After Milbury era, Is the Snow era beginning ???
by The Pro on Nov 24, 2011 7:51 PM EST
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A team is always as strong as his GM and as is coach. Considering that is the GM who hire the coach, the GM position is the ultimately part of a team success. It was the case for many Stanley Cup winners in the NHL history. Even the Islanders had their winner GM in Bill Torrey to previously build their dynasty for the 80's.
The first contract that Snow signed as GM was...Dipietro's contract ! "12 Sep 2006 ... New York Islanders rookie general manager Garth Snow shocked the hockey The biggest in the NHL history ! And remember, as a player, Snow was the mentor and was also an ex roomate of Dipietro...Strange, isn't it ?
world Tuesday by signing goaltender Rick DiPietro to a 15-year,..." www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2006/09/12/dipietro-contract.html
As other notable facts: Snow was not able to trade Jason Blake to Anaheim in a big move because the NHL did not received the fax in time (the players named and involved in the transaction was Corey Perry or Penner, Jason Blake and a draft picks...). The NHL avoid the transaction because they did not received the fax in is office before 17:00...
Everyone will also remember the trade for Smith...A too expensive trade for a rental...We were lucky that in the package of all young players that we trade for him, did not emerged an NHL star. "The Oilers received prospects Robert Nilsson and Ryan O'Marra -- both first-round draft picks -- and a 2007 first-round selection", Associated Press. The Isles paid 3 first round picks for a rental player...We also know that a rental is generaly trade for a second or a third round pick...
Two years ago, Snow was not able to signed Kovalchuck even if he had the biggest cap space in the NHL ! This summer, Snow was not able to signed Ehrhoff , or sign an other first line defenseman after Ehrhoff turned down the Snow offer... (Ehrhoff is now playing 23 min/game as first pair defencemen with Buffalo)
Snow also hired Gordon despite the fact that Quenneville, Hartley and Maurice was experienced nhl coach and free...It was the same when he decided to sign Capuano, with no experience in the NHL... instead of an experienced NHL coach, but the fact is that Therrien (a Stanley Cup winner) and Harltey were also a possible move...
Snow was himself hired with no experience as administrator (GM) by Charles Wang. From goalie to GM...!!! So Wang is also responsable of what is happening to this franchise.
We all thought that the Milbury era was the worst in the NHL history...but now, what is happening, year after year, remember me something...
As a fan, we need to regroup and do something to preserve this franchise. We need to regroup and scream on the street that we will not tolerate that kind of situation. An Isles fan army would make a great wake up call !
You are welcome to propose something to do as a fan !
If some of you have other exemples of bad moves by Snow, it will be welcome to this post !
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by backstop87 on Nov 24, 2011 8:29 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
“Thanks you for posting on message islanders board. My name peggy.”
by nullzero00 on Nov 24, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Erhoff
was not a first pair D, he’s more of a #3-4 guy. He made the attempt, but Erhoff wanted way more than what he was worth. On top of that, Garth got a 4th rounder back, so he didn’t lose anything in the attempt.
Aside from this attempt, what other top pair Dmen were available this past offseason? Just about every good one was locked up before free agency started.
If you’re going to bitch about “we didn’t sign a D man” or “we hired an inexperienced coach”, then tell me who we should have gone after. Tell me who he should have hired as coach.
Tell me who you think would be better at the job of GM.
just one. one name.
I’;d prefer to see a list of 3-5 people who you think would be better, but for shits and giggles, all i want is one.
by nullzero00 on Nov 24, 2011 8:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
and another note about Erhoff...
there is a difference between throwing big money at a guy, and throwing stupid money at a guy. If Snow is not going to throw stupid money around, then more power to him.
by nullzero00 on Nov 24, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ehrhoff is a first pair defensemen with Buffalo...
He is playing 23 minutes/game…and was on the top of defensemen as free agent this summer…
once again, just because you sign someone to play on the first pair doesn;t necessarily make that person a “first pair” player (read:Wisniewski).
and once again, with feeling: Ehrhoff was signed for 10 years, $40 million. Not only is that stupid money, but it’s stupid years too. Garth offered a good premium to market worth, but this guy wanted the moon, and got it, just not from us.
by nullzero00 on Nov 25, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
*crickets*
If you’re going to bitch about "we didn’t sign a D man" or "we hired an inexperienced coach", then tell me who we should have gone after. Tell me who he should have hired as coach.
Tell me who you think would be better at the job of GM.
just one. one name.
I’d prefer to see a list of 3-5 people who you think would be better, but for shits and giggles, all i want is one.
Wouldnt it be nice if people who are so certain they know whats what would come up with an answer for things like this?
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 25, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
The DP contract was Wang's baby. Snow had no input on that. And you're actually criticizing the Ryan Smyth trade?
You mean the one that got us an all-star for NOTHING? Shut up dude. Garth Snow is nothing like Mike Milbury.
by Metzfan22 on Nov 24, 2011 8:54 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Remember...
12 Sep 2006 … New York Islanders rookie general manager Garth Snow shocked the hockey
world Tuesday by signing goaltender Rick DiPietro to a 15-year, …
The Canadian article is wrong.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 25, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and actually, the Islanders wanted to sign DP to the 15 year deal a year earlier, but he decided to just sign for one year. So this had nothing to do with Snow other than he was the guy that handed over the pen.
by nullzero00 on Nov 25, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
how do you know?
the fact was that garth was the gm, he had to have some influence regardless of how new he was. i suspect he was very influential, but i wouldn’t know either.
Its not a guess, it has been reported since then.
Smith was fired because he refused to be part of a committee and wanted to make all the GM decisions. Snow came in and if he did the same thing, he would not have had the job. What is so difficult aobut that to understand? You dont walk into a job on day one and tell your boss he cant do what he already decided to do, especially when the guy who tried that a few days before was fired.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 25, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
do you believe everything that's been reported?
I don’t. the facts are that snow was the gm when the contract was made. he’s been on for 5 years now. we ‘think’ we have a great prospect pool. we finished 4th last a year ago. we’re now 2nd last. how long do we give him to start winning? i know it’s early in this season, but questioning garth’s history to date is very justified.
again, how do you know?
bc it was reported? should i believe metalchick or CBC?
You should believe all of us- because we are telling you the truth.
But even if all you want to believe is the stupid CBC, even in that article itself it states that they tried to do this contract the year before. So obviously even from that dumb article you can see that the contract had been an idea that LONG predated and was not the idea of or the doings of Garth Snow.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
the facts are that snow was the gm when the contract was made.
No he was not GM when the contract was “made”. The contract was “made” when he was a goalie.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 26, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously- blame the guy for whatever you dont like that he DID do!
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 26, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
ok...what has garth done?
we finished 4th last last year, now we’re 2nd from last. we’ve been terrible for years and years and years, we’d better have a good prospect pool… all i’m saying is that this guy posted an article with some facts, some non-facts probably, but garth deserves scrutiny.
Smith was fired because he refused to be part of a committee and wanted to make all the GM decisions. Snow came in and if he did the same thing, he would not have had the job.
Although, that isn’t really a ringing endorsement for Snow. Basically a successful NHL GM refused to budge on a bad situation/deal and was fired. So anyone coming in has to be one step removed from a yes-man. And so you tap the backup goalie.
I’m not a Snow hater, but that whole sequence is still mind-boggling.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
At the time, he did.
He had to convince the owner that “the committee” was a bad idea.
Fortunately, he did.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 27, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
"We also know that a rental is generaly trade for a second or third round pick." HAHA what? Not when the player is good.
And I’ve never heard anything about any Corey Perry/Jason Blake trade.
Yeah that was bizarre
I never heard about a Corey Perry/Jason Blake trade. Why the hell would Anaheim even make such a trade? Perry was still a highly-touted prospect at the time and Blake was in a fluke year.
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by Fabtraption on Nov 24, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I Never Heard Anything Like That
@The Pro: You got a link for that stuff about Jason Blake and a late fax trade to Anaheim?
by rmblifn on Nov 26, 2011 12:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Are you saying that we generally can see a team trading a 1st or more than 1 second draft picks for a rental player ?
It is a mistake to refer to Nilsson and OMara as anything but massive disappointments.
With all the going on about how the Isles “should have traded Comau when he still had value” instead of waiving him- there a case where the GM DID trade those two when they still had value- i.e., before the rest of the NHL realized they were both worthless.
And youre complaining!
I think you would complain no matter what. If Snow had hung on to those losers, where the hell would they be now?
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 25, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My point is that it was 3 first round picks for a rental...whatever the player.
And I also think that Snow had to trade Comeau when is still had value.
And MY point is that looking at either of those two as “first round picks” instead of complete disappointments is wrong. They were worthless, the rest of the NHL just didnt know it yet.
And I also think that Snow had to trade Comeau when is still had value.
But when he did exactly that with those two clowns, here you are still complaining all these years later.
Which brings me to the notion that you would complain either way.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 25, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ha thanks metz… but I have a vague feeling the Pro doesnt really care what I have to say.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 25, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
Oops, that was for the comment above. Youll understand :)
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 25, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
You're forgetting that it wasn't three first round picks. It was two prospects and one pick.
Both prospects SUCKED AND WERE NOTHING. Why are we bashing Garth because he sold high on two players who became nothing? Just looking to complain about something, eh?
ok...how many times has a rental player been traded for 2 former 1st rounders and a future 1st rounder?
the bottom line- was that a good deal or no? i’d say no. that’s all.
For the (hopefully) final time
Ryan O’Marra Career NHL Stats: 24GP-1G-5A-6P. Currently playing in AHL.
Robert Nilsson NHL Stats: 252-37-81-118. Currently playing in KHL.
Alex Plante (the player selected with the pick from the Islanders in the Smyth trade) NHL Stats: 9-0-2-2. Currently playing in AHL.
Ryan Smyth Islanders Stats: 18-5-10-15.
In a mere 18 games with the Islanders, Smyth outscored the 5-year career stats complied by two of the “first round picks” he was traded for combined. Nilsson hung around for a while before bolting for the KHL.
You can kill Garth, Wang, Capuano or whoever you want for a million reasons for why the Islanders are what they are. But trading a bust, a third-liner now playing in Russia and a minor leaguer for a guy who helped get them into the playoffs that year is a non-starter. Please move along.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
by PGI on Nov 29, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Ack!
This should be rec’ed not flagged. My bad.
by barry_hal_oliver_24 on Nov 29, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Dont worry, Barry
Theres a glitch where recs look like flags to you when you first give them… but then when everythings said and done it is a rec as intended, not a flag. Its all good. :)
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 29, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
hindsight is everything...
can i bet on the packers to win last year’s super bowl now? the deal looks great now, i get that, but what about at the time? I believe they were fairly recently made picks 1st round picks and highly regarded while a future 1st is a future 1st. I ain’t killing nobody, just sharing an opinion. move on whenever you like.
I believe they were fairly recently made picks 1st round picks and highly regarded
And you would be wrong.
“Highly regarded”? LOL… maybe by people who knew nothing but their names, juniors stats, and when they were picked in the draft. The people who actually watched them knew better- thankfully.
The Isles were lucky to get anyhting for those two.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 30, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
Good luck gathering an army to do that
But until he trades away a package of John Tavares, Michael Grabner, Ryan Strome, and Kirill Kabanov for a wheel of cheese, it’ll be quite the small army.
The first contract that Snow signed as GM was…Dipietro’s contract ! The biggest in the NHL history ! And remember, as a player, Snow was the mentor and was also an ex roomate of Dipietro…Strange, isn’t it ?
I find it a lot more strange that there are genuine dedicated fans who still do not know that Snow had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with that contract. It was negotiated and agreed upon between both parties when Snow was a goalie, then announced to the world as soon as the Neil Smith drama dies down and Snow happened to be GM.
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Honestly, this entire post is pretty baffling IMO.
But I guess its good to be reminded that there are dedicated Isles fans out there who actually believe all of this stuff.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 25, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe you forgot something...
12 Sep 2006 … New York Islanders rookie general manager Garth Snow shocked the hockey
world Tuesday by signing goaltender Rick DiPietro to a 15-year, …
Garth didn't negotiate that contract, Wang did
There’s actually been quite a bit of discussion and moderate confirmation on the matter.
by sayvillelax94 on Nov 25, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
Also
Milbury attempted to sign DP to a 15 year deal originally, and the league office was against it. They convinced him to just give him a 1 year extension after his rookie deal ran out.
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Again, the Canadian article is wrong.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 25, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No, you forgot something
According to the article, "He had discussed a 15-year deal last summer with Wang after the NHL lockout when DiPietro expressed he wanted to spend his entire playing career on Long Island.
But obstacles regarding insurance over the course of the contract nixed a deal at the time, and DiPietro signed for one year and $2.5 million US." …Snow was still the backup goalie when Wang came up with the idea for a 15 year deal, and he was only GM for two months when DiPietro signed it. This was Wang’s baby all the way. Be patient, stay the course, Snow is no Milbury.
by Tietj29 on Nov 25, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Snow had the responsability as all GM in the NHL for the contact signed by an NHL team.
I understand what you are saying. Maybe It was the baby of Wang, Milbury or someone else, but Snow was the GM at this moment. So he has at least, a little to do with the signing, he has as GM the responsability for the signing.
You know, I was patient more then 20 years…I am someone who is very patient and who will always stay in the course. But it does’nt mean that we need to deny the facts. And the facts are that we have now a losing dynasty…We need a reel change, truly, we deserved better as a fan. We pay for tickets, NHL stuff, TV rights for what ?
Probably you’re right, Snow will never be Milbury, but i sincerely wish that Snow wake up and turn this franchise to a winning one.
Snow was the GM at this moment. So he has at least, a little to do with the signing, he has as GM the responsability for the signing.
Snow was brought in after the DiPi deal was already there on the negotiation table, worked on for a long time while Snow was a goalie, and it was long decided to be happening. Plus back then, Snow was not a regular GM- he was instead brought in to be part of “the committee” (a concept that has been since abandoned) and did not have the powers he has now.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 25, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
"Stay in the Course"? "Reel Change"? "The NHL avoid the transaction because they did not received the fax"?
Why do I get the feeling we’re being Rick Rolled?
You have NO argument. You're missing all the real points.
MetalChick hits the pertinent points on the head.
this was in your article
He had discussed a 15-year deal last summer with Wang after the NHL lockout when DiPietro expressed he wanted to spend his entire playing career on Long Island.
But obstacles regarding insurance over the course of the contract nixed a deal at the time, and DiPietro signed for one year and $2.5 million US.
did you happen to finish the article, or did you just read the headline? because im pretty sure it says right there that the 15-year deal wasn’t snow’s idea…kudos on reading comprehension there buddy.
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by CraigConway on Nov 26, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
so i pressed the wrong button
He had discussed a 15-year deal last summer with Wang after the NHL lockout when DiPietro expressed he wanted to spend his entire playing career on Long Island.
But obstacles regarding insurance over the course of the contract nixed a deal at the time, and DiPietro signed for one year and $2.5 million US.
my point is still valid, my dignity…not so much
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by CraigConway on Nov 26, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Everyone will also remember the trade for Smith…A too expensive trade for a rental…We were lucky that in the package of all young players that we trade for him, did not emerged an NHL star. We also know that a rental is generaly trade for a second or a third round pick…
The Islanders traded 2 former first rounders and a first. Obviously they knew something about the prospects they traded, so it’s not that surprising that neither of them panned out for the Oilers.
Two years ago, Snow was not able to signed Kovalchuck even if he had the biggest cap space in the NHL ! This summer, Snow was not able to signed Errhoft , or sign an other first line defenseman after Errhoft turned down the Snow offer…
I don’t believe the Islanders were ever seriously after Kovy. The Islanders only came up after the Kings refused to negotiate with him because he wasn’t negotiating in good faith. Kovy wanted to sign with the Devils, but wanted his ridiculous contract. The Islanders were the only team that could possibly afford Kovy’s demands and more then likely it was his agent using the Isles as a bargaining chip against the Devils.
Snow also hired Gordon and Capuano, both with no experience in the NHL… instead of an experienced NHL coach…
Milbury hired Rick Bowness, who had NHL experience, and also hired Laviolette who had no NHL experience. Sometimes you take a chance. But no one was against bringing back Capuano after the 2nd half the Isles had.
We all thought that the Milbury era was the worst in the NHL history…but now, what is happening, year after year, remember me something…
What is happening is that the Islanders are one of the few teams in the league relying on players from the 2006 and 2008 draft to get things done. Every draft by Milbury from 2000 to 2005 produced NOTHING of value.
But hey, Feel free to Occupy the Coliseum
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by Mark D on Nov 25, 2011 10:12 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
coughNielsencough
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by Fabtraption on Nov 25, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Nielsen is a nice piece, but you don’t build a team around him
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Yeah I'm just saying
The guy is probably the only leftover from the Milbury draft years who has any value.
I mean, of the dozens and dozens of kids who he drafted from 2000 – 2005, he’s the ONLY one with any value. Jesus Christ, that is so fucking depressing.
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by Fabtraption on Nov 26, 2011 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
Here is some questions...
First, i wish to thank you for writing and reading. I realy appreciated to read you, you seems to know hockey more than some other writer here.
“The Islanders traded 2 former first rounders and a first. Obviously they knew something about the prospects they traded, so it’s not that surprising that neither of them panned out for the Oilers.”
Yes, maybe they knew something about the prospect they traded, but they can not read in the futur. And the 2007 round pick was not yet choose. So they paid 3 First round picks for a rental…
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“I don’t believe the Islanders were ever seriously after Kovy. The Islanders only came up after the Kings refused to negotiate with him because he wasn’t negotiating in good faith. Kovy wanted to sign with the Devils, but wanted his ridiculous contract. The Islanders were the only team that could possibly afford Kovy’s demands and more then likely it was his agent using the Isles as a bargaining chip against the Devils.”
You are probably right. I remembered that his agent was trying to raise the offer. But when something is not working, you try something else and you work hard to sign another star. Two years after, there is no first line or first pair player that we go for and signed…
“Milbury hired Rick Bowness, who had NHL experience, and also hired Laviolette who had no NHL experience. Sometimes you take a chance. But no one was against bringing back Capuano after the 2nd half the Isles had.”
You are also right on this, Milbury hired Bowness, who had NHL experience.
We both know that Milbury is the one of the worst GM in the NHL history…But if we want to see better as GM, we can not use Milbury as an excuse for Snow.
I was surprised and shocked by the Capuano signing, because when he came as new coach with the Isle, Isle did’nt win until february and also contributed to the worst Islanders start in the history. Poulin, Montoya, Haley and Hamonic were, in my opinion, the person who deserved the credit for the winning streak before the end of the season.
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“What is happening is that the Islanders are one of the few teams in the league relying on players from the 2006 and 2008 draft to get things done. Every draft by Milbury from 2000 to 2005 produced NOTHING of value.”
Yes, we have to live with Milbury’s mistakes. On the other side, did’nt take 7 years to Chicago or Pittsburg to rebuild their team and win a Stanley Cup. You will agree that if we want a winning team, we need to compare our team with the best, not the worst.
“But hey, Feel free to Occupy the Coliseum”
To be pro-active is the best way to change something.
The fans and the media have the possibility to change something…
Fans pay for the games, NHL stuffs, TV rights, and deserve better than a loosing team dynasty.
"But when something is not working, you try something else and you work hard to sign another star. Two years after, there is no first line or first pair player that we go for and signed…"
the last 2-3 years GMs have been more shrewd and have locked up the good FA talent before open season, leaving only guys in their mid to late 30s, who generally aren’t first line players. On top of that, these guys want that one last big money contract, so you are looking at declining players wanting more than they are worth. Yeah, lets sign a shitload of those guys. [sarcasm]
Lets give $7M to Wisniewski and make-pretend he is a #1 defenseman!
Or bestow almost $3M to Bergenheim this season and watch him score fewer points than Bailey!
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 25, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
But no one was against bringing back Capuano after the 2nd half the Isles had.
Actualy I was In the Post Dated 4/20/11 http://www.lighthousehockey.com/2011/4/20/2123153/what-five-decisions-does-snow-need-to-make-in-the-off-season
I stated this:
What Should Snow Do Compared To What He Will Do 1. Hire a legit coach to bring some respect to the franchise and maybe lore some FA. What did Snow do, hire our Minor League coach. Yes Cappi did a good job but this could have been a statement saying we are not going to be the Joke of the league anymore.
by mordred0831 on Nov 25, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
But what legit coaches were out there?
The best coach still floating around was Hitchcock, who I wouldn’t want around the youngsters.
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UGH this again!
Hire a legit coach
WHO? Not someone who is kind of like this person or that person, Im asking- who is a “legit coach” in your mind?
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 25, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
I'm still waiting too...
once again, who would you have preferred as coach then?
Still waiting to hear who we should be dumping Snow in favor of too…
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when I went “Awwwweeen baaayyyyybeeeee” (that’s “all In” for those who miss the Scotty Nguyen reference) with AA preflop. Buddy spiked a King on the Turn and I lost to a set of Kings. Would I do it again? Damn right I would.
You can question the result of the 15 year DP contract, but don’t question the decision. Had he not been injured, and had he maintained the track he was on (and, of course, had the hockey gods decided to give us a few other players) we could easily be riding a top 5-10 goalie 35 win per season goalie for 4.5 mill per season for the next 8-10 years. Anyone know what the going rate for a top ten goalie is right now?
Don’t talk ROT (results oriented thinking) please.
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by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Nov 25, 2011 11:58 AM EST reply actions
DP was a good contract ?
Are you kidding ? TO sign a player that is beggining is carreer as goaltender on a long term contract like this, is a very high risk.
Snow didn't initiate it
Please stop thinking he did.
by sayvillelax94 on Nov 25, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
As all GM in the NHL he has the responsability for signing players.
The GM position is still responsable for signing players in the NHL.
You are wrong
when you say “ALL” GMs.
GMs normally have that responsibility.
It is a profoundly incorrect assumption on your part that Snow stepped into a “normal” situation- he didnt.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 25, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Can you explain why you are always defending Snow when is always loosing with our team ?
You don’t think that we deserved to be between 25 and 30 positions in the NHL standing every year. So we sincerely need to change direction.
It isnt "defending him" its FACT.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 25, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
You might not know about “the committee” and all that crap but that doesnt mean it didnt happen. There are plenty of people around here who can back me up and explain to you that IS what happened whether youre aware of it or not.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 25, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Since you're such a "Pro," you run the team
You clearly know better than he does, as evidenced by your critique, so you go ahead and throw 12 year deals worth $68 million at players like Erik Cole because that’s “smart.” That’s “change,” and that’s “helping the team.”
Or, you can be a little more patient, wait until the prospects get older, and then if they’re all busts, then you can be all self-righteous. If you really want to blame someone, blame the players who are supposed to be performing that aren’t.
by sayvillelax94 on Nov 25, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
When this team starts winning, people like this will say that the organization “finally started listening to them”.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 25, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
We you working on this contract ? Cause you seems to know everything about the contract.
And we both know that we can also find a lot of newspapers that will say that the DP’s contract is a crap and that Snow was the GM who signed him.
Maybe you are right with the contract preparation, but on this contract, we will also find the Snow signature what is legaly liable as one instigator of the contract. We are always legaly responsable of what we sign. If i make a contract offer and sign it, i am legaly responsable of that said contract. Snow is pay to have that kind of responsability.
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Ok, we talked a lot about the DP contract but with no proof of why or how the contract was signed and prepared.
Do we will defend Snow until we die ? The main fact is our team are loosing year after year and we need to do something, we need a reel change.
The main fact is that we have now a loosing dynasty...
We need to wake up as a fan !
we should tighten up that “loosing” dynasty.
if you want to say that we have a losing record, fine. there is no such thing as a losing dynasty.
by nullzero00 on Nov 25, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
if you want to say that we have a losing record, fine.
Fine, but not accurate- the team has an all-time NHL 500 record right at this moment (1318-1318-425 in 3,061 games).
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 25, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
i meant that as opposed to “losing dynasty”, which is an oxymoron. you can’t have a dynasty (multiple consecutive championships) AND lose at the same time.
does. not. compute.
by nullzero00 on Nov 25, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh I totally get where you were coming from, null :)
Im just pointing out that, even if it WAS stated correctly, it still would not have been right.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 25, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
My take on Snow...............
Is Snow on a very short leech with Wang? In other words he cam
I criticize him for ;
1. taking over the hill over priced rejects Pondolfo, Ralston, and Reasoner
2. Not picking up a solid Brooks Laich type forward
3. Assembling a small slow, soft D.
4. Not picking up a solid #1 Goalie knowing that DP, Poulin and Montoya were coming off injuries
5. Waiting till now to bring up some toughness.
6. With better players, it is certainly possible that our young forwards Bailey, KO, and yes CB might have developed sooner surrounded by particularly a strong, big mobile D that would have cleared the crease and carried the puck forward instead of having to rely on our forwards.
6. How long does a rebuild take? – the answer is that the team may be in Canada when the tree finally flowers.
You seriously wanted more goalies?
Montoya earned his contract after his play last season.
Nabokov was cheap and still a proven NHL goaltender.
Poulin showed that he could play NHL minutes.
Nilsson is the other promising prospect who has a good future ahead of him.
DiPietro is a guy who sometimes stands between the pipes and occasionally stops pucks.
The last thing you can really complain about this team is the goaltending. Unless it’s about DiPietro. Then you can complain all you want because that guy is fucking terrible.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Nov 26, 2011 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
The three mentioned guys were injured
1. Poulin still not back to his game
2. Montoya was recently hurt and is just back
3. DP well you fill inthe -—————
4. Nilsson is at least a year away
I hear you
but with all of the FA’s who were available, Vokoun was the best available and he signed with the Capitals for pennies. Except for Vokoun, Montoya and Nabokov were the best options for the Isles.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
Holy mackerel, did I miss this party
Let’s say for the sake of argument, that you are Garth Snow. You are general manager of the New York Islanders, which means the following:
1. The franchise has only seen fleeting success since the late 1980’s.
2. You took over in 2006 with a farm system with a maximum of three worthwhile prospects.
3. After trying to piece together a team of veteran free agents in 2007 and coming up way short of successful, you decide to start a full top-to-bottom franchise rebuild in 2008.
2. (the big one) Because of the innumerable failures of previous owners, executives, players and coaches, every single decision you make is magnified by a factor of 30. Practically every plateaued player, every fashion decision, every missed shot on goal bares the weight of a thousand embarrassing losses and is a punchline to every hack writer or bar stool big mouth in the hockey world.
Not all of Garth’s moves are going to be golden. But what GM’s are? How many GMs have the Maple Leafs had since their last Cup? Or the Red Wings before Jim Devellano went there? Maybe he won’t be the guy to lead the Islanders to glory. No one should feel bad for him. He’s got a masters degree and wanted a front office job and now he’s got one.
But given the lack of resources he has to work with, he’s doing the best he can do. Free agents won’t sign unless they have something to prove. The Islanders get no revenue sharing money because they play in New York. The building has been a headache for everyone since the Dynasty years. And the fans and media are impatient and angry wanting wins nownownow because the team has sucked forever.
There was a thread here recently about whether or not people would want to be an NHL general manager. And the overwhelming majority said they wouldn’t. It’s an extremely difficult job. It’s not a fantasy league where you can pick up and drop who you want anytime. We might say, “hm. I wonder what’s wrong with Bailey.” But for Garth, it’s “No Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with Bailey?”
Garth’s been at this rebuild for four years. Most of the guys he’s drafted are still developing. He’s not going anywhere until we see what they can really do and determine if they’re actual players for the future of this club. As for this year’s team, I think Garth did the same thing a lot of us all did: fell in love with these guys 9including the coach) and thought they just a few extra pieces away from the next step. And we were all wrong. I guarantee that Rolston and Pandolfo weren’t brought in to play significant minutes. But they are right now because there’s no choice. Soon enough, the prospects will be up and we’ll see where the real future of the team is headed.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
by PGI on Nov 25, 2011 10:55 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
They've got another year or two
Until the majority of Snow’s 2008 – 2011 picks make it to the NHL. You’ve still got a majority of the Isles’ young talent in juniors (Kabanov, Strome), college (Nelson, Lee), Russia (Petrov), or the minors (DeHaan, Donovan, Poulin, Nilsson). The first 20 games were a wash, but hopefully the team can put forth a solid effort the rest of the season and show some progress.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Nov 26, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
What Fab says
Remember, only the best of the best (or poorly managed) prospects play right away without some time in the minors. We only ever hear about the Crosby, Skinner, Nugent-Hopkins types that, at 19 years old, come roaring out of the gate. The other 99% of players do time on the farm till they’re good n’ ready.
The bad news is that, when you’ve stunk through six presidential administrations, waiting for kids to hopefully turn into good, productive NHL players is nearly torturous. But the only thing we can do is wait.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
by PGI on Nov 27, 2011 1:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yup.
This is why Dom has said this is the most dangerous time in a rebuild… and he is 100% correct. People start making demands, and organizations often go to the extreme to “Bring in the parts needed” and trading away kids before they even know for sure what theyve got.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 27, 2011 2:01 AM EST up reply actions
Yup
and now’s the time when you start cutting the dead weight. As much as I liked the guy, Comeau wasn’t doing it here. Is he going to turn into a productive NHL’er? I assume he would, though I see the same inconsistencies he’s had on the Island plaguing his entire career. Now the hope is that one of the Isles’ prospects comes up and plays better 3rd line minutes than he did. Right now that guy seems to be Ullstrom, and he’s doing alright in my book. He’s not getting the points, but he’s making more noise out there than Comeau did this season.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Nov 27, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
I know this is a fan post
But can we maintain some integrity around here… a simple, “Garth Snow Sucks” would have been fine. The english as a second language stuff is okay, it’s even rather entertaining… but at least reference your sources… and that would include the proctologist that helped you pull some of this crap out of your ass.
I’m ashamed to have responded to this.
LighthouseHockey: We saw this coming!
@JPinVA
by JPinVA on Nov 26, 2011 1:54 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
An obvious polemic slant which takes away from the writing, but i will say comparing Isles 2008 rebuild to Pitts or Chic is problematic for obvious reasons
Isles had one 1st over all, three 5th overalls…Pitts 2 first overalls, 2 second overalls…one generational talent…Chicago also had more top 3 picks than Isles…in Pitts case, you don’t win the cup, there is something wrong, in Chicago’s case, you’d better be good…Isles simply didn’t draft top 3 enough, and, have to be patient waiting on prospects drafted where they take a little longer to develop. Only 3 Snow picks in the rebuild have certified themselves as NHLers, and one is only a 4th liner right now (Bailey), JT and Hamonic being the other two. The prospects are rated by all experts as at the top of the league in terms of value and depth…time will tell how well Snow did with this rebuild, but we won’t really know until those kids reach the age where there are performing in the NHL or became busts.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Nov 26, 2011 4:09 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Brooks in Sunday Post
Is extremely hard on the team,arena, Wang, Snow, and even the fans. Worst remarks about a team since Gretsky’s “Mickey Mouse” statement regarding the Devils and then they went on to win two cups. Unfortunately we don’t have an Owner like they had or a “Lou”, or their coaches, or a Brodeur. I repeat again that even as a fan we do not seem to be on an upward trajectory – the way the Devils were many years ago or for that matter us 30 years ago. Those who argue that we have the players just a few years away, I reluctantly reply that it is beginning to sound like the old Bklyn Dodgers cry – " Wait till next year!" Well unfortunately that hoped for future may be in a different city in a different country. The importance of a competetive team this season for good PR visa a vi thoughts of public and private support of a new arena has apparently been already lost due to our terrible start. I think it is fair to assign blame. I do agree with Brooks who claimed that Snow show cased Nabby rather than going with Montoya in situations when he was healthy.- for puposes of trade or piks. At some point Snow must be held responsible if the losing continues and the rebuild stalls. If you believe that Snow will survive as long as Wang owns the team, – than we are indeed on a downward slippery slope.
Brooks is a Jackass Who Just Likes to Pile On
That moron wasted a whole column doing nothing but re-hashing old shit. He has no idea what the hell he’s talking about. Brooks asks: “Suddenly Blake Comeau can’t play for this team?” Well, yeah, anybody who has watched this team at all this year knows that Comeau actually COULDN’T play for this team because he was doing nothing. But our man Brooksie doesn’t know that because he doesn’t know his ass from his elbow.
Brooks is the laziest, most incompetent columnist going. An embarrassment even to the Post. No sources. No information. Nothing but ill-informed regurgitated crap. Guys like Kevin Dupont in the Boston Globe, Jim Mathieson in Edmonton, Bob MacKenzie, Adrian Dater, even Simmons and Cox, put him to shame. Thank God for the Web so you can read out-of-town newspapers.
As far as Lamoriello goes, he took over the Devils in 1987. They already had a solid, up and coming core in place that included John MacLean, Bruce Driver, Ken Daneyko, Kirk Muller and Pat Verbeek. Those guys were already on the roster when Lamoriello took over. And it STILL took Lamoriello another EIGHT YEARS to build a Cup winner. What did Milbury leave this franchise when the door hit him in the butt on the way out? Other than the Rickety albatross in net?
by rmblifn on Nov 27, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Nah, I'd Take Simmons - At Least He Writes Stuff That Isn't Regurgitated Crap
I don’t agree with him all the time but he’s not slumming like Brooksie, who’s lazy and writes the same warmed over stuff again and again.
oh come on with the prospects do have a bright future
that is not looking through rose colored glasses…it is simple math, the amount of years it takes the average prospect given their draft position etc., to develop, where Isles prospects are since 2008 and now…we all know full well they won’t all pan out, but until the year we get close to that mean average age where most should be producing in NHL, we can’t call the rebuild a fail yet…especially not with every expert rating the Isles prospects so high, and that is without including the fact that the best from 08, 09, and now Nino are already in the NHL…if they all turn out to busts in 3 to 4 years, Snow will have been a failure.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Nov 28, 2011 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
Meh
Story’s here.
Brooks writes this same article twice a year, when he crawls out of his hovel deep inside MSG and decides to take a piss on another NHL team. Wang’s dirty and cheap and his mother dresses him funny blahblahblah.
Nobody’s arguing that the Islanders stink. But if Larry has a plan on how to make them not stink that doesn’t involve acquiring draft picks, I’m sure Garth would be all ears. Brooks’ columns and opinions hold as much water as the Coliseum roof.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
Meant as a reply to altosax's post
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
Acquiring Draft piks.............
Is certainly a good strategy and the only one at this point – we are unfortunately in line to get a very good one again after this season. – but again we may not have the time to make this strategy work and still have the team on the Island [ I include Queens and Bklyn ] as being on the Island. Declining attendance and losing do not encouarage support for a new building. However Snow as I mentioned earlier has made some poor choices in strenghthening the team in the preseason. True the underperformance of the offense could not be anticipated, but the second problem, the smallish, slow and soft D, were obvious to most observers.I hope Montoya stays healthy, but beyond him are question marks. Whether Cappy is a problem I don’t feel that I or most outside observers
know enough to have a strong opinion. Brooks is an A. Hole and hates the team, but that doesn’t mean that some of his comments aren’t valid. I think its fair to say that in many if not the majority of NHL franchises Snow’s job would be in jepordy if we ended 13 to 15 in the East.
It's easy to be
critical without offering a solution.
You say the team had holes on defense. He tried to over pay for Martin. He tried to overpay for Ehrhoff. And guess what, just saying “Bailey and Comeau for Pronger” doesn’t mean it’s ever going to happen. You need to give to get, and frankly, I don’t we have the pieces to move to get the impact player we need.. or at least Snow has the smarts to not fill a hole by making another.
Lots of GMs in the NHL. Nearly half of them won’t field a playoff team every year. Seeing a lot of them buying up free agents? See a lot of blockbuster one-sided trades by those GMs to improve their teams?
I’ll tell ya what tho, I’d like see these Snow detractors stay the negative course when this team finds it’s groove. I may be frustrated and disappointed with the teams performance, but if you think Snow is a bad GM, I’m pretty sure you haven’t been an Islander fan for very long. He’s easily the best one we’ve had in 20 years.
by TA on Nov 27, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Im sorry to have to admit............
I’m such an old fan that I competed in their name giving contest,- my losing entry was the NY Gales. The fact that Snow is the best we have had in 20 years is both true and sad at the same time. The fact that I love this team as most of us do,- is making these recent years very frustrating. Blame or don’t blame whom ever you want but time is running out.
Hey,
at least you saw the good years.
I was 13 when I got introduced to hockey. It was ‘94. Shawn Bates’s penalty shot goal is about the only real classic islanders moment i’ve enjoyed.
Clock is ticking, but I have faith the team will stay local. Brooklyn is like the ultimate failsafe. It’s there. It’s built. They’re interested. Even if everything else falls thru, they have a place to play.. even if the arena deal is so last minute we only spend a season there. Brooklyn = flexibility.
by TA on Nov 27, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
Read somewhere......
That for Basketball they seat 16500 and for hockey its under 15000! If true that would be unacceptable.
It is sad
The Islanders have had only 4 general managers in 40 years.
If we had to rank them, Torrey’s obviously No. 1. Then there’s Maloney, Snow and…that other guy. Jury’s still out on Garth, but based on the other two, he’s got a good shot at No. 2.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
Not sure why the number is sad.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 27, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
The number's not sad
Just the differences and distances between the names.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
So youre saying the discrepancies between them is whats sad.
No argument here.
From Torrey up top to Maloney (who ruined this team when he didnt even have to) and Mike (who ruined this team when he did have to- and made ridiculous decisions on top of that which he didnt have to do) down bottom. Snow is already default @ #2 IMO.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 27, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
I agree. But so far he is not etched in stone at #2 and whoever is the next GM is
probably starting out as #2.5 on any list
MY Point.................
was that it is sad by default that Snow is considered #2 because the others were so bad. The jury is still out on Snow but good intentions alone are not enough and[The Rebuild] must happen pretty soon or he gets an incomplete or worse.
I hear you
The arena situation makes the Islanders on-ice futility and many, many empty seats much more dire. But, as rmblifn pointed out above, the moral of Brooks’ article is “bad team still bad.” Which doesn’t help anyone. If he hadn’t written this same article 20 times since 2000, I’d be less skeptical. Obviously, the team’s start isn’t helping Garth’s case.
And, for what it’s worth, I said this summer and I’ll say it again until I’m proven wrong: no one – not Wang, Mangano, Murray or whoever’s in charge at the time – wants to be the guy/girl who let the Islanders leave Nassau. That would be some pretty bad PR. But they’ll haggle until the 11th hour to make it happen.
Until then, expect more mud thrown our way. Sadly.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
Millbury was 100% times worse. Most of Garth's strategy is based on acquiring young talent.
Milbury traded away young talent and got rid of good coaches. In all sport (except Yankees) signing bad FA’s cripples you for years.
In my opinion the biggest mistake Snow meant was not offering Ted Nolan a longer term contract. If he was going to be forced to develop young talent instead of starting vets, I believe he would have been on board with a little commitment to him. To keep him on a yr to yr when growing pains are part of young development, was wrong. And frankly TN made the right move.
The Wang Effect
I have been reading the posts on LHH for quite some time and this is the first time I am contributing. IMO Snow is at a major disadvantage in that Wang will not allow him to spend money on even the mid-level free agents who become the heart of team while the kids learn.
Snow took over this team which was completely depleated. I am no expert but I believe he has made some great value picks, how those turn out remain to be seen. Snow has also made some pick ups off the waiver wire which have been as good if not better than getting first round talent into the organization immediately.
What Snow still needs to do is turn some of these chips into established pieces to help the young talent on the roster and provide a pipeline for the remaining talent to get an opportunity.
by Best Thing Going on Nov 28, 2011 3:27 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.
The victory justified the faith in coach Al Arbour who guided them from their second season to their first Stanley Cup seven seasons later. The Islanders would not be the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup, but they would be the only one capable of a dynasty.
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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.
Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.
1981-82
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May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.
A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.
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May 17, 1983: Not so fast, whipper-snappers. The Edmonton Oilers' steadily rising challenge for league supremacy took them all the way to the finals for the first time, where the New York Islanders summarily dispatched them in a four-game sweep. For the Islanders, the Dynasty was secured. For the Oilers, it was a powerful lesson in where talent ends and the demands of playoff hockey begin.
Four years, four Cups, 16 consecutive playoff series wins (a record that would grow to 19 until the rematch with the Oilers the following year). Mike Bossy scored 60 goals yet again, and Wayne Gretzky became acquainted with Billy Smith's crease.
