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Islanders vs. Canucks Gameday: Nabokov out West

Last time the Islanders visited a Cup finalist suffering from the real or imaginatively narrated "Cup hangover," the Boston Bruins laid a whooping on them something fierce. The Bruins didn't even need a vicious check by mean Frans Nielsen on poor vulnerable Zdeno Chara to get going.

Six days later, the Isles face the other 2011 finalist, one still wallowing in NHL quasi-.500 and trying to kickstart the ol' heart of a should-be dominant team. Oh, to have such problems.

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Islanders (4-6-3, 15th/E) @ Canucks (8-8-1, 11th/W)
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Nucking and Pucking:
Nucks Misconduct

Usually visits to Vancouver include some mix of: 1) Disparaging dismissal of the visitors, marked by a "Matt Coulston" misspelling or two; 2) Raving about the home team while also scapegoating some 'Nuck in particular. I won't be looking for those, but by all means share them in comments.

Star-divide

Fortunately our network brethren over at Nucks Misconduct assess the game in a sober (yet still witty way). So don't confuse the trolling columnist with the sincere fan.

In Nucks land, GM Pat Gillis made the kind of early-season trade Islanders fans clamor to see Garth Snow make morning, noon and night. David Booth was a big contract to take off Dale Tallon's "it ain't about the money" salary dumping hands, so there was risk to come with that potential reward. Booth has been lining up with Ryan Kesler and naturally people turn to that "Hey, they played with each other as kids, so...CHEMISTRY" meme.

Booth has just one goal in the nine games since the trade, which evokes a certain sense of Comeau-tion, and is minus-7 in those nine games. The lingering question about the Booth acquisition is if he is -- and if not, if he ever will be -- the same after recovering from that Mike Richards hit. If you know me, you know I don't think nine games is enough to tell you much on that front. But it bears watching.

While we're linking Vancouver media, here's a blog post about Michael Grabner, with Matt Moulson and Jack Capuano talking about all those breakaway chances, and how they're not so easy to convert when traveling at light speed.

 

Islanders Topics

Should the Islanders really be starting Evgeni Nabokov against Vancouver, a team that knows him well from his days chasing glory in the Pacific? Well, who knows. Two seasons ago he was 3-1 vs. the Canucks with a .926 save % on 122 shots. The year before he had a shutout and a one-GA performance in two starts against them. Small samples, but at least there's no saying the Canucks have his number.

Make or Break Lineup Day? Nino Niederreiter is most likely available in the next game, at home to the Rangers. They don't have to put him in the lineup right away, but if they want to, who sits? I would expect a big effort from Blake Comeau, with people connecting the dots on him.

For the record Garth Snow says no trades -- Nabokov or otherwise -- are on the horizon. But when has Snow said any different on Nov. 12? But there will be talk.

Sound Tigers: Calvin De Haan took what might be a head injury in last night's game in Bridgeport. Yes, Micheal Haley went after the culprit. [Here's a different Haley fight, from Friday night.] Also: Bridgeport Sound Tigers TV: Movember Commercial

Prospect Love: John Persson with another nice night, among other Isles prospects.

Off Day Fun: The boys rocking staches and NHL 13.

 

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LET'S GO ISLANDERS!!!

No blown leads.

No false trade rumors.

Just a win.

clap-clap-clap/clap/clap

Tavares is Tavares.

by afrosupreme on Nov 13, 2011 1:48 PM EST reply actions  

Miller-Lucic Drama. Lucic flat-out checked a goalie full force "intentionally".

Lucic deserves to be suspended a few games. He could have ended Miller’s career. That’s a pure asshat move. Too bad the Sabres don’t have anybody to really get payback on lucic. I wonder if he’d drop the glove with a Gillies or an Orr or a Shelley? Who are clearly in his weightclass.

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Nov 13, 2011 2:22 PM EST reply actions  

as far as we know you get Schneider, I imagine they are saving Lu for the Chicago game

Go Canucks Go!

by BW79 on Nov 13, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, he is

Who knows how long he’ll be staying in for

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Nov 13, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

wow really? I thought Schneids. But I believe in Lu (even when he’s a bit shaky) so I am happy :)

Go Canucks Go!

by BW79 on Nov 13, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Don’t know what that means for the game vs Chicago

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Nov 13, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

good point, though the hawks game is later in the week so maybe he gets the start for both?

Go Canucks Go!

by BW79 on Nov 13, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm guessing they took a look at the Isles' record...

… and guessed this could be a confidence builder for him.

Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Nov 13, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Or a confidence crusher...

Zandberg posted a stat that said Vancouver is currently 0-4 in their last 4 games against teams with sub .400 winning %. I know the Isles aren’t sub .400….so maybe that’s our saving grace!

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Nov 13, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah really if the team disappears in front of him again or he has a bad night this could be more of a confidence crusher.

I think the team will show up to play tonight though :)

Go Canucks Go!

by BW79 on Nov 13, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

As you know, that's clearly a predictive stat.

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by garik16 on Nov 13, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the jinx?...

…but no thanks. We’re onto you.

Success was survival and, kid, it still is

by IslesFanInNJ on Nov 13, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

Michael Grabner, cha-cha-cha
Plays well for Semi, cha-cha-cha

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Nov 13, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

noooooooo!

That’s only if I hang out here during the game suckas!

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Nov 13, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

The same can be said for Nabokov.

The Isles disappeared in front of him when they played Boston last week. I guess we’re looking at a 10-9 score.

Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Nov 13, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Disrespect!!!!111

so sick of everyone starting their backups against us!

NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
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by Keith Quinn on Nov 13, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

LOL!

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Nov 13, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Can Heatley get thrown in too somehow?

Tavares is Tavares.

by afrosupreme on Nov 13, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

a crazy long contract for a crazy dollar/long contract.

a goalie who is done for a goalie who can still shake it, but I wouldn’t want to take us to the dance.

Thou shalt not recognize false enemies, they are the Rangers, you shall have no other enemies before them.
AND "Thank you Dale Tallon"

by since70too on Nov 13, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Good for Miller for calling out that piece of garbage

Milan Lucic is a player I have always hated. He reminds me of those annoying villains in campy sports movies — he’s bigger than everyone else, he knows it, and he picks on everyone that is smaller than he is. Then, when he’s finished acting like ass, he has that smart-alec grin on his face as if to say “yeah, I did it, so what?”

He is not a player you love to hate. He is a player to simply hate. I would not suddenly like him if he were on my team. I’m surprised no one is really talking about how he went in high on Miller. So not only did he lay a full on body check to a goalie (a major no-no) he hit him illegally. A classless player if there ever was one. But he’s not lumped in with the Cookes and the Averys because, every so often, he manages to deposit one into the back of the net.

by rosey7 on Nov 13, 2011 2:47 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

omg

I hated that shit-eating grin on his face after the hit

I was usually one saying if they are out of the crease then you can hit them (but not like that – that was extreme and out of line) but then I was perusing the rules last night and even the rules state the goalie is not fair game if he’s out of the crease, which made me hate that hit even more than I already did

Go Canucks Go!

by BW79 on Nov 13, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I would normally agree with that but under the charging and goalie interference rules in the book it actually states any contact other than “incidental” with a goalie is not allowed whether they are in or out of the crease. But like I said I didn’t know that before perusing the rules last night :)

Go Canucks Go!

by BW79 on Nov 13, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't know too much about Lucic

But that was pure garbage. Miller came out to play the puck, and did not expect to get hit, that’s why he got blown up.

Which brings me back to the officiating. 2 minutes for charging?!?!?!? Wow. That is completely unreal. I wish I could say I was shocked, but I’m most certainly not. Lucic plays for Boston, and that is one of the chosen teams that gets Winter Classics, TV coverage, constant exposure in commercials. If Lucic plays for the Red Wings, Rangers, Flyers, Penguins, Bruins, and a select few other teams (Can’t think of the NHL’s golden teams right now), he gets a B.S. 2 minute penalty. He plays for one of the other 20 teams, like the Islanders, he gets thrown out. Officiating needs some consistency.

by billymac23 on Nov 13, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Fifteen words

For the record Garth Snow says no trades — Nabokov or otherwise — are on the horizon.

Stainer of mountaintops.

by Chairman Meow on Nov 13, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Last time he was showcased

He got ran in the 1st period. Can;t wait for Showcase the Sequel.

author of "57 Easy Ways to Score More Than 2 Goals a Game"

by Chris McNally on Nov 13, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

They need to play with an "edge."

So far even in there few wins, that tough approach has been missing. You can end up taking penalties and giving up goals, but it also sends a message. Think the Pitt game last season. So far last spring’s Isles are missing in inaction.

by altosax on Nov 13, 2011 3:02 PM EST reply actions  

Hmmm

Hello there Islanders people

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Nov 13, 2011 3:08 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Hey

it’s been a bit. They got you hard at work over at Misconduct?

"Failing upwards! How come I can’t ever seem to do that?" - AP77 on Strang's ESPN Job
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.

by Mark D on Nov 13, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to keep the riffraff out now

And also I’ve been really busy of late and haven’t had time to read multiple SBN sites

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Nov 13, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Wel, well, well

look who it is.

Tavares is Tavares.

by afrosupreme on Nov 13, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Hi, Semi! :)

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Nov 13, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

ah shit

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Nov 13, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Seeing you

reminds me that I wish I could move the semi colon button on my computer. 60% of the time I try to type an apostrophe I end up hitting the semi colon button instead. Its annoying. There are 5 instances in everyone’s life when they will need to use a semi colon. I believe I’ve already experienced 4.

author of "57 Easy Ways to Score More Than 2 Goals a Game"

by Chris McNally on Nov 13, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

showoff

author of "57 Easy Ways to Score More Than 2 Goals a Game"

by Chris McNally on Nov 13, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

My editor tells me I abuse the semi colon; I think he's correct.

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by garik16 on Nov 13, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm; pretty; sure; hes; right;

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by Chris McNally on Nov 13, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

That's an improper use of semicolons; semi-colons are used as conjunctions as if they're the word "and."

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by garik16 on Nov 13, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it all that red meat?

NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
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by Keith Quinn on Nov 13, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Might want to get it checked out

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Nov 13, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

i think cappy

Is making a bad situation worse with his goalie choices. I would play a guy until he lost (unless he was lights out and got no goal support). Once you lose, you sit until the other 2 lose. To me, when juggling 3, thats the only way to have one guy truly emerge as a “number one”, whatever that means anymore. Short point, in my world, its DP’s turn tonight.

by randyboyd on Nov 13, 2011 3:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I have a feeling...

they are using the first 20 games as an extended pre-season for goaltenders. They still need to find things out. My view:
1. Establish #1. Montoya has done that… he will be the number one goalie for the meat of the season.
2. Establish DP health. So far, so good. He’ll get another pair or two before they release Nabby into the goalisphere.
3. Showcase an asset. Nabokov will probably get 10 starts before they trade him. If he can maintain a sub 2.50 GAA and a .920+ SAV% the Isles might get another defensive prospect or a 2nd round pick. I don’t see him being here past the 35th game of the season, but he might get a few 2 or 3 game runs to show he’s healthy and competent.

LighthouseHockey: We saw this coming!
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by JPinVA on Nov 13, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

if they never had any intention

Of keeping nabokov, then what you say makes a lot of sense. If DP can avoid having anything fall off his torso this season, him and toyota would be a very nice duo.

by randyboyd on Nov 13, 2011 4:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

if they never had any intention
Of keeping nabokov, then what you say makes a lot of sense.

A year ago they never had any intention of getting let alone keeping either of them.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Nov 13, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

The issue is this: "IF he can maintain an above .920 SV%"

It’s a gamble. I suspect no.

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by garik16 on Nov 13, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Hello Isles fans :)

Just visiting :) Hoping we see a great game tonight :)

though I would like to see a Nucks win of course ;) but we can agree to disagree on that one :P

Go Canucks Go!

by BW79 on Nov 13, 2011 3:25 PM EST reply actions  

BPT RPT

I was going to save this for Webby’s prospect report… but… did he lose power, or the war against sobriety? Anyway…
I watched the BPT v Springfield last night. BPT looked like the Candiens of the 70’s in the first period… and a lot of that had to do with Nino and Ullstrom. They slowed into a defensive posture and Springfield started getting realy chippy… including running Poulin and attacking deHaan and McNeely.
Haley did a good job of punishing, but Thompson exposed his “dark side” when he unleashed the stash… and Gillies just climbed onto the ice and cold cocked Adam Mair… I think that was more Thompson saying, “you f**k with our blue chippers (deHaan/Poulin) you’re going to get hurt”. Gillies took a double minor, and then the refs added a somewhat mysterious high sticking to GIVE the falcons their first goal. Up 4-1 the tigers played defensively, and they are not good at that.
Players who I paid $6.99 to see:
Ullstrom: Ready for the NHL. He has good instints on the ice. He finds open space, and creates it as well. He also has a really nice shot. He may need to be a bit more physical, but he’s just as physical as Matt Moulson… and skates better.
Nino: Ready to start his career. He played the whole sheet, and was like a shark whenever the puck was available. He’s not the Kyle of old when it comes to puck possession, but when he has it he does a ton more with it. He got two shots off that I thought would have been impossible. He’s playing against AHL competition, but he’d be dominant at the level in 20-40 games… which he does not have.
Wishart: He looked good in the offensive zone. But still a little iffy in his own zone. He refuses to use his size, and in one 3rd period sequence he was lost in space while the Falcons conducted the symphony from behind the Tigers net. He’s just too big to be purely a passing lane defender. Unfortunately he is probably the best option right now.
deHaan: he had a good gaem overall, and when the Tigers were dominating he was moving the puck well. He was wrecked by what I thought was an elbow, but was never mentioned by the Falcon’s play-by-play guy. No replays on the shitty stream.
They are in hershey today. I don’t know enough about the AHL to speak to their performance in regards to last night’s competition, but I do know that scoring more than Hershey will vault them into playoff contender status.
They’ll be in the hunt until their top three players (nino, ullstrom and deHaan) are promoted.
I also havea feeling that deHaan = Rhett. He’s good when he’s healthy, but that may not be too often. I’d be surprised if he didn’t at least get the night off tonight. 3 in 3’s are pretty tough… especially when you get wrecked in the middle tilt.

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by JPinVA on Nov 13, 2011 3:52 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

thanks for that

its time to bring up a bunch of these Forwards – not just El Nino

& No Lost in Space defensemen need apply…

by Cary K on Nov 13, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Nino scored again today (game in progress)

3rd straight game on the penalty shot.

No Sleep 'til....Belmont?

by Anarcurt on Nov 13, 2011 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Ullstrom just scored again too

6th straight game with a goal. He deserves a shot.

No Sleep 'til....Belmont?

by Anarcurt on Nov 13, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Another great game..

for key players…
Ullstrom and Nino score. Nino scores on a really nice penalty shot… highlights should be up soon.
Nilsson seems to have had an amazxing game and earned the first star.
Wishart was +2 until the EN goal for Hershey late.
deHaan did not play… according to the scoresheet.

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@JPinVA

by JPinVA on Nov 13, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

He traveled with the team but did not play.

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by garik16 on Nov 13, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Any word on Lines or DeHaan's status?

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by garik16 on Nov 13, 2011 4:36 PM EST reply actions  

A non-tonight question;

Where’s a good place to buy an Isle jersey? I heard that the NHL shop products are garbage, so where should I buy one?

Stainer of mountaintops.

by Chairman Meow on Nov 13, 2011 7:29 PM EST reply actions  

Apparently

This is a good spot. One of my friends always got a jersey from the Isles store in the Coliseum this season and unless I missed something it seemed like it was sewn on (not ironed like the nhl.com ones)

You wouldn't believe how good the Corsi is for my NHL 12 Be A Pro player.

by ArsenalLI on Nov 13, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

also not always*

You wouldn't believe how good the Corsi is for my NHL 12 Be A Pro player.

by ArsenalLI on Nov 13, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Sportsk is definitely a solid, reliable site

Plus, they’ve been doing it for years, if you’re into that sort of thing.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Nov 13, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll probably just wait until I go to a game to get one.

I don’t want to risk it on what looks like a Russian pirate site.

Stainer of mountaintops.

by Chairman Meow on Nov 13, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

^^^

Okay, apparently it’s not a Russian pirate site.

Stainer of mountaintops.

by Chairman Meow on Nov 13, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, by URL and image you'd think it is

But really, they’re just one of those old-school operations that was like:

“Oh, we do this stuff really well but we should probably have an Internet site I guess.”
>>"Okay I’ll get on that. I think my friend has one of them on ‘GeographyCities’ or something."

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by Dominik on Nov 13, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

so if a guy like lucic

Runs montoya (who many here equate to miller) or, worse, JT, we have no one to answer the bell. Please dont say matt martin, he would be embarassed in a fight with lucic. This junk is still part of the game. We have been lucky so far.

by randyboyd on Nov 13, 2011 7:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Montoya is a good goalie

but he is no Ryan Miller.

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by Fabtraption on Nov 13, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Martin can certainly go above his weight class with someone who doesn't fight all the time

He would not be embarassed. That said, Haley shoul be on this roster.

Thou shalt not recognize false enemies, they are the Rangers, you shall have no other enemies before them.
AND "Thank you Dale Tallon"

by since70too on Nov 13, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Umm, Dude. Guys don't stop running into our goalies because of goons.

They run into goalies because our D lets guys get up close to our goalies and they’re a bit too aggressive.

It’s the result of Eaton/Mottau/Jurcina, not the lack of a goon.

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by garik16 on Nov 13, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Although

it was HamnMac when Al really got run in the third the other night.

Tavares is Tavares.

by afrosupreme on Nov 13, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

though it isn’t really about winning the fight with Lucic (for example) it is more about letting the other team know that you won’t put up with that crap and they will have to answer for it, whether your guy loses the fight or not

Go Canucks Go!

by BW79 on Nov 13, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

but, see

If your protector gets splattered, you kind of have to put up with the crap because sending out a guy who cant do the job is not a deterrant.

by randyboyd on Nov 13, 2011 8:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

well there is the other form of retribution but I don’t agree with “an eye for an eye”

I know what you’re saying, but sometimes it is enough to make the statement at the very least, whether you win the fight or not

Go Canucks Go!

by BW79 on Nov 13, 2011 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

well clearly, i agree

That you have to at least stand up. I just think that, in the present day NHL, every team needs a guy who can win more of those bouts than lose, yet still skate a regular shift. We have such a guy in haley, which is the clear source of my frustration and concern.

by randyboyd on Nov 13, 2011 8:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Not enough Lucics to go around
every team needs a guy who can win more of those bouts than lose

That’s the problem; I don’t think there are 30 of those.

…oh, okay I see you think Haley is one. I have my doubts. I love the guy but he’d need more than a Martin-level transformation just to take a regular shift the way they’re currently deploying the lines, and he’s not as young as Martin so my hopes for his evolution are slimmer. But it could happen.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Nov 13, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

In a way Haley scoring in that Pens game was a bad thing

People tend to over estimate his skill based on it.

You wouldn't believe how good the Corsi is for my NHL 12 Be A Pro player.

by ArsenalLI on Nov 13, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

the way they are currently

Deploying the lines has made them older, slower and less physical and with more, er, uh, sissyness. Much different from the group that showed some promise in the second half last season.

by randyboyd on Nov 13, 2011 8:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

We have arguably the two top enforcers sitting in the AHL

Now that Boogard isn’t an NHL player (not to be insensitive) Gillies would probably be the top heavyweight in the NHL. Haley from what I’ve seen looks like the best middleweight. So while I see your point, our goons are the type that definitely serve as a deterrent.

You wouldn't believe how good the Corsi is for my NHL 12 Be A Pro player.

by ArsenalLI on Nov 13, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

correct

But neither can defend JT from bridgeport.

by randyboyd on Nov 13, 2011 8:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I commented on Monday...

that we don’t even have somebody who can defend against him, nevermind fight him. There isn’t even anybody in the system besides Kichton that might have NHL skills, strength to knock Milan on his ass, and then kick it when he got up…. and that is PURE FANTASY at this point.
Avoid him, or trade for him.

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@JPinVA

by JPinVA on Nov 13, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d pay to see that since Kitchon would be giving up 6" and 40 lbs. Be Howatt-like.

Tavares is Tavares.

by afrosupreme on Nov 13, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

goin on pure nutsack size...

But Kichton is 6’, 190 according to Spokane’s website. You must have been looking at Hockey DB.
That puts him around 6’1" (3 inches shorter) and 205-210(10 lbs lighter) when he hits the NHL… if that ever happens. That is why it’s a FANTASY!

But it wouldn’t be the 5’11" 175 Ness plays at now.

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by JPinVA on Nov 14, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I went by

his Islanders page. NHL page for Lucic as well. I assumed they both had been massaged similarly.

Watching Haley’s last one makes me think he really can go with just about anyone. Byers is listed at 6’3" 203, so not a monster, but not small, and Haley did more than fine.

Tavares is Tavares.

by afrosupreme on Nov 14, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

That's funny...

First, all three have him at different sizes.
Secondly, I was thinking defenseman. You’re right, Haley is an NHL quality McNasty. His talent isn’t built on size but on the ability to get off first and often.

LighthouseHockey: We saw this coming!
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by JPinVA on Nov 14, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's hoping the Isles do better than the Giants

I know it was only a one-touchdown loss, but they were atrocious.

Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Nov 13, 2011 8:09 PM EST reply actions  

I wouldn't say atrocious...

The Eagles were atrocious, the Giants were bad.

Stainer of mountaintops.

by Chairman Meow on Nov 13, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

It is Sunday after all

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Nov 13, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's to a good,

injury free game :)

Go Canucks Go!

by BW79 on Nov 13, 2011 9:05 PM EST reply actions  

Is tis the game thread, too?

Success was survival and, kid, it still is

by IslesFanInNJ on Nov 13, 2011 9:21 PM EST reply actions  

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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.

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