Islanders/NHL Media and Power Rankings Roundup
by Dominik on Nov 16, 2011 1:47 PM EST
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PrintAnother week, another lone solace: At least they're not Columbus.
Or Ottawa or Winnipeg, by our calculations. But that's about it. Our opinion-free power rankings put the Senators and Jets -- and especially the Blue Jackets, my goodness the Blue Jackets -- performances thus far below the Islanders. So, yay?
Opinion-based media rankings put them in the 27-29 range, deservedly so, while Scott Cullen's formula at TSN still has them at a lofty 25th. These are all before last night's loss, mind you -- though last night, oddly, looked like a better team than the version that trotted itself out in orange and blue to the ugly figure of just one win in the last 11 games.
Well, at least Calvin De Haan's tests came back okay. Lines at today's practice are the same.
Oh, and some guy at ESPN who used to play says Capuano is on the hot seat.
Media Power Rankings
Not much to gripe about here. Can you figure out which commentary is different?
| Outlet | Rank | Last Week | Their Commentary |
| CBSSports | 28 | 28 |
Losers of nine of the past 10 and struggling to score goals. If John Tavares isn't creating offense for them, nobody is. |
| THN (Proteau) |
27 | 23 |
Isles have played fewest games in the NHL (14), but no excuse for woeful offense (a league-worst 29 goals-for) |
| ESPN (Burnside) |
29 | 29 | The Islanders continue to muddle along, rolling out three goaltenders and making a mess of what was a promising start to the season. They also have just one win in their past 10 outings. |
| CBC | 29 | 29 | Being home for three games is always a good thing if you're a team that's lost nine of your last 10 games. Unfortunately this may not apply to the Isles, who next face three streaking teams in the Canadiens, Rangers and Bruins. Only three players have put up 10 or more points. The combo of Michael Grabner and Matt Moulson have just nine goals between them in 14 games. Not good enough, as the Islanders once again claim their usual spot in the cellar of the East. |
| TSN (Cullen) |
25 | 21 | Same old Islanders? Despite the promise coming into the season, one win in the last ten games leaves the Isles in familiar territory and they'll need significant improvement to alter their course. |
| Fox | 29 | 29 | The punchless Isles could really use some scoring from Kyle Okposo, but, sadly, it doesn’t look like the former top-10 pick is capable of replicating his 52 points from two years ago. |
| Average |
27.8 |
26 | Obviously it's the offense -- unless I've written columns blaming the goaltending and need to stick to that. |
Real Power Rankings
| W | L | OTL | Pts | Win Pct | PWR | ||
| 1 | Washington | 10 | 4 | 1 | 21 | 0.700 | 2113 |
| 2 | Pittsburgh | 10 | 4 | 3 | 23 | 0.676 | 2060 |
| 3 | San Jose | 9 | 5 | 1 | 19 | 0.633 | 2020 |
| 4 | Phoenix | 8 | 4 | 3 | 19 | 0.633 | 1941 |
| 5 | Dallas | 11 | 5 | 0 | 22 | 0.688 | 1898 |
| 6 | NY Rangers | 9 | 3 | 3 | 21 | 0.700 | 1896 |
| 7 | Edmonton | 9 | 6 | 2 | 20 | 0.588 | 1870 |
| 8 | Los Angeles | 8 | 6 | 3 | 19 | 0.559 | 1854 |
| 9 | Chicago | 11 | 4 | 3 | 25 | 0.694 | 1834 |
| 10 | Philadelphia | 9 | 4 | 3 | 21 | 0.656 | 1828 |
| 11 | New Jersey | 8 | 6 | 1 | 17 | 0.567 | 1775 |
| 12 | Minnesota | 9 | 5 | 3 | 21 | 0.618 | 1766 |
| 13 | Detroit | 9 | 5 | 1 | 19 | 0.633 | 1738 |
| 14 | Nashville | 8 | 5 | 3 | 19 | 0.594 | 1692 |
| 15 | Florida | 8 | 5 | 3 | 19 | 0.594 | 1664 |
| 16 | Buffalo | 10 | 6 | 0 | 20 | 0.625 | 1660 |
| 17 | Tampa Bay | 8 | 6 | 2 | 18 | 0.563 | 1659 |
| 18 | Toronto | 10 | 6 | 1 | 21 | 0.618 | 1655 |
| 19 | St. Louis | 8 | 7 | 1 | 17 | 0.531 | 1633 |
| 20 | Boston | 8 | 7 | 0 | 16 | 0.533 | 1614 |
| 21 | Vancouver | 9 | 8 | 1 | 19 | 0.528 | 1581 |
| 22 | Anaheim | 6 | 8 | 3 | 15 | 0.441 | 1473 |
| 23 | Montreal | 7 | 7 | 2 | 16 | 0.500 | 1466 |
| 24 | Carolina | 6 | 8 | 3 | 15 | 0.441 | 1413 |
| 25 | Colorado | 8 | 8 | 1 | 17 | 0.500 | 1390 |
| 26 | Calgary | 7 | 8 | 1 | 15 | 0.469 | 1360 |
| 27 | NY Islanders | 4 | 7 | 3 | 11 | 0.393 | 1320 |
| 28 | Ottawa | 8 | 9 | 1 | 17 | 0.472 | 1284 |
| 29 | Winnipeg | 5 | 9 | 3 | 13 | 0.382 | 1167 |
| 30 | Columbus | 3 | 12 | 1 | 7 | 0.219 | 589 |
Our weekly "real" power rankings are courtesy of our own ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles (who is the one you'll find tirelessly compiling FIG picks in the game thread), conceived and delivers these week after week. They reflect games through Sunday.
Explanation of how he does it is in the original post. If you have any questions about it, leave them in comments and he'll likely answer. For reference, llast week's post is here.
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Does anyone else
Miss the weekly chuckles at the Columbus power rankings? We need to find another local writers power rankings to have some fun with. Maybe from Vancouver?
"Failing upwards! How come I can’t ever seem to do that?" - AP77 on Strang's ESPN Job
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they converted his column
into a whole bluejackets section which you have to be a member to read. My guess is he has more stuff to write about or more BJ specific stuff that he doesn’t need the power rankings to pad out a week of articles.
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Make sense
That one needs to be a member to get BJ coverage.
by Dorfer on Nov 16, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
and ye shall be green, fellatio comment!
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Nov 16, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Are we just not getting them
or is he not doing them? It would have been fun to see what he said about his charge this season.
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Looks like
he’s not doing them. The one currently up is the last one from last season.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
I kind of miss it
But maybe even Portzline realizes that the endless potshots at the Isles ring hollow when the Jackets are the only club currently below them in the standings. Stones, glass houses, some assembly required.
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Islander's Lack of Identity
Was listening to last night’s pre-game on radio on the Ranger’s network (why? because radio Hofstra comes on 5 mins before the game, that’s why) and Dave Maloney has an interesting take on the Isles. Will preface that I’m not a hugh fan of Maloney’s as a medier guy. Nevertheless, he said that the Isles aren’t skilled enough to be a “finesse” team and not tough enough to be a “grit” team. He feels because of that, the Isles lack a team identitiy.
Never thought of it that way, and it’s a bit simplistic, but there is some truthiness to his statement. To be fair to Isles, that same sentiment applies to most NHL teams, including the Rangers.
Dave also said in the post-game (radio)
“The Islanders need to bottle-up this type of effort they put out tonight for the other 76 games they play that are not vs. the Rangers. Tonight if not for Lundquist, the Isles should have won.”
That’s it in a nutshell, will this effort be there vs. everyone else?
We are all Islanders, even if we’re from Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Nov 16, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Agreed.
I’m absolutely stunned by the lack of effort this year. These players are young (except for the “new” guys), and should be hungry at least until they win a Cup. I know some now have decent contracts, but imagine what the next contracts would be like if they kept improving?
Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Nov 16, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
another thing
That kind of effort in a loss would be much more palatable if the Isles weren’t also losing badly many other nights. If they had won the Colorado and Winnipeg games, for example, I don’t think last night would have made everyone so crazy in the aftermath.
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by mikb on Nov 16, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, thats what my beef is with this team!
This team (or any other) is not going to win every game: luck, bad officiating, an ocassional bad night contribute to losses, these things can not be controlled. HOWEVER: effort can always be there win or loose, one could say last night was a godd effort and Lundquist stoe one. BUT, how about the losses these team has had during this streak? How many poor effort games, periods, have we seen?
We are all Islanders, even if we’re from Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Nov 16, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
I actually cared last night
I feel like a bad fan, when I watch another listless game and when it is over, I go “meh” we suck, we lost again like it is no big deal. Last night I was into it and I was pissed when we lost. I say things like “we” when I didn’t even play.
There is no way I can imagine a professional athlete, not caring, it is not in my DNA when I am doing something competitive to not care. Maybe its a work thing and because it is their job. I know there are days I couldn’t care less about work, but even on those days I feel like shot for not having produced.
Thats exactly what I was thinking...
If they were playing like this, night in and night out, and weren’t losing on a nightly, basis they wouldn’t be crying about losing a hard fought game…They would be saying that its just 1 game and we will get back on the winning course…The fact is they had 1 good game…Thats something to build on…But that’s why they feel so devastated…They played hard and didnt get the result they wanted…But If they do continue to play the way they did, last night, they will be a team to be reckoned with….If they play like this consistently, they will be rewarded…I’m just concerned that this young team just falls back to their lackadaisical ways all because they didn’t get the result they wanted when they did play hard…They need to play like this every night because they CAN…
by KO21 on Nov 16, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Completely true
we need to play this hard and hope we get a break or two to win games. When we take periods off and lose because of effort, it compounds the games we lose because of bad luck or lack of talent. Good teams can overcome bad luck-we can’t. We need to make our luck.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
No doubt
It’s pretty annoying that we could predict an effort like that against the Rangers, they showed it, and now we go back to wondering if they’ll sustain it.
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Made me think of something I thought I heard last night
Please correct me if I am wrong, but did Mr. Announcer Guy say the isles were something like one for eighteen on the power play IN THEIR LAST TEN GAMES? If that’s what I heard then that explains a lot. If we’re getting less than 2 PPs a game it’s not just bad officiating. It’s not enough drive.
And also under 70% in the last 30 or so kills, I believe they said.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Nov 16, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
I keep checking back here ...
expecting to see breaking news about a trade or significant personnel move of some kind but it’s not happening.
I’m really gonna be surprised if the GM just sits pat. Something has to happen soon, doesn’t it?
I agree
one would think the value for nabby is pretty good right now. I think the problem lies do you think he would waive his NTC to go to columbus? Columbus has some pretty good players and i think it’s time to package a prospect and a few picks for someone. The fact that Garth and Wang are buddy buddy is scary because where will the accountability be when they aquire a 3rd rounder for nabby. NO MORE PICKS and every prospect is fair trading bait, because after all they are just prospects and not proven players.
My question is
how the fuck was he signed to a NTC if he’s only making $500k?
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He signed for 570K so that the Red Wings could afford to have him up.
He negotiated the clause so that they could not dump him at will (and probably thought it would hinder another team from picking him up, hahaha)
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 16, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
Which was odd
because had they wanted to trade him, he would have needed to clear waivers again anyway…
but it shows that either him or his agent had no clue when it came to players returning from Europe.
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Yup… they were either had no clue or they were positively psychic and knew another team would pick him up and that he wouldnt report and that the contract would be tolled and then he would have some say in where he went.
Im going with clueless.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 16, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
Trade?
We don’t need no stinking trade! improvement would mean no top 5 draft pick this year.
Back....
had to take a Campbell and wipe my Bettman.
Trade is only way to get an impact player to Long Island
They dont have enough impact players. Having pandolfo, eaton, mottau, and even staios (who has done ok) is laughable. You cant tell me these guys including rolston and reasoner will be here next year and i dont think the AHL roster can supply these players.
It’s alarming to think that they can sit with this current roster and not be in line to get a top 5 pick. Playing hard for 2 ranger games just doesnt cut it sorry, and i believe they are 2-3 players away from completing solid lines.
totally agree
i was so surprised when moulson, JT, and grabner resigned, but at this rate of “improvement” during these “rebuilding” years, we wont get anything done without adding players from the outside. We simply have to many holes to fill to role the dice, rely on the draft, and wait 4 more years.
by potvins_cups on Nov 16, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
You are correct,
my reply was tonuge in cheek. Value is the key here. What looks like a under developing ( or under achieving) player may not be that way in a year or within the same year under different cicumstances. The real question to me is do we have faith that Islanders brain trust is astute enough to do this. I feel that with what Garth and company have done draft wise and with" picking the wire" for guys Like Grabner, they be. On the other hand, With the “devil droppings” signings I’m not so sure.
i wasnt sure this was a playoff team anyway. So I’m willing to wait it out this year, Unless we regress past our low level of last year.
Back....
had to take a Campbell and wipe my Bettman.
Damn! JP,
how much do i owe you for that unauthorized usage?
Back....
had to take a Campbell and wipe my Bettman.
I think that's a 2 recs...
it’s only one if you use the ©
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by JPinVA on Nov 16, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ha
i wasnt sure this was a playoff team anyway. So I’m willing to wait it out this year, Unless we regress past our low level of last year.
Heh, yeah I was fully expecting that middling ground of not making the playoffs but not having a snazzy top 5 pick to ogle either. At this rate we’ll have a top pick AND better awareness of whom to leave behind.
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Not ready to go there yet.
I fully understand that this is not a solid playoff team. But to leave November with only 4 or 5 more points than they had last year would be CRIMINAL.
I have listed the fixes before… not giving Capuano the tools to be a playoff contender in January would be an excuse for turning this team off.
If capuano seriously wants the three headed goalie issue, the two [age] floors of talent that is plmost vacant on the top floor and nobody on the second tier of steps, and the ridiculously thin defensive corps… well that’s on him, and he should go too.
Unlike Gordon, we’ve seen a Jack Capuano team win in the NHL. But this IS NOT THAT TEAM. That team had three lines that could score and one that could protect.
I don’t care if he’s -20 at the AHL level, I want Michael Haley on the team way more than Jay Pandolfo. I want to see David Ullstrom perform the role that Jesse Joensuu had last year… NOT BRIAN ROLSTON.
Marty, Wishart and Hillen were SUPERIOR to Eaton, Mottau and Staios… NOT EVEN CLOSE. Having Streit back doesn’t equalize the equation.
Garth let this team regress… and he can fix it.
DO IT NOW!!! I don’t give two shits about some kid who will make an impact when Kyle Okposo is over the hill.
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Relax, I'm not there yet either
I still have high hopes for picking 11th overall!
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We're 19th! We're 19th We're 19th!
Why do I thnk this is cool?
by Hockey1919 on Nov 16, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
11th would be fine...
especially if it went to the Jets along with one of the 25U25 (from 15-25) to get Bogosian… or any other team that has a 23-26 year old defenseman that could help this team for 50 games this year…and in the future.
“Relax”? Yeah… that sounded read a little stressed… it’s not the hockey, I promise you that.
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@JPinVA
As
Rabid fans ( defined by posting on this blog and caring this much about a sports team) I hope we can be patient enough to let this work out. It’s probably a good thing none of us are the GM.
Back....
had to take a Campbell and wipe my Bettman.
Reasoner will be here next year
as he is signed to a two-year deal.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
Takes 2 to Tango
I hear this lets make a trade sentiment a lot. However, you must remember most GMs are not ready to trade yet, the season has just begun.
Additionally if you are the opposing GM and Garth wants to give you Nabby and a young player that he values highly but currently “sucks” (aka Comeau or Bailey), then the opposing GM is not going to offer you anything of value back, thus Garth backs off and NO Trades occur.
Catch 22.
Read in the CBC article this week the same
More than half the GMS hate their teams, but none want to make a deal to take on salary. The Islanders may be a team able to take on salary, but they have no mid-level vets to deal. It is either a has-been or a may-become. The only players in that mid-range categrory are Nielsen, PAP and Moulson. If you deal one of them you just create another hole.
by Hockey1919 on Nov 16, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
TSN says the Maple Lafs are looking for an experienced goalie
Reimer is hurt. The Monster seems ready to sign with Pixar and Scrivens not up to the task. Anyone we would want from TO?
STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Nov 16, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
I respectfully disagree on Strome
Look at what was done with Bailey. Imagine what kind of player Bailey might be right now if he was allowed to play a couple seasons in the AHL and in the World Juniors. No one can say for sure, but my guess would be he’d have had more success in the AHL and built up a good base of confidence as he matured. Again, its conjecture but more time seasoning most likely would have helped the guy.
Same with Strome, let him season a year or two in the AHL to build up confidence. Not everyone is going to be JT who learned well at the NHL level.
This does bring up a different point. The AHL age restriction…why? Especially when the NHL has a more lenient one. Some kids under 20 are not good enough for the NHL but are too good for Juniors/College.
The Canadian major junior leagues won't allow it
In the olden times, before they started playing NHL games in Florida, the draft-eligible age was 20. Everyone, no matter how good, stayed in juniors until then.
When the WHA came along, they tried the drafting thing, only to find all their best players went to NHL teams that drafted them. To survive, they abandoned the draft in 1978 and started signing underage players directly. This helped force the NHL/WHA merger; it also forced the league into a decision about these 18 and 19 year olds with pro contracts with teams now in their own league. Yet-to-be-drafted players still had to be 20 under the league bylaws.
Ken Linseman sued the league for the right to enter the draft as a teenager, and the league lowered the draft age to 18. (Seriously, look at the first two drafts after that, with 18-20 year olds all together. Insanely deep.) But to soothe the fears of the major junior leagues, the NHL agreed that any of the draftees not with his NHL club would be returned to juniors, rather than go to the AHL.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Nov 16, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Thanks for the knowledge!
Nice to learn something new. :)
by GreekIsles83 on Nov 16, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
addendum
It turns out that Linseman’s lawsuit was against the WHA in 1977, leading to the league’s decision to allow underage signings. That did eventually lead to the lowering of the draft age in 1980. I got the timeline a little skewed. The author regrets the error.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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addendum 2
it got even crazier. WHA team owner Nelson Skalbania cimcumvented the 18 and under rule by signing 16 yr old Wayne Gretzky to a personal services contract in 1978.
Back....
had to take a Campbell and wipe my Bettman.
Yes,
the same Skalbania douche that owned 2 WHA teams at the same time and then folded one while giving up half ownership in the the other for a vintage Rolls Royce Phaeton used in the film The Great Gatsby, a painting by Maurice Utrillo and a diamond ring worth about $150,000. Could have made the subject line WHY I HATE THE F’ING OILERS.
Back....
had to take a Campbell and wipe my Bettman.
by skeeterman on Nov 16, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that, I didn't know
Holy smokes. And they hate Pocklington????
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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and the worst part is,
when Pocklington made the deal the ring was still on his wife’s finger!
Back....
had to take a Campbell and wipe my Bettman.
Worst part revised
Skalbania douche sold Gretzky to the Oilers for 800K, gave up on Messier after a five game tryout as a 17yr old and then folded the Racers. I HATE THE F’ING OILERS.
Back....
had to take a Campbell and wipe my Bettman.
very true
i agree with it all. Just feel the 9 games could have gave him extra motivation. I guess i’m just getting tired of seeing bad plays from these aging vets. :(
I definitely get where you are coming from
I petitioning for captain of the “Kick Pandalfo and Rolston off the team” boat. And the desire to have something, ANYTHING shiny and new for us fans to have hope in. Part of the problem is that the Isles don’t have many options besides aging vets and rushing kids.
Done the right way, Rolston and Staios should have been more along the lines of Jeff Carter and Erhoff. They may not be room leaders, but they would lead on the ice by example. Further they would allow us to keep peeps like Bailey and Strome in the minors a bit longer. I think Garth is trying, but perhaps not hard enough to make these type of upgrades in the summer.
by GreekIsles83 on Nov 16, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
as Sean Couturier
rolls along at a pace to score around 22 goals and is a plus 9 the year he is drafted.
im not saying bailey wouldnt have benefited by playing a couple years of junior and ahl because it clearly looks like it has hurt him and he was rushed.
but there are alot of guys in the last 5 years who have played in the nhl the year they were drafted and are doing very well. taveras isnt the only one by far
Star players are the exception
Its true the NHL is trending younger in terms of when players start being major contributors. Toews, Kane, Seguin, Crosby all spring to mind right away. You could say the visible, star caliber players are getting put in there earlier and are doing well. But really, out of the hundreds of players drafted each year, how many actually make the team the following season and contribute?
Strome could be a super star right now and help the Islanders out of their funk. Or he could get dinged up like Bailey and suffer for it. We don’t really know. My point is, its safer to have him try a year in the AHL. And it would be better if the Islanders could afford to do this (like a club like Detroit does with prospects), but because of our issues there’s pressure to get potential young saviors in there. Not exactly the best environment.
by GreekIsles83 on Nov 16, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
I think what mostly hurt Bailey
and makes comparisons to players such as Skinner and Couturier slightly unfair is that, when Bailey was a rookie, he was pretty much relied on as a #1/#2 center surrounded by crappy players. Couturier and Skinner are surrounded by talent, which will most definitely help their development while in the NHL. It sucks what’s going on with Bailey, I still have a lot of faith that he’ll develop into a solid player.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
I think it is ridiculous & false
to suggest that Bailey would be any different right now no matter what track he was on
I think it is unknowable, but not an invalid premise.
by Hockey1919 on Nov 16, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No but a lot of people imply that its an obvious truth. I think its more likely that its not true. He is the same person with
the same innate talent after all.
As a proponent...
from day one.to keep him in juniors and let him play in the WJC, I’ll say this:
1. He may not have been a better player right now, but he’d be perceived differently.
2. He never got the overage year that Nino, and Kabanov got. Nor did he get dropped into the situation that they will.
3. It should be noted that Tavares is so effin good that he is now playing at an all-star level with two guys that might have been in the AHL on their previous teams. The Islanders have only fixed it by MATURING, or catching the maturing players at that period when they are about to come out of the cacoon.
4. Bailey isn’t BAD, he just isn’t what everybody percieves him to be…. and what is that exactly. He wasn’t physical in juniors… he wasn’t a super scorer, or elite power forward. He was selected for his leadership qualities. He took a team of kids affected by the death of their teammates and he led them through it. He played with Nolan’s son, so there were probably some things that Nolan was privvy to that helped identify him as somebody that could be really special. But instead of nurturing that, they made him the focal point of a team in the midst of a BLIND LEADING THE BLIND DYNAMIC.
5. Trading Josh Bailey might just be the best thing for him. I’d still be a fan… still rooting for him to be consistently what he showed in the first six games last year. I’d much rather see that happen on the island.
Rushing a kid to the Bruins in the midst of their Stanley Cup year is questionable. Rushing one to the a team that has a defective goaltender and a guy playing in the KHL as two of their three highest paid players is INSANE. They needed to fill that team with crap, and let the kids develop with kids. Both he and Kyle may be broken because of it. But who can prove that they wouldn’t be exactly the same given alternate opportunities.
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Barnaby doesnt know jack. (PI)
But even if it was, why on earth would that be “yay”?
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 16, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
in fairness it was yay with a question mark. So he was asking if people should be excited or not.
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Thats how I took it too.
I was asking what would be “yay” about it.
But nobody acknowledged my “Pun Intended”.
Get it? Doesnt know Jack? GET IT? (slaps knee)
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 16, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
You never know
when a coach gets fired, sometimes it wakes up the team. It woke up the Penguins in 2009 and it woke up the Isles last year, so who knows.
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Matther Barnaby...
Is it THIS Matthew Barnaby… or maybe this Matthew Barnaby… Who realy cares which one it is. They are both mentally defective.
Capuano is on the hot seat, and Barnaby is two vials of crack and an aggressive prosecutor away from an electric seat.
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by JPinVA on Nov 16, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Most accurate Branaby description I've read in forever.
Had me do a spit take.
i have my eye on a coupla players from columbus
nash is untouchable. but i would bring back martinek and inquire about carter,although his no-trade clause just kicked in (i think). he’s a bad fit there @ center because he isnt much of a playmaker-more a natural goal scorer who might fit well with wingers like okposo and parenteau.bc might work with him as well as frans. his contract is an albatross unless they are committed to building around him.hypothetically if he is available,what would it take?
by Lakewood Islander on Nov 16, 2011 5:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The combo of Michael Grabner and Matt Moulson have just nine goals between them in 14 games
I have to ask, is two guys combining for a ~55 goal pace now (10 in 15 games after last night) really considered disappointing? I know they had 65 last year, but given one of them had plenty of ‘can he repeat’ question marks going around, can both finishing in the 25-30 range be considered a bad thing?
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not to mention Grabner is a notoriously slow starter
He tends to ramp up production later in the season. I’m not sure its helped either that the Isles have had so few games so they haven’t gotten in a groove.
You wouldn't believe how good the Corsi is for my NHL 12 Be A Pro player.
Not really
And its good to have someone step in and remind us of that.
I really think its the complete void of scoring from the D and other forwards that are making it an issue. If the other guys were scoring and the team wasnt CONSTANTLY LOSING I dont think we would have a real problem with either of them.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 16, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously
when approximately 10.3 would have both on a 30 goal pace, it seems a little nit-picky. Seven each would make them 40 goal scorers.
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Slightly OT but they are about to unveil the new jersey
Brace for impact.
You wouldn't believe how good the Corsi is for my NHL 12 Be A Pro player.
its our worst nightmares
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nyislanders/6352009732/
screw homework, its all about islanders hockey
possibly worse than the fisherman
that’s terrible
You wouldn't believe how good the Corsi is for my NHL 12 Be A Pro player.
I sure picked the wrong season to quit gargling bleach.
Criminy, they might as well wear the jeans and work boots onto the ice too.
We gotta look like rec leaguers too?
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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WELL, they look better on than standalone
Not that they look GOOD per se, but relatively they do look better.
Sigh.
I cant really be mad about this anymore.
I dont care WTF they are wearing anymore, just win some games.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Nov 16, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
on the otherhand
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nyislanders/6351290705/
winning
screw homework, its all about islanders hockey
by DarthDoyle on Nov 16, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Trade for that
Everyone but JT. No wait, can we get all three for him, a couple prospects and a 2nd rounder?
Back....
had to take a Campbell and wipe my Bettman.
Awful
Imma say it. Worse than the fisherman. No maybe. Just worse.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
all i can say is.......
UGH! the season is over for sure now! Trade that jersey!
Back....
had to take a Campbell and wipe my Bettman.
If the players like them, then Im gonna be OK with it.
Its just not worth the effort when theres more important things regarding this team for me to stress out and drive myself crazy over.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
The players
aren’t making good decisions on the ice. how can we expect them to make good decisions about these? Fire the marketing crew!
Back....
had to take a Campbell and wipe my Bettman.
Really
the only neat back sweaters ive ever seen are the Hawks and South Dakota.
Back....
had to take a Campbell and wipe my Bettman.
Black and I've
Punctuation and spelling police are going to get me tonight.
Back....
had to take a Campbell and wipe my Bettman.
"I dont care WTF they are wearing anymore, just win some games."
harumph!
by dose on Nov 16, 2011 8:46 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.
The victory justified the faith in coach Al Arbour who guided them from their second season to their first Stanley Cup seven seasons later. The Islanders would not be the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup, but they would be the only one capable of a dynasty.
1980-81
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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.
Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.
1981-82
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May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.
A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.
1982-83
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May 17, 1983: Not so fast, whipper-snappers. The Edmonton Oilers' steadily rising challenge for league supremacy took them all the way to the finals for the first time, where the New York Islanders summarily dispatched them in a four-game sweep. For the Islanders, the Dynasty was secured. For the Oilers, it was a powerful lesson in where talent ends and the demands of playoff hockey begin.
Four years, four Cups, 16 consecutive playoff series wins (a record that would grow to 19 until the rematch with the Oilers the following year). Mike Bossy scored 60 goals yet again, and Wayne Gretzky became acquainted with Billy Smith's crease.
