Devils 1, New York 0: Islanders shutout for sixth time
by Dominik on Nov 25, 2011 5:45 PM EST
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PrintThe Islanders actually otuplayed the Devils for most of two of three periods, but the one period they didn't resulted in the only Devils goal, and the two periods where the Islanders held the edge resulted in nothing.
The result, all too familiar: The Isles were shutout for the sixth time this season, losing 1-0 and being stopped by Johan Hedberg 23 times.
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The Devils have the best penalty kill in the league, but it was still frustrating to see the Islanders powerplay come up empty (0-4) and do nothing to help this epic scoring slump.
In line matching, the Travis Hamonic and Andrew MacDonald pair faced Ilya Kovalchuk and Zach Parise with Adam Hernrique all afternoon, and held them in check. (Having seen so much of his Atlanta days, it's always fun to "see" Kovalchuk be invisible.) The frequent checking of Frans Nielsen with Kyle Okposo and Michael Grabner also played a big part in that success.
It was a fairly physical affair, with roughly 30 hits credited per team (Matt Martin and Travis Hamonic were credited with seven each by the magical fairy stat keepers) and David Ullstrom having some entertaining battles with his buddy Mattias Tedenby. Frankly, Ullstrom with Josh Bailey and yes, Brian Rolston looked alright today. Ullstrom isn't "there" yet, but he looks more prepared for NHL work than Nino Niederreiter right now so I don't mind seeing more of him.
Game Highlights
First Period
The Islanders began well, mostly earned the three of the powerplays they were granted ... and promptly wasted them, managing all of two shots in the six minutes of 5-on-4. There is simply zero imagination with the powerplay right now. Predictable movement and no decisiveness in taking a shot except from the point when they've strung so many unthreatening passes together that the point man (usually Mark Streit, sometimes Brian Rolston) ends up just firing it.
The Devils have the best PK in the league right now and end up giving up less than one goal every 10 opportunities, so today was a tough one to judge by. But it didn't look any different from previous games.
Cam Janssen invited Micheal Haley to a faceoff fight early on, so they got their marathon of punch-trading on. Janssen is one of those guys who loves to fight, exists on the ice to fight and believes enforcers are an essential part of every game. So this engagement was no surprise. There was a lot of talking during the fight, and I'd bet you it was merely Janssen politely asking Haley if he wanted to keep going or if they were too tired to carry on. Janssen is known by a few fanbases as a cheap villain (which is debatable), but in fights he's pretty much a fair dude.
Second Period
The Devils adjusted, or the Islanders didn't duplicate their first period effort, or it was just one of those periods. Whatever your rationale, the Devils tipped the ice the other way in the second, outshooting the Islanders 11-6 and scoring the only goal on a powerplay after a bad call. (Michael Grabner, who rarely takes a penalty, was called for a hooking in which he applied zero pressure and the "victim" played his body into a perceived "hook.").
On the goal, Adam Larsson's point shot broke his stick and fizzled into an accidental pass to Petr Sykora right in the upper slot, where he had time to set and beat Al Montoya with a very good stick-side shot.
Third Period
The Islanders came out much closer to the effort and execution they showed in the first period. Several near-chances generated on the rush, but the Islanders looked like the pressing team that makes one too many passes or, in passing, has one too many bounces go against them.
On a late Devils powerplay, Michael Grabner intercepted a pass at the Isles blueline and won a breakaway, but was taken down, drawing a penalty shot. He actually made a pretty good move on the PS, but Johan Hedberg did very well to stay with him and stretch to stop Grabner's backhand deke.
It was actually Grabner's second interception-fueled chance: Earlier, he intercepted a pass at the Devils blueline, but Hedberg went all in with the diving pokecheck. Shortly before the Devils powerplay finished, Andrew MacDonald -- who faced Zach Parise's line all night -- drew a penalty by Parise. That Isles powerplay was a little better, but still no success.
Hedberg was quite good on several late opportunities the Islanders generated -- even the extra man with the goalie pulled created some offense for once. But between Hedberg's saves and several Devils shot blockers, it was not to be.
Montoya, refreshingly, was quite good (22 saves). Hedberg was just one save better.
Broadcaster Moment of the Night
Butch: "Isles have done well in day games. Maybe that's the secret: They need the early wake up call. ... I could never get into afternoon games. Just never felt like I was in gear until seven o'clock."
Howie: "That's because you were just getting in at six."
Butch: "Oh no, I'd never..."
Howie: "Especially when you were in L.A."
Butch: "No I couldn't ahh..."
Howie: "I think the statute of limitations is up now, you can [come clean]."
FIG Winners: No One
Because no one picked no one. Unbelievably, we have the sixth shutout of the season and since no one picked "No one" for the First Islanders Goal pick, the FIG standings remain the same.
These two teams do this again tomorrow, two hours earlier (1 p.m.), in some place call Newark. Maybe we'll even see an Islanders goal.
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Isles
Have been the most disappointing taem in the NHL this year.
I jst cannot believe that tyey are repeating exactly what they did last year.
Its like a bad dream.
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Well
that’s one hell of a true statement. Not that they were supposed to be AMAZING, and everyone in the league even non-Isles fans were supposed to like them and expect something from them, but damn. Not to be really negative, but big disappointment so far.
by Wes Scarborough on Nov 25, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
Baby Steps in the Right Direction
I don’t mind games like this where they seem to care, are throwing hits, and you don’t have to worry about every shot the Devils take of going in.
by JPinNYC on Nov 25, 2011 6:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thats how bad its gotten
We see a game where they lose, but show some passion as an improvement
by nyidangle17 on Nov 26, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
This team has a complete goddamn absence of luck. None.
The Devils winning the lottery (and taking the Isles spot in the draft) = pure luck.
A stick breaking and the puck just happening to move as if it was a great pass to an open player is also pure luck.
Of all players, it was the stick of Larsson that broke- the player who is a Devil (as opposed to being an Islander) only because of- luck.
And having it not only happen but also be the goddamn GWG against the very team that would have drafted the kid if the Devs had not lucked out and won the lottery is an additional kick in the pants from lady luck.
I am TIRED of this team having no luck at all. Seriously.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 25, 2011 5:56 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Time to exorcise the demons
by The Danish Backhand of Judgement on Nov 25, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
We need to sacrifice something in the Coliseum parking lot
It’s the only way . Any ideas?
We can set DiPietros beard aflame
Even if the hockey gods don’t accept this as a sacrifice, it will still be fun to watch him flail around swatting at his own face
by Strong Island Thuggery on Nov 25, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that was supposed to be our broken stick!
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 25, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
LOL!
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 25, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
Chances are it will start going back their way at some point
Chances are that will be in the second half, when the season is already lost, and people will return to griping that they’re ruining their lottery prospects, and glimmers of hope will flicker anew.
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You create your own luck...
If the isles would shoot and crash the net and do it consistently they would score goals…They just do it once in a while…
we gotta get grabs a better set of hands for christmas
with the kinds of chances he creates he’ ought to score 50 a year.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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if we turn it around now, we'll be just fine
is it really too much to ask to try something like this
Moulson-JT-KO
Granbner-Nielsen-Parenteau
Rolston-Bailey-Niederreiter
Martin-Bailey-Pandolfo
how many games have Moulson-JT-PAP not scored – time to try something like this
actually that would have been true for today’s game as well, but whatever
I like
PAP on the 2nd line, and Grabs on the first line actually. I think both of those guys are kind of interchangeable, though. Either way, I also can see Moulson being split from JT, but that’s just an idea and not exactly a main concern – I think because of the Isles lack of toughness throughout the team as a whole early prevented this, but Martin up to either 2nd or 3rd line to be a big net presence is a nice idea too, but at the same time he’s needed on checking line and obviously does a great job there, definitely sufficient there. But I think Nino should be back in there, mixed with either first or second line. Ullstrom has done a great job so far too, and could fit in the checking line even, or 3rd line.
Either way, none of this matters if they don’t get shots on net. In the end, whatever lineups generates the most shots/chances is gonna be the most effective.
by Wes Scarborough on Nov 25, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
Moulson-JT-KO
Granbner-Nielsen-Parenteau
Rolston-Bailey-Niederreiter
Martin-Bailey-Pandolfo
Too much Bailey.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 25, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
If I drank as much Bailey's (or Moulsons) as the situation calls for
it would not be a pretty sight.
STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Nov 26, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
For someone who wants Bailey gone
you just cant get enough of him in these lines
Taking applications for a new favorite Islander.
by Chris McNally on Nov 25, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yup - Way too much Bailey
Ullstrom on 3rd line instead….
really doesn’t matter – point is they shouldn’t keep any of these lines together as we aren’t scoring
keep trying different combos until one shows they can score – Moulson-JT-KO is worth trying again – why not
I'll tell you something about Bailey, AND Comeau
The team is in a MAJOR funk right now. Even top guys aren’t making anything happen. The team is plain old stale. Calgary definitely picked up a good piece. The change of scenery will do him good and he will show his form again. Baily has moves. Something Grabner is lacking. When these guys get it together, everyone is gonna say how Bailey really came around, and I think it would have been the same for Blakey but unfortunately for him, he was the sacrificial lamb of the season. Some may have seen this coming with his whole contract thing dragging on thing (not as long as Bailey, I’m not sure if they have the same agent or not). Bailey just needs to take the shot. Maybe the coaches have told him that the passing is what they want from him because he seems like he forces passes for no reason. I think it was a particular hall of fame cry baby that said “100% of the shots you don’t take don’t go in”. Take the shot kid, and see what happens. I also think at this point, goalies and d men are predicting every move this team makes. If anyone saw Bylsmas pre game locker room speech before the game on monday they would agree. He laid out the Isles whole game in 9 seconds. Time to shake things up, and I dont mean the players
by Strong Island Thuggery on Nov 25, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry but they do need a new approach
This can’t just continue like this, very sad. The players are talented enough to score goals but they don’t. Too many passes, too many bad passes.
Too many passes, too many bad passes.
OMG yes.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 25, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
It was like they were afraid to shoot
Seriously, everyone was over passing. tavares was starting to look like Bailey out there with the unnecessary passes
"Mario Lemiuex… I used to respect you."- Turgeon1992
I am so tired of all the overthinking and overpassing and overskating-
It leads invariably to underperforming.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 25, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Me too
Although it is a common tendency when teams are struggling. Especially when trying to get that one goal to tie the game. Everything’s going against them so they feel like they need to make the perfect slam-dunk pass. Even JT did a little of that tonight.
That said, one other bounce and a Backhand of Judgment and we’re exhaling over a shootout “win.”
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I quite often find myself asking who is the D is passing the puck to trying to leave the zone!
And I really can’t stand all the cross ice passes, both length and width, that never eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeever make it to where they were intended to go.
The New York Islanders....they make opposing goalies look gooooood.
Sloppy with the puck
Everywhere. Meanwhile, they gotta shoot the stinkin’ thing. It’s not gonna go in if they don’t start shooting it at the net. And coming into the zone, they never, and I mean never, use the late man to create room. A frustrating game to watch.
The Isles have
very poor puck possession When they get a chance to shoot, they NEED to take it. Yet they are giving away chances and OFTEN, even though their puck possession proves to be pretty bad.
by Wes Scarborough on Nov 25, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
They have these binges where they start shooting and creating chances...
Then they go back to the cutesie passes…
Relegation
The NHL needs it. Send us down to the ECHL so we might have a chance at scoring more than 3 goals in 4 games.
Goalie pulled with 1:48 to go
and Rolston on the ice for the entre 1:48?
Why?
Is Frans that bad that he doesn’t see the ice at all?
I don’t understand the rational.
PS-hey Rolston, when you get the rebound on the side boards, and everyone is crashing the net, don’t WHIP the puck around to where only the D is. (@0:40)
Wondering why Rolston gets such important ice time
Or why he is even on the team will make you old.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 25, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
Not as old as Rolston.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 25, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe it's just me but shouldn't Montoya have stopped that shot Sykora scored on?
No one was screening him, he had perfect vision of the whole play, he was set up to make the save, but he just missed the shot.
No to beat a dead horse but if that same exact play happened and DP was in net and the Devils scored most of you would be calling for his crucifixion or his head on a silver platter. You know you would be! LOL.
This just proves my point that no matter who our Goalie is makes no difference because the Isles can not score to save their lives. Conversely it makes no difference who the opposing Goalie is because whether he’s a Vezina winner, career back-up, or some bum from a street corner they all look like gods of goaltending against us.
Oh well, if we have to lose to someone I would prefer it to be the Devils or maybe the St. Louis Blues since they are my 2nd and 3rd favorite teams.
The New York Islanders....they make opposing goalies look gooooood.
I dont think so
Theres no way to anticipate Larssons stick breaking and the puck going to an open player. 99.999% of the time in that situation, Larsson takes the shot- and Montoya was in position for it.
But I do agree that the Isles need to FRICKIN SCORE.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 25, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
It doesnt' matter
We could have the lovechild of Marty Brodeur and Billy Smith playing in net, with the Score-O board installed, and we’d still lose because we can’t score.
I was thinking the exact same thing!
If it was DP, everyone would have been screaming “SOFT GOAL”.
Of course, “everyone” has probably never played goal in their entire life.
absolutely
But, as you are alluding, they would be wrong in either case.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 25, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
People are hard on DP because of what he does.
DP is not trusted by Isles fans anymore..
I don't think it was unstoppable, but
…it did happen pretty quickly. Like Howie or Butch said, he was playing the shot from the top deep because he had time to react (and had to play deeper incase of deflection). Could he have slid out a little when he sow Sykora may get a shot? Perhaps, but he didn’t want to get caught in between.
Any goalies here with an opinion?
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 25, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
And further
On the PP is when it’s riskiest to go out and challenge too much, because that’s when there’s likely to be an extra man lurking for a side pass or back door play.
Goalies play percentages and likelihoods and such, and the puck ending up on Sykora’s stick probably wasn’t one of the probabilities Montoya’s neurons were gaming for at that millisecond.
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Dom
haven’t I heard you say you played goalie or was that my imagination?
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 25, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
Thore's really got the flow going in your thumbnail!
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He looks porn-worthy there, yes. ;o)
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 26, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
If he was able to get out to the top of his crease, maybe
It was a bang-bang play thanks to the stick break, so I’m not sure I can fault him for not challenging more. But it was an excellent shot either way. And if a shooter has time to set and shoot from the slot, that’s exactly where he wants to put it.
But you’re right — in OT that shot gets DP crucified. I guess you earn your own luck AND your own benefit of the doubt.
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No way
The goalie absolutely DOES matter.
by JPinNYC on Nov 25, 2011 6:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
One other thing that matters
Say the fellas DID score one or two. There is no way Ricky could keep it down to only one past him. The Cuban proved his worth yet again tonight while keeping the scoring to a minimum. He is the guy no two ways about it
by Strong Island Thuggery on Nov 25, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
Why is it that every time someone lets up a goal it's now going to be compared to DP getting cricified for it
when DP let’s in more than one of those an outing. I mean seriously, Montoya put up a .957 tonight and gave up a wristshot goal from a sniper who was between the circles all alone. The guy has a .930 on the season as compared to DP’s .885…that translates to about 4.5 goals per 100 shots…which is about 1.5 goals per game.
DP gets crucified for being a pretty bad goaltender.
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by Keith Quinn on Nov 25, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Also, none of it really matters if our offense averages 0 goals per game
but at least tonight, they lost less bad.
NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
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by Keith Quinn on Nov 25, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
The last 10 games
For teams playing games 11-20:
2-6-2 record, better than only Carolina @ 2-8-0 and Anaheim @ 1-6-3
20 GF – tied for 28th with Anaheim. Carolina had only 19
40 GA – 30th, Carolina in 29th with 38
PP – 3 for 31, 9.7%. Better than NJ (9.5%), Carolina (7.7%) and Phoenix (7.1%)
PK – 26 of 36, 72.2%. better than only Chicago (13 of 24: 54.2%) and Colorado (22 of 32: 68.8%)
Hits: 226, about middle of the pack
My suggestion for a new HBO show...
Islanders at the Point: A handful of Islanders roam around Hunts Point with a stack of fifties, but fail to score.
by Torgo on Nov 25, 2011 6:30 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
In Episode 1
A black car comes out of nowhere. Two guys jump out, throw a hood over Comeau’s head, and throw him in the back and drive off. The only ID from the closest hooker witness was that the two guys had thick Canadian accents.
The hooker was also heard saying that Comeau didn’t want to engage in any sexual activity, but instead ran figure 8’s around her for 30 minutes.
by JPinNYC on Nov 25, 2011 6:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
hahaha TERRIFIC
that one is a gut buster
by Strong Island Thuggery on Nov 25, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
Broduer shuts us out tomorrow for the ultimate insult!
OR we get the false hope loser point, by losing in OT or the shoot out!
We are all Islanders, even if we’re from Jersey!
OMG, The Rags have 6 goals.
It can get worse.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 25, 2011 6:32 PM EST reply actions
If Syracuse loses to Stanford in the garden
I’m going postal.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 25, 2011 6:40 PM EST reply actions
Rolston
He played over 15 minutes and saw 20 shifts.
Question to anyone watching the game on TV: Was his name ever mentioned?
I don’t remember him being mentioned at all
You are wrong
They mentioned him during the intermission, he did an interview.
Oh wait, you meant during the game. Oops.
Hmmm.
Yeah, OK- I remember him throwing the puck along the boards later in the game and I believe the Devs were able to get it out of the zone. So there you go.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 25, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Again, he looked pretty good in the 1st and softer as the game went on.
I think he’s just getting old.
Ullstrom was good. He may be top-9 by the end of the season.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 25, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
Running Total
Kyle 2; posts 1.
Streit: B-. Played okay, but had a lot of opportunity to create chances and it never came together. (Largely forwards’ faults, though.)
2.954 (20 games played)
Staios: B-. One of his better games. Used his physicality (can only call it “physicality” some games for Staios) to create space for Streit to maneuver. Also did pretty well when he had the puck.
2.218 (20)
Hamonic: B. A couple fairly noticeable mistakes. Other than that, he played one of his stronger games.
3.112 (20)
AMac: C+. One bad turnover. Pretty unnoticeable, which isn’t entirely bad for AMac. (Wasn’t seeing him being driven into boards or playing soft as much as some games.)
2.687 (20)
Jurcina: C+. Similar to Hamonic, he played physically strong for Jurcina, but a couple sizable mistakes.
2.100 (11)
Mottau: C. One bad turnover. Slower pace of Devils attack favored Mottau, who wasn’t turned around as much today as other games. (Was that Kovalchuk out there, or Alexei Yashin? He didn’t attack with any speed. Hope for the same tomorrow out of him.)
1.840 (12)
Not in action:
Eaton:
2.131 (16)
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 25, 2011 6:45 PM EST reply actions
Seriously it's like none of the guys have good hockey sense
Only JT knows what he wants to do when he gets the puck. We’re so hesitant with our passing and when we try to just react we make the wrong decision. It’s hard to watch.
You have to ask yourself how much longer you will watch
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 25, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
until I'm dead
I will watch until I’m dead or they are no long the New York Islanders. I can’t help it. I was born an Islander, and that is my heritage, for better or worse.
I don’t think that “no one has good hockey sense” but what you are seeing is the pressure the players are under to score. They know how many times they’ve been snake bit, shut out,etc.
I would say that only JT has the vision and the ability to know what he wants to do and do it.
by Jones79 on Nov 25, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Couple thoughts from an outsider..
Until this offseason I had confidence in Snow’s vision for your team.. but I’m not sure anymore. The offseason ex devil reclamation project is inexcusable. How he didnt add experienced proven NHL scoring and a real 4/5 dman is ridiculous.
He needs to make three moves to get this ship back on the right course..
1) bring up Czikas for 3rd/4th pivot time. He’s young, tough and has upside. The opposite of whats currently getting time in that spot now.
2) Have Capuano name Montoya the starter. DP lays every 4th or 5th game. Nabokov traded when healthy. Long term Poulin as #1 and Montoya #2 is a nice set up.
3) Make a trade for Weber or Suter. A legit #1 to play opposite Streit or allow Streit to drop down to 2nd pair would do wonders. A package of Bailey, Nelson and mid round pick should do it. Shedding Comeau and two if the ex devils should make it close to a wash cash wise (this season at least).
As a Ranger fan I’m sure these ideas will be shat upon..but wanted to put the them out there.
by Gabby the Gutless Sniper on Nov 25, 2011 7:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
We try to shat as little as possible here
And your ideas are not only good, but a lot of the fans here have all called for at least one of these ideas themselves.
I think Capuano’s hands are tied with the Montoya/DP thing. He can ride Montoya for a little while, but I honestly don’t think the powers that be would ever allow him to be the official starter over DiPietro.
Czikas may see the team this year, but only if one of the old men breakdown. It would be an upgrade either way.
Taking applications for a new favorite Islander.
by Chris McNally on Nov 25, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Other then your Weber/Suter package being too little, I love your ideas.
A top 4 d-man would be excellent right now. And right now I think a physical(big preferably) top 6 forward would do wonders for our team. We are just so soft and lack the “take punishment to make a play/goal” mentality that it’s rediculous. If I see Okposo skate towards the net and circle at the last second again I’m gonna heavily question his toughness going forward(or what he has left). Rolston shouldn’t even be in the top 9, Pandolfo should have been cut before comeau, Mottau shouldn’t have started on the NHL roster, a real d-man instead of our mottau/eaton/staios/jurcina trio would have been great, playing a 3-headed trio is gonna be a mistake moving forward, a lot of stuff garth should have done before the season or addressed before this season is biting us in the ass.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
We need 3 things
1 – An Ed Westfall type leader on the ice
2 – A good Ty Wishart
3 – No more goalie injuries (and at the worst times too)
We need these 3 things ASAP.
"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)
We need more. This team has a lot of weaknesses right now.
If we can’t outwork medicore teams, like NJ, we are teh screwed.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
You will have to give up a lot more than Bailey, Nelson, and a mid rounder for Weber or Suter.
Come on. Try thinking of it from Nashville’s perspective. 28 teams would LINE UP to beat that package. You have to:
- make that mid rounder this years first rounder
- add one of MacDonald, Hamonic, de Haan, or Donovan
- and maybe even add one more lesser prospect.
Not saying I wouldn’t do it, but Bailey/Nelson/mid-rounder is never getting a deal done.
Suter maybe
since he’ll be a UFA this year. An RFA would demand a much greater package than a UFA.
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by Fabtraption on Nov 26, 2011 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, there was too much passing near the goal...
…but last game Isles did score on a tick-tack-toe goal that was a split second (or a couple feet) different than a couple plays today.
But yeah, Isles passed up 2 or 3 good shots, trying for the perfect pass when it just wasn’t there.
Some of it is being too “cute” and some of it is not reading what is available.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 25, 2011 7:07 PM EST reply actions
Honestly
I believe the tic-tac-toe play was an accident. It looked like Grabner was trying to hit Okposo streaking up the middle, but his pass was off the ice and floated over to Bailey. Bailey’s pass was beautiful so I’ll call it a tac-toe play.
But it was just a lucky break that didn’t turn that play into ‘the same ol’ islanders’
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by Chris McNally on Nov 25, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
It bothers me when our Capt says that they aren't that skilled so they have to outwork teams...
I dont think thats a good thing to keep saying…He said this a couple days ago…
I think he's telling them to give a better effort
And trying to be nice.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 25, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
He'd be lying
and they’d know it.
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by Keith Quinn on Nov 25, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
really?
It wasnt that long ago that everyone was hoping playoffs. It seemed pretty positive around here before the season started..So,I guess u knew better than everyone else…
Sadly, our skills/talent level was much overrated. Our D kills us, and our offense with "streaky" comeau gone, sucky Bailey, old-man Rolston, and a jumbled bottom 6 altogether,
makes us arguably a bad lower conference team/I’d say 13th/14th east seed “on paper”. And that’s not even with dissecting the PP/PK/Goalie situation.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Knew?
No, I thought they’d be better than this…but I know not to lie to intelligent grown men who can see through bullshit.
It’s obvious they’re not getting through on talent alone. Why would he tell them they’re very talented, but not working hard enough? They need to work hard BECAUSE they’re not talented enough right now. You become more talented by working hard and pushing yourself hard.
You don’t develop a hard work ethic by being talented.
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by Keith Quinn on Nov 26, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
We don't have a lot of skill.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 25, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
The Power Play + Grabner
We’ve been terrible from the point. The power play is basically invisible without having any threat from the point because everyone clamps down on our forwards. Without worrying about up top. Streit has been good moving the puck but not shooting. Basically the defense not contributing is whats been hurting the offense.
Now with Grabner, we need to pay for him to go train with Rob Schremp Hockey for breakaway and shootout moves. I was casually watching the game today because family were over but I think I noticed him get 2-3 breakaways where he couldn’t bury it and then I knew before he was even up for the Penalty Shot that he wouldn’t score.
You wouldn't believe how good the Corsi is for my NHL 12 Be A Pro player.
Cam Janssen
This guy is like Rocky. He is not that good of a fighter compared to how good of a punching bag he is. He can take punches and still keep going. I admire him for nothing more that that. Gillies pummeled this guy in the pre season and he stood there and took it and went the whole round without giving up. This looks to me like a common occurrence. You better expect to be there for a while if you wanna drop with him. That, and he looks like something out of JuassicPark
by Strong Island Thuggery on Nov 25, 2011 7:24 PM EST reply actions
Is Comeau already with the Flames?
I’m looking forward to seeing him score his first (and second?) goal of the year, is why.
Yeah
hes wearing number 10 and will be playing wing on either the 2nd or 3rd line. I’’m watching the game right now. Trust me, if he scores, you’ll all know about it
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by Chris McNally on Nov 25, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
I dont know
but hes out there flinging his body around like hes Matt Martin all of the sudden. Not like the normal Blake Comeau checks.
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by Chris McNally on Nov 25, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
You know what's sad?
He has two shots and three or four hits tonight…that is 10% of his season production thus far. He’s still at that 100% for points. Freaking Comeau.
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by Keith Quinn on Nov 25, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
TOLD you all so! He checked off the Island long ago.....
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He was also on PP1
In their game thread the quote was something to the effect of “you know you have NO strategy when a guy arrives in the afternoon and is on PP1”.
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by Keith Quinn on Nov 25, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
Reality Check
There’s no playoffs the way the team is now. I think it’s time to start thinking about making the changes for the future, and if that catches lightning in a bottle, ride with that, and if we make the playoffs, great. If we stick with THIS team the way it is, next year’s wasted as well.
The thing’s I’d concentrate on are:
1. Find a role for bailey and Okposo, and if they can’t cut it, move them.
2. Sign Nielsen for at least 3 years. If there’s no deal by the trade deadline, move him. Can’t take a chance on getting nothing. (I assume he’d be an UFA, if an RFA, forget I said anything.)
3. Move out the old and slow defenders one at a time and start bringing young guys in. They’ll need experience.
4. Send Nino to Portland. Capuano clearly has no faith in him, so let him get premium time and confidence.
5. Get a coach that wants to develop young players. The one we have isn’t interested.
6. Pick two goalies and move #3. That can’t happen for a few weeks until Nabakov is back and healthy, but when all three are good to go, make a move.
7. Rolston’s new role – pressbox emergency-only player. Him being out there in crunchtime is the clearest sign that the management thinks only the old guys and the top line are worthwhile. And that’s a grave error.
At least with a young, hungry team it’ll be fun and interesting. This team is not any fun to watch, but is too much fun for the other team to play.
I am sad.
Agreed with most
I mean, what is the point of “rebuilding” with a bunch of one-year-only aging vets. It’s not like they’re displaying great leadership skills on the ice. Just plain stupid.
you really have to wonder
if after the vote, Wang pulled the plug on any spending over the cap floor
The new replacement seem very bad!
It look like this team players worse than in the team we saw at the early spring. So I will say that we do not need a high degree to conclude that something is wrong with the player that came in or came back.
You can not disclose any of them from that list, even Streit. Not that I will hold him as one of the likely candidate as the current problem.
So I will hold a lot on Rolston and Pandolfo at the forward side. I would look at Mottau and Statios for defense. Statios is actually playing in many ways better than Streit, but he is slow, which force the forward to thing more defensive in their play. That I especially has notes in Nielsens game. In the start of the season, he was pressing for goals, and did score some nice goals. But it meant the line got punished with odd man rushes against and goals against as well. So I think at lead back to more defensive awareness.
Now a team must be build from the back to front. It doesn’t help have the best offense, with the worse defense behind. that why I believe that management made a bad decision to bring in, by the way far to bad, veterans. The offense may be their for a cup run, but the defense is for sure not. I will also say there need one more good line, so the team can present 3 trust able lines.
The first line have one and a half first liner. Tavares and maybe Moulson.
That in my book mean that we should still being in that start of rebuild.
A champ team has at lest 1A, 1B, 3A level lines and a 3B line, or 2A, 2B, 2C and 3 level lines, if you insist on looking on them with line numbers. Do the islander have a 1 line. Is our two worst lines above 4 lines level? So we are not even near.
This team has only one way to go, that is by the draft, because it has real problem attract quality players. If you in this state of time take in veterans, then need to be better than the young they replace! I do not think that is the current case, with this years veterans.
So that learned now, play them as little as possibly, and try to developing the young players.
Just one little detail more, the team grow, last year after Nielsen got the A. One would have to wonder what that meant for the team…?
Just got back from this one...
+ Montoya is back as the NUMBER ONE GOALIE…. RIGHT?
+ Okposo starting to look a little more like 2009-10 Okposo.
- Everybody seems so tentative… too many passes when shots/rebounds are probably more appropriate.
- The PP officialy SUCKS. Doug Weight taking on a more adminisrative role has been added to my checklist of things that need to happen before they are successful.
- The defense as group cannot support all three (Staios, Jurcina, Mottau) night afer night. They need some depth… and if they are worried about having to waive Wishart to get him back down after a temporary stint then we need to see Donovan or Klementyev. Obviously, if Comeau is only good if he is free (Calgary, right?) then a trade isn’t going to happen either.
+ Good crowd, with a lot of life early…. Thank you Micheal Haley!!!
+ Sold my tickets… If you’re the two guys that bought my sec 210 tix at Will Call… I apologize for keeping the family fun pack perks… I need glasses!
+ First game in an Islander Suite…. very cool… but they really need a new building!
+ BLAKE COMEAU T for half price… I was a BC fan, and I will always root for the guy.
- 2 games live this year… two shutouts.. I’m banning myself from games until their offense picks up, and I feel safer about testing the jinx… At least they had some exciting scoring chances… but I don’t think I’ll pay for tickets until Rolston, Mottau and Pandolfo are no longer Islanders…. not at home anyway.
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by JPinVA on Nov 25, 2011 8:06 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
The PP officialy SUCKS. Doug Weight taking on a more adminisrative role has been added to my checklist of things that need to happen before they are successful.
Once other teams learned that stupid “tip in” drill they were doing, the PP has sucked. No adjustments made other than personnel, and they continue to trot out Rolston the useless. Baffling.
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by Keith Quinn on Nov 25, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yes sir!
When you have a guy that is good at something it is usually because he has been exposed to good coaching and/or he has exceptional talent. Let’s say that Doug Weight has a bit of both… which doesn’t make him a good coach… but doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results makes him INSANE.
Time to let Doug Weight test his coaching skills somewhere it doesn’t really matter… like Bridgeport.
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If I see another tip-in set-up, I'm going to laugh (and cry on the inside).
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
What's one of those other options?
Because to me, it looks like they pass it back and forth until they either lose it, or have an opening to do that play.
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by Keith Quinn on Nov 26, 2011 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
to me, it looks like they pass it back and forth until they either lose it,
That isnt just what they are doing on the PP, thats what they are doing ES, too.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 26, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
Sigh
yeah…dammit.
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This shutout was somewhat expected. But the other 5 this early in the season, no.
This is getting rediculous. Off with Cap’s head, although I sadly think that is still a longer drought and x-mas away (since garth likes to apparently cut ties on holidays).
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Okay now I'm really pissed - reasons to be very mad now
Strang’s tweets say Nino isn’t hurt, and that he is also not heading back to Portland per Snow
1) SO WHY ISN’T HE PLAYING ON A TEAM GOING NOWHERE?
makes ZERO sense – that’s as in ZERO sense – PLAY HIM NOW – THERE’S NO EXPLANATION OTHER THAN STUPIDITY
2) tonight in Bridgeport the following people demonstrate some understanding for scoring a goal by actually scoring
Wallace, Colliton, Cizikas – all can play defense as well – BRING UP CIZIKAS NOW and cut Rolston
START GIVING OUR FUTURE PLAYERS TIME TO LEARN RIGHT NOW WHEN WE CAN’T SCORE ANYWAY
3) de Haan is back and scored a goal – BRING HIM UP NOW, LET HIM START LEARNING HOW TO PLAY IN THE NHL
WHAT WE HAVE ISN’T ENOUGH AND ISN’T WORKING
is that loud enough for the front office to hear?
here's Strang's piece on this
there’s no rational explanation
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/hockey/post/_/id/5567/what-lies-ahead-for-nino
or maybe
leave everyone in Bridgeport – let them rack up a winning streak (beat CT 6-2 tonight)
call them up after they have more confidence & experience winning games and actually scoring goals
That's my thinking
Rather than bring them into to a…less than ideal situation on Long Island. Does it mean more shitty nights for the big club this year? Yes. Will they be more seasoned pros next season. Yes.
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Sigh...
Isn’t this the same thinking we had last year though…?
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by Fabtraption on Nov 26, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
Could it be possible...
that Nino is being shopped as a piece of a trade in the works, and that mngmt is sitting him to avoid the risk of injury?
No.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 25, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Because you pulled it out of thin air based on absolutely nothing, thats why.
You asked any of us if it is possible. I say no. If you dont want people to answer you, why ask?
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 25, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
we could use a big shakeup to be sure
but that’s not it, and nor playing Nino makes no sense in that context anyway
though what context it does make sense in I would like to know
Fair enough.
But its not happening. The guy was picked 5th overall not even a year and a half ago and lives with the Isles Captain.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 25, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
I's really not feeling the Nino outrage
It’s been three games. He’s 19 years old. He started the season with an injury. He played three games for Bridgeport, then came back up and immediately played three games for the Islanders. There’s 60+ games left this season. The rest of the team has scored fuck all in his absence and really shouldn’t rely on this recently-injured rookie to spark their offense.
If the coach wants him to sit for a bit, he can sit. Three games in November of his rookie year isn’t going to ruin his development forever.
My fingers are starting to point at Capuano with every passing shutout. But this is hardly the biggest issue they have. Being totally predictable and anemic on offense is.
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by PGI on Nov 25, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
On Nino
he may still have lingering issues they don’t consider an injury and they don’t want to play him on the crap coliseum ice.
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by Keith Quinn on Nov 25, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
doubt its the ice
but maybe they wanted to give the injury a bit more time – who knows
why call him a healthy scratch then?
Yes and what? Jeff Tambellini ringing any bells
I would say almost all our forwards was tearing up the goals when in AHL
I agree either there is a place for Nino on the team, or send him down.
There IS no "sending him down".
Right now it cant happen. It wont happen.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 26, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
On Nino
I think TMC mentioned it the other day – I forget on what thread – but I think they’re doing the same thing that they did with Grabner last season: they both came in late, so they’ve been scratched for the initial time they’re here to learn the system and adjust themselves. It makes sense especially since Nino is so young and inexperienced.
by sayvillelax94 on Nov 26, 2011 8:31 AM EST up reply actions
Yup- I think that is what they are doing, there is no other reasonable explanation- if Nino is healthy, that is.
And that IS reasonable. I just hope that is indeed what they are doing.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 26, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Nino
Couple things I would do moving forward
1) just send Nino back to Portland if you aren’t going to develop him his year. Odds are if they play him he will be bouncing around on lines with Rolston, Bailey, Pando, Martin, and Haley and getting Matt Martin-esque ice time
2) Bring up Wishart for Mottau, he played in both games I went to last year and there wasn’t about his game making him unworthy of the NHL
3) If Michael Terrien would have us, I’d take a flyer on him. I was all for Capuano but something has to change. I know there’s not much a coach can do with some of the geriatrics on the team but if I’m beginning to think Cap is messing up the development of Martin, Nino, KO, and Hamonic
Capuano IS hurting this team.
1) Nino must play, he has nothing left to prove in Portland. The fact that Capuano did not give Strome his 9 game tryout to me is an ENIGMA.
2) Totally agree with Wishart. Waive Mottau, someone will pick him up. He can’t possibly play any worse then Mottau.
3) Capuano has to be fired. The team is no longer playing 100% for him. In spurts they do, but consistently? NOPE.
Capuano’s success 1/2 of last season was with a mix of young guns.
He went with Veterans this season, and now it’s bit him in the ass.
He scratches Nino, but still plays Rolston & Pandolfo.
He is hurting the development of our young players. I’d rather see rookie mistakes and let them learn rather than seeing NO FIRE every night.
by Sal Interlandi on Nov 25, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
something has to change
May I make a suggestion? TEAM HYPNOTIST
Losing is a disease...
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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cappy will be gone after tomorrow's loss
I just hope they find a way to keep his hair in the organization. Did any one of us possibly envision 6 shut outs in their first 20 games? There is so much going wrong its almost impossible, but yet night after night, there it is. I should punch my big brother in the face for turning me into an isles fan when i was a kid.
by randyboyd on Nov 25, 2011 9:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions
StapeNewsday Arthur Staple
#NHL announces John Tavares fined $2,500 for slashing Zach Parise in 2nd period of today’s Devils win. #Isles
With all the shit JT takes game in and game out, this fine amazes me
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Saw the slash
It was pretty bad, not surprised at the fine actually.
by edavidmorris on Nov 25, 2011 10:15 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I agree it was bad
But I’ve seen so much worse go unpunished
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by Chris McNally on Nov 25, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-Imsp4a6_0
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 25, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
HE WILL NOW BE KNOWN AS A REPEAT OFFENDER
LIKE THE REST OF THE ISLANDERS GOON SQUAD!!!!
Is he paying rent to live at Weight’s house? It might be a little late this month.
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by PGI on Nov 25, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He's already a repeat offender
He’s an Islander. Plus he’s wearing those convict jerseys.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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and now
we’re dead last in Points – worse than Columbus
an embarassment yet again
time to start playing better – pressure’s off
StapeNewsday Arthur Staple
Blake Comeau’s funk continues — bad back pass leads to goal for Blues, up 2-0 on Comeau’s new team, the Flames.
30 seconds ago
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Staples a punk for this tweet
I saw it and it made me mad. I want to know if hes even watching the game. It was obvious miscommunication between the two players. It wasn’t like it was one of his normal bonehead plays.
All in all 3 SOG, 3 hits…he didn;t look bad at all for a guy who just got off the plane and laced ’em up with a bunch of strangers
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by Chris McNally on Nov 25, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
JT Slump
John Tavares L/4 Games 0 points 13 shots ugggggh. When Johnny T comes out of this downturn watch out, its going to be crazy. The young start is fast becoming one of the streakiest offensive players in the entire nhl.
he is kind of streaky. which is his big downside.
by Smoothcatdaddy on Nov 25, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
13 shots in 4 games
He’s still creating chances. Odds are that a couple of them will go in shortly.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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well, the good news is...
our lines might look like this in a couple of years
Moulson-Tavares-Strome
Grabner-Nielsen-Okposo
Kabanov-Lee/Nelson-Nino
Martin-Cizikas-Sundstrom
the bad news is
they might be playing in a different city/country by that time
everybody "wong" chung tonight
by potvins_cups on Nov 25, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
Besides the 3 things I mentioned above
…they need to figure out who’s playing next year and who isn’t, and trade from your strength. Next year, I expect at least 3 rookie F on the team (Nino, Strome, and 1 of Cizikas, Kabanov, Petrov), so who’s out?
They need the proper mix of youth sprinkled with a veteran or two that can PLAY WELL WHILE MIRED IN A SLUMP. Someone battle-hardened from a grueling NHL playoff series or two.
I can’t believe I’m fucking back to talking about this shit again…
"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)
Agreed. We need to get rid of "adding vets" that are useless.
Pandolfo getting more toi then Martin/Nino/Ullstrom is wrong. Rolston getting more time then anyone not in the top 6 is also rediculous. Cap doesn’t have his shit right if he is logically thinking this out. Rolston shouldn’t be on the 1st PP, Rolston shouldn’t be in the game during crunch time, Rolston argualby shouldn’t even be on the 3rd line. Reasoner being cut instead of Pandolfo for haley is also very suspicious. I swear, it’s like Cap/Garth has a bloodpact with Rolston/Pandolfo or something, and he’s gonna ride them to the ground till we are in dead last and have no shot at anything better then a top 2 pick. It’s getting rediculous.
And I don’t know how long we can live with Staios as our #4 d-man. He’s taking a penalty more then every other game and if it wasn’t for Streit helping him, he’d look as bad as eaton and juice have(if he doesn’t already). Staios was a scap pile pick-up and he shows it, a mediocre to ok bottom pairing d-man at best. Nothing was better snow? No one? Or no one else that you once played hockey with or is from boston? That’s right, Staios played 2yrs of hockey with Snow on the Nucks around a decade ago. Coincidence?
Showcasing Nabokov is stupid too. Is a 3rd or 4th round draft pick worth that much to you snow? Really? But either way, DP should have been in the minors to start the season anyway, and Nabokov should be the 20/62 backup to Montoya right now.
Sitting Nino 3gms straight? Snow doesn’t want to, actually can’t send Nino back anyway so we sit our top 5 pick last year in favor of who? That’s just stupid, development hurting, and idiotic. Sorry to tell you this Cap, but you likely were gonna have a bottom 8 finish with a good season, and with the moves you’ve been making, you’re gonna be lucky if we don’t get a top 2 pick. So why aren’t you playing Nino, a player that did everything you could have asked for him to bring, besideds score, in his 3 games this year?
And I love how we couldn’t find a spot to scratch Bailey earlier in the year, but magically find a spot to scratch reasoner 2 straight games when Bailey was “THE WORST” forward on the team in the first dozen or so games to start the season. Brilliant coaching. And forcing Haley to play 4th line center instead of scratching Pandolfo, who has been noticably worse then Reasoner, thinning out your PK unit, thinning out your top faceoff takers, and thinning out your defensive bottom 6ers for 2 games straight, is genius.
Cap you suck
And Garth, you’re stupid unless you really want a top 2/1st overall pick this year.
End rant.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
by OzzyFan on Nov 25, 2011 11:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
PS-Anyone would be better then Mottau has been this year.
N E 1. Reese, Wishart, Katic(if uninjuried), Klementyev, and even Donovan/DeHaan most likely too. (Hillen and Martinek too for the record). For the record also, 09/10-should be retired Witt was even better then Mottau was in his last year according to corsi/advanced-stats. Mottau sucks really really really bad, and him seeing any ice time is a disservice to bottom pairing d-man around the league and our team.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
+1 - If This Continues, Cap's Gotta Go
Last year’s in the rear view mirror. Hire a coach with NHL experience and success. Who’s out there? How about Marc Crawford? Or Michel Therien?
Nino need the take a few shift with Tavares and Nielsen
I think we need to double shift Tavares and Nielsen a little on Ninos line. No giving them to long shift. They already play to long shifts.
This is actually a bad sign, because it means that Coach do not really trust any other center on the team.
Anyway for Nino to developing he need to play with good players. And we do currently not have many well playing centers. I didn’t even talking of star playing centers, just good playing.
Ehh I don't feel like arguing in favor of Cappy
I don’t mind some of his decisions, just the way he uses the old guys and plays Mottau-Jurcina on the PK pisses me off.
That said, perhaps it’s just the players we thought should be taking steps this season aren’t ready and we’re just not that good. But again I don’t feel like arguing.
I just have a question: how, in the name of Bossy, did you leave Mottau out of that rant?! He’s fucking horrendous and I cringe and fear the worst literally every shift he takes. He gives me almost as much confidence as DP does. (Just a joke by the way, not calling you out haha.)
by sayvillelax94 on Nov 26, 2011 8:39 AM EST up reply actions
Great post, Ozzy
I agree with everything you said.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 26, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
FWIW
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I’ve been informed that had the Calgary Flames passed on Blake Comeau, the Nashville Predators would have claimed him.
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by Keith Quinn on Nov 26, 2011 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
Well, maybe this is something you can blame Snow for
I would think that once contact is made or someone becomes “available” that most GMs would do due diligence and look at the construction of the other team.
In our case, it has to be known how many one way contracts we have, how many roster spots an NHL team has, our goaltending situation (one being a scratch when everyone’s healthy) and our need to have salary to make it to the cap floor. Bearing that in mind, there is a clog here of guys we need on the roster for cap purposes and knowing that Comeau is underperforming, there is a significant chance that nobody wanted to pay (picks) what Comeau is worth because really, we’re over a barrel.
Another consideration is that he was for free (asset wise) and given his lack of productivity relative to his price tag, I doubt anybody wanted to give up an asset (and I’m sure it was a quality asset SNow was looking for) and the cash to pay his salary. (Particularly Calgary and Montreal who have a little bit of recent history of overpaying slouches and Nashville who is a budget team).
I’ll bet if Comeau was making 800K, we’d have been able to get something done, but he’s being paid more than Moulson was after his first 30 goal season and PAP after a 50 point season. He had more ice time to get his 24 goals than both of them. His defensive metrics were pretty spotty. A good GM will notice those things.
Honestly, if Snow came back with a 3rd or 4th rounder for Comeau, I’ll bet people would’ve been more upset than losing him to waivers.
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The Isles didnt trade for Shremp, FMIV, Nate Thompson, Grabner, etc- but they did pick them all up
Its the same thing.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 26, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Because a team might have been willing to pick him up for free (i.e. without having to give something up for him except his salary) but not trade a pick for him. Pretty simple, really.
by Islesprof on Nov 26, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Uh...
Wasn’t that Hockey Break guy really, really, really wrong just a few weeks ago?
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by Fabtraption on Nov 26, 2011 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
That too
yes. He effed up the Nabokov for Tyutin thing.
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It amazes me
That a one goal 2nd period deficit feels insurmountable. My TV will not survive much more of this. Or my marraige for that matter.
Uh well
You can’t blameau Comeau for this one.
by kennyboy13 on Nov 26, 2011 3:27 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
That was a hell of a boring game
Despite the handy 9 pm (Swiss time) start, I fell asleep at the end of the second period. I drank a couple of nocinos, but that can’t be it.
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When Cappy came up to the big leagues, he showed confidence in his young lineup, had them playing loose and attacking . He prob didnt feel like he’d be coaching this year on long island(nothing to lose). When he was given the reigns and a contract, than his thoughts of survival came into play. Thus the dependence on some washed up veterans.
The old boys club in the nhl , (scouts, coaches, general managers) all use a certain dynamic in selectng their teams. Certain prototypical players and lines are used in certain postions. This type of thought process was best illustrated in the baseball movie "Money Ball’ . Long Island hockey needs some futuristic thinking, and new hockey methodology, when approaching what a lineup should look like in a league that stresses speed and finesse.
Maybe 10 offensive calibre players, with one defensive specialist and an enforcer in the 4 line rotation . Get 5 attack orientated defenseman and let the sparks fly. Let your goaltenders be your key to stopping teams attacks. Wow the entertainment, and possibly a winning season, and playoff run would be in the cards. I know this sounds radical, and revolutionary. But could it get any worse than what we have watched lately.
This organization is now capabe of putting these players on the ice
Strome Tavares Grabner (Niagara Ice Dogs)
Moulson- Nielson-PAP
Bailey- Lee(Notre Dame)- Okposo
Martin-Reasoner-haley
Macdonald
hamonic
Streit
DeHann
Add one more passer attacker
Montoya
Nillson
Are the lines you posted above meant for this season?
If that’s the case, you have to strike off Strome. He can be recalled only once the Ice Dog’s season has come to an end. That would be March 18 or, if they qualify for the play-offs, sometimes between April and the end of May.
Same for Lee
once he plays a pro game I’m almost positive he’s no longer NCAA eligible. Outside of that, I like the idea of this lineup until there is a more traditional one that would work here.
It’s like using the “wildcat” in football.
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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.
The victory justified the faith in coach Al Arbour who guided them from their second season to their first Stanley Cup seven seasons later. The Islanders would not be the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup, but they would be the only one capable of a dynasty.
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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.
Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.
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May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.
A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.
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May 17, 1983: Not so fast, whipper-snappers. The Edmonton Oilers' steadily rising challenge for league supremacy took them all the way to the finals for the first time, where the New York Islanders summarily dispatched them in a four-game sweep. For the Islanders, the Dynasty was secured. For the Oilers, it was a powerful lesson in where talent ends and the demands of playoff hockey begin.
Four years, four Cups, 16 consecutive playoff series wins (a record that would grow to 19 until the rematch with the Oilers the following year). Mike Bossy scored 60 goals yet again, and Wayne Gretzky became acquainted with Billy Smith's crease.
