’s job is to get the players he has to perform, they’re both still going to have their opinions and consider each other’s input when making decisions in their own respective roles.

With Mottau still playing, at least one of them (if not both) is saying, “let’s see if this can work / give it another try / he’s still rebounding from two injuries” etc. Which one that is, I’m not sure, but with Capuano scratching him and now benching him during third periods after glaring errors, I’m betting Cap’s patience is wearing thin.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Nov 26, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

P.S.

Or alternatively one of them is saying, “I don’t think X is ready” or “I used X last year and I don’t think he’s better” etc.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Nov 26, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

or Wang

is saying to both of them you can’t have one – ain’t spending the extra dough

by Cary K on Nov 26, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Or Milbury is still pulling the strings from his secret lair deep beneath Versus Headquarters

Both explanations are equally plausible.

"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science

by PGI on Nov 26, 2011 6:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

The "dough" difference is pretty negligible.

The Isles dont have some big-money Dman in Bridgeport to call up.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Nov 27, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Why not...

let him try to find himself in the AHL? Are they really worried about losing Mike Mottau to waiver claims? There has to be another (maybe not better) option in Bridgeport. Just from a fans perspective I’d say that Wishart and deHaan would not be hurt by few NHL games right now.

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by JPinVA on Nov 26, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d say that Wishart and deHaan would not be hurt by few NHL games right now.

I think you have a point. But its tough to complain about the Isles not rushing players when there has been so much complaining about rushing players, you know?

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 27, 2011 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, you wouldn't be rushing Wishart at this point

you’d really be doing more “hurry the eff up already, you were drafted in ’06 for god sakes, get your shit together” type of stuff…but I get your point on the others!

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by Keith Quinn on Nov 27, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

...and just to defend my point.

As keith already said with Wishart, and dehaan is not exactly a rush job either.
2009 top 15 pick. If he made the team in 2009 (some thought he was borderline) we’d have had a helluva lot of second guessing going on if he was still sub-par.
If he made the team last year it would have been without the AHL safety net, and STILL would have been a tough 82 game haul for a youngster.
2011 he has already played close to 20 AHL games. He may have to play 160 AHL games before he is ready, but a 10-20 game NHL audition replacing Eaton/Mottau/Jurcina/staios isn’t going to squash his dreams.
I think the two best defensive coaches are on the Island, and the ONLY experienced NHL defensemen are on the Island.
I hate the on the job training philosophy, but in this case, it’s the whole they’ve dug for themselves, and Calvin could be one of the shovels to get them out.

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by JPinVA on Nov 27, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

As you know, you cant just go by years as far as whether or not a player is rushed

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 27, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

No...

But by most accounts deHaan was the last cut in 2009, 2010 and given their present situation you’d have to say he had a shot of making this team.
I personally think on a better club he’d be better served by having at least a full year in the AHL. this is a good team, and he should focus on improving himself and the team, and going through critical games at the end of the season. it will prepare him better for the day to day at the NHL level.
On this team… I’m not so sure. He might get better coaching, and some better experience at the NHL level. He also doesn’t have to stay at the NHL level. He might help them enough until they can pick up some salary dump somewhere, or maybe Wishart or Reese prove better than their inconsistent selves.
I just don’t think either path ruins him, unless he just can’t handle the NHL physicality at this point and he BREAKS.

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by JPinVA on Nov 27, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

You and I pretty much agree here.

But if things dont work out, there will be the cries of “you RUINED him!” for the next few decades.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 27, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

You gotta tune out the crying TMC,

and we must make sure not to contribute to cries, and hope decisions aren’t made for this organization based on the crying masses…

"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)

by Bryan2112 on Nov 27, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah but they didn't scratch any D right? The scratches were Nino, and Reasoner.

So they’ll have to bring up some one and send Mottau down. There is no chance he’d be claimed off of waivers. None at all. So he’ll be there for depth but honestly its hard to imagine bringing him back up.

Honestly I know Wishart is a little raw and he had a bad camp but is there any way in the world that he’s not better than Mottau? I feel badly for Mottau because of the two bad injuries last year, the eye and the leg but he is just so bad. Let him go down to the minors. If he looks like an NHL player playing down a level after 10 or 20 games at BPT then he can be first in line when we need a defenseman. I don’t see it happening.

by TMS on Nov 26, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Comeau's departure creates a spot

At least until Nabokov comes off IR.

I too feel a little bad for Mottau, though I’d never thought I could utter that after Nov. 21, 2008.

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by Dominik on Nov 26, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you feeling okay?

Well… maybe it’s because I have some sicilian in my blood… I never forget my enemies!

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by JPinVA on Nov 26, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Mottau must be stopped

I actually thought he was not as bad as everyone was saying last year, but I stopped defending him after the first few games of this season. Really, is there no one in Bridgeport who can do better? What about a contest between periods at the next home game to pick a new D-man out of the crowd?

by isles16 on Nov 26, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

He got one shift in the third

Cappy has no confidence in him. The fans have no confidence in him. Time to bring in the reinforcements.

No Sleep 'til....Belmont?

by Anarcurt on Nov 26, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Milan

- Jurcina letting his man go on the “kick-in” play was inexcusable
+ Glad that McDonald is getting going again, the Pittsburgh game must have been rock-bottom for him
+FNGO
+ JT played great in the defensive zone
- this Nino debacle needs resolution asap
- Katie Strang and Arthur Staple for not putting the screws to Cap/Snow on why the 5th overall pick is scratched 4 straight games. It’s like no one has the balls to ask “why” to these people.

by Hounddog57 on Nov 26, 2011 4:00 PM EST reply actions  

Milan?

We’d be better off if we had Mulan back there. She was a warrior.

by Chin Ho on Nov 26, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Jurcina was +2

He can not have been that bad…

by JanMath on Nov 27, 2011 5:39 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Have to give it up for Rolston for the pass to Bailey on his goal

Wish the Isles could get more out of those two but good to see some positive contribution from that line.

by rickrays on Nov 26, 2011 4:05 PM EST reply actions  

I don't think Juice deserves a plus either

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 26, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

You are right

I was feeling generous for Juice. He made a good play to start the Isles first goal.

A + also for the boys in Toronto. Parise can bitch and moan all he wants, but even if you argue the kick-in, he was in the crease early and tomahawked Toyota’s mitt to free the puck.

by JPinNYC on Nov 26, 2011 8:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Watching the highlights

And Mrs. Dorfer and I are crying we’re laughing so hard at Steve Cangialosi’s goal calls. It’s like he’s being goosed. How is he allowed to call games?

by Dorfer on Nov 26, 2011 4:23 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

I got the Devils feed on XM Radio...

When Montoya made the best save of the game it was the same call as when the Hindenberg blew up… and the bimbo that does the games with him…
1. They are going to review that goal? Well I guess they have to review every goal, I cannot see anything reviewable there.
2. Well maybe on that angle I can see that they are reviewing whether Parise kicked the puck in. It has to be a pendulum motion, I don’t see a pendulum motion… this should be a goal.
3. I really will never understand that rule… they really should allow you to kick the puck in so there aren’t any arguments.

…and this is how we advance the sport? You pull some bimbo off the street that knows as much about hockey as I know about women.

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by JPinVA on Nov 26, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Sherry Ross is a Homer and a Dunce

And those are her better qualities.

by rmblifn on Nov 26, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

+Montoya

The Devils obviously had a book on Al (high blocker), and he still held them to three goals in two days.
+1st Line & 2nd line=keeping working hard, the goals will come
+Dainius Zubrus=that’s how you get the puck to the front of the net with the goalie pulled. Mr.Rolston, please pay attention!
-Cappy=the effort is there, but he continues to make very odd decisions. Rolston on ice with Devils net empty? Why? So he can get an empty net goal against his former team? He’s our worst defensive forward. Win the game first.=Jurcina and Staios on the ice with :05 left. I’m not piling on Jurcina. He shouldn’t have been out there. If AMac and Hamonic are tired, use your timeout.=Mottau benched again after another giveaway. “After” is the point. Stop letting him play.
-Mottau=it’s all about the $$$. The Price is Right. No, that’s where he should look for work, “The Price is Right”. He’s great at giving sh** away. I’ll take Drew Carey’s fat ass on skates over Mottau.

by Bryville19 on Nov 26, 2011 4:33 PM EST reply actions  

The faceoff came off an icing

Jurcina and Staios had to be out there.

by Dorfer on Nov 26, 2011 4:42 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Good point

But why not use the time out?

by Bryville19 on Nov 26, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure

But I think the result off the faceoff was more of Jurcina being not very smart more than being tired. Oh well, a win regardless!

by Dorfer on Nov 26, 2011 5:14 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Just for discussion's sake

I’m not trying to argue with you. Jurcina made the wrong decision, you are absoluely correct, I just don’t think he should have been on the ice. The TWO bad coaching moves were:
A-putting him out there in the first place. I believe he and Staios were put out there after the NJ timeout. NJ took the time out to rest their big guns so they could stay on the ice. We took our guns off the ice, despite the timeout.
B-with five seconds on the clock, and the wrong guys trapped on the ice, take the timeout. They get the rest, and more importantly, they get coached as to where they should be, and what they should look for. Jurcina, obviously, wasn’t prepared for what happened, and that falls on the coach, just as much as Jurcina.

Staios breaking his stick, er, I mean realizing his stick was broken, before the face off, looked like a vet hinting to his coach to take the timeout.
And, yes, a win regardless! (I’m just greedy, I want more wins!)

by Bryville19 on Nov 26, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

But why were they out together in the first place

with less than 10 seconds to go? I would’ve liked to see any combination or at least one of the top 3 at that point…and if not, call the TO. (Before the icing).

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by Keith Quinn on Nov 26, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That's my point.

Questionable coaching decisions are adding up. It’s masked because we won (which is great), but it needs to be addressed.

by Bryville19 on Nov 26, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Indeed, Mottau didn't play the final 16 minutes after the 2nd Devils goal.

Which is why it’s a good thing we haven’t called up a 7th D-Man.

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by garik16 on Nov 26, 2011 4:43 PM EST reply actions  

Parise's a Big Baby

That was as blatant a kick-in goal as you’ll see and he was still whining about the “wrong call” post-game. It was a nice try, but STFU.

by rmblifn on Nov 26, 2011 4:50 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

No Goal!

Am I crazy or what? Didnt Parise have 2 feet in the crease before the puck even got there? He wasnt pushed into the crease either. Isnt that no goal for that reason? Ive seen it called before.
Why wasnt it mentioned?

by Jethro9 on Nov 26, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

that's what I'm thinking

Parise skated right into the crease, almost onto the goal line, how could he not interfere with Montoya given his positioning?

by Jones79 on Nov 26, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

it's a tough call

The refs should waive the goal at once if he’s interfering with the goalie – in this case the ref didn’t feel like Montoya was impeded from playing the puck or establishing his position. The crease calls can be tricky because he’s allowed to be there as long as he doesn’t create contact.

He must have thought that his whack at Al’s mitt sent the puck in. It’s entirely likely that Parise didn’t realize that it was his skate that did it.

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by mikb on Nov 27, 2011 2:59 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Thats what i was thinking

In slow motion it looks like he kicks it in but in real time it just looks like hes trying to find his position, he probably didnt even notice thats where the puck was

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by Zhora on Nov 27, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

That rule changed with the Brett Hull, Dallas/Buffalo cup final game

you’re allowed to go into the crease as long as you don’t interfere with the goaltender’s ability to play the puck (judgement call). But that usually entails “making contact” with the goalie before the puck arrives to the net.

I thought it was interference myself (and honestly, could’ve been “slashing” from what I saw), but the “automatic” interference for just being in the crease doesn’t exist anymore.

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by Keith Quinn on Nov 27, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

As an idea

maybe someone should e-mail or tweet Kerry Fraser of TSN to get the full clarification of that rule. I love that column now…very informative.

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by Keith Quinn on Nov 27, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I would love it if the NHL reinstated the crease rule. I always hated that the rule was changed to support Brett Hull’s goal. I think we wouldn’t have to nitpick contact or not if no one but the goalie was allowed in the crease like in lacrosse.

Can one be an atheist toward a hockey team? That means I have NO faith anymore.

by Turgeon1992 on Nov 27, 2011 1:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I hated

the crease rule. Even though they completely blew the call given the rules at the time, the fact that goals like Hull’s were commonly negated was ridiculous (and technically Hull’s may have been legal-that’s how dumb it got). I don’t mind them leaving it to be a judgement interference call-blowing some of those seems better than losing a goal because someone has their skate an inch into the crease. Hockey is way too fast for those kinds of paramaters.

Don't make me bring out the Silky.

by afrosupreme on Nov 27, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

You know, lacrosse is also a fast game, and the crease rule never interfered with the game.

I played lacrosse for 3 years in high school and all 4 years of college, and we all knew the rule and adjusted our strategies accordingly. Granted you were penalized for stepping the in the crease, so that may have had something to do with it.

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by Turgeon1992 on Nov 27, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I know next to nothing about lacrosse

The crease rule wasn’t really changed in hockey so much as changed back. The stricter rule was the aberration. And the rule is clear as it is – the goalie is presumed to have right of way within the crease. If you’re where he wants to be you’re expected to give way. If you have possession or are evenly contesting a puck, you’re fine.

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by mikb on Nov 27, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I think part of it is you can’t just plant a skate the way you can a cleat. If you’re charging at the net it’s one thing to avoid the goalie; it’s another to try and avoid a blue line on the ice.

Don't make me bring out the Silky.

by afrosupreme on Nov 27, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I know it wouldn't have mattered overall in the game

but I was waiting for the refs to toss Parise for unsportsmanlike conduct after he flipped out. I figured they were open to it, especially after the Kovalchuk penalty earlier in the game.

by CostiganR on Nov 27, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

How about his blatantly bitching about how the refs are wrong after the game?

Players and coaches have gotten fined for doing that. Will he?

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 27, 2011 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

It has to be Big Cubano's net now.

Anybody notice Haley today? I didn’t, and I like the guy. Grabner has to start burying those chances, that said, maybe he’s heating up.

by Staten Islander on Nov 26, 2011 4:56 PM EST reply actions  

I did notice

the team is 1-1-1 with him in the lineup.

by BattFist on Nov 26, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Rumor has is Grabs is afraid to race the Haley

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 27, 2011 2:22 AM EST up reply actions  

You're clueless

If you think it’s cool to randomly drop in on this board and lazily tell people they’re clueless if they don’t agree with you.

Brought to you by the Punctuation Police: For a Better America.

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by Dominik on Nov 29, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

stop dreamimg

until the Isles get a new building no elite FA player is coming to the Islanders.

by rickrays on Nov 26, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

No one said he's signing here

I think he just meant that Parise is a phenomenal player that he’d love to have on his team.

by Dorfer on Nov 26, 2011 5:40 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Probably true

Don't make me bring out the Silky.

by afrosupreme on Nov 26, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Another mess from Milbury!

Parise fell in our laps!!! And that scu-mbag Milbury took Robert Nilsson!! Just another bad move by the worst GM in NHL history!

by Jethro9 on Nov 26, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

get over it

what was it 6 years ago? jeezus

by ripcurl2121 on Nov 27, 2011 1:41 AM EST up reply actions  

actually

it was more like 8 years ago

by ripcurl2121 on Nov 27, 2011 1:41 AM EST up reply actions  

F-ing Milbury

My 22 year old son and I went to Game 4 of the Stanley Cup Finals in Boston and my son stood outside the Versus broadcast booth and yelled “Zach Parise” every time Milbury stuck his head out. No reaction from Milbury the Knublehead, but pretty funny.

by Chin Ho on Nov 26, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

++++Montoya: He is the number one guy on this team
+FNGO
+We finally caught a break on the Parise "goal"
+Moulson scores and Bailey Scores. He needs to shoot more

-JT no goal in 10 games (an empty netter was his last against Washington). And no point in 5. This guy needs to get going. He’s working, but there have been no results in a while. No multipoint game since the Florida game. half his points came in 2 games.
-Nino seems pretty annoyed after the twitter post. Wonder what’s up.
-—Mottau still on the team.

by davesy22 on Nov 26, 2011 5:13 PM EST reply actions  

- JT??????

You can’t fault JT for not scoring in the last stretch of games. Noone is scoring so he is getting tripple teamed an given no space with the puck. What does he do…plays excelent d for his squad. This guy is working his ass off every game. The only thing that worries me is you can tell he is getiing frustrated. A fine for the slash yesterday and a no call on a high stick that ended up giving us a pp. He is getting a little free with the stick. Somebody needs to calm him down. Who??? I guess cappy. Hey cappy get your act together!

by Niagara Islander77 on Nov 26, 2011 5:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

It's a real waste of talent.

Until the Isles get a elite player to play on that line this is going to continue.

by rickrays on Nov 26, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

But still no goals in 10

And still he was even not on ice at Moulsons goal yesterday.
I have to ask a question to you why?
I can only agree with you that he does the work, the question must be do he do the right work? Is there something he should do other? Is he not using his line right?

Do not misunderstand me, but he is the best individual player on the team, but hockey is a team sport. To be a beast, you must also be able to make the others better. Is JT currently making the other on ice with him better? I do not believe you can make a clear answer there yet.

by JanMath on Nov 27, 2011 2:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Just looking at the stats right now

JT is up to 15th in the league in faceoff percentage which is nice for puck possession.

I know we rely on him to score goals, but if is rounding out his defensive game and becomes more like Datsyuk than like Ovechkin, I’d be happy. He is taking on far more defensive responsibilities this year, and is still maintaining a pretty good scoring pace despite that despite the slump. His points will come.

The good thing is the amount of faith and responsibility the coaching staff is showing in him as a complete player…and by my eyes, he isn’t failing in that role. He is hitting more, winning puck battles, getting into scrums and being tougher, and all of that should translate to good things going forward. He is competing in every zone on the ice, and if nothing else, that is sending a message to his teammates that even your franchise player is doing these little things that win hockey games.

If the entire team was doing the things that JT is doing right now (work ethic wise), they’d all have more points and wins.

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by Keith Quinn on Nov 27, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Agree with all

My point is, just that it is not just he do not score…
It is like the line sometime not working, which make it look like he is the only player on the line.
If, that end up becoming the case, then his team will be in problem.
When I saw him last, I was impressed with is individual skills. But I notes all these tingle tangle gave opposition teams defense time general to position in front of the other players, and limit their chances to be free to make goals.
I am sure opposition teams tactic is a lot about making him running around out at the parameters. If they succeed killing there line, by there tactic, do you not think that is something Tavares and his line must change?

Lot of the point Tavares had made this season is in multiple point ensuring goals. That is find, but I would had preferred a goal against the flyers, so it could had been a win.

But this is also, a finger pointing at coach and his adviser.
Tavares is not the the islanders, but he should be an important part of it.

I believe that his line would make more goals, if they made i just a little bit more simple.
But yes, it is not just Tavares, but the whole line.

by JanMath on Nov 27, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

- JT??????

You can’t fault JT for not scoring in the last stretch of games. Noone is scoring so he is getting tripple teamed an given no space with the puck. What does he do…plays excelent d for his squad. This guy is working his ass off every game. The only thing that worries me is you can tell he is getiing frustrated. A fine for the slash yesterday and a no call on a high stick that ended up giving us a pp. He is getting a little free with the stick. Somebody needs to calm him down. Who??? I guess cappy. Hey cappy get your act together!

by Niagara Islander77 on Nov 26, 2011 7:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

There is a pattern to JT's game

And that is that he is as streaky (as far as putting the puck in the net) as they come. But he still played great yesterday, as he has in just about every game this season. But he has been streaky in goal scoring since he got here. He will break out again.

by JackandAce on Nov 27, 2011 8:02 AM EST up reply actions  

+ Fewer stupid passes
+ Grabner finally gets a SHG. If he scored more regularly on his breaks, he could shoot to the top of the NHL scorer list. Something to work on…
+ Goaltending!
- Not preventing the game-ending scene that, alas, only led to a disallowed goal. Yes, I said alas!
- Not making such a scene in similar situations (okay, that doesn’t strictly apply to this game).
- Not always putting the right guys out there at the right times. Or in some cases, putting certain guys out there at all.

by Paumanok on Nov 26, 2011 5:29 PM EST reply actions  

The limited action I've seen from Ullstrom looks very promising

1 SOG 1 Hit and a +1 in 11:12 of ice time. Hasn’t look out of place vs good competition. The offense will come.

by rickrays on Nov 26, 2011 6:07 PM EST reply actions  

I agree

I thought he played well yesterday.

by JackandAce on Nov 27, 2011 8:05 AM EST up reply actions  

+ Nino

MAYBE – they are keeping him to make the cap floor, until they pull off a trade for some salary (hopefully a top 4 D man), and then they will return him to Portland

that at least makes some sense – there must be a rational explanation (except its the Islanders, so maybe not)

by Cary K on Nov 26, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

They’ve said he’s staying with the team.

Our best guess is that they are getting him up to speed.

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by Mark D on Nov 26, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Good...

…we could use another forward with speed.

by Chin Ho on Nov 26, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure we do

His name is Mottau

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by Mark D on Nov 26, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

we just need one callup

one from BPT will do

any of them really….

by Cary K on Nov 26, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

So that makes him a 6-7th on the Islanders.

Can one be an atheist toward a hockey team? That means I have NO faith anymore.

by Turgeon1992 on Nov 27, 2011 1:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Montoya

He now should be worked as much as the Rangers work Lundquist. He clearly made a statement with yesterday’s performance.

by JackandAce on Nov 27, 2011 8:03 AM EST reply actions  

Not 1005 but he kind of is already.

Lundqvist was healthy the whole time, and there were I think 5 starts when a healthy Lundqvist sat for one goalie- Biron.
Montoya was injured for a few weeks, lets take that time out of the picture. But during the time we presume Montoya was healthy, there have been only 7 games where he sat for either of two goalies- Nabokov or DiPietro. Is it really that different?

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 27, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes

To date, Lundquist has played in 16 games, Montoya 8. Huge difference. And if things stay the same (as far as rotation for both teams), by the end of the year it would be even a bigger difference. The few games that Montoya was injured, the things were going he would have been lucky to get one of those starts.

by JackandAce on Nov 27, 2011 1:12 PM EST reply actions  

Sorry but youre not "doing the math".

The Rangers have two goalies- one starter, one backup, the Islanders have three- two starters, one backup (IMO).
Lundqvist sat healthy for 5 games
Montoya (when presumed healthy) sat for 7.
And if Montyoa was not injured for weeks, he would have more starts.
It is NOT different, its comparable.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 27, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Does not matter

I could not care less how many goalies the Rangers have compared to the Isles. I care about the best goalie getting (by far) the majority of starts. That is how you give your team the best chance to make the playoffs. And making the playoffs is goal, is it not? Trade value, at this point in the season, is meaningless. Unless you think the objective at the beginning of the season was to get the best value you can for Nabakov. I don’t think so- the objective is and was to make the playoffs- first and foremost. Therefore you play your best goalie in most of the starts and only rest him occasionally. If you want to keep 3 goalies, the other two can split the remaining games.

So lets go back over the ‘math.’
Lundquist has 16 games to Biron’s 5, or 76% of the starts.
Montoya, on the other hand, has 8 starts out of 21 games, or 38%.
The difference between starts for Lundquist and Montoya is 38 percentage points. Big difference.
Over the course of a year, say 80 games, Lundquist will start 60 of them. If things stayed the same on the Isles, Montoya would start 30. Therefore, we can safely conclude that if all things stay the same, Lundquist would start twice as many games as Montoya. And that would be, if you want to make the playoffs, crazy.

And therein is the problem, at least for me. Staying with the math, if you still want to keep the 3 goalies (I don’t), and you want to give the other two more of the starts, then I still would suggest you still give your number one goalie 60% of the starts, and let the other two split the remaining 40%. And for Montoya, that 60% is much more than his current 38%.
So, can you agree on your best goalie getting 60% of the starts? Thats much more than Montoya had been getting (and please forget the time he was injured, that was meaningless- he would have been lucky to get two of those 6 starts- even if you give him two of those starts his percentage is still less than 50% of all the games played).

by JackandAce on Nov 27, 2011 2:22 PM EST reply actions  

Again, your math is flawed.

I have already pointed out how (you are incorrectly presuming Montoya available for all games and two options, when in reality he was injured for weeks and there are three goalies). I already explained it twice above, no point in explaining it again.

BTW- youre not using the reply button, so this convo can get very messed up if others join in. We all need to use the reply button!

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 27, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

I need remedial training on reply buttons.

My math is absolutely correct. Your point on his injury is meaningless. Diagnosed with the injury on the 19th, and missed 3 games. Thats it. You are presuming there would have been more games missed, not sure how you think he was injured for “weeks.”. Like I said, even if I give you 6 games missed, which is not correct, his two additional starts (if that) do not impact the numbers. But don’t explain it 3 times, because it still would be wrong 3 times.

Lets try this:
What percentage of games would you like your number one goalie to start in a year? Don’t tell me 38%.

by JackandAce on Nov 27, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Be careful with math!!!

Lets use your presumption (and it only gets worse for you).
Montoya was diagnosed with an injury on the 19th, and put on IR retroactive to the 15th. So lets do what you want, and drop all those games from Montoya’s starts- but also understand it gets dropped from the total games played too.
So, up to the 15th of November, there were 14 Isle games played. You know how many Montoya started? Just 5. And you know what percentage of starts that is? 35%, even less than the 38% you took issue with up above.
I like math.

by JackandAce on Nov 27, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

"it only gets worse for you"

^ LMAO.
This is ridiculous.

Look dude- cry all you want… the fact remains that other than 7 measly games at the start of the season, split between another starter and a backup no less, they have been playing this kid nearly all the time he has been healthy. And I frankly do not care if you believe that or not.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Nov 27, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Running Total

Kyle 2, Post 1. Another very good game by Kyle, though, highlighted by helping to create his own breakaway, and then setting up Grabner for a breakaway and nearly slamming in the rebound.

Streit: B. One bad giveaway, but set up one of Grabner’s breakaways and created another good scoring chance. Also hustled back (like he was shot from a cannon) to cancel out a 3-on-2 when he was caught.
2.956 (21 games played)

Staios: C+. The first two periods he was playing well. Made a couple bad mistakes in the 3rd. (I don’t blame him much for Larsson’s goal— that was almost a 4-on-2.)
2.222 (21)

Hamonic: B. So-so for Hamonic.
3.107 (21)

AMac: B-. So-so for AMac.
2.679 (21)

The Muppets: B+. Solid throughout.

Jurcina: C. Has to share some of the blame for the 2nd goal. Also caught in between on the 3rd.
2.092 (12)

Mottau: C-. Was on his way to a good game until his bad turnover caught him in between for the 2nd goal. The top 3 defensemen averaged about 25 minutes. Mottau played 9:19, Jurcina 15:56. Surely Isles can find someone in Bridgeport who can play 9:19 more effectively.
1.829 (14)

Not in action:

Eaton:
2.131 (16)

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