Nino Niederreiter, Trevor Gillies to AHL Bridgeport
As discussed earlier, this is a possibility for Niederreiter only as a conditioning stint (14 days max). Both he and Trevor Gillies skated with the Islanders today but are expected to play for the Sound Tigers tomorrow morning.
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FIRE GARTH SNOW!!!
or not. I don’t know, I’m really tired.
Anyway, this is probably the best news for Nino since it gives him some professional experience outside of the NHL and puts some added pressure on the passengers to finally produce some scoring chances or else sit.
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14 more days of LOLston :(
No, no I kid (mostly).
Hoping that Haley comes around more than once every 75 years.
Others have noted...
…that given his age Rolston’s cap hit exists even if waived.
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 1, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Only if he's not claimed
…though he likely wouldn’t be.
No Sleep 'til....Belmont?
They could just scratch him though now that Gillies was waived, no?
Hoping that Haley comes around more than once every 75 years.
rolston stays IMO
i honestly would think that capuano would lean towards sitting comeau seeing as how at this stage in their careers Nino does what blake does and does it alot better im sure. Rolston is a legitimate powerplay quaterback and a bonafide sniper if the guys can get the puck to him but blakes passing is just awful. Nino Bailey Rolston…. i love it
Rolston has a great shot
but continually misses the net. Give me the younger guy any day. Rolston is slow. Both Bailey and Comeau have improved their games over the past couple of games. Maybe not on the score card, but its visible. They are just waiting to splurge during november.
Maybe for Bailey...
but last I checked, Comeau doesn’t usually show up till March.
by CloseCallJiggs on Nov 1, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
That's right!
Just imagine Comeau, in April!
In May!
IN JUNE!!!!
By June, he ought to be like freakin' Jagr in his prime
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by mikb on Nov 2, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have not seen him hit the net even once this season with his slapshot
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 1, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
He's gotten one off?
I thought they were all blocked.
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A couple hit the boards
Another one is still wending its from the point towarsd the net so I guess my statement above is a bit premature.
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 2, 2011 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
valid
but i really feel as if the other two forwards inconsistancy is a huge factor in this. rolston gets a shot opportunity maybe once or twice a game whereas with nino out there bustin his ass every shift and always playing the body (not one of five games like blake) and actually being a competent passer i believe rolston will receive much more opportunities and be able to not only hit the net , but light it up.
But it seems im in the minority with this thinking so il agree to disagree and accept defeat
Heh
Don’t accept defeat until we actually have proof one way or the other! I don’t think anyone has the secret about what ails that line…just theories.
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by Fabtraption on Nov 2, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Trevor's spot
Who takes Gillies’ roster spot? Does Nino’s conditioning stint count as a spot on the big club?
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 1, 2011 2:43 PM EDT reply actions
To answer my own question
ehornick Eric Hornick
To put Nino on conditioning loan, he became part of 23-man roster. Hence the need to waive Gillies to make room. #isles #nhl #soundtigers
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 1, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
That is really good...
especially if the two weeks don’t count towards the 9 games.
It would be nice to see if he can improve the RW position for Ullstrom and Colliton. If he dominates the AHL the way that Schenn did, then he’s worth his NHL shot. otherwise… they back up the system of meritocracy that should rule a young team with options.
Do they get to fill that spot… and will they do that thursday after they get to see BPT play on wednesday.
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Hornick says no
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Nov 1, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't read it like that.
It reads like that’s why they were forced to waive Gillies… but that shouldn’t mean they can’t fill the 23 man roster. When they had DP on a conditioning stint it didn’t limit them to 22 men on the NHL roster.. did it?
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Ok I have one question, one statement
I actually believe it does mean they can’t fill his roster spot. Whether he is on loan or not, he is not on IR anymore which means he counts towards being one of the 23 men the Isles are allowed to carry. Without making another roster spot open by putting someone on IR or demoting someone, there’s no way to fill Nino’s spot. So the Isles will be carrying around 1 spare D man and 1 spare goalie until Nino returns.
As for Nino’s 9 games, maybe I have this totally wrong, but isn’t it 9 games on the active roster, not 9 games of actualy playing. So, like if Strome was to have stayed with the club and be scratched all 9 games up until now, wouldn’t that have counted and he would’ve had to be returned to Juniors before Thursday or lose his eligibility. That was the way I understood the whole 9 game rule with junior players.
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by Chris McNally on Nov 1, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
That's correct
w/regards to Strome. I have no idea how that applies to Conditioning Stints.
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That's not right
It’s nine games played. In the NHL.
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Regarding 9 games: It's *played*
For example, Bailey’s decision was not made until well into November because he had a wrist injury to open the season his rookie year. Don’t even remember if he was on IR, but it’s games played regardless:
In the event that an 18 year old or 19 year old Player signs an SPC with a Club but does not play at least ten (10) NHL Games in the first season under that SPC, the term of his SPC and his number of years in the Entry Level System shall be extended for a period of one (1) year,It goes on to say it can happen in his second season, too.
Re: Nino, it’s my understanding that a conditioning loan (13.8), by the terms defined in the intro “from the team’s active roster” means he does still take up a roster spot. In contrast, a “Bona Fide Long Term Illnes/Injury Exception Conditioning Loan” specifies that the player does not take up a spot on the 23-man roster, but that move is “solely for the purpose of determining whether the player is fit to play” (not this case). Both clauses are worded to discourage any gaming of the system.
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but he never came back last night from trick or treating so I had to try and make sense of this on my own
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by Chris McNally on Nov 1, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The AHL games would count if he was over 20 at the start of the season
A Player aged 18 or 19 earns a year of professional experience by playing ten (10) or
more NHL Games in a given season. A Player aged 20 or older (or who turns 20
between September 16 and December 31 of the calendar year in which he signs his first
SPC) earns a year of professional experience by playing ten (10) or more Professional
Games under an SPC in a given season.
No Sleep 'til....Belmont?
Conditioning Loan definitely counts against the 23 man roster
“Active Roster” shall be determined as follows: Commencing on the day
prior to the start of the Regular Season, and concluding with each respective Club’s last
NHL Game in a League Year, Active Roster shall include all Players on a Club’s Reserve
List who are signed to an approved and registered SPC, subject to the provisions of
Article 11, and who are not on the Injured Reserve List, Injured Non Roster, designated
Non-Roster, or Loaned. A Player who is on a Conditioning Loan is included on a Club’s
Active Roster. During Training Camp, a Player shall be deemed to be on the Club’s
Active Roster only if he had been on the Club’s Active Roster after the Trade Deadline in
the preceding season on other than an emergency recall basis.
No Sleep 'til....Belmont?
This is all it has to say about the conditioning loans
13.8 Conditioning Loan. Unless a Player consents, he shall not be Loaned on a
Conditioning Loan to a minor league club. Such Conditioning Loan shall not extend for
more than fourteen (14) consecutive days. The Commissioner may take whatever steps
he deems necessary to investigate the circumstances under which a Player is Loaned on a
Conditioning Loan. If the Commissioner has reason to believe or determines that the
Club has used the Conditioning Loan to evade the Re-Entry Waivers, or otherwise
Circumvent any provision of this Agreement, he may take such disciplinary action
against the Club, as he deems appropriate. The Player shall continue, during the period
of such Conditioning Loan, to receive the same Paragraph 1 NHL Salary, and be entitled
to the same benefits, that he would have received had he continued to play with the Club.
No Sleep 'til....Belmont?
Aww, hell, I should've read down here before I replied above
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by Fabtraption on Nov 1, 2011 5:26 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
As my co-worker pointed out, the argument probably would've gone something like this.
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by Fabtraption on Nov 1, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
So Nino can play AHL games for two weeks?
And this is legal according to the CBA b/c he is “on a conditioning stint?”
Lets say he plays 5 or 6 games in the NHL after his conditioning stint and gets hurt again…can the Isles send him back there again for two more weeks for conditioning if he was to get injured again?
This is all good…A few more weeks to see how the current guys perform and it allows them to get Nino rolling with some professional games.
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Yes, legal
Theory being if you have a legit reason to request a conditioning stint for a full NHL player, why wouldn’t you be allowed to do the same with the junior-age kid who you think is a real NHLer.
This really is ideal; glad they went with it. And from what I recall, it’s a little more legit than the LA/Shenn scenario, where he’d been hurt but been around and scratched.
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by Dominik on Nov 1, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am learning a a lot about these LoopHoles
Garth takes advantage of as many of them as he can it seems.
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Its true
Garth seems to dig stuff like this.
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by TheMetalChick on Nov 2, 2011 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Nino to AHL
I was the first to mention it last week as the first comment in the thread. I am suprised the Islanders are actually utilizing the loophole.
by Alex Kinkead on Nov 1, 2011 9:42 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It makes sense
Nino sat out for about a month with the groin injury. Having Nino play in Bridgeport for 2 weeks gives him 6 games to get back into game shape (and I think the Isles may give him 6 games). If I’m reading it correctly, Nino still gets to play in 9 NHL games before the Islanders have to make a decision about Nino.
I support the use of this loophole for Nino.
I'm assuming that Gillies can be called up and that he needs to clear waivers if every time he is sent down. Or does
he need to clear re-entry waivers if we want to call him up?
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