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Plus/Minus - Flyers 4, Islanders 3 (OT): Blown 3-1 lead. Again.

Nyet.

Much better effort against an injury depleted team (Jaromir Jagr rejoined the injury list in the second period), but the New York Islanders suffered a familiar fate: After staking a 3-1 first-period lead, the offense stalled and the lead steadily fizzled away.

Though Rick DiPietro looked bad on the first two goals, he made 29 saves, several of them quite good honestly, and the tying goal with under six minutes left was simply cruel: A Coliseum bounce off the end boards that hopped into the crease, and DiPietro's reaction played it right into the hands of Daniel Briere.

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Oh, but then there was more: Naturally, after being gifted an OT powerplay on a soft call on Scott Hartnell, the Islanders powerplay was completely uninspired, and Briere scored on a great 2-on-2 rush and shot as soon as Hartnell got out of the box. Credit also to Sergei Bobrovsky, who relieved Ilya Bryzgalov at 3-1 and made all the saves that Bryzgalov and DiPietro could not. (The Flyers, like many teams I'm afraid, appear to target DP high when he goes down early, and throw it at his feet when he stays up.)

Kyle Okposo was one of the pluses, exiting the Zero Goal Club with two goals including a critical early one-timer that tied the game -- just 19 seconds after Andrej Meszaros grabbed a 1-0 lead a mere18 seconds in. There were other pluses, and there were plenty minuses, but that's what this thread is for after you've gotten your less intelligible steam out in the game thread. Have at it.

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I'm pathetically relieved they made it to OT

That’s what it’s come to.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Nov 23, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Is that a plus or minus?

I watched the game at my cousin’s house, where he has a huge Siberian husky who’s just a bit overzealous. Therefore, i only saw about half the game (the other half of the time was either a wall of fur or loads of fangs). But from the part i could see, i sure am hoping Montoya comes back soon.

Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Nov 23, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

They played well tonight

Unlucky bounces and so goes the game. If they play like this every game, I wouldn’t be as annoyed with the team as I’ve been recently. Great Effort tonight, not the result I would hope for, but was a total step up from last two games.

You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.

by mikefromVA on Nov 23, 2011 9:56 PM EST reply actions  

How many more chances should DP get?

And the answer is none. None more chances.

Don't make me bring out the Silky.

by afrosupreme on Nov 23, 2011 10:02 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

And the theme goes full circle!

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Nov 23, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Already got 2 to many

Now he is hired by wand so there are probably no end.

by JanMath on Nov 24, 2011 1:37 AM EST up reply actions  

oh boy

+ KO
+ Grabs
-Coli bounces
-The hockey gods

screw homework, its all about islanders hockey

by DarthDoyle on Nov 23, 2011 10:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Ok is it just me?

But every one of these interviews with KO, Cap and Ricky seem odd.
They are all talking like they were happy with the game.
If you didnt know and were watching these interviews you might have thought they won.
Wierd shit. Not sure what to make of it.

by The Danish Backhand of Judgement on Nov 23, 2011 10:04 PM EST reply actions  

I suppose to them, after 11-0 even 3-3 + OT feels good?

But … did Rick really sound happy too? Cause…you know.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Nov 23, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

Rick looked devastated, for what that is worth (which, to me, is nothing). Fischer asked Okposo specifically about his own performance, and KO answered with obvious chagrin, IMO.

Success was survival and, kid, it still is

by IslesFanInNJ on Nov 23, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

DP has no reason to be happy

Except that none of his hundreds of rebounds ended in the goal. Only 3 other even more weak goals did.

by JanMath on Nov 24, 2011 1:40 AM EST up reply actions  

You think KO looked happy?

He looked extremely unhappy to me.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Nov 23, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup, seriously- it almost pained me to look at him in that postgame interview- he couldnt even be happy about his own great game. :(

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

they played good enough to win tonight

this really came down to dipietro losing it. it was obvious

by ripcurl2121 on Nov 23, 2011 10:27 PM EST reply actions  

IF THEY

had played good enough to win they would have won. End of story.

This is NOT a rebuilding year!!!

by upstateislesfan on Nov 23, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Difficult to win 7 agains 5 most of the time

Did DP not play for the flyers?
He gave up so many rebound passes one could easily think that.

by JanMath on Nov 24, 2011 1:42 AM EST up reply actions  

DP and his game

The guy amazes me every single game. How come he can make these amazing saves on split second rebound shots but he can’t seem to keep his eye on the ball when it comes right down the pike? What is this guys story? Seriously, always every day. Again trying to clear the puck right through the slot. He made some good saves tonight but he was reason they lost. Again letting the first shot of the game through from directly in front of his face. I officially hate him now. He is a dick

by Strong Island Thuggery on Nov 23, 2011 10:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions   2 recs

While I might stop short of "hate"...

I’m equally perplexed. Earlier in his career, i thought he’d be considered a great goalie if only he’d cut down on the stupid dangerous passes that often were intercepted for easy goals. While he is still adventurous at times this season, those wanderings and dangerous passes haven’t been biting him in the ass as often as before. But now he’s letting in goals that no NHL goalie should ever let by, but then he makes those great saves as well.

It’s almost like he plays well when he has to guess where the puck is, but when he actually sees the puck, he gets a brain fart.

Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Nov 23, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I think everyone has to let go of his previous incarnation.

Rick is a tandem/backup goalie IMO- at times a good one, and at times not (like tonight) and thats how its gonna stay until the time comes when he would prove otherwise. I dont see it as likely, though.

If Montoya is not ready, I hope Poulin is called up and given the start against the Devs.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Nov 23, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, i think we're on the same page.

I was only pointing out that it’s been frustrating to watch him, even though the reasons for the frustration has changed.

Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Nov 23, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we are, too. And I know what you mean.

I think with some other Isles fans, they are enraged at him for not being what he was years ago. Hell- I think he is mad at himself for the same reason.
But the team isnt relying on him or depending on him the way they were years ago, either. And he (smartly) is accepting that with good grace. The way he is being used has changed in the last year- and people really need to acknowledge that and adjust their expectations and criticisms accordingly. With the comments some fans make (other places are WAAAAAAYYYYY wose than LHH!) youd think that the Isles were starting him every night instead of using him less than they have used any other goalie.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Nov 23, 2011 11:51 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah - Butchie said he was screened on that 1st goal but was he? Maybe he was. That was a rocket of a shot and

right inside the post but still – I have a feeling most NHL goalies would have stopped it. But to be totally honest I’m not completely sure about that. The Briere winner was a hard wrist shot – no way he could have reacted to it but maybe he should have come out farther. Again I just don’t know for sure but when its all said and done Ricky’s save% is bad. 2 fluky goals though – just terrible bounces against us.

by TMS on Nov 24, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

You can make an argument on any single one of the goals — it was a good shot from Meszaros, and Briere was given too much space to simply unleash his wrister in the high slot, but in the aggregate the result is the same: He stops fewer pucks than most NHL goalies, and (though not tonight, I thought) he makes it worse when he overhandles the puck.

It’s funny, I don’t think he’ll ever shake his desire to play every puck possible, but tonight I was pleasantly surprised to see him stopping and leaving the puck for his D-men. That’s how low my standard for pleasantry with him has become.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Nov 24, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

The last goal was bad too.

He acted like he didn’t even see it. He was positioned center left (looked to me, which isn’t the best positioning given BRiere had circled around) and the puck went high right.

by NewIsles on Nov 24, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

True, but that's also exactly what a good forward wants you to do

Briere took the puck from DiPietro’s right streaking right-to-left, which gets the goalie to move to the left, and then shooting “against the grain” makes it more likely you’ll catch him moving the right way.

Not saying he shouldn’t have had it more than 50% of the time, but it’s a goal you will see many NHL goaltenders give up on Briere.

And I’m not defending DiPietro here: By the aggregate, he still sucks. But because most of us think he sucks we tend to pick apart every individual goal as if Toyota would’ve stopped them, when really the difference between .915 and .895 is that the better goalie stops more of those more often.

(It works the same way with the good saves DP made last night. Frankly, a beer league goalie could make some of those saves, but by the end of the night he’ll have been lit up like a 51-year-old.)

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Nov 24, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

He's not an NHL goalie

Not an NHL tandem goalie, not an NHL backup goalie, not an NHL goalie in any sense. I think we’ve all seen enough.

Aside from letting in 4 awful goals, there were moments during the game when I wanted to laugh at his goal “tending” but couldn’t because it’s just so sad. He had a beautiful Mottau snow angel of desperation…pretty sure I saw Mottau holding up a ‘10’ card from the bench.

Honestly not sure if I’m going to watch anymore games that he’s starting.

by Dorfer on Nov 24, 2011 8:41 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I'm not afraid to admit, anymore, that DP SUCKS!

GAA: 3.44
SV%: .885

Is that good enough for you???He is AHL caliber….I cant believe the whole team and the fans have to suffer with this bullshit….If we had a stable NHL goaltender this team would have won a few more games this year especially the last one…

by KO21 on Nov 24, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

And therein lies the problem
But now he’s letting in goals that no NHL goalie should ever let by, but then he makes those great saves as well.

The Islanders cannot win if Rick’s gonna let in those goals. They don’t have the defense or a consistent enough offense to compensate. Letting in a goal 18 seconds into the game is disheartening. Letting one in with 6 minutes to go is disastrous. I’ve always felt Rick’s biggest issue (besides injuries) is focus. When he’s in a scrum or the skaters are flying, he’s in the zone and focused on the puck. When the puck is dumped in off the boards, or a guy breaks in with one defenseman on him or, god forbid, off a routine face-off right in front of his own crease, I think his mind wanders and he’s not ready. That’s how (I think) other teams seem to the “breaks” or “fluky” goals the Islanders don’t.

I won’t hold my breath that this situation is going to change anytime soon.

"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science

by PGI on Nov 24, 2011 1:16 AM EST up reply actions  

And this is what freaks me out

because those are basic fucking moments in hockey.

Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.

by Fabtraption on Nov 24, 2011 2:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Tonight we saw it yet again- he makes saves that are significantly more difficult, and then lets the simplest goals pass him.
Its infuriating, but there is no point in ‘hating’ him- its not like he is the Isles starter.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Nov 23, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed to a certain extent, but the problem is.....where the Islanders (and their fans) are hoping that.....

…..their goalie always gives them a chance to win, Rick always gives them a chance to LOSE – there just isn’t any kinder way to put it…..he’s now approaching a 1 win-out-of 5 LOSS ratio, and I’m inclined to make a baseball/Red Sox analogy here but not sure which pitcher DiPietro would correspond with; only know that he’s likely to be shipped out or his MLB career ended (unless you’re John Lackey, who just needs to be exiled to Devil’s Island) – that simply CANNOT be allowed on a professional sports team which harbors any hopes of making the postseason:(

In memoriam: Virginia Ariel Cayon 1927-2011 R.I.P. Mom

by ogam5 on Nov 24, 2011 5:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly....When ever he is in net I get the feeling that he will blow it....

If the fans feel that way then I bet the players get that feeling as well…The reason we feel this way is because it happens all the friggen time…I just knew DP would ruin the good feelings with one of his brain farts and he did…I said it in the game thread and people thought I was jinxing him…I was hoping that by announcing it would do the opposite…I guess it didnt help…

by KO21 on Nov 24, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

What is he???

he plays allot more often than a back up….I guess he’s a part timer?lol THIS SUCKS

by KO21 on Nov 24, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

No he really doesnt.

Unless youre counting when the other two guys were injured, and how does that add up?

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

2 lucky goals by the Flyers.

One lucky bounce off the boards right to Hartnell and a lucky shot to put it right over DiPietro’s shoulder and that crazy lucky bounce off the glass and then a lucky bounce off DiPietro’s glove right to Briere. Just ridiculous. The hockey gods must hate the Islanders and their fans with a passion.

by TMS on Nov 23, 2011 10:40 PM EST reply actions  

God has nothing to do with it....

We all know what the problem is…It comes down to Wang giving the keys to the city to you know who…If Wang would take those keys away then I would consider this team seriously…Until then this team is the laughing stock of the NHL…No NHL team puts 1 player ahead of the team and winning, except the Wanglanders…

by KO21 on Nov 24, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Helmets

Minus – Blue helmets with Black Jersey

by dksec303 on Nov 23, 2011 10:43 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

but I might’ve mis-clicked and flagged? oops

by BaltimoreIslander on Nov 23, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

No, there's a problem with the site.

If you refresh the page, you’ll see the Rec. besides, if you’ve ever flagged a comment before as i unfortunately had to once, you’d know a window would pop up asking you to descibe the problem, or to cancel the flag.

Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Nov 23, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

iPad keyboard fail.

That’s not one long sentence. Capitalize the word “besides”. Sorry about that.

Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Nov 23, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

I guess theres nothing wrong with having very high expectations for ones ipad. :)

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

For 930 bucks, you’d think the thing could handle that as well as Microsoft Word. That’s right, I said it! Apple just got served!

What’s that? They’re not shaking in their boots? Oh. Nevermind.

Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Nov 24, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL!

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice to see them live.... but...

+ Okposo
+ Grabner
+ Seeing Tavares live (damn he’s good)
- DP, 2 should’ve had goals, 2 he could’ve done better on.. he made nice saves, but 4 goals and you’re a minus
- Mottau, made plays but still just doesn’t make enough and gets beat
- the “new” NHL and its’ games that last 3 periods instead of 2… oh wait, they were always like that?
- The entire 3rd period… Where did we go?

by BaltimoreIslander on Nov 23, 2011 10:45 PM EST reply actions  

Sound Tigers
TheSoundTigers Sound Tigers
Goaltender Anders Nilsson has been returned to the Sound Tigers. #BST
57 seconds ago

NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
Website:Lighthouse HockeyTwitter: @KeithLHHockey

by Keith Quinn on Nov 23, 2011 10:52 PM EST reply actions  

Hopefully that is a good sign that Montoya is returning.

Can one be an atheist toward a hockey team? That means I have NO faith anymore.

by Turgeon1992 on Nov 23, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

November 23: Anders Nilsson was returned on loan to Bridgeport (AHL). Al Montoya was removed from injured reserve.

NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
Website:Lighthouse HockeyTwitter: @KeithLHHockey

by Keith Quinn on Nov 23, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Wow.

Talk about memories…

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Nov 24, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously

I ended up watching a few after grabbing that screenshot. This one was pretty awesome.

Don't make me bring out the Silky.

by afrosupreme on Nov 24, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Mesmerizing

Ha, I remember when Toyotas and Hondas sucked.

Then Toyota got traded and he’s a reliable vehicle.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Nov 24, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I hope Montoya haz what it takes to be the full time #1

We really can’t be sure he has what it takes to make the long haul to the end of the season. I hope he does but with the way things go for this team… For some reason I think Cappy feels the same way we do with DP

by Strong Island Thuggery on Nov 23, 2011 10:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Montoya has one thing that DP doesn't that will make him a better bet as a #1...

No ego. DP is too cocky and sees himself as greater than he really is. You can’t be cocky without the skills to make it as the Isles goalie.

Can one be an atheist toward a hockey team? That means I have NO faith anymore.

by Turgeon1992 on Nov 23, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

AGREED

And Montoya is a MUCH better positional goalie than DP.

This is NOT a rebuilding year!!!

by upstateislesfan on Nov 23, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

There is no “ego” with DiPietro. None of his problems have anything whatsoever at all to do with anything even resembling an ego. I think people have to let go of a half a decade ago, because the guy has dealt with being the Isles 3rd string by being nothing but good natured, humble, and cooperative about it.

Once again, I recommend that people re-evaluate their own statements- what might have been true a half a decade ago is not true through all eternity.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Nov 23, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

i dont know how to describe, but i think theres something arrogant about him (still)

when you charge up the ice and challenge another goalie to a fight, who then breaks your face, and forces your team to scramble to find another goalie…

is arrogance or stupidity, especially when your team had committed to sign you long term and you’re supposed to be trying to keep off the IR. its certainly not humility or cooperation i see in him. btw did you see that play tonight when he thought about playing the puck from his knees? a smaht goalie wouldnt even try that, esp. if that goalie isnt exactly a consistently good puck handler.

everybody "wong" chung tonight

by potvins_cups on Nov 23, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, i’m not so sure he was asking for that fight. He simply obliged and judging by the amused look on his face, it seemed he thought it’d be a typical goalie clutch-and-grab fest. Oops.

I don’t know if arrogant is the word, but i know what you’re saying and i saw that with him up until and including last year. He does appear to be different this year, being clearly relieved when he gets a win, and not nearly as combative with the press when they lose.

But it’s a long season. Let’s see what happens.

Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Nov 23, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

He does appear to be different this year, being clearly relieved when he gets a win, and not nearly as combative with the press when they lose.

I agree, he is really different this year. Im sure that Snow made him aware of ‘the change’ in the offseason because he is in a totally different role now and everythings different. The only thing that has stayed the same are the fans who are not paying attention and are thinking of interviews from like 2004 and thinking they were last week.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Nov 23, 2011 11:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

As far as others are concerned...

Well, I guess what really bothers them is the long contract. If it wasn’t bad enough that the rest of the hockey worl mocks us for it, there’s also the possibility that, a few years from now, the Isles might actually need that cap space that his contract is currently eating up. I think they fear that, three years from now, Rick will resemble the Hunchback of Notre Dame with all his injuries, and yet he can insist on staying with the team. And i think we can all admit that if we had to choose between Quasipietro and the final piece of the puzzle, we’d likely be begging him to retire. After all, looking in a vaccuum, if he’s not being relied on now, the money the Isles are paying him is already not being justified, so imagine what the perceived value will be a few years from now.

Theses people who think this way… They don’t say it in as many words. But i think this is their underlying fear. I try to let their comments slide. For right now, it doesn’t matter because we don’t need the cap space.

Or doesn’t it? The Isles are running out of time to somehow get the local politicians to get off their butts and find a way to keep the team here. Winning now would sure help. If we accept that train of thought for a moment, then (in addition to doing other things) the team is going to have to rely on goaltending that’s good right now. If every point counts, especially with the start we’ve had, can you afford to use him much more at all, if he can’t cut down on those goals that make you scratch your head? :-s

Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Nov 24, 2011 1:34 AM EST up reply actions  

there’s also the possibility that, a few years from now, the Isles might actually need that cap space that his contract is currently eating up. I think they fear that, three years from now, Rick will resemble the Hunchback of Notre Dame with all his injuries, and yet he can insist on staying with the team. And i think we can all admit that if we had to choose between Quasipietro and the final piece of the puzzle, we’d likely be begging him to retire.

I get what youre saying, but the thing is that the Isles can never be in that situation. DiPietro cannot insist on anything like that- because he does not have a NMC. Even if things ever did get to that point, they would not need him to retire- once he is waived, his caphit is zero.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2011 2:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah good point.

Yes, they can bury him in the minors, but they still have to pay his salary, right? While it’s a better situation than i originally mused, i still don’t know if they’d be willing to spend to the cap plus pay another $4.5 million to him. Even with a new Coliseum and a billionaire owner, I don’t know if Wang would be willing to do that. But there’s hope, I guess.

Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Nov 24, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

If we ever get to the point where

DP’s cap hit is a problem in relation ot the Cap Ceiing as opposed to a blessing against the Cap Floor, then I doubt there will be a problem with putting him in the AHL to avoid the hit. The reason is that if this ever happens, it will be because the team is ready to compete for a Cup.

STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!

by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Nov 24, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Guy has heart

He charged up ice when things were going this way last year. There was a half of a brawl going on and yea, the guy loves his team. His goalie and decision making skills might be lacking but you can’t fault the guy for TRYING to show up. He may suck, but at least he sucks with heart. Can’t knock a guy for trying to be a part of what was going on

by Strong Island Thuggery on Nov 24, 2011 12:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

he charged up the ice when he just came off IR

play well and do your job. leave the fighting to haley (a fragile goalie who gets dropped in one punch is no way to fire up a team). the best way DP could have given this team energy was to make big saves, not suck with heart, any chump can do that

everybody "wong" chung tonight

by potvins_cups on Nov 24, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

WHAT?!?!?

Is this all Isles fans expect?That they try hard?How sad…Isles fans are reduced to being content w guys that try hard even if they suck…

by KO21 on Nov 24, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Rick does have an ego, but I like that in a goalie!

Smitty, Dryden, Roy, Brodeur all had/have egos. Nothing wrong with a little swagger. But ya gotta back it up more often that not.

What the fuck happened to the Isles I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh?

by FireGarthSnow on Nov 23, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed, this piece from Botta really got to me:
DiPietro feigned confusion when asked about the competition among three goalies heading into camp next year. "Who are we talking about?" Didn’t seem to appreciate any line of questioning that dealt with him fighting for his place on the depth chart next season.

http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2011/04/rick-be-humbledipietro-on-competition-who-are-we-talking-about/

everybody "wong" chung tonight

by potvins_cups on Nov 23, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Holy shit. This stupid Botta shit again.

Have you watched that interview?
I cant believe how many times this has been brought up.

There were half a dozen other goalies they could have been asking about. He asked which goalie they were referring to, and thats all. He then proceeded to talk about them once he know who the fuck he was being asked about. Watch the interview.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Nov 23, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Botta isnt the only one to notice this guy has an unwarranted ego

you may disagree with this “botta shit” because hes reading into something that may or may not have been there but many people think he has an arrogance about him (or at least had) and is still being reckless and sloppy.

on the other hand, i dont see anything that shows hes changed. actually his performance and stats are identical to last year. i dont really know how you are supposed to measure this guys humility…although he still thinks hes good enough to take chances with the puck when he isnt.

everybody "wong" chung tonight

by potvins_cups on Nov 24, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I m simply recommending that you watch him and his behavior with new eyes.

Throw away what he said or did in the past and just look at what he is saying and doing now. Otherwise, you will never notice any change that takes place because your opinion will already be cast in stone.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

good point, ill try

its just that “pass” to nathan horton was the tippping point. i just thought: “who does he think he is? when will he learn?” but, youre right, ill look for a new attitude, esp. tv interviews, which i agree are more telling than transcripts and analysis from print media

everybody "wong" chung tonight

by potvins_cups on Nov 24, 2011 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Dont get me wrong, that pass sucked lol.

But yeah… Im happy (and, honestly, maybe even a tiny bit surprised) at how he has taken what has been a definite demotion on the ol priority list as well as and unfair treatment (like booing him on opening night when he wasnt even starting) with humble good grace.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2011 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

gotta feel bad for him sometimes

not sure ive seen him speaking about the booing and such recently, but being humble is the only way to go in his situation

everybody "wong" chung tonight

by potvins_cups on Nov 24, 2011 12:48 AM EST up reply actions  

totally agree.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2011 1:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldnt be so concerend about what people think about his personality....

I am concerned about his performance and the islanders team as a whole..

by KO21 on Nov 24, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Come on!

How come everyone and their mother knew exactly who Strange was talking about but Ricky? Seriously! The competition was Monty and Poulin….I knew it, you knew it, all the fans knew it, Strange knew it, and most of all, DP knew exactly his competition is…. Why do people keep apologizing for this guy?

by KO21 on Nov 24, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Dude, it's not apology

As much as people may be ‘apologizing’ for Ricky, you have your ind made up and are completely hating him. Good for you. Have you actually watched the interview, or did you just read it somewhere and jump on the hate Ricky bandwagon?!?

Seriously, you hate Ricky. We get it. Enough

by billymac23 on Nov 24, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

An ego is fine if you

Can one be an atheist toward a hockey team? That means I have NO faith anymore.

by Turgeon1992 on Nov 24, 2011 1:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

An ego is fine if you are Patrick Roy. Not if you are dp.

Can one be an atheist toward a hockey team? That means I have NO faith anymore.

by Turgeon1992 on Nov 24, 2011 1:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Well- I think having some kind of an ego is necessary to be successful in sports.

If youre talking about an inflated ego (which Im quite sure you are) its not there. A guy with an inflated ego simply does not behave the way Ricks been behaving.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2011 2:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Except that Rick has been behaving with an inflated ego. In the small time he has been here, montoya has not had an ego. Yes, he might be confident in his abilities but ego is different. Ricks ego is almost Patrick Roy in size but without the record to back it up.

Can one be an atheist toward a hockey team? That means I have NO faith anymore.

by Turgeon1992 on Nov 24, 2011 3:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I 100% disagree with you, and we have already been talking about why here in this very thread.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2011 3:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Lovely. I defended Rick for a while but I don’t believe in him anymore.

Can one be an atheist toward a hockey team? That means I have NO faith anymore.

by Turgeon1992 on Nov 24, 2011 4:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I never understood the reason for his big ego reputation ..

But after the interview w Strange where he acted like he didn’t know who his competition was for the #1 goalie position it showed his true colors…Isnt it arrogant of him to continue to take risks for the whole team with his stupid plays he makes???Its arrogant of him to keep trying to do those stupid things with the puck even tho there is a dman sitting next to him but instead he decides to shoot the puck up the ice by himself…Its like he doesnt car about what he SHOULD do…He will do what ever the fuck he wants….That’s arrogance, to me…

MC, we all know you like DP and want him to be great and so I did I…But I have had it with this guy…I appreciate that he worked so hard from injuries to get back but he is not what he used to be and chances are he never will be…The difference is night & day from what he used to be…That contract is a detriment to the team….It makes me sick to think that they will keep putting a sub-par goalie in there…..Its not fair to the guys like Tavares who decided to sign with us and help the Isles get back to respectability..

by KO21 on Nov 24, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I Don't Care About His Ego, His Personality, His Diet, His Choice in Clothing, Etc.

All I care about is that he’s a lousy goaltender with a sub-.900 SV percentage who’s losing games.

by rmblifn on Nov 24, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

THANK YOU! WGAS about what fans think of his personality???

Im concerned about him being on the team and ruining the whole teams chances…

by KO21 on Nov 24, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow, did you read what you just wrote?

Do you think he thinks he’s taking risks? He thinks he can do it, that’s why he does it!! Unreal. He doesn’t just play the puck and go, “I really hope this will work!” He is trying to make a play, just like the other 5 guys on the ice with him. He makes a bad pass, it hurts a lot usually, but it is no different from any other player.

When JT makes a bad pass, is it arrogance, or just an honest mistake? Think about it, it’s the same with Ricky.

by billymac23 on Nov 24, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Another instance was his interview after giving up that sweet pass to Horton.

He admitted he should have made it smarter, but never said, “oh passing up the middle is just a bad idea.” Ugh.

Can one be an atheist toward a hockey team? That means I have NO faith anymore.

by Turgeon1992 on Nov 24, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

DP's attitude is way overblown.

Any athlete has some cockiness, and he’s always been more than well-intentioned and has worked hard.

by NewIsles on Nov 24, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Good to have Monty back.

Now the problem is they are right at
 the Cap Floor. If they had a little room they could send DP down to the AHL where he belongs. Now that would be a shake up.

by Smoothcatdaddy on Nov 24, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Tough bounces

I have sympathy for the stupid bounces and the insane over the shoulder shot but, that is why he needs to make the in front of his face clear as day shots from the slot. Because its those he gives up that wind up costing the team games and it’s the reason people hate him. Yea maybe he plays with passion but it doesnt earn him a pass on the stupid moves he makes and the soft ass goals he lets in.

by Strong Island Thuggery on Nov 23, 2011 10:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Agree with that

Not much of a break before OT. And 2nd PP had a nice goal already.

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 23, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

+1 - I Was Thinking Exactly Same Thing on OT PP Personnel

At that point in the game, you MUST play the hot hands for the night.

by rmblifn on Nov 23, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

- Cappy because he shouldn’t have put Tavares’ line out for the OT power play after Johnny had played close to 30 minutes already. FNGo line was flying tonight. Put out Frans, Grabs, OK, and Streit and we probably win the game. If not — put out Tavares line for 2nd half of power play. In MHO.

You make a good point here.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2011 12:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with the FnGO line being very hot last night and should have played, but who was out there the line before?

I think Okposo(if I remember) was just out there, so they’d be missing him if they did that.

And JT played 23:30 last game with OT, not close to 30mins. Point taken though.

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Nov 24, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

+ Bryzgalov - Bobrovski

Oh yea and just to piss all of you off (especially TMC)

+ Haley!!! Hahaha

by Strong Island Thuggery on Nov 23, 2011 11:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Haley looked very good.

Should have drawn a penalty too. He looked better at forechecking than I remember from Pandolfo’s best games for the Isles.

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 23, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Why on earth are you dreaming that would that piss me off?

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 23, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I liked haley tonight

But it kinda seems like you and a few others have been knocking him the past few days. Same with no Konopka and stuff. Just joking around with ya. Sorry

by Strong Island Thuggery on Nov 24, 2011 12:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

That is what is called "imagination".

Since when is objectively analyzing what a player will bring to the table “knocking” him?

You will not find a single post of me knocking Haley at all. But, you apparently think you have. Why? I think its the same thing we have been seeing around here a LOT lately: If someone posts what might be considered a relatively extreme opinion- say, that Haley is amazing or whatever and someone disagrees with that extreme, it is assumed that by disagreeing with one extreme opinion that the person must therefore be on the other extreme. So- if I dont think he is amazing, that automatically must mean I think he sucks and dont like him? Why?

I have never knocked Haley. FYI I really like him and Im fine with the kind of player he is. None of my posts have ever said otherwise. And also FYI, I have gotten into many heated discussions around here regarding whether there is a need for toughness and fighting on this team or in the NHL in general. Maybe you think you know what side Ive been on during those kinds of discussions, but based on the “Especially TMC” and “hahaha” comments to me I really, really dont think you do.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2011 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

As far as joking around, joking around is fine… I just want you to see that it didnt seem like joking around from my POV when Im getting ’hahaha’ed because a player I like and root for had a decent game. It just seems kinda weird!

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

this is why it has taken me 8-10 years to participate in the internet

You can’t gauge tone of voice. Not picking on anyone here and I’m not a complete meat head and I know that certain players I like have limited skills. I just think that they added a sense of entertainment value to the tickets. If you could take away the “grit” and fighting and win another cup or two then hey I’m all for it but, I look back on the years and to me it seems like aside from the talent, that’s is what is missing….. the intimidation factor

by Strong Island Thuggery on Nov 24, 2011 1:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

this is why it has taken me 8-10 years to participate in the internet
You can’t gauge tone of voice.

You are absolutely correct, it is tough. When people know each others voices better it gets way easier. Until people get a clue though, it helps to kinda point out when youre joking around- once you do, your post is read the way you intended. :)

Not picking on anyone here and I’m not a complete meat head and I know that certain players I like have limited skills. I just think that they added a sense of entertainment value to the tickets. If you could take away the "grit" and fighting and win another cup or two then hey I’m all for it but, I look back on the years and to me it seems like aside from the talent, that’s is what is missing….. the intimidation factor

Im with you on this- youre talking to someone who wears my Rock the stache shirt to the supermarket. I also had a custom Cairns t-shirt made on NHL.com- and not because Im “madly in love” with him, but because I really love what he brought to this team.
(OK I admit it, Im also madly in love with him.)

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2011 1:48 AM EST up reply actions  

If you want to see "Intimidation Factor"

Go check out the highlights of the beatdown the Bruins put on the Sabres last night.

Bostin haz mad good.

STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!

by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Nov 24, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

what are you laughing at loser?

haley challenged ronaldo and he completely pussied out and was crapping in his pants. being a pussy was a smart move because haley would have kicked the shit out of him

by ripcurl2121 on Nov 23, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Who is a loser?

This board has gone bi-polar.

We need to stand united. Pretty soon we might be the only isles fans left on the planet.

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 23, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

im laughing at you hahaha

I love that they brought Haley up and I love that he is a honey badger. I wasn’t laughing at him. I was laughing at the way some people feel about the way other people blow up the fighters to be the answers to the teams woes. Me included in that other people group. But it’s just me and what I like to see. I actually lost my voice tonight screaming at the flyers calling the the broad street Marys. No beefin goin on here Cheech. Just looking to have some fun

by Strong Island Thuggery on Nov 24, 2011 12:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Honestly

I think we could all use a little fun. Point taken.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I get it -

Haley is definitely fun – he’s a badass. He’s like Bruce Willis in Die Hard, he’s fearless. I imagine he would have been a Navy seal or the Canadian equivalent if he wasn’t a hockey player. I just don’t really believe that it has any magical effect on the team’s play and since he’s not really that good (for the NHL) I don’t really think we’re a better team with him than without him. But if we’re gonna lose I guess its cool to have him running around hitting people and throwing bombs when he fights. The thing is though, I like hockey. I don’t want to get wrapped up in hoping for fights and big hits. I just want to root for the Isles without distraction. They’re gonna turn it around pretty soon I suspect.

by TMS on Nov 24, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

NO MORE

support for DP from me. I am sick of the way he mishandles the puck almost always costing them the game. And why was Hartnell’s shot ‘lucky’? Is it luck when Tavares puts one over the goalies shoulder If DP wouldn’t flop around like a GD penguin all the time, he might actually stop one of those high shots. And I totally disagree with ANYONE happy about tonights game. How can you possibly say they played a good game tonight?? They blew another lead (ad nauseum as far as I’m concerned) and totally stopped playing offense after 1 period. I’m sick to death of hearing how good they played while all the time they keep LOSING!!!!! I have come to the conclusion that you CANNOT have played well if you LOST!!!

This is NOT a rebuilding year!!!

by upstateislesfan on Nov 23, 2011 11:16 PM EST reply actions  

You can't play well and lose?

i don’t even think they played a great 60 minute game, but of course you can play well and still lose. That’s just ridiculous.

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 23, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Even BNOY says it sounds ridiculous.

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 23, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Why the EVEN in there?

Even me? Like I’m last on the list of opinions or something. ;o)

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 23, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed, but i’ll say this much… They seemed to slow down as the game went on. Not perhaps running out of gas, but slower nonetheless. Then again, i couldn’t keep my eyes glued to the screen the entire third, but i doubt that i managed to watch only their worst shifts.

Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Nov 23, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

'We Play Well and Mostly Lose"

Could be the Islanders second motto. For some games, anyway.

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by PGI on Nov 24, 2011 1:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll say this

play well not play well. Doesn’t really matter when you give up crazy goals and the one in the 3rd was crazy.

by neologizer on Nov 23, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the 1st one was crazier.
Butchie said he was screened but IDK- that screen was really far out, he had time to pick up the puck visually.
You think maybe it blended with the black of the uniform?

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions  

NO IT'S NOT

It is just an excuse for losing. If you played well you would win.

This is NOT a rebuilding year!!!

by upstateislesfan on Nov 23, 2011 11:26 PM EST reply actions  

LOL

So you’ve never watched a sporting event where both teams played good?

Bummer for you, why do watch?

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 23, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

BTW

After watching this team for 40 years, especially the last 5 years, I am sick to death of excuses, moral victories, and "we played well enough to win, but…!! Let’s try just winning a damn game for a change!!!

This is NOT a rebuilding year!!!

by upstateislesfan on Nov 23, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude the team is not that good. They aren't as bad as (I'm assuming) you think they are but they aren't that good

so they are going to have losing skids when they don’t get the puck luck. They are going to lose more than they win. I just want to see improvement in the underlying possession numbers and I think I do. Not huge improvement but improvement nonetheless. In 2 years Staios, Mottau, Eaton, Jurcina, Pandolfo, Rolston will all be gone hopefully replaced by younger better players.

by TMS on Nov 24, 2011 12:45 AM EST up reply actions  

. In 2 years Staios, Mottau, Eaton, Jurcina, Pandolfo, Rolston will all be gone hopefully replaced by younger better players.

IMO its gonna take a lot less than 2y for nearly all of those guys to be gone.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2011 12:47 AM EST up reply actions  

well,

stop watching them if you think that may make you feel better.

Just a suggestion.

by DavidSweden on Nov 24, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I've watched

sporting events where one team played well and won. the other team did not play well and that’s why they lost. Why is this so hard to accept and/or understand?? It is just as ridiculous as saying you gave 110% in a game. That is impossible. You notice only the losing team ever says “we played well enough to win, but…”?? The winning team already knows they played well enough to win.

This is NOT a rebuilding year!!!

by upstateislesfan on Nov 23, 2011 11:32 PM EST reply actions  

To think that as a rule it is impossible for both teams to play well in a game is IMO unbelievably simplistic

And there is no line of reasoning that will convince many of us of something we already know is not so.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 23, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

MAYBE

I’m just tired of the same old STUPID cliches used to justify defeats. IMHO, if you play well enough to win, you SHOULD win. But the Islanders have not played well enough to win lately, and so they haven’t.

This is NOT a rebuilding year!!!

by upstateislesfan on Nov 23, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Nobody is justifying that

i even said I don’t think they played a complete game. But I’ve seeen many, many sporting events in my life where both teams played well.

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 23, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

OK

We can have different opinions (mine is totally based in frustration mind you) and still be friends. We are all Islander fans here and that is hard enough to deal with sometimes.

This is NOT a rebuilding year!!!

by upstateislesfan on Nov 23, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Thats more like it.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I AM

basically a simplistic person. Or is that simpleton?? Unbelievably frustrated as well.

This is NOT a rebuilding year!!!

by upstateislesfan on Nov 23, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh boy

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 23, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

???

Im not seeing how this fits in here, even joking around.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 23, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I miss jokes sometimes lol.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 23, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

nothing fits here

We blew another lead. I guess i could bitch about DP, but thats been done to death, so I just decided to make fun of upstateisles opinion that both teams can’t play good in a game.

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 23, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Well at least this game Rick deserves it for letting in some soft goals. He knows, too. Yeah he made some big saves, but damn… you cant make big saves and then let things that Wade Flahrety would have stopped breeze right by you.

I really believe that, if the Isles had played the third the same way they played earlier in the game, things would have been different.

Plus Minus:

+ It was amazing to see Kyle Okposo look like the player we were so psyched about.
+ FnGO was Fn going
+ Yet another good game from Tavares
+ Bailey looked good this game
- DiPi let in two weak ass goals and two stoppable goals… which unfortunately will be remembered a lot more than the number of great saves he made.
+ Coming out flying in the first period- which this team almost NEVER does anymore
- Not playing the entire game at that same level.
- I think PAP getting that penalty for a clean hit and Staios for a clean hip check had a lot to do with the Isles hitting less later in the game… they were afraid of getting jobbed by the refs.

Despite some statements to the contrary, it IS possible to play a good game and still lose- we saw it tonight. A few of them played great, but as a team they played good- just not good enough.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 23, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I THINK THE POINT

I’m trying to make here is that THIS team can no longer expect US to be satisfied with the same old BullShit excuses, like “we played well enough to win, but…”. I think it is fair to say that we all expected a lot better than what we are seeing. And excuses will not be accepted anymore, from the top down to the ice.

This is NOT a rebuilding year!!!

by upstateislesfan on Nov 23, 2011 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually I would say that the way they played most of tonight IS what I was expecting- and even hoping to see.

Playing like that- consistently- and for the full game- will win you more hockey games than you lose.
I was not expecting the Isles to look tons better than they did tonight. Were you?

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 23, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I will say this:

you cannot consisteently blow leads like this and expect me to be satisified with the old we played well BS. I expected them to have many more wins than they have, nad to not continue to blow games like this. And I had hoped the defense and goaltending would be improved, but Streit and Amac have looked awful defensively all season.

This is NOT a rebuilding year!!!

by upstateislesfan on Nov 24, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

But most of their games this season they have NOT looked like they did tonight- if they did, this team would be at or above 500 right now. The effort they put in tonight would have had them beating many of the teams they have lost to so far this season.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I think

we are on the same side now. But I still hope Montoya is ready soon!!

This is NOT a rebuilding year!!!

by upstateislesfan on Nov 24, 2011 12:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Me, too. :)

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Honestly thats how he is already being used.

Its blurry because of there being three of them (now 4) but really, at what time this season has he not been used the same was as a 2nd goalie would be used?

As far as being good goes, he is good now- tonights softies aside, he made some great saves too. But he isnt what he was. The Isles org knows that, though. IMO 2nd part of a tandem is IMO a good use of DiPi. It will allow him to remain in good shape, too. (I know if it was me Id put him in every shootout whether he started or not lol)

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2011 1:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I think his save % is now below .900. That's not good. But yeah you're right they're

already using him that way but with so many goalies and injuries to Montoya and Nabokov its hard to figure out who is getting priority.

by TMS on Nov 24, 2011 1:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah- getting pulled the other night kinda blew his stats. Just a game or two make a big difference when youre looking at such a small sample size.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2011 1:49 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s beyond small sample size for dp. He is making the same mistakes again and again.

Can one be an atheist toward a hockey team? That means I have NO faith anymore.

by Turgeon1992 on Nov 24, 2011 2:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I was surprised at Rick letting them score on him high glove- Rick is dependable high glove, its probably a big part of why he is a pretty good shootout goalie. I dont think tonights goals were “same mistakes” I think he just didnt get the job done tonight- no more, no less.

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by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2011 2:05 AM EST up reply actions  

He was scored on twice high glove. That’s a problem especially if he is supposed to be good high glove. Normally I support Rick but.his play recently has yanked my support.

Can one be an atheist toward a hockey team? That means I have NO faith anymore.

by Turgeon1992 on Nov 24, 2011 3:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

No doubt

Glove used to be a strength. If he doesn’t even have that going for him…

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Nov 24, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Hes been getting scored on high glove all season long...

He goes down way to fast….He is not what he was…He was a good shootout goalie and he used to be good at glove saves…NOT ANYMORE

by KO21 on Nov 24, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

He is horrible...Take the blinders off, MC...

If u dont see it when u watch him then go look at his stats…Also, he plays allot more than a backup goalie…

by KO21 on Nov 24, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

If u dont see it when u watch him then go look at his stats…

If I was going to start naming things I cannot stand, it would be having cliches like this thrown at anyone who does not parrot what someone else believes. I am not wearing “blinders” any more than you are, and you need to just digest that.

Also, he plays allot more than a backup goalie…

So IYO when other organizations goalies are injured the backup doesnt play?

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

nowadays

that man wears a suit on tv and attempts to speak in complete sentences

everybody "wong" chung tonight

by potvins_cups on Nov 23, 2011 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

hahahaha

I love JR. That’s funny no matter which way you look at it

by Strong Island Thuggery on Nov 24, 2011 12:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

OT

If you end in OT you and was up 3-1, without much of a goaltender, you probably is right about playing good enough to win.

by JanMath on Nov 24, 2011 1:52 AM EST up reply actions  

A tie is like kissing your sister [or brother] being PC

A loss is shitty no matter how well you play and just a number to be placed in the wrong column by a statistician.

by altosax on Nov 23, 2011 11:42 PM EST reply actions  

Hey at least now Okposo has as many goals as Kenopka!

What the fuck happened to the Isles I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh?

by FireGarthSnow on Nov 23, 2011 11:43 PM EST reply actions  

hee, hee

What the fuck happened to the Isles I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh?

by FireGarthSnow on Nov 23, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Losing sucks

Blowing leads sucks even more

+ Okposo, Grabner
+ The 1st Period

- NVMC Stanchions. Why does our arena hate us?

Good effort for parts of the night, but too much running around/skating in mud as well. Oddly enough, most of Philly’s goals came off of rushes (and an odd bounce), but I don’t like watching the other team set up in our end

Maybe if Okposo gets going, this team can get on a little run. Anything, really, to get the confidence flowing again

by Dr. Copp on Nov 24, 2011 12:25 AM EST reply actions  

so why

Is it so easy for opposing teams to enter our zone? We forecheck with one guy but dont clog the neutral zone. Seems like our d are always backing up and our backcheckers arent sure where to go. We also fail to clear so many pucks from our zone because our forwards are so often weak on the puck. They get there, but do not have the requisite intensity when they arrive. Not to beat a dying horse, but does this team play any particular system? For his last few games, cap should try a 1-3-1 “trap”. If we could hold a 2 goal lead, we would be a .500 team. Shame of this game (besides 25 losses in last 27 games vs flyers) is that despite tentative play in the 3rd and too many missed chaces (jt, really, gotta put away an occasional breakaway) this was first game so far that we lost because we did not have nhl calibre goaltending. Finding new ways to lose is most disturbing.

by randyboyd on Nov 24, 2011 12:27 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

DP had absolute no rebound control

I think that all three goal the goaltender should have
- – - – DP and all the rebounds
+ That defanse toke, sometime luckily, care of the rebounds.
- – - – DP easy goals.
+ FnGO together and begin working again
- Tavares line not scoring.
+ Okposo
+ The team deserved to win, i my point of view
+ no Rolston, the team simply plays better without him.
Over all a good game by the team and a bad game by DP.

by JanMath on Nov 24, 2011 1:15 AM EST reply actions  

DP had absolute no rebound control

If he had no rebound control that would be one thing- but he did. He was steering a lot of pucks away safely tonight, and I think thats the crazy part. He steered away some tough ones but let in a few he really should have stopped. He did both.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2011 2:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes some of the rebound went out to the side safely

But there was as many went in between, friends and enemies in front of the goal.
so lets following your point
+ DP decided when flyers should have a new scoring chance, my steering a rebound in front of the goal. Or if he so decided to steering out to the side behind the goal.
I it is obviously clear, as pointer out by TheMetalChick, it was DP decision where it went. Why should he not steering the rebound out in front of a flyer stick. Which DP predicted could not hit the puck. He also ensure in some cases, that the puck would jump over the stick, just where the flyer player tries to hit it in for a goal.

by JanMath on Nov 24, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Another thing I noticed about DP

When he has the puck and looks to play it he doesnt look for the safe play, a lot of the he is looking to just throw the puck up the middle. Its frustrating because it doesnt look like hes learned from all the times he just tried to clear it down the middle and it results in a turnover or even a goal. One time tonight he has some time with the puck and MacDonald was sitting right behind the net looking for the puck, but he didnt even look for the safe play. He sat there looking to throw it up the ice until he had to cover it up, which is better than throwing it up the middle, but still he had a chance to give it MacDonald for aneasy breakout.

by nyidangle17 on Nov 24, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Hes been doing this since forever..

He doesnt care about what he should do for the team…He will do what he wants to do…

by KO21 on Nov 24, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

DP

The assessment here on DP’s game is ridiculous. “…he made 29 saves, several of them quite good…” He’s an NHL goal tender- he is supposed to make about 29 saves in a game, several of them quite good! That is just an average game, and does not even deserve a mention.
The real problem is every game for the past year and half, he lets in one, usually 2, bad goals. Goals that absolutely crush his own team. Capuano’s face said it all at the end.
Bad bounces? It’s DP’s home ice- he is supposed to know about the bad bounces at the barn.
If this team is in the “making a career place for Rick” business, they are doing just fine. If they are in the “win hockey games and instill confidence in the kids” business, every game they play him they are throwing away.
And, by the way, he has the worst foot work of any goal tender I have seen recently. He takes himself out of position. He was not like that at the beginning of his career. I think he is a shell of himself physically.

by JackandAce on Nov 24, 2011 7:11 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

Agree 1000%

everything about RDP looks awkward and mechanical. He would not be in the NHL anywhere else except here. Every shot is an adventure. The Isles should play him as little as they can get away with to keep the #1 rested and sharp.

by 7:11_OT on Nov 24, 2011 7:39 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yes

From now on, he should get about as many games as Biron gets for the Rangers, and Montoya the rest.

by JackandAce on Nov 24, 2011 7:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Terribly sorry

I apologize for trying to keep an even keel and not blindly piling into the narrative of choice. If you read any context, you might infer that “several of them quite good honestly” was a note of surprise rather than fawning praise or ignoring the two bad ones he let in.

If DiPietro were performing like an average goaltender, then it would not even deserve a mention; but since for three years he’s performed like an unhealthy and mostly awful NHL goaltender, I thought it did.

There is no rink that you can know well enough that the bounce off the glass is going to go straight to the net and short hop like a Dominican sandlot.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Nov 24, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If DiPietro were performing like an average goaltender, then it would not even deserve a mention; but since for three years he’s performed like an unhealthy and mostly awful NHL goaltender, I thought it did.

IMO even average would get complaints- we are talking about a fanbase where people complain when he asks for clarification during an interview and boo the guys for being a backup.
I agree that he has definitely not been an average starter over the last three- but IMO it might be better to compare him not to starters but to tandem/reserve goalies.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree that he has definitely not been an average starter over the last three- but IMO it might be better to compare him not to starters but to tandem/reserve goalies.

I have a feeling for the past three years, statistically he’d be in the ten worst of all goalies, regardless of their role.

Don't make me bring out the Silky.

by afrosupreme on Nov 24, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

By the way, Dominik

Thanks to YOU for all the work you put in on a blog that is essential reading for Islander fans. Well done- and have a great day.

by JackandAce on Nov 24, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Hey

if you’re going to be a jerk to the Blog Bossy, at least have the courtesy to use the sarcasm font.

Don't make me bring out the Silky.

by afrosupreme on Nov 24, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, cheers, and have a great Thanksgiving

Sorry if I’m jumpy today. (It may not look like it here, but I really do want you all to critique/fact-check/mock what’s written at the top of these posts and, more importantly, teach all of us when there are things we aren’t seeing.)

Thanks, everyone for making this fun. Even on days when the Islanders ruin Thanksgiving. :P

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Nov 24, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Hope you did not misread what I said also

True thanks to you and a great blog. I would be willing to bet when you got up this morning, your family said to you “No blog today- we would like to see you without blood pressure up.” But there you were responding to comments.
You’re a trooper. Hang in there- I will probably piss you off again sometime. Oh well- c’est la vie in the blogoshpere.
Thanks again.

by JackandAce on Nov 24, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

And

It looks to me like Rick doesn’t cheat a little in anticipation, he flat out rolls the dice to compensate for his lack of mobility. The solid #1’s consistently avoid the bad goals, while making a few game changing saves. The avg #1 consistently avoids bad goals. Of course they happen. The goalie that lets in bad goals but makes a few spectacular saves to offset never makes it long term in the NHL. The big difference….the team plays tight in front of him, and it effects everything they do., all about team confidence.

by 7:11_OT on Nov 24, 2011 8:01 AM EST reply actions  

Well, thats two of us

It is indeed all about team confidence.
And back to my “Goalie stole one for us” Dept., well, we are still 0-fer-the-season.

by JackandAce on Nov 24, 2011 8:08 AM EST reply actions  

And back to my "Goalie stole one for us" Dept., well, we are still 0-fer-the-season.

Indeed. We are due.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Refs give Isles little respect

I dont like to blame games on refs nor do i think they lost it for Isles, but the PA hit? a penalty Haley gets an interference call when a guy hits him from behind??? These phantom calls are going to hinder the Isles chances to win when they need as much help as they can. I love how they as DP about his goaltending and one of the 1st thing he remarks about is how he hoped we scored on the PP. Cant stand him more everyday and his soft goals

by vegz on Nov 24, 2011 9:13 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

I've noticed this, too.

It’s easy to say, “just win and the calls will go your way” except that if the calls keep helping to hinder your wins, you will never be able to alleviate them. Catch 22.

Can one be an atheist toward a hockey team? That means I have NO faith anymore.

by Turgeon1992 on Nov 24, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

+Okposo
+Some good passing
+People actually being on the other end of the passes
+Hitting and playing ‘passionately’
-Playing defensively with a two goal lead when apparently we cannot keep it
-The weird bounces always going the other way

The second goal shows why Bailey needs wingers who attack the net. He played that perfectly and left KO a lay-up goal. If that was Comeau he wouldn’t have been where he was needed.

No Sleep 'til....Belmont?

by Anarcurt on Nov 24, 2011 9:23 AM EST reply actions  

finally, some energy and some nice plays but....

-please cut panfolfo and staios yesterday. they were never talented players to begin with and now that they’re old and slow, in a faster game, they are hurting the team big time.
-time to cut bait on dp…he’s not getting it back, wang has the cash, time for a buyout.
-time to trade comeau…for whatev. 4th rounder i’d take right now. he’s hurting the team too much. he’s a loafer and it must be frustrating playing with a guy like that. trade him now and watch his line mates be better.
+ okposo, + hammer, +streit, +montoya’s return (now friggin play the guy!), + haley, + jt, + bailey, + grabner

by DirtyIsle on Nov 24, 2011 9:29 AM EST reply actions  

Good stuff

But do you think DiPietro actually realizes that he’s a terrible goalie the way your friend did? I feel like he’s a bit delusional when it comes to his own talents.

by Dorfer on Nov 24, 2011 9:47 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I think he is coming to grips with it

that is why you’re getting the interviews like you got last night. Last year, that interview would’ve been a bit bubblier (opinion)…more eye contact, a level voice with good volume.

The thing with my friend was that he never BELIEVED he WAS a good goalie. So he didn’t have all of his self-worth wrapped up in that idea. He could come to the realization that he was never very good, was doing us a favor, and had a nice little run where he got lucky for a while and hung out with his buddies.

DP has to go through the process of accepting that he was a pretty good goalie and now his skills have diminished to the point where he is a detriment on a lot of occasions. Imagine what that’s like. Imagine how that is if you apply it to any other job (on a personal level)…a teacher, a doctor, a police officer, an office worker. Imagine what you’d have to say to yourself knowing (as an office worker) that on a daily basis, you may be creating more work for your co-workers or preventing them from achieving raises or bonuses based on productivity.

It’s harder than we acknowledge it being because they are professional athletes. It’s worse because he never fulfilled his potential…it’s even further worse because a lot of it is out of his control at this point.

I’m a teacher, so I have to liken it to continuing to go to in-services and trainings and studying on my own time (after college) while working and continuing to watch my students fail out, get dumber, my school get a horrible reputation, decreased enrollment, others brought it to co-teach with me while I get my shit together etc. Could you imagine?

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by Keith Quinn on Nov 24, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The Isles shouldn't even make it his decision to quit.

Buy him out or send him down…He will not quit on his own…

by KO21 on Nov 24, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

WTF are u talking about???

I made a statement. Dont be antagonizing me

by KO21 on Nov 24, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I think KO's statement was fair. He was kind of agreeing with you. Its too tough for DiPietro to reach that

concusion on his own. It has to be forced on him. But honestly I’m only now reaching that conclusion. The confounding factor has been so many damn injuries that you just didn’t know if he was just rusty or need time to heal and get back in the swing. Now it seems he’s healthy, playing regularly for most of last year and this year and he’s terrible. So I’m 95% convinced he has lost it.

by TMS on Nov 25, 2011 2:17 AM EST up reply actions  

good comparisons, keith.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

War & Peace

By Leo Tolstoy ?

FLYERROB ! YOU STAY AWESOME FLYERS FANS ! ~ ~ ~ Lori Wilson Gray ~ ~ April 07th 1967 - May 27th 2011 ~ May you rest in Peace ~ I love you and miss you big Sis ! Bob Wilson JR. ~ ~ ~ July 03rd 1944 - November 06th 2011 ~ ~ I love you Dad ! GOD PLEASE GIVE ME THE STRENGTH ! Two Close Family Members passing in 6 months ~ Give me strength !

by FLYERROB on Nov 24, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

And I just got married in May 07th ~ good news is that they both were at my Wedding ~ bad news is that they wont be there to see my wife and I have a child.

FLYERROB ! YOU STAY AWESOME FLYERS FANS ! ~ ~ ~ Lori Wilson Gray ~ ~ April 07th 1967 - May 27th 2011 ~ May you rest in Peace ~ I love you and miss you big Sis ! Bob Wilson JR. ~ ~ ~ July 03rd 1944 - November 06th 2011 ~ ~ I love you Dad ! GOD PLEASE GIVE ME THE STRENGTH ! Two Close Family Members passing in 6 months ~ Give me strength !

by FLYERROB on Nov 24, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Hang in there, buddy.

It’s so hard when their story ends before you want it to. Make sure they live on for you and your child through memories and oral history.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Nov 24, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely ! I will be sure to tell my child about Aunt Lori and Pop Pop.

FLYERROB ! YOU STAY AWESOME FLYERS FANS ! ~ ~ ~ Lori Wilson Gray ~ ~ April 07th 1967 - May 27th 2011 ~ May you rest in Peace ~ I love you and miss you big Sis ! Bob Wilson JR. ~ ~ ~ July 03rd 1944 - November 06th 2011 ~ ~ I love you Dad ! GOD PLEASE GIVE ME THE STRENGTH ! Two Close Family Members passing in 6 months ~ Give me strength !

by FLYERROB on Nov 24, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, I think eventually DP has to get ahled to send the fans and him a message to retire or finish his career in the minors.

He just doesn’t seem to have it anymore. He bites early on too many shots, he’s really weak high when he cheats low, and he cheats too early in net. And that’s besides his playing the puck mistakes. And CAPUANO hates DP, by giving Nilsson the start the other night, he sent DP a message and snow a message “I don’t want to start DP if I don’t have to”. I know I was against a 3-goalie trio, and still am, but I think benching DP most of the rest of the season and playing Monty as the starter and Nabokov as the backup could really send him the message he needs because BP isn’t an option. I’m a little perplexed on the issue. He eats a good amount of cap, he’s signed forever, and I don’t see him being sent to BP till we are solidly over the cap, and with how Snow’s been signing/trading, until we actually make the playoffs 1 year. So in other words, I don’t see DP being sent to BP for a good 2-3yrs unless some miracles happen and Wang wants to eat DP’s salary in BP by publicly saying “my mistake, DP sucks and it’s my fault I gave him a lifetime contract”. This is my view now. Thoughts?

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Nov 24, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Certainly a budget issue but at some point they'll have to be the bad guy

I suspect it may be 1) a spending issue (if they AHL him, they’re still paying that dough) and 2) an issue of their loyalty to him giving him the leash to reach that realization on his own.

Each year they diminish their dependence on him a little more, collecting goalies and this time making him one of three goalies and mostly using him as a backup. The arrow seems to be pointing away. As close as he is to the owner, you would think they’ve had some difficult “what if” conversations, but maybe they avoid the topic like Aunt Matilda’s dementia.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Nov 24, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

yup.

As close as he is to the owner, you would think they’ve had some difficult "what if" conversations

I would bet that its already started. I think its a factor in the distinct lack of promotional (or any other) attention placed on DiPietro by the organization this year and the difference we see with Rick this season in interviews.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

He had the worst or 2nd worst save% in the league last year and is right down at the bottom again this year and the

other Isles goalies have much better save%s so it can’t be the team D. What more will it take for Ricky to realize that he has been bad? Surely he must know that right? Save% is right there on NHL.com. Just list all the goalies and look way down at the bottom and see Ricky. There is no way he doesn’t realize how bad he has been.

by TMS on Nov 25, 2011 2:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Very apt story

As much as I hate games like last night’s, you have to figure that the person most acutely aware of his limitations is Rick himself. He might try to make those risky plays like he used to, but he’s got to know that he can’t. But like you said, its not like a teammate or coach is gonna come out and say, “he fuckin’ blew it for us!”

"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science

by PGI on Nov 24, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes you hate to feel angry at the goalie for letting in soft goals especially if he's a guy you like but you can't help it and you

just end up holding it in.

One difference between DiPietro and your friend : DP used to be quite good. So people think that it may be coming back. I’m slow to give up on guys. I remember when Pedro Martinez started losing it for the Mets. I just didn’t figure it out until a whole year later. Same with Piazza. Well you live and learn. I’m 95% sure that DiPietro has lost it. I don’t want to see him in the net anymore. They should place him on waivers (no one will claim him) and send him to BPT (his salary will still count against the salary floor but not the ceiling – I think – not sure about that)

by TMS on Nov 25, 2011 2:13 AM EST up reply actions  

2 goal lead, most dangerous lead in hockey

You wouldn't believe how good the Corsi is for my NHL 12 Be A Pro player.

by ArsenalLI on Nov 24, 2011 9:38 AM EST reply actions  

+ the new unis...beating a dead horse

Talking about the Isles’ play last night is too depressing, and I don’t want to get into DP either.

But I really liked not only the jerseys but the whole uniform combination. I didn’t jump off of a bridge when these were announced, but I was really holding judgment until they had hit the ice. Yeah, the blue helmets seemed to clash, but there was a heavy blue element in the jersey, shorts, and socks, so I see why they gambled with that, but I hope they see now that a black helmet’s needed. The jersey, the orange lettering, the gray shoulders, the chest number, the hip diamond—I really thought it was sharp and worked well. It was a different look, and I think the final product looked good and had some edge. I like the balance of modern and retro styling, and it reminds me of LIPA’s not infrequent blackouts.

I appreciated that the team went outside the box and didn’t return to some fisherman rehash (90’s teal = done), and I thought both the kneejerk hatred for black and the Mets comparisons were completely unjustified. Many Isles fans seem to be 100% against any decision the team makes, and use those occasions to just dump on the team, that it’s hard to take many of those woe-is-me opinions seriously. Some folks complained that the jerseys were “all for marketing,” which is the most ridiculous criticism I’ve ever heard (the entire concept of third jerseys is for marketing! do you mind when new shirt/hat combos come out? would you rather pay higher ticket prices or have merchandise contribute to revenues?). Lots of teams introduce a wholly new color for alternates, and black is by far the safest bet; embracing a new, more vogue color like sand, salmon, light (piss) yellow, or powder blue would have been far worse of a misstep. The Jets, Devils, Mets, Knicks, and Nets all have added black to their design aesthetics in the last 20 years, and all work to some degree. Until the Isles embrace a burnt orange/slate third jersey scheme, I’m very happy with this as a third, and I hope the fans warm to it.

by brother_rat on Nov 24, 2011 9:41 AM EST reply actions  

They were even worse than I feared

Also, marketing revenue is in no way related to ticket prices.

by Dorfer on Nov 24, 2011 9:49 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

*merchandise revenue

by Dorfer on Nov 24, 2011 9:56 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

In a general sense, there’s no direct correlation between the Isles’ ticket prices and merchandising revenue as the Isles are keeping prices fixed and low (in the bottom third of the league, below market in this affluent area) to get people in the doors and to get behind this squad. Fine. But as attendance continues to be abysmally low this year (28th in the league so far), there are only certain methods for a team to increase its revenue and the Islanders have already maximized their lease/concessions/concert revenue opportunities. Merchandise is a prime area to increase their revenues, and also a way to increase brand awareness when fans sports shirts/jerseys/etc. around, and I have no problem with trying to extend the brand with a third jersey if it brings money in the door. I can’t find stats as to how poorly Isles merchandise sells, but I’d be surprised if it’s above the league’s bottom third. And should Wang lose more money on this team, raising ticket prices is always an option to close the gap and what most teams do.

by brother_rat on Nov 24, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I know it's a much needed money grab (or was planned to be, may Bossy have mercy on the souls who buy these)

If prices were below market, attendance wouldn’t continually be abysmally low. Also, I wouldn’t be able to buy my tickets on StubHub for half the price vs. at the box office. StubHub is a much more accurate reflection of market prices.

by Dorfer on Nov 24, 2011 10:28 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I have no problem with 3rd jerseys

I’d prefer they didn’t exist, but I can live with them. However, these new alternates are a joke.

by Dorfer on Nov 24, 2011 10:31 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

on the thirds

I understand that folks aren’t pleased with the design. But what irks me about the jerseys is that I feel they weren’t given much of a chance from the get-go. I remember when the knowledge of a third jersey was leaked—not the black leak—and while a few were excited and creative with potential mocks, most already thought it was a disaster waiting to happen. There are too many non-jersey-related elements that have contributed to so many crapping on them, without being seen on the ice.

Non-Islander fans pour it on because, well, the team’s an easy target. Everything the Isles do must be backwards and horrible, and easily ridiculed (a thought echoed by some Isles fans also).

Islander fans don’t like how it doesn’t hearken back to some Isles history (a nebulous charge you can’t argue against as it has an impossible, misty standard) or that it doesn’t pay homage to the LI area. Not sure how a jersey can be Long Islandy, or frankly why we would have to go that route again after the fisherman debacle—not all of us live on beaches, lighthouses play but a little role in the vast majority of our lives, and yet our modern lifestyle of overbuilt suburbia or commuting to NYC do not lend themselves well to sports jersey portrayal. Maybe a LI silhouette? I don’t know. Some kneekjerk against black for some Mets reason; I’m not a Mets fan and never saw what was so bad about the black jerseys and uniforms besides the jarring white pants they always wore with them. Folks continue to wear the black Mets hats. And the Knicks’ black jerseys looked great and sold well when they were out a few years ago.

I just think that some of the design features are different or creative, and it never got properly assessed. Having gotten our home/away jerseys right, I think that gave the team a bit more leeway to be creative, and there are many more ways that they could have done a more tame third. It’s not my personal take, and not my fave, but I really wonder if any sort of outside-the-box design could be accepted by this fan base at all.

by brother_rat on Nov 24, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Usually, the secondary market does provide a better window onto market prices, I agree, but the prices are most definitely below what the market should be for professional sports for affluent Nassau/Suffolk/NYC. If the Isles were a normal, competitive, .500 team there wouldn’t be $20 dumps of $100 seats. Teams like the Isles (and Mets) have had demand crater so deeply that it distorts things. In many ways, you can’t give away Isles seats, which is not to say that there’s no market for them.

by brother_rat on Nov 24, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Precisely what didn't you like?

Too many uniform criticisms seem grounded on a “I just didn’t like it!” or “it was just bad!” without justification.

by brother_rat on Nov 24, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Just some things here or there

1. The black
2. The grey
3. “ISLANDERS” across the front in random, bland font
4. Uniform # on the front
5. The “diamond” they tried to create from the jersey to the pants. Enough already trying to extend lines from the jerseys to the pants, RBK

If they just changed the things I listed above, they might have something with these

by Dorfer on Nov 24, 2011 10:03 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I have to say, I kind of liked the jerseys.

Maybe I’m at the point where I don’t care what they wear as long as they win. Everything is ugly in a losing streak, while a winning streak will make those jerseys unimportant.

Can one be an atheist toward a hockey team? That means I have NO faith anymore.

by Turgeon1992 on Nov 24, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks, brother_rat

I’m glad someone spoke up in their favor, just because I wanted to hear a coherent take from a supporter. I don’t like going to black (just seems overdone) and I don’t really like these (but it’s hard to conjure a 3rd jersey I do like), so this is exactly the perspective I was hoping someone would put into words.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Nov 24, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks, brother_rat

I’m glad someone spoke up in their favor, just because I wanted to hear a coherent take from a supporter. I don’t like going to black (just seems overdone) and I don’t really like these (but it’s hard to conjure a 3rd jersey I do like), so this is exactly the perspective I was hoping someone would put into words.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Nov 24, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Surprising. I would have done the sarcasm font, but I always forget the code for it.

Can one be an atheist toward a hockey team? That means I have NO faith anymore.

by Turgeon1992 on Nov 24, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I honestly thought he did

As soon as he went to the ice, he looked up in the ref’s direction in a “did you see that?” way, then went back to milking having his head down. And of course he returned quickly.

That dude is such a spineless hockey player. Picks out the not-big Haley out of a pile and turtles. Takes runs, runs goalies and declines Martin’s invitations all last year. Takes one big hit from lightweight Parenteau and THEN he’s ready to fight.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Nov 24, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Who's they? The nhl? Talbot flopping like that was oscar-worthy, he even looked at the refs a glance while he was doing it.

Such a dick. I hope pens fans realize how “on the edge” and “dirty” he plays.

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Nov 24, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Philly.

He’s a Flyer now.

Can one be an atheist toward a hockey team? That means I have NO faith anymore.

by Turgeon1992 on Nov 24, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

I told my roomie when that happened “He’s BS’ing, there’s no way you get hurt from Parenteau checking you”

"Matty Mo thinks it's different. He must be extra high today." BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Moulson's response to Isles black jerseys.
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.

by Mark D on Nov 24, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

They felt Talbot embellished.

And Talbot the turtle will keep embellishing- because it works, and he will not be held accountable for it.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Nov 24, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Ok, people here keep talking about how great Tavares looks, and he does look good, but come on now. He's been the same streaky offensive player this year. He hasn't scored a goal in 8 games.

This team needs more from him. I know he “looks” great, but he needs to start putting up numbers. We’re counting on him. 8 straight goal-less games in unacceptable.

Oh, and if Al Montoya doesn’t play every day now, as the CLEAR #1 goalie, I’m going to lose it!

by Metzfan22 on Nov 24, 2011 10:52 AM EST reply actions  

Hes been almost a point per game producer...

He will start scoring goals if FnGO keep being a 2nd threat…

by KO21 on Nov 24, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I think JT's linemates need to step-up too. The Moulson-PAP chemistry this year has only been a wink long. Not close to what we saw last year.

He had pretty good chemistry with Grabs. Wouldn’t mind Grabs back with him. I just feel Moulson is too slow for him and PAP now, and Moulson and JT work the same “around the net” area, so I think they should be split. Thinking out loud.

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Nov 24, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

This is not just about getting Tavares going.

It is about the whole team.
Tavares and Grabner has just played together, I did not seem much chemistry, so the Grabner and Niederrreiter may not be the best line for Tavares or the other way around..

You can also say that Moulson and Penteau, may not be the best line for him as well.

They are not just names, they are real persons, with real personalities and temperaments. When I look on the Tavares line yesterday, flyers was focus on stopping Tavares. When they succeeded with that, the line did not come up with much of chances.
So I will agree with them that say that, need one one more first class puck possession player. But who do we have.
Grabner is not that kind of player.

So if Tavares is neutralized, Tavares line is neutralized. That count for Grabner, PAP and Moulson on the line. That where the problem is.
To solve it with the current building block is much easier said than done, but one is properly getting more scoring from 2’Th and Third line.
That is the major reason to put Grabner with Nielsen, and hopeful Okposo will show up on that line as well.

If 2’Th line score total 70 goals, it is not that simple to just focus on Tavares. Then it will either give Tavares more space of the 2’Th line, meaning that teams would have more decision to make.

So much of the problem with Tavares line lay in the hand of Nielsens and Baileys lines.

by JanMath on Nov 24, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Did you hear the Pens pre-game speech?

Nearly all the tactical strategy had to deal with neutralizing 91. That’s what happens with no secondary scoring.

Success was survival and, kid, it still is

by IslesFanInNJ on Nov 24, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That's all you have to do it seems to beat the Islanders
  1. is missing on some opportunities but for the most part has a blanket on him most nights.Kabonov, Petrov, Lee, Strome, Nelson, Cizikas as well as next June’s Isles top draft pick can’t get to the Island soon enough to help Tavares and the offense out. As a true Islander fan I’m always kicking that can for the hope of prospects who have the promise to deliver. Glad Nino is around but he hasn’t been used much. The same can be said for Ullstrom. The season is toast so let the old guys including DP sit in the in the press box and play the kids.

by rickrays on Nov 24, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

If Tavares gives any more to the Islanders

they’ll be drawing blood from him at intermissions. One guy doesn’t win hockey games.

"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science

by PGI on Nov 24, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Every player in the NHL is 'streaky'. Goals are rare events. You have to understand the probabilistic nature of goal scoring.

Its very very unlikely that any player will produce at anything like regular intervals. It says nothing at all about JT, but more about the nature of hockey. Sometimes they go in, sometimes they don’t.

by TMS on Nov 25, 2011 2:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Happy Thanksgiving!

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Nov 24, 2011 11:16 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Happy Thanksgiving !

FLYERROB ! YOU STAY AWESOME FLYERS FANS ! ~ ~ ~ Lori Wilson Gray ~ ~ April 07th 1967 - May 27th 2011 ~ May you rest in Peace ~ I love you and miss you big Sis ! Bob Wilson JR. ~ ~ ~ July 03rd 1944 - November 06th 2011 ~ ~ I love you Dad ! GOD PLEASE GIVE ME THE STRENGTH ! Two Close Family Members passing in 6 months ~ Give me strength !

by FLYERROB on Nov 24, 2011 11:17 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah, you guys won, but it sucks you "had" to move Carter and Richards for Bryz.

Richards was my favorite non-islander skater in the division. What did you think of those “trades/signings”? I wanted to talk some flyers fans about it. Because I thought you guys could have kept at least 1 of them, and Richards was a 1 of a kind all around center.

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Nov 24, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Not Rubbing in the win (we should have lost to be honest.. Islanders out played the FLYERS)

I was shocked at first. But .. there was rumors of a split divided Locker room and that Richards and Carter were not getting along with Pronger. We have not had a Stud Goalie Since Bernie and Pelle (would have been awesome if he didnt die) and Hexy was great but not a stud. Sooooo.. I am happy with the trade. Were probably not going to win this year because we are too inconsistent (signs of a young team) but Next year ? should be a good Run !

Anyhooo.. Happy Bird day ! eat some turkey and watch football and undo your pants and take a nap on the sofa !!!

FLYERROB ! YOU STAY AWESOME FLYERS FANS ! ~ ~ ~ Lori Wilson Gray ~ ~ April 07th 1967 - May 27th 2011 ~ May you rest in Peace ~ I love you and miss you big Sis ! Bob Wilson JR. ~ ~ ~ July 03rd 1944 - November 06th 2011 ~ ~ I love you Dad ! GOD PLEASE GIVE ME THE STRENGTH ! Two Close Family Members passing in 6 months ~ Give me strength !

by FLYERROB on Nov 24, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I see your view, but it's weird to move them both all because Pronger's unhappy. I could have understanded moving 1, and you could fit Bryz with 1 gone. But both?

Richards I thought was the heart of the team and one of the most-blue-collar/philly type players/captains you had on the team.

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Nov 24, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Happy Thanksgiving

And RIP Pelle…

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Nov 24, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Careful of this rumored locker room rifts

The Islanders apparently had some locker room issues with the Peca-Yashin-Blake teams of the early 2000s. I heard it basically was Peca and Laviolette vs. Blake and Yashin. The Islanders had to make a choice and, in a shocking turn of events, made the wrong one.

"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science

by PGI on Nov 24, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I apologize for my anti DP rantings around here...

I’m just very frustrated with the whole situation.

by KO21 on Nov 24, 2011 8:01 PM EST reply actions  

Running Total

Running Total:
Post 1; Kyle 2!

Streit: B-.
2.967 (19 games played)

Staios: C
2.193 (19)

Hamonic: B+.
3.118 (19)

AMac: B-.
2.707 (19)

Jurcina: C-.
2.079 (10)

Mottau: C+
1.827 (12)

Not in action:

Eaton:
2.131 (16)

"The reader of this sentence exists only while reading me."

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