Islanders Bits: 'Hard work' only matters if you keep it up
I'm not sure whether to be mildly pleased by last night's effort and penalty killing or ticked off that it appears to have taken the Rangers showing up at the Coliseum to bring it out of the Islanders.
Whatever the conflicted feelings, the result remains the same despite the hard work Jack Capuano lauded after the game. When you work hard and play smart, you will win some and lose some. So this sudden display of awareness and work only matters if they keep ... it ... up.
That means doing so against better opponents, later this week, who do not conjure the same easily channeled passion as the rivals who live above the train station.
Islanders LinksPost-Game Coverage: mikb handled our recap | Our own Keith Quinn handled the recap at IPB | Newsday's said it was better, but not enough, with go-to spokesman P.A. Parenteau providing the quotes. | Strang has a few bits at ESPN | Botta had some of this and that at the Times blog, with John Tortorella crediting Lundqvist once again | Isles official site recaps (Wright) and (LeBourdais) | Blueshirt Banter enjoys their side
Just so you know, Sean Avery is always innocent and unfairly persecuted.
Niederreiter in, Okposo out: A little bit from Newsday. I trust next game it's someone else's turn. Josh Bailey's crucial turnover makes him an easy goat and candidate, but again, they need a center. Are they willing to make a Bridgeport move just for that message?
General sentiment was Nino had a solid (re)debut, yes?
Mikko: You probably know already that Mikko Koskinen was officially loaned to KalPa in Finland. Here's Fornabaio's Sound Tigers chat from yesterday. Remember that the Isles can still qualify Koskinen in the summer and retain his rights. I actually think that's preferable, as having goalies playing (and developing) all around the world avoids the ... dueling three-goalie situations. @Just look at Cody Rosen.@
Checking Line: Imagining what Josh Bailey's going through, and how Michael Grabner's experience could help.
Rumor sorter Lyle takes on the Islanders ugly start.
Brock? BMT season 4, episode 5 - Golf Outing - fightingsioux.com
And if I've read things right, the Islanders unveil their third jersey motif along with some special something or other tonight at a charity benefit event and cocktail to do.
General Hockey
- I know this sounds crazy, but Brendan Shanahan actually broke down disciplinary video with the GMs. I know, communication, right? Who knew?
- Topics: NHL GM Meetings: Protecting goalies, Flyers’ stalling, hybrid icing - Puck Daddy
- Politics of Topics: Which GMs were "working the room" at today’s meeting? | ProHockeyTalk
- In praise and memory of the slapshot. Doggone backcheckers and goalies.
Capuano's Post-Game Last Night
In contrast to the anger in Vancouver, last night he felt bad for his team:
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Josh Josh Josh.....
‘Take it easy, Champ. Why don’t you sit this next one out.’
by barry_hal_oliver_24 on Nov 16, 2011 7:26 AM EST reply actions
Indeed
Bailey has his fans here, but that last play he made was just awful. A bantam level player would be benched for a play like that. The surprising thing was that he was barely pressured, had room to turn it back if he wanted to, and then flipped it to no one in particular (other than Dubinsky). Just awful.
This was the worst part
He really had all kinds of time to make the play.
It particularly sucks because he had actually played a good game up until that point. But after three years in the NHL how do you still make what looks very much like a rookie mistake?
Tavares is Tavares.
Musical chairs
They have three seats in the press box.
1. for the third goaltender
2. for the 7th defenseman
3. for the 13th forward.
Here’s an idea.
1. get rid of the third goaltender. Nabokov may be their #1 or 1A option… I’m not sure trading him will get much… so waive Dipietro. This should be exclusively for Pandolfo and Rolston to share so David Ullstrom can play.
2. IMPROVE the 7th defenseman. Mottau needs to go. Let Eaton, Staios and Wishart rotate this seat.
3. this spot should be for Haley and the guy he replaces in the lineup to share. Bailey would be in it for Montreal.
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Pretty much agree
they need to figure out the goalie thing-not because the goalies have been the problem, but because they need that slot for a forward. If you can’t get anything you want for Nabokov just yet, then DP needs to see BP. There isn’t a good argument against it (I don’t think the cap would come into play immediately).
Wishart needs to take Staios’ spot next to Streit. Anything Streit can bring this team is chained down by how bad Staios is. Let Eaton and Jurcina try and figure it out as the third pair (Jesus Christ-is it really that bad?).
I really don’t care who that extra forward is that comes up, but like Cappy, I’m ready to see three from BP. I’m done with Rolston and Pandolfo. They can enjoy the views of the Long Island Sound in rocking chairs with DP and some Country Time Lemonade.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
Staios
I don’t think he’s all that bad, I just think that pairing with Streit is killing both of them. I can’t remember a pairing we’ve had in recent history where both players’ strengths were being simultaneously brought down by having to cover for the others’ weaknesses.
Maybe pair Staios with Mottau, so when Mottau ineffectively slides on his back, Staios can also slide in to break up the play?
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
OH GOD NO
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by Fabtraption on Nov 16, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
That's an excellent strategy...
for the press box.
Streit-Jurcina looked okay. I’d like to see if a healthy Jurcina can make that work. A little more speed, a shot forwards have to respect from the point, and if he was the defender on a 2 on 1 he takes up more space when he lays down.
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Only problem
I have waiving DP, is that Poulin and Nilsson will get less minutes. And these guys need to play on a regular basis.
I say trade Nabokov. Get that 2nd or 3rd round pick and move on.
No one said
to play DP in Bridgeport. Just for him to be assigned there now to free up the roster spot.
I don’t think there’s enough of a market to get even a third for Nabokov. If you’re fine with taking a 5th or worse for him, then I say go for it (and you think DP can legitimately back up for an entire season). Otherwise, I’d wait and see if his value increases.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
I’m becoming less convinced this is the case. Since it is a progressive thing and we’ve been over the floor for a while, we could probably be under the floor for a while also.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
by afrosupreme on Nov 16, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Are you certain in the sense you can point me to the rule, or just that you have a strong feeling? I ask because no one seems to have dug up what exactly the ramifications are for going below the floor.
Additionally, like I said, I don’t think sending DP down would even actually put us below the cap floor. It’s a progressive thing, not a total of the players currently on the active roster.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
It's in the CBA
I’m working on a fanpost about it now, since it’s quite long just for a reply.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Then I will say make a Alfredson with Nielsen.
Renew his contract with a buy out, that was what Senators did some years ago.
Can't do buyouts midseason
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Hard work schmard work
I want to see final scores where the Islanders have more goals than the other team. Enough of this nonsense. They have to bury their chances. The first Islander goal beat Lumpquest high to the glove side. Keep shooting there. Instead they shoot low and I don’t know why everybody – that includes our boys – continues to try to blast away from the point. Even if it gets through, these overpadded goalies are so positional, it’s almost pointless (pun intended) even with screens. Yeah shoot low, but with no big windup and less speed. Make the goalie think. Mostly, though, the team needs to show more patience on the ice. Bailey had time to bank it out off the boards (not “the wall,” thank you.) Instead he sent it right up the middle. In a pickup game one time, I did exactly what Bailey did and it ended up in the net. one of our defensemen told me, “You do that again, i’ll make you eat that puck.” Next chance, I did what he said and used the boards and started an odd man rush the other way. i don’t remember whether we scored, but the defenseman dropped his stick and gloves and applauded. If I understand that, some guy who makes six or seven figures to play every day certainly should.
Baileys flubbing of the clearing attempt that lead to the Rags game winning goal is what typifies the Isles struggles...
They have had a problem clearing the puck from their own zone all season…It is so frustrating…I’m constantly screaming at my, TV…“CLEAR THE FUCKING PUCK”! The downstairs tenants must think I’m psycho…I was saying in the game thread, last night, that this team can’t bear down when then need too…WTF?!?!?
Are you me?
A KO fan, lots of TV screaming, downstairs tenants with trepidation toward the ruckus upstairs, and a hatred of just how weak the Islanders look when they try to clear the zone. If you are also Greek we may have to call a scientist.
Islanders have looked awful getting out of their zone all season. They can’t clear it hard off the glass when they are in trouble, and when they have the space, they can’t move the puck up the ice effectively. Very weak and lots of goals have been scored on them from not clearing the puck.
by GreekIsles83 on Nov 16, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
I haven't even commented on game play since before the Avs game
but with a 3-0 lead late in the second the Islanders had the ability to dump it into the Avs zone and turned it over. I was yelling “get the the puck deep” and told my wife, “Aw shit the Islanders are fucked and it is game over alll over again”. She said "it is 3-0 and why would you …. " the Canucks scored before she completed her sentence and a 3-0 lead was lost and you could see the slide. Hold that 3-0 lead into intermission and they walk away with a win.
Bailey last night a simple play to gain a zone and he blew it. J&A said it first a bantam player gets sat for a play like that. I think Bailey still has potential, but such a fundamental error at a crucial time has me wondering. Seems like there is at least one major brain cramp a game that sends this team down. they have NO margin for error.
I like how the Canucks scored
in a game they weren’t even playing! Hell of a narrative transition right there.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Nov 16, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
That's how badly the Isles are struggling
They give up goals to teams that have the night off.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Nov 16, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
zzzzzzing!
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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meant Avs, it was a blur of a weekend
all downhill and suck.
Does it not start with smart defensive play?
Last year the team started score a lot of goals and that is very entertaining.
Problem were, that the opposition team always scored even more goals, because of stupid defensive play like what Bailey made yesterday.
This year the team start much slower with scoring, but opposition also score less goals against us.
But we seam to often in the end making that one stupid error.
In the end results look much the same.as last year, but look at the it from another perspective. If the team can get some of the scoring, without open to much in the back, this team should do well.
I would try to replace Bailey as center, because he is just not good enough. He make lots of good smart play, But the number of errors he make is even more fatal. In the long run, that you cost any chances of a cup.
Just an observation
Is there any team in the league that blocks more shots than the Rangers?
This may be the first team in Rangers franchise history
That is this tight defensively. They block, they’re usually positioned well and whatever does get through is usually gobbled up by Lundqvist. As a hockey fan, I can appreciate it. Too bad watching their games makes me ill.
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by PGI on Nov 16, 2011 8:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Me, too...
The ill part.
Yes, I must admit that defensively they looked very well positioned for most of the game.
I really hate saying that. And Staal is still out.
I will say this, however. That willingness to block shots will probably get one of their key players injured again this year (Callahan missed a lot of time last year blocking a shot.).
And they're without Staal too.
That’s kind of scary.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Nov 16, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
The Blues appear to be under Hitchcock
But they were shorthanded for eleventy billion minutes the other night.
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I love Goring and think ...
he does a decent job in the booth.
But I get so tired of hearing about guys or lines having a ‘GREAT shift’ because they controlled the puck down low for 10 seconds or got a couple of shots off.
If they don’t score, it’s not a GREAT shift. It just isn’t.
When Pete Maravich dribbled the ball all around the court until the guy guarding him was dizzy, and then he missed the shot, it wasn’t GREAT play.
He failed to score.
I recall Butch saying that
Pandolfo was an ex-Ranger. So his color commentary is a bit off and he’s loose with his facts. Oh, and he has a face for radio or GEICO commercials (the caveman ones)….nevertheless, I love the guy.
But....
Pete did not miss too many of them.
But I give Butch credit for one call. On one play, Comeau took the puck wide, skated hard, and beat the defenseman to drive the puck to the net, and Butch said “That’s the Comeau we have not seen.”
Indeed. Where has that Comeau been all year?
Therein lies the ...
whole Comeau issue in a nutshell.
That didn't happen ..
because he got new skates, or because he was on crystal meth, or because he got a good night’s sleep. It happened because he DECIDED to play hard.
I remember that
Because Butchie said, “That’s the Comeau we all love” and I was trying to figure out when it was that we ever loved Blake..
Hard work, yes
All the Isles worked hard last night…and still it was a losing effort.
The margin for error on this team is SOOO small.
It was small going into the season, and now its smaller when they get literally no offense from 3 important players they were counting on (Bailey, Ox, and Comeau). What team can fathom the disappearing act of 3 key forwards all at the same time?
Keeping it up
is absolutely the key. It sucks they needed a home crowd full of Ranger fans to get that up for a game, but they played well enough for 60 minutes to win. Something they hadn’t done since WAS.
Comeau sort of typifies this. Last night he was flying-hitting, going to the net, doing all the things we normally lament him not doing. Now bring that v MTL and BOS and on the road to PIT and let’s see what happens.
This team is good enough that if they give the effort they will win games. Last night some bounces didn’t go their way and it ended in an L. But the problem is when you need to keep it close and hope, you can’t go out and shit the bed like they did on the last road trip…
Tavares is Tavares.
Checklist
In order not to sound like a broken record (though it will, I’m sure, anyway) I’m just going to list my demands for what I want to see this season (not necessarily this week):
1. Mottau gone.
2. Ullstrom up.
3. Wishart up as 7th defenseman.
4. Healthy deHaan in as 6th defenseman.
5. Haley up as 13th forward
6. Third goalie off NHL roster. Trade Nabokov or waive Dipietro.
7. Pandolfo gone.
8. Rolston reduced role or gone.
9. Deal for viable 20 minute defensive option. Nobody that isn’t named Tavares is safe.
10. No more forwards on the PP point.
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by JPinVA on Nov 16, 2011 8:49 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Is there an update on DeHaan?
Success was survival and, kid, it still is
by IslesFanInNJ on Nov 16, 2011 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
not as of yesterday
But when I asked Forabaio about it he said that Thompson was trying to get another defenseman up for the weekend. Which would mean that he was day to day at best. There will probably be more information coming out today.
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Looks like Fornbaio posted something similar
Brent Thompson said Calvin de Haan’s tests showed nothing serious, and though he doesn’t expect de Haan to play this weekend, "it’s good news." He wasn’t specific about the injury, but he called de Haan "day to day," said they’ll need to get him stronger. At Wonderland this morning, de Haan didn’t practice and deferred comment to Thompson.
Success was survival and, kid, it still is
by IslesFanInNJ on Nov 16, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
"healthy DeHaan?"
Don’t like to say it, but it does appear that may not be something to rely on.
I’m afraid that he may be a better version of Hillen talent wise but brittle and DL prone like him, and like Martinek.
It may be a mistake to pencil him in as a certain core component on D.
Safer to plan on him being gravy.
he's 20
no reason to peg him as injury prone yet
These comments crawl up from the depths of the deepest Chasm of Saar
Maybe you're right ...
and I hope I’m wrong.
It’s partly a defense mechanism (pun intended) but I’m accustomed to really talented d-men having half a career because their injury prone or just plain brittle.
It’s been a trademark of this franshise for 15 years.
He's a Dman
and plays for the Isles…..he’s injury prone
by 4PeatSake on Nov 16, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Fixed
He’s a D man and he plays for the Isles, he’s injury-prone.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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NHL=8+ defensemen
We can’t ice 5 NHL caliber defensemen. Katic, deHaan, Donovan, Ness… the first wave of defensive reinforcements is not one that I’d call sturdily built. The second wave should be better, but they’re three years away.
That’s why I urge asset management and have Snow actively seeking top notch defenders with the forwards he has available.
It is, however, hard to do when you’re scoring less than 2 a game. Their biggest asset is cap space, so be prepared for an over-paid defenseman costing us a middle six forward.
Would anybody trade Nielsen for Suter right now? Bailey + a first rounder?
How high do we bid on Bogosian if he comes available?
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for suter
I will overpay him of it means he gets here, but THE FRANS stays
screw homework, its all about islanders hockey
by DarthDoyle on Nov 16, 2011 10:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Suter is UFA next year, no?
I don’t want to sell the farm for a UFA.
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by Fabtraption on Nov 16, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
This
I’m not ready to blow the whole thing up for some markedly small improvement this year.
Yes, I hoped they would compete for the playoffs this year, based on how last season ended. But I also recognized they very well might not. I’d rather them end up with another lottery pick than trade a piece with upside for a patch.
This doesn’t mean I’m against trading a quality piece for an improvement on the blueline. But that defensman needs to fit the plan; i.e. needs to either have some RFA years left or be signed to a decent contract with a few years left.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
by afrosupreme on Nov 16, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If you think Suter is a "patch"...
then we are misunderstanding something. Suter would be a TOP pair D on this team. And even though he is a UFA next year… Frans could easily price himself off the Island… and if they don’t qualify Comeau (almost happened this year) we lose him for nothing anyway.
And Suter wouldn’t be the only target. You just have to get somebody worth something in here instead of sitting on a pile of tradeable assets. This team is just too thin on D, and that will continue next year, and probably the year after that…
I don’t want three more lottery picks for the Quebec Le Temps.
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I’m calling him a patch because he’d be here for a few months and then would probably be gone.
He’s an awesome player and if they could somehow bring him in as a FA I’d be ecstatic, but I don’t want to give up something significant (which it would take to get him) for x number of games in a season I don’t think we’re going to much damage anyway.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
Frans is a UFA as well.
I’d like to sign both… it’s highly likely they don’t sign either. I’d make Frans a comfortable offer tomorrow… I don’t think they can REALLY negotiate until 2012, but if you can’t get a gentleman’s agreement for something like $3M for 5 years, then you might want to start shopping him.
to try and lure suter next year might cost over $6M and be at least a 5 year comittment.
I hate even talking about shopping Frans… but it might become a reality.
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Would Nashville trade a UFA for UFA?
Unless Frans is the missing link to getting Nashvlle to the playoffs, I don’t see him being a key piece of a trade for Suter.
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by Fabtraption on Nov 16, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Correction "Weber" will make Ehrhoff look cheap.
Suter isn’t gonna get “top dollar”. He isn’t Doughty and isn’t Captain/goal-scoring suter. I think Suter is gonna be ~$5.5-$6mil/yr, nothing insane, no more then $6.5mil/yr. He isn’t a huge offensive force like Weber, but is better defensively. Offense makes money in FA for d-men, defense makes less. He won’t break the bank and will earn his money better then a Weber or Ehrhoff or Wisniewski.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
If we could get Suter
for $6million that would be awesome and worth it.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
It's time to go in-depth.
Obviously I think Suter is getting 5.5-6mil/yr. But Ehrhoff “money”, as in Ehrhoff making $7.5mil/yr in his 1st 4yrs or even $6mil/yr over 5 in his front loaded contract, no I don’t think Suter is gonna get more then $6mil/yr on a multiyear deal (6.5mil/yr tops). Ehrhoff cap hit? Sure, 4mil is low, I don’t think anyone is signing Suter to a 12/13yr cap-circumvention style deal with a low cap hit till he’s 40. But I still don’t think Suter is getting more then $6mil/yr on a multiyear deal. Compared to wizniewski, it’ll likely be similar as I said likely $5.5-$6mil/yr. Both Ehrhoff and Wiz’s deals were arguably overpayments easily. Just compare Suter to other d-men with multiyear deals, only 9 d-men in the nhl have over a $6mil/yr cap-hit. Is Suter a top 10 nhl d-man? 2-way maybe, offensively no, and that’s where people make their money. Just look at “comparative” higher minute d-men (more D then O, but arguably decent/above-par O or top d before their contract): Paul Martin=$5mil/yr, Seabrook=$5.8mil/yr, Bieksa=$4.6mil/yr, Hamhuis=$4.5mil/yr, Komisarek=$4.5mil/yr, Volchenkov=$4.3mil/yr. I think you are overestimating what Suter is gonna make because he just isn’t a huge offensive player, he’s excellent defensively, an elite defensive d you could say. But offense gets money and defense comes 2ndly in the pay scale, and Suter has mostly been a ~35-40pts d-man while getting a lot of PP time. They “inflate” his stats a little with that pp time.
I’ll ask you a question, what do you think he’s gonna get per year? 6.5-7mil/yr range?
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Looking at the numbers, you make a compelling argument
Suter may sign shorter and get more, I didn’t recall how ridiculously high the Wiz is paid. You can never guess the way some GMs will spend money like a drunken sailor. It may come down to who else is available next summer.
Erhoff met a perfect storm of Buffalo finding money to burn and no other free agent D of note available. It isn’t always about ability, it is about ability when your reach UFA status and who else is on the open market. Hard to put a number because I keep thinking it would be “fair” if he gets $6 million a season for 5 seasons, based on past deals (and that is high), but there is always a GM that goes all Sather and outbids themselves. Darcy Regier was always sane and he gave Erhoff crazy money.
So having no compelling argument other than Suter is better than Erhoff and GMs are crazy, I’ll concede you are right.
The Predators would NEVER trade Suter for Nielsen LOL I love Nielsen and I know how underrated he is, but come on. Be reasonable.
Also, Bailey has value, but he alone and a first aren’t getting you Suter. You have to add another prospect to that deal. Bailey, Brock Nelson, and a 1st is a decent first offer for Suter.
well
I think that’s a good offer from both clubs’ POV – but if it looks like he’s not signing, it’s possible to get him for less, or even just sign him after the year ends. I would favor the former, so he actually has a chance to play with the Isles and (hopefully) see that they do still have a lot of promise, and that he would be a key contributor to them. People like to feel needed and appreciated, and they also like to have a fighting chance.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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But you have to take Nashville's situation into account. They are/have been a budget/cap-floor team forever.
They just gave Rinne a “huge” extension, they need to resign Weber “their captain”, and they are already looking at a budget $5mil over this year’s just by keeping Weber and their RFA’s. They wanna keep Suter? They have to pay him what he’s worth: $5mil+/yr. They wanna do that, they either have to increase their budget by $10mil next year(highly unlikely) or cut forward depth(which they can’t afford because their offense is already abysmal).
Reality is, they need to move Suter or Weber before the trade deadline or likely lose Suter for nothing in UFA.
What JP is perfect. Offer frans a fair extension, if he doesn’t like it, move him. Why would we wanna lose Frans for nothing? Similar to Nashville with Suter. Or even, is frans in the team’s longterm plans? He’s 28 next season and most of our “highly touted” draft picks(Nino/Strome/next-year’s 1st rnder/Lee/Nelson/Donovan/DeHaan/Hamonic) aren’t gonna hit their primes for a good 4-5yrs.
It’s not like Suter is signed for 3yrs or something. I think on the trade market he isn’t worth more then a . Let’s not underrate Frans either, he is an “elite” checking center with some top 6 offensive capabilities. Think a small tier under Patrice Bergeron or very similar to Jordan Staal. That’s close to what Frans is without the NHL team success.
I think Nielsen and a Comeau/2nd/3rd would get it done or something like Nelson and Comeau and a 3rd.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
That's why I'd hold Frans if I could
If you sign him for four years, it’s not like he’s going to be terrible by the end of it. There’s nothing to suggest that he’s going into decline yet. Why couldn’t he extend his near-prime years to 33 or so?
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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We could, and I'd agree we should. Especially if we can keep him for $3mil/yr.
Anything more and I’m not sure. I’m not saying he won’t earn it, but I’m not sure we should give over $3mil/yr to our 2nd line center on a budget team who has a frail build and who’s offense could decline in the next couple years. 5yrs is a long contract for him and us. Lee and Nelson’s ELC’s could be expired by then, I expect Strome and Nino needing extensions by then, Hamonic is gonna need an extension. I love Frans and he’s an incredible center, but if the youth is what has been our motto forever and we are a budget team for the foreseeable future, giving a player a contract into his mid-30’s isn’t the smartest thing. We’ve done that a number of times and it’s bit us in the ass (witt, eaton, mottau, martinek(fragility), hunter, the late berard experiment, ). Older players on our team recently have bit us in the ass more then helped us and earned their paychecks. Just saying.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
good point
Frans is younger than any of those other guys, though, except for Trent Hunter, and Trent was constantly hurt the past few years.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Playoff revenues
Reality is, they need to move Suter or Weber before the trade deadline or likely lose Suter for nothing in UFA.
If Nashville needs Suter or Weber to make the playoffs they don’t trade them because they need the playoff cash as much as any market out there. Making the extra playoff money may even be the difference in their ability to sign either of those two players in the off-season as well.
by Hockey1919 on Nov 17, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree
I’d think you’d lose some fans along the way if you traded one of your best defensemen prior to a playoff run, especially one that could possibly do some damage.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
by afrosupreme on Nov 17, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Interesting. How much money do teams make "per round" from playoff revenues really?
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
I say this, because $5.5mil-$6mil/yr is a lot of dough to resign him, and I'm not sure 1 or 2 rounds of playoff hockey will pay for that.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
It is in the millions, players don't get paid any extra for playoff games.
A lot ot teams go from in the red to black based on the playoffs. This is all extra cash. Figure 15,000 per game in attendance at an average ticket of $60 and a minimum 2 home games = $1.8 million is a low estimation, not all profits of course, but not including concessions, parking additional television revenue for ad sales etc.
i think you need to move
some of those around, like 678 to 123
and with weight on the pp coaching scene, 10 will never happen
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This is true...
with weight on the pp coaching scene, 10 will never happen
Another reason for my anti-weight rants lately. Especially being that Rolston on the ice + Weight behind the bench is a 100% guarentee we’ll see a forward on the point.
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@JPinVA
Honestly, weight on the PP would be better then Rolston right now.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
by OzzyFan on Nov 16, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree 100% on all moves
Rolston and Pandolfo are finished as NHL players. The bottom 2 lines need to play like somebody is going to take my ice time. Coincidence Comeau played better now that Nino is around…I’d like to think not…skate hard or you will sit..and maybe the guy brought up is actually just as talented as you are…so you may never get back out there. And there is finally enough depth in the top 2 lines to let younger players come up and not have to go at it with the top fwds on the other team. Own up to the mistakes, make the changes, the veteran presence is being more than offset by a serious decline in skill.
No more forwards on the PP point
Was Comeau the lone defender on one PP at the point? This must not happen. I’m okay with Frans there, but really prefer him sticking to the defensive end.
With the shifting I saw yesterday, JT was on the point some time for the PP because Rolston floated.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Streit
is the lone dman for PP1. It’s him, PAP, Frans, JT, Moulson. But he sits alone on the point in the center of the blueline.
PP2 last night didn’t get a lot of time yesterday but involved Hamonic, Rolston, Nino, BC, and Grabner with a little Bailey and Amac mixed in. Hamonic and AMac need to be paired on PP2 at the very least-they really work well moving the puck between each other and the forwards. Honestly, they should probably hold down PP1 because the Lone Streit Approach doesn’t look effective.
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damnit isles (and josh)
worst was waking up to my FB wall littered with Rag Fan Rhetoric – ARGH!
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oh josh
After readig that article on josh and grabs, josh needs to step back, take a deep breath, and rethink about how he is playing. He knows the type of player he is and can become, as do we all. He needs to tt back to basics and play his own form of RSH, he needs to play his game the way he did when we drafted him. He’s a great guy, and we know he can play, he knows it too. He is just tying too hard to do too much.
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by DarthDoyle on Nov 16, 2011 10:19 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
He's a Nickelback fan
Once that changes, THEN I’ll get on board the Bailey Train.
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by Fabtraption on Nov 16, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ive never quite undetstood the nickelback hate
I don’t hate em or like em…kinda indifferent
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by DarthDoyle on Nov 16, 2011 10:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
They're the Canadian Creed
That’s bad enough right there.
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by Fabtraption on Nov 16, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
seeing as i never listened to creed
I’m glad my parents raised me on Clapton, Pink Floyd, Zep, Rolling Stones, etc…aka the good stuff
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by DarthDoyle on Nov 16, 2011 10:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
I grew up listening to punk, ska, and the music of the 90s
S…I don’t know what that says about my levels of taste.
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by Fabtraption on Nov 16, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
thats more than half of my collection
I love Ska, saw Reel Big Fish and Streetlight Manifesto over the summer, such a good show. I’m a child of the 90’s growing up with green day, before they sold out, blink 182 and the stuff my parents always played
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by DarthDoyle on Nov 16, 2011 10:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
RBF and Streetlight are playing next week at the Paramount
Yours truly will be there. It’ll probably be my 50th SM show to date because I never learn. Yes, I’m an adult and I still listen to ska.
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by Fabtraption on Nov 16, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
yea i saw that concert posting a few days ago
I was thinking of going but is rather spend my money to buy a ticket for the isles…and there is nothing wrong with listening to ska, its for everyone
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by DarthDoyle on Nov 16, 2011 11:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm hopefully getting tickets for the Isles game from work
and my friend already bought tickets for the concert on Tuesday.
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by Fabtraption on Nov 16, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Fond memories of my ska days
And LI was a good place to grow up listening to it – ska bands were always around. I saw the Toasters (or was it Let’s Go Bowling?) play at some rinky-dink club in Huntington in the 90s – it was on the West Side of New York Ave in Huntington – anyone know if that is still around? Regardless, can’t go wrong with a ska show…
Success was survival and, kid, it still is
by IslesFanInNJ on Nov 16, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
The Toasters are still around
They played at Highline Ballroom on the 6th. Mustard Plug is playing at the Knitting Factory in Brooklyn this Friday, so I’ll definitely be going to that.
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by Fabtraption on Nov 16, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
The mighty might bosstones were awesome
And I don’t know how anyone can possibly think otherwise.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 16, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
That's the impression that I get
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
by afrosupreme on Nov 16, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
That was a great album
But i find some of their other stuff hard to listen to.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 16, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Difference is Grabs never saw NHL ice until recently. Bailey has seen NHL ice since he was 18.
Think the PAP situation. I’m not saying Bailey can’t get better. I’m just saying that Bailey isn’t gonna become amazing. Could he become useful? Sure. Could he become a good 2nd line center? I extremely doubt it.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Bailey
Only continues because he was Snow’s error and now a contiuing project.for him. The effect of this is that we are F——d because our super GM won’t admit an error that from time to time all GM’s make. Ditto for picking up over age rejects instead of better players or giving a shot to prospects. Unfortunately besides Wish the D in BPT is smallish and a year or 2 away in any case. The latest round of piks are bigger and better but more years away. If the Philosophy stands we will of course win some games [last night was an excellent effort], but lose more on the D side. If A a major trade is not made soon, the season from a competetive view will be lost by the year’s end. Poor attendance already a problem could reach embarassing numbers. and hopes for goodPR with a winning season will become very negative for gettinga new arena. Snow/Wang must pull the trigger soon on some daring changes . Because this Feb, with the rental deals will be too little too late.
by altosax on Nov 16, 2011 10:26 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Remove the hangers = more hard work
Rolston and Pandalfo are the biggest culprits (Staios too but he’s looked better than the other two). These are guys looking for one more year of the NHL life. Bodies are older and what motivation is there to really push it since they are on the Island and have about zero percent chance of competing for the cup. It feels like the Rangers of the late 90s were players go to retire (minus the bloated contracts and bloated expectations).
Islanders in the second half last year were a team of young’ns, who flew up and down the ice, trying hard to show what they could do to stick. Prospects were hungry. Everyone eager to play for the new coach and show what they could do. They weren’t world-beating but they certainly had a better direction than this years team.
In conclusion, get rid of these two guys, bring in Haley for some quickness and fire and another offensive prospect desperate to show something. And in the future, if we need more “veteran leadership” someone who isn’t toward the end of their career.
Cap floor?
I have seen a lot of comments about getting rid of Rolston, Pandalfo, Staios, Mottau, Eaton, etc., but they are on the team to keep the Isles above the cap floor as much as anything. Even the idea of waiving Ricky to send him to the minors would be a cap floor problem.
Some people have written that if you fall below the floor, the difference is just distributed to everyone left on the roster, but I have not seen this confirmed anywhere. Is this the case? If not, has anyone seen what is the penalty for falling under the cap?
Cap Floor doesn't matter with Rolston, Pandalfo and Staois
Since I beleive they are all on over 35 contract which count against the cap no matter where they are playing. The only “risk” is that someone takes them off waivers and you lose their salary. At that point who knows what the NHL would do.
This only matters in regards to Rolston
since Rolston signed it 35+ and it’s multiyear. Multiyear is the key.
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by Fabtraption on Nov 16, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
So single season beyond 35 doesn't count?
Wasn’t aware of that provision.
the league doesn't want the older guys to be shut out of the league entirely
If you made the single-year 35+ contracts count against the cap, no matter what, you’d lose some of the older character guys who simply know how to play and be mentors. Teams would lowball them or else go with younger options that afford them more flexibility.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Past their prime
what motivation is there to really push it since they are on the Island
I don’t think it is motivation, it is the fact that they are done, glue factory material. I think they have some pride and the effort is there, they just cannot get it done. Period. They have alwasy been character guys, but character means very little when you can’t lead by example.
I saw Rolston skate faster then he's ever done all year yesterday. lol. He is the prime example of dead weight on the NHL roster.
Yesterday’s game was proof that he’s been coasting. Some others too, but not the extent Rolston has.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
P.A. Parenteau
This is maybe the fourth or fifth time I’ve seen him quoted on team effort, either in the news or in postgame analysis. With his comments and his hard work on the ice this season, I’m starting to wonder whether he should be given an A.
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Great point
And I’m starting to wonder if the other two players who I have seen hustling at all times should maybe get into the mix of "A"’s and "C"’s…..JT and Martin…I never thought JT should be captain this year because of his age, but dagnabbit, if he doesn’t bust his tail at all times while he’s on the ice.
Don’t get me wrong, none of this will do very much to cure the team’s ills, but I’m all for messages being sent when they need to.
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by CharlieIsles on Nov 16, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Martin's very young
so I wouldn’t give him an A. Rolston really should be stripped of his A and it should be given to PAP. I’m cool with Streit with the C and Tavares, Frans, PAP, and Okposo or MacDonald with the A’s.
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by Fabtraption on Nov 16, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
JTs defensive effort
No stick, busting hump and making the play in center ice. The only reason he may not be the Captain is to give someone else something to do. The kid has done eveything and more for this team.
or the team's afraid he'll buckle under the added burden
I mean, expectations on this kid are already sky-high, and he’s delivering. It’s almost too good to be true. Giving him MORE on top of that could be seen as a well-earned reward, but it could also backfire. He’s such a high-quality young man, though, I think he could handle it.
I’d pull the A off Rolston and give it to Frans… I think the other one should be Tavares. I’m not sure who has it now, nor am I sure that I care.
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Seriously
the Rolston “a” is confounding and aggravating right now.
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by Keith Quinn on Nov 16, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Martin
I think someone tweeted (Staple or Strang maybe) that he was running a practice drill yesterday. I thought he seemed an odd choice, but maybe that is the way to reward a guy for hard work and to also communicate that he has clout. I would think something like that leads to “captain” consideration…or maybe just because there’s a rotation or something, who knows?
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I hope next time he calls for the drill where everyone shoots pucks at Rolston.
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by afrosupreme on Nov 16, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I hope he calls for the drill where everyone plays good hockey.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Nov 16, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Are you trying to collapse the universe?
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
by afrosupreme on Nov 16, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Isn't the drill Rolston fires the puck at the net and it hits everyone else?
by Hockey1919 on Nov 16, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No, just Ricks face.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 16, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
He deserves an A more then a couple players that have it right now.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Id say Rolston, Staois and possibly Okposo should lose their A's if they keep this up
Give em to PAP, Frans and maybe Hamonic or Macdonald
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by Zhora on Nov 16, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There are only two A's in any game
The only way you get three associate captains is if there is nobody wearing the C for that game. A player with either an A or the C, if scratched, can be replaced (which is how I think Staios had the A, instead of Okposo).
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I think he meant
rotate the A’s between the four of them, since the Isles right now have 4 A’s (2 for home games, 2 for road games).
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by Fabtraption on Nov 16, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Yes this is what i meant
Sorry, should have clarified that
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Can't we give
an “A” to Bailey, an “S” to Comeau, and an “S” to Rolston, have them on a line together, and call it the…..
Ok, never mind :-)
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by CharlieIsles on Nov 16, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Don't fuck with the SAS line!
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by Fabtraption on Nov 16, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't see a team working hard...
Wherever this hard work is, I must be overlOoking it during every game. Maybe the hard work is disguised greatly by mental mistakes made all over the ice and lack of team structure. For the most part of last nights game I watched the isles play cat and mouse all night with the rangers and lose 90% of the battles along the boards. Capuano making an excuse for baileys putrid clearing attempt defines this team this year. Excuses! If the coach and the team think they’re working hard enough and “deserve” to win games then their problem will never get fixed. Shows a lot about character. Outside of a couple of guys on this team, I don’t see anyone doing anything remotely close enough to “deserve” to be winning games.
by LaFontaine16 on Nov 16, 2011 11:18 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Hmmm
Last night’s game is what it was in reference to, and I’d call it a hard work effort at minimum.
I agree most of the time they have not delivered. And I think Capuano is too quick to back off when he finally unleashes criticism — I think last night he even said they played well at times in Vancouver.
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I'm coming around ...
to what I think JP suggests about doing whatever is needed to get a big time D-man in here. I’ve been a ‘build from the goal out’ fan my whole life and raved all off season to get a blue chip guy in here. Then I thought they may have enough back there to at least get by until the kids (DeHaan, Donovan, Pedan, Mayfield) are ready, but I think I was wrong. Those guys are a couple or few years away IF they pan out. And it’s obvious that a borderline, just competent D-corps is holding this team back, literally hindering it’s development. I’m back to obsessing that building a bigger, better and more skilled transition D-corps must be THE FIRST priority, and if it means giving up players, picks, prospects, triple-s-blue stamps, trinkets (whatever the hell they are) or his whole baseball card collection, the GM needs to do it if he can. There are 4 guys I flat out would not trade in any deal. Maybe 5. Whatever else it takes, do it.
On another note, I love how badly people speak about Bailey- I can't wait until he's good and everyone is saying how much they love him. I'm reminding you all of your comments today!!
Read that checking line article from this morning, “Josh Bailey, meet Michael Grabner.” It’s so true. The kid is 22. He tore up the AHL in 11 games last year. He’s struggling at the NHL level, but he’s shown real talent in his few years, albeit marred by inconsistency. He’s going to figure it out at some point and be a really effective second or third line center, at worst. It would be very Mike Milbury-esque to dump Bailey now and watch him become another Olli Jokinen- dumped by the Islanders because of lack of patience, only to flourish with a more patient team.
I like, not love, Bailey and think it would be a mistake to give up on him now
But last night’s mistake was glaringly brutal and there is no way in good conscience you don’t call him out on it. I don’t expect Cappy to humiliate him in the media, his look on the bench alone tells you he knew he blew it. We as fans, get to vent and go after players for such stupidity. He will take the next step, when he stops doing what he did last night and that give away was completely on him, not Comeau, Rolston or Okposo playing on his wing. He needs patienc, but maybe a little bit of tough love too.
by Hockey1919 on Nov 16, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That play literally cost us the game. Likely cost us OT. And possibly cost us 2pts and the ending of a "losing streak".
That one play “could” kill our momentum for the next game or 2. “could”
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Oh, of course. I'm just talking about the Bailey bashing in general. Last night's clear-fail cost us at least a point. Horrible play.
But there are an incredible amount of people saying how they wouldn’t mind if he were claimed off waivers, or even released, etc. Crazy talk. Unless he’s part of a package for a D-man like Ryan Suter, you don’t give up on your young talent, especially if you’re a rebuilding team like the Islanders.
Different set of expectations?
Perhaps our expectations for the season were too high to begin with? Its starting to feel like we have been hiding beneath the “under construction” blanket for too long now. When do players like Bailey and the rest of the team turn that corner?
This may be the losing streak talking but we can’t keep calling some of these guys kids forever. It makes them less accountable.
by GreekIsles83 on Nov 16, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Clearly the only person to blame for this is Dom
How dare you raise our expectations with your “optimistic attitude” and “not jumping to conclusions after every pick giveaway”.
::shakes fist::
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by Fabtraption on Nov 16, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I accept.
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Bailey will learn
I think one of the reasons Snow picked him was because he is supposed to be a leader-type and character guy. Well if this doesn’t test character, what else will? (Don’t list them, I know – it’s a rhetorical point.) Bailey won’t become the 70-point scorer some had hoped for him to be, but he may be an effective fourth-line player (him and Kyle). So it’s too early to give up on him.
However, bailing on Pandolfo, Eaton, Jurcina, Mottau, Rolston ane even Comeau (no giveaways, though) should be strongly considered. There has to be some legitimate long-term help down in Bridgeport or for trade.
Another couple of bad games and we may be thinking ahead to next year real soon.
Jesus
If we’re looking at Kyle to be a 4th liner, then this rebuild is going a lot slower than we all expected. Not for nothing, but I don’t want to be paying $2.5 million to a 4th liner.
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by Fabtraption on Nov 16, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The thing, if Okposo finds his defense he is a livable checking overpaid 3rd liner.
If he doesn’t find his o or his d, we’re screwed.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
That's what I mean
I’ll begrudgingly accept that if he becomes a checking 3rd liner, but that’s not the hopes I had for him and I think it hurts the Islanders in the long run. He projected as at best a 1st line power forward, at worst 3rd line checker. It just sucks that we’ll get him at his worst instead of at his best.
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checking?
you let me know when he starts doing that again…
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In fairness, in the last game he played, he went way, way off wing to attempt a completely weak sauce and ineffectual hit that left him entirely out of position for the play going the other way.
Progress!
=d
LOL, hee-hee-hee, ha-ha-ha!!!!!! Um, why are you laughing?
What evidence do you have?
by Hey Hanrahan on Nov 16, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Comeau vs Bailey
Right now IMO they get a 2 pik for Comeau and a 3 pik for Bailey. or is it a 3 and a 4? its like having an old used car, they may be better kept and used for what they are – than giving it away in a trade in for a big upgrade.
Have you looked at he upcoming schedule?
Its brutal, especially with the way we have been going. Two weeks from now we will be either in comeback mode, treading water, or up the famous creek.
Wasn’t there a thread a while back about the November schedule and how the Isles would have to come out ahead against all of these teams if you expected them to even compete on the bubble for the playoffs?
:(
=d
I don't remember but
my view all along was that a fast start was essential because previous losing streaks last season put us behind the 8 ball. None of us expected offensive problems.
Don't recall a thread
But I remember posting prior to the season opener that the home opener was a crucial game since the Panthers were the exact team the Islanders would need to beat if they were going to be in contention for a playoff spot.
Beating the top teams in the conference is great, but they those aren’t the teams that they need to beat out.
Maybe
it was my month preview of the schedule. I’m pretty close to saying playoffs are off the table already.
Sucks.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
Was it more than 4 points out after 10 games almost 0% chance of the playoffs.
There was a stat in an article that I thought Elliot FRiedman wrote that put the nail in the coffin of teams that were outnot too many games fairly early in the season. You are what your record says you are and rarely get magically better. Even if you do the hole you dig early makes it impossible to catch up when teams are splitting 4 points for OT losses.
Yea
only two teams more than three points out at the end of October have made the playoffs since the lockout.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
Are the Isles one of them?
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 16, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
No such luck
The Buffalo Sabres were four points in arrears on Nov. 1, 2011. But that’s absolutely cozy compared to the Calgary Flames, who were seven back on Nov. 1, 2007. Those recoveries are impressive, considering 27 other clubs failed to make the playoffs in the past six seasons when falling four points behind by that date.
Link.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
hard workers
One Problem with Bailey is, if he isnt scoring he isnt doing much of anything else, one glaring weakness i noticed since opening night is they dont have any guys going into the corner after pucks, too many guys waiting around for someone else to to go get it, When you have Tavares as your best guy in the corner he might need some help, Blake and Bergenheim come to mind, miss those types, so i hope players like Casey and Ulstrom get here soon, need the bring your lunch pail and hard hat players
by vegz on Nov 16, 2011 12:55 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Belated +/-
+ Nabby
+ JT
+ FN (only other player besides JT who can actually skate the puck through the neutral zone into the offensive zone while maintaining possession)
+ Bailey (just to be a contrarian bastard, plus I hear he was rushed into the NHL, which of course means he was stripped entirely of all hockey sense against his will)
- Streit
- AMac
- Hamonic
Super Minus Ex Plus Alpha: Rolston, Pandolfo, Reasoner
+ Crappy (managed not to pull the goalie at several key points, including the opening faceoff)
- Crappy (managed to play Rolston on both the PP and the PK as well as having the 4th line out during key points late in the 3rd period)
=d
Hamonic was out to lunch on the first goal, I thought. He was otherwise alright — not a “strong” minus, but somewhat disappointing
AMac looked slow as balls, failed to clear the zone at a few key points, and generally could not hit the net even if it were 25 feet wide.
But those guys don’t fall into the Rolston, et al, category.
=d
I thought they were better last night
than in a while. Beasts on that 5 on 3, and every time we sustained pressure in the offensive zone at even strength, it seemed in large part because they were out there. I think our other dmen start sliding back as soon as the puck comes above the circles, because they mostly suck at playing defense.
AMac literally did hit the net though there in the final minute.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
Sad to say, I think the 5-on-3 “success” was mostly a result of the Rangers failure to hit the net and a healthy dose of luck. Plus a really nice play by FN.
That’s not taking much away from them, since a 5-on-3 is almost always driven in large part by those factors, but I guess I’m not going to sing their praises for it either. They didn’t clear the zone or anything — the puck was in there and in the Rangers control for the full two minutes.
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Well yea
lots of luck of course on a 5 on 3, but they actually did knock the puck out of the slot several times. They couldn’t get it out, but the Rangers also didn’t get any clear shots.
Don't make me bring out the Silky.
I thought they did fine on that kill, too
I don’t know if the Rags were too tentative, but it seemed like Ham and Mac always seemed to have good position. Plus isn’t it just harder to clear pucks while on a 5-on-3 PK — you have to get some lucky bounces — otherwise you just don’t have the numbers to cover the open space to get to a loose puck.
Unless of course the Isles are on the PP, in which case they do all the clearing for the opponent.
(OK – I have no basis for that last comment. It just feels right in an AP77-initiated thread)
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by IslesFanInNJ on Nov 16, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Right. They didn’t make any glaring errors in the 5-on-3 and generally played it correctly. But their success — like most success in 5-on-3 shituations — was largely dependent on luck and shoddy shooting by the Rangers.
Oh, man, don’t even get me started on the Isles PP. I totally forgot about that in the Super Minus category.
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Frans did get it out once, IIRC
Then again, that’s Frans. That what he do.
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by skeeterman on Nov 16, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I agree
even through Streit, Amac and Hamonic do a lot of good in between, they did look lost at times, BUT I do have one question though. Are you sure it doesn’t have some thing to do with the play of Bailey, Pandolfo, Reasoner, Rolston, and other forwards.
I see only one forward that really know his defensive duties and that is FN. Tavares and Grabner is close to now, bur the rest of the forward is just not good enough on defensive play.
So for trading FN, I think it will heard the team much more then any one here believe and more than a top defense player will bring. I do believe that lots of the lack in defense also hanging on under performing forwards.
I actually think Crappy was on to something in the start of the year, we need least two balanced top lines, that is why I believe that Moulson – Tavares and Nielsen – Grabner should be where to build from. Just one problem, Okposo, Moulson and Grabner has not scored as much as the team needed.
Why we need least two balanced top line, it is much more difficult to focus your top defense on two lines than on one line.
That strategy would work much better if 3’Th line actually contributes as well. Well Bailey, Comeau and Rolston sucks two.
It makes it ****ing difficult to be in Crappys shoes.
BUT Crappy must wake up and take control! There are something that does not work this year, that worked last year. We must look at new parts on the team, Streit, Okposp, … Rolston, Pandolfo, Stadios, DPm Reasoner or who ever must have lessen their influence on the team.
FN became better last year, when getting the A!
Can you say the same about KO?
It it not always the one that shout highest that have to good influence on a team…
I strongly object!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your’e discriminating against senior citizens. Expect a class action law suit from Ralston and the rest of the gang including Staios who you left out.
These lines make me nauseous (from Isles twitter)
Moulson-Tavares-Grabner; Rolston-Nielsen-Parenteau; Comeau-Reasoner-Okposo, Niederreiter; Martin-Bailey-Pandolfo.
1. Because these liines score two measly goals we should roll with them again??
2. 1st line is too top heavy. Swap PA with Grabner. Nielsen and Grabner are both playing well. They will click on the same line like last year.
3. “Comeau-Reasoner-Okposo, Niederreiter” WTF?? Aren’t there other, more thoughtful places to plug in Nino? Are they going to scratch KO again? Why does it seem that certain players in the lineup have property rights in their spots???
These lines show an utter lack of creativity.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 16, 2011 1:51 PM EST reply actions
Ideally this is my thing
Moulson-Tavares-Okposo/Nino
Grabner-Nielsen-Parenteau
Comeau-Reasoner-Rolston
Martin-Bailey-Pandolfo
Ugh, Rolston and Pandolfo just don’t work with that lineup. I think Bailey, Comeau and Okposo need to be split amongst the four lines – headcases really shouldn’t play together on a line. Ideally I’d put either Okposo or Nino on the top line and then take the remaining guy and replace Rolston. Putting Okposo with Tavares might get him going hopefully.
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Can someone start a "Who's Worse - Rolston or Pandolfo' poll?
It probably isn’t appropriate for a FanShot, but I don’t have time to think through a Fan Post, but I’d like to get that question settled. Thanks in advance.
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by IslesFanInNJ on Nov 16, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on fan expectations
I haven’t really had much of a problem with Pandolfo’s PK abilities, but his 5-on-5 play isn’t great and he doesn’t have much, if any, offensive upside. Considering the Isles have a number of young players who can PK, I can see why some people want him off the team.
Rolston’s been the massive disappointment to me. I didn’t expect him to put up a ton of goals or anything, but smart puck possession, offensive pressure, and backchecking is what I expected out of a veteran making $5 million per year. He needs to stop being in a top 6 position.
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Agree on Pandolfo: Disagree in-part on Rolston
I, too, think Pandolfo has been fine in his role. I think some hold it against him that his mere presence keeps one of the kiddies in BPT, but I think his play has been fine (for his role) and am surprised when some bring him up in the same breath as Rolston, Bailey, Okposo, etc.
I agree with you that Rolston has been terrible. I disagree that this is a surprise.
by Hey Hanrahan on Nov 16, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I expected better, I guess
The guy had a shit first half last season but a strong second half. Unfortunately, the Islanders can’t afford him to be terrible for half a season.
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by Fabtraption on Nov 17, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
You can't make me choose
also, good chance you’ll break the internet.
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Agree completly
But to me there are only four fixed position on the forwards
Moulson – Tavares – ? (PAP/Nino/Okposo/Bailey)
Grabner – Nielsen – ? (PAP/Nino/Comeau/Okposo/Bailey)
? (Martin/Comeau) – ? (Bailey/Reasoner) – ? (Rolston/Pandolfo/Okposo)
? (Comeau/Martin) – ? (Reasoner/Bailey) – ? (Okposo/Pandolfo/Rolston)
The fixed position i my mind is Travares, Molson, Nielsen and Grabner. Only Tavares and Nielsen has play up to expectation (generally).
The ??? I would really like a better option, but for the play seen this season, the preferred order is currently as shown.That mean Reasoner has played better than Bailey, but Reasoner is just not a 3 liner and Bailey is just not a checking center. Bailey is neither a top line center.
As things is now, I would never resign Bailey and Comeau, but I would neither had signed with either Pandolfo.and Reasoner. I would not have traded for Rolston.
if we want to get rid of some of these guys
we need Dom to start with some projections
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Nope
I’m pretty sure that projecting shitty players means that the player above them in the depth chart gets injured. It’s written in the NHL Hockey Gods by-laws.
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by IslesFanInNJ on Nov 16, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
I checked with Gordie Howe and he said you are correct
He met the Hockey gods, when they were kids playing shinny with Doug Weight and actually got the by-laws from them.
It's worth trying
Brian Rolston: 15 goals?
The scary thing is it could happen. And by “it” I mean “every forward above him is stricken with dysentery.”
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dysentery?
what are you playing Oregon Trail (i’m giving my age away here lol)

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I think there has to be some serious consideration given to waiving the ex-devs for flexibility purposes
The problem becomes now that you have to shelter all of those guys by either playing them with guys who will cover their mistakes (which weighs them down) or on the lower lines…or both.
We really need to see what we have in KO, JB and BC in short order…and playing them with guys that they are often either helping to shelter or on lower lines with bad fits in order for them to be adequately sheltered isn’t showing us anything.
Without those guys on the roster, you have a little more flexibility to try JB/BC/KO on line one. You have the ability to bring up BPT players who will either bring the physicality or speed that the team is currently lacking and at least be given a singular burden defensively responsible hockey.
MM/JT/JB or KO
MG/FN/PAP
BC/MR/NN (PP2 showed some nice chemistry with BC/NN/MG, so lines 2 and three can be relatively interchangeable)
MMa/Ullstrom/JDiB (Haley/Gillies as needed)
Guys from line four can be slated up and down the lineup, but I like the flexibility this gives us. MG/NN can play either wing, so whatever. There is nobody to shelter here, this is your sink or swim lineup. Unfortunately also, that forward healthy scratch will probably be run in a rotation almost like how the Yankees use their DH slot. Maybe you don’t even bring up both DiBo and Ullstrom and use one of the existing wings, but still, both of those guys could be helpful in skating other teams into the ground and drawing penalties.
I also liked how the ice time went down for a bunch of guys last night..who seemed to do better with less minutes (BC for instance).
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Dammit!
Thought it was just a Rags fan’s joke.
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