OT: Did Don Cherry Begin 2011-12 by Igniting His Demise?
Listening to Don Cherry's fans explain away his frequently offensive and misinformed rants is kind of like listening to me try to rationalize fighting in hockey to non-hockey fans: Lots of talk of "history," "part of the culture," and "it's complicated," with a good mix of "if you were there you'd understand why."
I can't count the times Cherry has made himself out to be a clown on air -- dealing with serious issues in a simplistic way that reminds one of modern politics' slogan-over-substance routine -- and it's not worth my time to catalog them. Cherry is what he is, and you either tolerate/like him (in decreasing numbers?) or you don't. As society slowly leaves him behind, he'll probably quit one day soon and people will return to remembering his good moments with nostalgia, and sweeping away his ugly moments like you remember your great uncle who used to talk about "those people."
But there's always the danger of him speeding his exit by touching the wrong third rail at the wrong time. Today I'm wondering: Did he do just that by betraying the hockey contingent that is his bread and butter?
He's no friend to players with visors, no friend to Europeans, and if he doesn't know your Canadian hometown he at least views you with suspicion. Last night though, he launched the 2011-12 season of Hockey Night in Canada with a rant that took on members of what you might call "his base."
Worse, he treated them like he treats so many of his soapbox topics: With incorrect information and offensive generalizations.
Puck Daddy has a thorough roundup of the saga, but in short Cherry tossed "turncoat" and "hypocrite" around at retired enforcers he thinks somehow betrayed the brotherhood. Except Cherry was so off the mark, those guys (Chris Nilan, Stu Grimson) are taking to the air today to rip Cherry, whom they considered a "friend." On multiple outlets Nilan has demanded Cherry issue an apology on the next HNIC.
His chastising of Brendan Shanahan for "taking hitting out" of the game is predictable and typically unrefined. That's the business as usual for Cherry and that's exactly what HNIC has him around to do, to continue feeding a certain segment of their audience while riling up the rest. Countless times people have pointed out that the guy with the loud clothes has, in fact, no clothes -- and each time it's explained away as Cherry just being a caricature or old uncle, so don't take it seriously. Certainly no one's going to force him out for upsetting people who think maybe the league should adapt its norms to the speed, size and brain scrambling of today's players.
(When Don Cherry coached "back in the day," did he ever see a player who could move as fast as Michael Grabner or who had as much mass as Zdeno Chara? No.)
But the workings of the NHL and mainstream media are an insider's game. It's not always about what you do, but whom you piss off and at what time. With him applying his usual loose research standards to a population that normally has his back, did he just move his employer and those who influence that employer one big step closer to saying, "You know what, Don? It's time."
In media, as in politics, stranger exits have happened.
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Time to Go to the Old Coach's Home
Cherry never really said anything useful in my opinion. He is a blowhard ,and a big/small bag of wind. Was never a great coach in my mind. He needs to go find himself some “ordinary” clothes, and a nice rocking chair next to a radio playing HNIC braodcasts…..
by Isles in NC on Oct 7, 2011 1:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
What really irritates me about Cherry's rant
…and Milbury’s conference call comments from earlier this week for that matter, is that they seem to always equate “hitting” with DRIVING YOUR ELBOW INTO A GUY’S HEAD WHEN HE’S NOT LOOKING AND POTENTIALLY CAUSING A LIFETIME’S WORTH OF BRAIN DAMAGE.
No one wants to take hitting out of the game. Players should be able to play the game as rough as it was meant to be and have their heads attached to their necks and know what day it is at the same time.
To be honest, I’m surprised the “Chicken Swede” and Russian digs haven’t gotten him off the air already.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
by PGI on Oct 7, 2011 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
you are talking about him today
that is whathe does, gets people talking.
I did think that in the MTL/TOR game there were a lot of guys avoiding hitting. I am not sure how I feel about all these new rules and suspensions. Things are always called a little tighter in the 1st weeks of a season. I hate to see guys off the ice because of the head injuries, but use to like watchingScott Stevens play, and most of his hits would be illegal now. of course Steven wound up hurting himself.
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
Guilty as charged
I generally avoid talking about him, but in this case I’m curious if the rants about “turncoat” former enforcers (not his bit on Stevens and hitting — that’s standard fare from him) — will bring new heat since he just attacked his allies.
I wonder if Cherry has watched the Shanahan “These are legal hits” video. Because there are a ton of great, legal hits there. And in my book, the more NHLers learn how to actually deliver clean checks, the more clean checks there shall be.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Cherry actually showed a number of the high and/or hits to the head by Scott Stevens in the link below
and actually complained bitterly that “we will never see hits like that again.” It was like watching someone explain to an idiot that if you eat shit you could die, and Cherry arguing that he can’t live without such entertainment…the only crime in all of this is that it took the NHL so long to figure out how stupid it was to not only allow hits to the head (particularly sinse they all too often seem to be target star players, perpetrated by lessers)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U7jUbKQYdw
The NHL time/awarenss starts with the death of Bill Masterton during an NHL game from a concussion…it took them till now to figure it out, and finally moved to get it out of the game…hits to the head are not sport, it is cheap, and was done by lesser talents as a means to bridge the talent gap.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Oct 7, 2011 2:18 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Thats was
the part that showed me how idiotic he trully is. He hides behind charity work and the military to enable his Euro hating pro violence rants on the air. Or at least in my opinion.
He didn't say jack shit about Euros.
And you know he hides behind this how?
Nice speculation.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 7, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes not this time he didnt
He pulls at the heartstrings by being pro military and somehow is allowed to be anti Euro calling them cowardst etc.
He told you this?
Every patriot has an agenda?
I guess I’m pro military for what reason exactly? Tell me, you read more of my words than his, so you must know.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 7, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
All my brothers are
in the military, I didnt serve because I had a terrible knee injury as a teen. So please dont act like your the only pro military one here. The truth is he is anti Euro and pro fighting violence. He tugs at heartstrings with his pro military stance on the air. Because after all who can hate him for his other views when he loves the miltary so much
I said I was the only pro military one here?
No, I said since you know why Don is pro military tell me why I am.
You know me as well as you know him. Not at all.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 7, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I said
He hides his rants by being pro miltary on the air and therefore tugging at hearstrings. If others acted said what he says on the air, they wouldnt have a job
Right, because this is America, where evreything is politically correct
That tv show ain’t in America. Or on American tv.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 7, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Have a nice day
I wont respond to your veiled call me stupid because I dont somehow know he is in Canada try.
I called you stupid?
Keep making stuff up, only you and me are reading it.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 7, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
You too
Tooda loo
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 7, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Cherry does use his pro-militarism and Canaidan patriotism to offset his ugly xenophobia.
lostin44 didn’t way he knew why Cherry was pro-miltaristic (although most authoritarians are) -he only said that Cherry uses it do deflect from his bigotry. I think thats a fair statement.
by TMS71 on Oct 7, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm not sure why you are getting angry at lotsin44
He is not saying anything about being pro or antimilitary or political correctness in general, it seems you are extrapolating a lot from his comment about Cherry, and personilizing it as well. .Love him or hate him, Its hard to argue that Don Cherry doesn’t exhibit quite a bit of xenophobia.
by MatthewM11 on Oct 7, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'm not angry
but I don’t like people saying I said things i didn’t say.
And you can talk about zenophobia all you want, right after you tell me where Don was wrong with what he said in that video.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 7, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
First of all
Read again, At no point do I bait or accuse you of anything. If you read the whole article on Puck Daddy and the response from the persons themselves he is acusing them with no proof and less facts. And in my opinion Scott Stevens was dirty. Your the one who took to insults to argue your point. I dont mind disagreeing with anybody, its fun in sports to not have the same opinion. (Note that also he is xenophobic against Euros, In my opinion!!!!)
I wasn't talking about the video, but Cherry in general
Don Cherry has never hid his opinion on European players, which is fine. He is entitled to his opinion. I haven’t commented at all about my own opinion with what Cherry said. Its just that when someone says that Cherry hides behind his charity and military work, he is only talking about Cherry, not anyone else.
My apologies
If I misrtepresented, But was only stating an opinion that he tugs at hearstrings on air to mask some things he is wrong on. He may be really pro military and charity for real reasons. I wont accuse him of not. But I do think that he hides behind his good guy persona to push/say some things
No need to apologize to me because I dont entirely disagree
Not to say he completely disengenuous, but the charity work doesn’t excuse some of his insensitive remarks. I’m not a PC person, and I would be lying if I said I have ever been personally offended, and I think he is entitled to his opinions. When Imus made the nappy headed hoes comment, he and his supporters made reference to his charity work. I was kind of lost as to what one had to do with the other. Charity work doesn’t give you a free pass to say what you want without critism.
You allright, bro?
I’ve never seen HNIC, but I know Don Cherry is pro-Military – I assume Canadian Military first and foremost. It’s no secret.
You know what? The tone of this thread makes me sad.
Let’s get back to things we can all agree on:
1.) Garth Snow needs to go.
2.) Wang is a Cheapass.
3.) Josh Bailey sucks.
4.) Frans. :D
No doubt.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Les, you forgot about how Mario sucks.
And lost, we said bye, i meant mine.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 7, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
You suck
young blood.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Not only that
There is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between hiding wrapping one’s self in the flag and being pro-military.
Politicians do not kiss babies because they love babies.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
And some people are just patriotic because they really are
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 7, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, this is not in dispute.
But suggesting one person hides behind or is able to do things others cannot because of it is not the same as suggesting “every patriot has an agenda.”
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Right
If you actually know that person. he has no clue why Don Cherry is patriotic just like you and I don’t.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 7, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
His patriotism is routinely used as a defense for or pro/con vs other things he does
Personally, I don’t even guess Cherry is smart enough to be patriotic for cynical reasons. And I don’t think he “hides” behind it.
I do think, because I see it all the time, that his appeals to patriotism and the working class are used by his handlers and defenders as ways to excuse other absurd things he says and does and deem them air-worthy.
There’s a lot of nuance here that should not be glossed over, because there are multiple complex issues involved. Doesn’t need to be personal.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Sounds like you may take him too seriously
I look at it like those two guys as a gimmick. Cherry’s words don’t change the world. Me and my frends sit around laughing at him.
But nobody knows why he’s patriotic. That’s just a fact.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 7, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
It doesn't matter why.
He gets away with being a bigot because of it. He probably is patriotic. In my opinion patriotism is a good only up to a point. After that its just mindless. But the point is Cherry gets away with more because of his patriotism.
They may be gimmicky here
but I would assume in Canada, it’s a little different. They take hockey way more seriously obviously…I mean, think about how much we hate Steigs and Errey from Pittsburgh games because of the way they influence their fan base by talking nonsense.
Are you in Canada? Is that popular sentiment with him?
When an icon is making statements to a rabid culture, that can go silly.
NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
Website:Lighthouse HockeyTwitter: @KeithLHHockey
That's a possibility. But to your "intelligent" hockey fans he just seems like a lunatic/extremist on way too much.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Indeed
but my outlook on people is a little bleak. I tend to think most of the world is Yahoo…while there are a limited amount of LLH if you get what I mean.
NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
Website:Lighthouse HockeyTwitter: @KeithLHHockey
Possibly. Sort of like High School again.
LHH=Advanced/AP/Honors students
Yahoo=Mid-level and lower. lol
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
What Don Cherry says in Canada holds a lot of weight...but everyone one knows he puts his foot in his mouth sometimes and says something stupid
just look at how many ppl watched Hockey Night in Canada every Saturday for the last 30 plus years…and how many may tune out parts of the game b/c other than the Fletcher years as GM, the Leafs have been rebuilding since 1967…yet, unlike other sports on TV, most English speaking Canadian Hockey fans make a point of not missing “Coaches Corner”….even those he pisses off
by CanadianIsleslifer on Oct 8, 2011 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I think if he can say
That I said I was pro-head shots, i don’t think what I said was a stretch. The dude was making stuff up about me, acting like everybody couldn’t read what i said.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 7, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Except to that battlin Bily guy
I’ve been pretty cool to everybody here since I’ve been here. But I’m not going let anybody change my words around. Sorry.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 7, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand that; seems to have gotten off on the wrong foot with you both
But if you go back and read the sequence, you made some leaps that did not require anyone changing your words (e.g. “I guess I’m pro military for what reason exactly? Tell me.”). Of course it’s going to spiral.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
He said that he has been cool to everyone since he has been here, but he doesnt think he was particularly cool to you when you first showed up here.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Oct 8, 2011 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Canada has a military? ;)
Playoffs?!?!?! You're talking about Playoffs?!?!
by The Fitz on Oct 7, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Don is very pro US Military
As well and his own country, and yes they have a military.
He always sticks up for us saying he’d rather us have his back than another country. Which is pretty smart when you think about it.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 7, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Who do you think has been doing the heavy lifting against the Taliban while you've been busy in Iraq?
Geesh…we are allies…to think my cousin just return back to N. America a few months back
by CanadianIsleslifer on Oct 8, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Canada does indeed send a significant portion of their military to fight right alongside the US. But when it comes to America, our proportion of the collective western worlds military burden is- insane. It sucks, but the alternative could very well leave Europe and North America devastated by military conquest- which would suck far more.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Oct 8, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Since the end of WWII, which countries have spent anywhere near the U.S. on military?
Russia tried, at least until the cold war ended and then it bankrupted their country…China maybe in more resent times…but they have over a billion ppl, and suposedly now the worlds largest economy…at the end of the day, the US has been annually outspending every country in the world by a considerable margin on military. A large part of the reason why the US military has been pretty much in a different league then the rest of the world’s militaries since the end of World War II (but winning wars is much easier than winning occupations that cost billions and take decades). Prior to that, different story. Canada, is part of the British Empire, which means in the longshot event that one of the few superpowers out there wanted to invade a fellow member of the Commonwealth, all are bound to fight as one to protect it. That is why Canada was in both World Wars from the start, although the US was late to join – after Pearl Harbour in WWII. Of course, as far as DNA is concerned, Canadians and American’s are the same ppl with the same common ancestors – regardless of anyone’s ethnicity. As everyone knows, the US was the former British 13 colonies, our legal systems, etc., have the same common ancestors. Until the second World War, the single greatest threat to Canadian sovereignty was actually the US. These “threats” were made repeatedly over history…first to the British, our first Prime Minister John A. Macdonald, and even in the WWII over the Canadian Arctic. Canada on the other hand has been somewhat politcally shrewd, if you look at the history of the DEW Line (Distant Early Warning, the Canadian PM of the day and government wanted nothing to do with it, calling it a white elephant. Canada was more or less forced to buy it and pay a great share of the huge, multi-million dollar cost to maintain friendly relations, and to keep the US from using military “protection” as a means to threaten Canadian soveriegnty. The DEW line was obscelete by the day it was finished. As soon as the Russians had long range bombers, no need to send planes with bombs…more recently, the current Canadian PM is now buying 50-60 plus some odd fighter gets from US, that do not meet the required needs for our airforce, and it is raising speculation that it is a political purchase.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Oct 8, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
What did Don say wrong?
Those hits looked like Women’s College Hockey. And that’s not a knock on women, but they don’t allow hitting and that’s what you see. Those two hits or lack thereof are ridiculous, and you really think Shenn deserved a boarding for hitting his own head into the wall?
i agree with hits to the head, but do we need the players just skating by each other instead of hitting each other? Wow, i love fast hockey, I love the olympics, but you know what, they still hit in the olympics.
And that article proves Nilan’s a hypocrite. I never said that!!. Well then sue the media outlet who said you did, and don’t be mad at Don. he’s absolutely right about those hypocrites making a name and a career for themselves by themselves, then retiring and saying… hey you don’t get to do it too.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 7, 2011 2:22 PM EDT reply actions
Back in the days we all used to
not wear seatbelts, smoke. Does a guy coming out now against smoking make him ahypocrite because he smoked before. Wrong is wrong
But what's wrong?
What is wrong with hitting in hockey? The only reason this is happening is because Sid got 2 concussions. Nobody cared when Ronnie Francis or Kariya’s brains were on the ice, but the hero gets concussed and lets change the whole sport.
You should be ashamed you think those two hits he showed or didn’t show since they weren’t hits is what you want to watch. have at it, maybe you shoudl check out the NBA.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 7, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a huge leap
The only reason this is happening is because Sid got 2 concussions. Nobody cared when Ronnie Francis or Kariya’s brains were on the ice, but the hero gets concussed and lets change the whole sport.
The body of knowledge has been growing over the last decade. It’s documented. They were talking about this 10 years ago, but they didn’t have the data they have now. Every case has fed the current lens (including Marc Savard and David Booth, who are no one’s heroes). Same with the NFL: When players die with scrambled brains in their early 40s, people take notice and wonder if there is a bigger picture worth investigating.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
hockey fighting and smoking?
Smoking kills almost a half a million people very year.
When hockey fighting or hitting does that, get back to me.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 7, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you for obfuscating my point
Wasnt comparing smoking to hitting in hockey and you know it. saying that if a smoker came out today and said he is anti smoking he shouldnt be called a hypocrite
You haven't made any points
If hockey fighting kills half a million people every year it should be banned, but it doesn’t.
Now tell me what Don said that was wrong. Go ahead. All you did was talk about what he said in the past. What he said in that video is dead on.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 7, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
By the way
Ill leave this alone as neither have you so its not worth arguing with you but notice my last sentense in the original article were I say In my opinion, which by the way I am allowed. You like hitting to the head. Its ok its your opinion. I dont its my opinion. last time I checked I was agreeing with a comment above not disagreeing or attacking any of yours. Have a nice day. I hope you never have a concussion in your life
I like how you make stuff up about me as you go
Like how I said I was the only pro military one here.. I didn’t say that.
I also didn’t say I like hits to the head, I said I can see them trying to get rid of them but we don’t need guys skating by each othr instead of delivering a real legal hockey hit. Of course, you have no clue how to make a point therefore you make shit up and act like everybody can’t read your drivel.
Now I know in your ballet hockey league where the teams wear pink and and baby blue, that might fly, but this is the NHL.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 7, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hitting to the head is not hockey, period.
It was never legal, just ignored…a grey area at best if you will….
checking yes, that’s part of the game…if NHL players can’t adapt, then that tells me that NHL players are really an incredibly stupid, stupid dumbass group as a whole (which they are not), so no need to worry about hits to the head. On this one, Cherry is out to lunch. This has as much to do with the Isles refusal to allow goofs like Pronger and Phaneauf to use JT’s head for target practise as it does Pens wanted Crosby protected from cheapshots.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Oct 7, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Cherry said they should hit people in the head?
i must have missed that part of the video.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 7, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm, ok, friend, i show you that clip of Steven's nailing star players in the head, and emphatically tell you as I shake my head that you'll never see hits like that again...even adding in with emotion that Stevens is a hall of famer????
and you seriously write a response like"Cherry said they should hit people in the head…i must have missed that part of the video." Seriously???
by CanadianIsleslifer on Oct 7, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It seems like your kind of looking at Cherry
Through Rose tinted glasses. Its pretty well documented that Cherry is not a fan of europeans, is very pro military, and likes to drum up nonsense about how players cant drill people in the head like Stevens did. I could see your points about how we dont know Cherry personally if he was someone knew that just became known for this, but Cherry has been around for years spewing this bullshit, so for you to say “when did he ever say he was against europeans” and :how is he supporting head shots" is kind of just ignorant to all the shit hes said in the past
"Mario Lemiuex… I used to respect you."- Turgeon1992
Yeah, I know he doesn't like euros
But this has nothing to do with euros.
And as much as I’m looking through my rose colored glasses, you’re looking through your black tinted googles of hate. :o)
You still didn’t say what was wrong with what he said in that video.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 7, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Im not talking about the video
(havnt even watched it) lol im just referring to the previous comments in this thread. I know he didnt say anything about euros in the video, what im saying is he has a history of saying stupid shit like that. Im not arguing about the video, just arguing your defense of Cherry in general. And i dont hate Cherry, he has his moments, and crazy or not he has the balls to say some things other s dont. But hes still pretty bat-shit sometimes
"Mario Lemiuex… I used to respect you."- Turgeon1992
by Zhora on Oct 7, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, because they protected our players last year
Like when Frans got boarded by gaborik and missed the rest of the season. Yeah, they protected him.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 7, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
not making sense here friend
by Cherry’s logic, Isles had no right to protect their players b/c hits to the head are just great checks! can’t believe we will never be able to see any more of those wonderful Phaneuf hits anymore…could have been a hall of famer
by CanadianIsleslifer on Oct 7, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
No you said they were worried about protecting JT as much as Sid
And I replied that when gaborik used Fransy’s head for a battering ram, they didn’t do squat. They didn’t.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 7, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
your jumping from subject to subject
never saw hit you speak of, but if Isles defended or retaliated, by Cherry’s logic, the player who used Frans head for what you say was merely playing the game…you can not defend Steven’s repeated hits to the head, and mourn on national TV how we will never again see hits to the head like that and not react that Cherry is out to lunch on this issue
by CanadianIsleslifer on Oct 7, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh boy...
Cherry never said boarding is a good thing or that it should be allowed and actually is is PRO no touch icing. . Holy cow.
Yeah, they care about our players.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te4cPelK7Zg
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 7, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
These rules are all about Crosby
Don’t let them fool you.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 7, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of speculation?
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
maybe it was just a coincidence that they starting caring
Right after he got concussed twice after Stevens left road maps across people’s faces for years. Just like 4 drivers die in nascar in a year and nobody cares til dale sr dies or how Tom Brady gets a knee injury, now defensive players can hit qbs only between the belly button and the penis.
It happens. But maybe it’s a coincidence. specualation is correct. Maybe it’s because Fransy got a concussion.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 7, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, the first rule 48 happened before Crosby's hit
They adjusted it again this summer after another year of devastating concussions, including Crosby’s.
They tried to crack down on obstruction for an entire decade but couldn’t get it right. Yes, the lockout helped finally tip the scale. But it wasn’t the only reason.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Wasn't it the Matt Cooke hit on
that fella from the Bruins…blanking on his name…that brought about rule 48?
Savard and Booth were both big factors
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
It started with Savard?
Cooke didn’t get suspended for that hit. Actually, if I recall, he did some other crap after that before he finally got suspended for his hit on Tuytin? sp?
All the suspensions started flying when Sid the dream got hurt. Like I said, I don’t claim it to be fact, could just be a coincidence, but sounds like they want to protect their golden child to me.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 7, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
And steckle didnt get suspended for his hit on Crosby
Your point is?
"Mario Lemiuex… I used to respect you."- Turgeon1992
No, but the suspensions started flying right after
That is my point. They didn’t know at first he would be out that long.
i conceded I could be wrong. Unlike you.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 7, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I never said that i was definitely right either
"Mario Lemiuex… I used to respect you."- Turgeon1992
but protecting the "golden child" now means
that every scrub is offered (in theory) the same protection.
Yes, sometimes it takes a superstar to get hurt for the rules to change
But I think we should be grateful the game has been made safer.
Yep, until the hitting is totally gone
But it’s not yet and I’m ready for tomorrow night to get here.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 7, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
The hitting will never be totally gone and noone is trying to take it away.
They’re trying to dramatically reduce the number of concussions. Also most of the hits that have injured people were either late or just predatory and did not create any advantage for hitter’s team.
by TMS71 on Oct 7, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
yeah, I'm ready for tomorrow night
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 7, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Plenty of things -- but I'm not even talking about the hitting part of the video
making a name and a career for themselves by themselves, then retiring and saying… hey you don’t get to do it too.
First of all, what he said was misleading at best. Second, are you saying a career enforcer can’t come out and advocate against fighting if he has 1) new information or 2) a change of perspective? So a former tobacco exec can’t come out and say, “You know what, nicotine is addictive and smoking leads to lung cancer, it’s a bad idea.”?
What Cherry did that was wrong was his typical formula: Take several loosely related events, tie them together in a package to serve his rant, and don’t bother whether he has the details right, or whether he’s smeared someone in the process. He does it all the time, but this time I wonder if it hurts more because he’s attacked traditional allies.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
by Dominik on Oct 7, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
At least you can tell me what he said that was wrong
Sure but what evidence do they have to prove fighting is bad? Hits to the head yes, but fighting? they say a hockey player can punch with 70 percent of the power on skates and ice as he can on his feet.
And he’s not saying hitting is dead yet,, I took that as more of a warning as to what it’s coming to. And when they start skating by each other like that all the time, it will be ugly.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 7, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't want to see hitting and fighting go either
But I also don’t want to see some guy’s career ended-or worse, do to a dirty hit. In my opinion the new rules are good, and while the league may be softer for a few years, players will learn how to avoid dirty hits and hit cleanly. Hitting is an important part of the game and will never dissapear.
Don Cherry:
Amerk for life.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 7, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Don Cherry reminds me of Mickey Rooney
Strictly looks of course. During his crazy rants I half expect a 16 year old Judy Garland to appear and them to start singing about organizing a dance at the old barn behind Pa’s farm.
he does look like Rooney, always thought that too.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 7, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like Mickey...
Rants like Andy.
Who cares... John Tavares is here until 2017-18!!!
by JPinVA on Oct 7, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No one is trying to take hitting away. No one. No one even wants it gone. You are making an invalid slippery slope argument.
You are saying nothing should be done to reduce head injuries because it will inevitably lead to a ban on all hitting. That’s ridiculous. There were hundreds of hits in preseason and only a few suspensions.
You make fighting sound like a jobs program.
Fewer fighters in the league means more hockey players. Same number of jobs.
Why so much hostility? It's this simple: do you agree or disagree that hits to the head should be illegal?
Everything else doesn’t matter.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
This original post was not about hitting, but about Cherry vs. his fighter boys
That said, on the topic of hitting and the fear Shanabans will remove it from the game, I found the David Backes interview a damn good read.
Backes hits like a truck and doesn’t go head-hunting nor racking up suspensions. His thoughts are exactly how I’ve viewed checking for two decades. It’s a skill, not a right. If players are backing off right now, then good: They should be focused on delivering legal devastating checks, not checking everything that moves simply because they can reach it.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
by Dominik on Oct 7, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If the head hunters and intent to injure hits are gone, Shanahan will have done his job and get an A+ in my book.
I think BNOY is overreacting a bit. I’ve seen tons of hard legal hits. Obviously some don’t look like much, but if you think eliminating the head and “intent to injure” hits eliminates a lot of the physicality I’d say your wrong. And there are a number of legal heavy nhl hitters that would disagree with him. One on our own team in Martin just for instance.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Cherry is impossible to explain to a casual fan
Like fighting, when a casual fan sees Don Cherry they need an explanation. When there is no reasonable explanation forthcoming, and there isn’t, it turns them off. His presence lends itself more to professional wrestling, than to a serious upper tier competitive sport. Aside from all his ridiculous rants, the guy should be let go because he creates a barrier that casual fans will not cross.
My one problem with Cherry being fired
Is that they’ll just replace him with Milbury, who shouldn’t be analyzing hockey anywhere. At least Cherry has a ring, and a fashion sense.
"Failing upwards! How come I can’t ever seem to do that?" - AP77 on Strang's ESPN Job
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
True dat
Milbury probably would get the gig. And at least for Isles fans, that would be worse.
by CloseCallJiggs on Oct 7, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
He has fashion alright
But it does NOT make sense.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Oct 7, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Why not replace him with avery then? :)
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Every once in a while he hits a home run though
And itt’s usually when he wears something not plaid.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 7, 2011 2:47 PM EDT reply actions
yes, Cherry does speak to the core working class hockey man frequently enough...but he also makes an ass of himself from time to time
by CanadianIsleslifer on Oct 7, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
As do all the clowns on tv
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 7, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
When he came out against Matt cooke last year(but then again, so did everyone)
he was making perfect sense, unfortunately sometimes the darts are way off mark
"Mario Lemiuex… I used to respect you."- Turgeon1992
I wonder...............
whether hockey helmets could be radically improved to cut down on injuries? It seems in a world where for instance head on car crashes result in many fewer injuries and deaths due to the car itself absorbing the energy, that helmets might be radically redesigned to do something similar. I’m sure they are working on this, or unfortunately it has been determined to be impossible.
They've tried it
But the larger problem still remains that your brain is going to change direction inside your cranium and collide with your skull. There’s only so much a better shell around the outside of your skull can do to reduce that change in direction.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
by Dominik on Oct 7, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed.
The difference between a car’s front end crumpling and taking 2-3 feet to absorb the shock of a 100 km/h collision and a hockey helmet stopping your head travelling at 50km/h over the space of 1/4-1/2 inch (max) is pretty substantial. It’s not the impact of the head against the glass that causes the problem; it’s the impact of the brain agin’ the skull. No helmet can stop that.
Mouth guards can help in some cases, but for the most part, the problem is with the laws of physics.
STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Oct 7, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bro, you're pretty smart
can you explain that in central New Yorker from the 315 terms for me?;o)
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 7, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
You could make the helmets huge - think Mr Met's head and then put a really soft cusion inside.
I think that would do the trick – and it’d be hilarious to watch.
speaking of helmets
If forwards and defense men know have to wear their numbers on the front, why don’t net minders?
Back....
had to take a Campbell and wipe my Bettman.
I'm all for killing, maiming and destroying my nemesis Kiiiiiirk with a blow ro the head but...
if you cant enjoy hockey without fighting or hits to the head then you have serious issues with the sport itself
by Khan Noonien Singh on Oct 7, 2011 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Don Cherry is, unfortunately, a part of a vanishing era
I, for one, think he’s way over the top calling Nilan and the others out for hypocrisy. I also think he’s way off base in relation to the issue of hitting in hockey. But what is missed here is that the two don’t really relate directly to each other.
The evidence is becoming pretty clear that concussions in hockey are a huge ongoing problem. They have been for years; we just didn’t know it. No one in their right mind would call Richard Martin a banger or a fighter, but the evidence is pretty clear that he suffered from serious brain damage simply from playing.
What Scott Stevens did, routinely, and what we all feel that players like FrankenPhaneuf do currently, is a serious threat to the long and short term health and safety of players. Of lesser importance is the threat that these headhunting moves pose to the game as a whole, in that they risk removing star players from the game for extended periods of time. That this is (I would argue, FINALLY) being addressed by the Powers that Be is a good thing, IMO. Once players recognize that they must keep their elbows down and take a reasonable level of responsibility for not deliberately plowing guys into the middle of next week, simply becuse they CAN, the game will be better.
Chris Nilan, Stu Grimson, Georges Laraque. These guys are in a unique position to tell the world about the realities of being a fighter in the NHL. The stress involved in having oyur sole duty be the deliberate provoking and carrying out of bare knuckle fisticuffs while on skates againt another guy who is quite prepared to throw down with you, and doing that solely for the purpose of entertainment must be awful. It’s no surprise that many of them turned to painkillers and alcohol. Depression and even suicide following the end of any sports career is not unheard of in hockey or any other sport. When those feelings are coupled with or exacerbated by brain damage caused by too many blows to the head, then it should, IMO, be closely examined.
Nilan et al have every right to state their position. Cherry has every right to state his. That Cherry does so by attacking them personally takes away most of the impact of what he says. It’s disappointing bu not surprising.
A debate can be informative. It can be interesting. It can be amusing. It should not be personal.
I may have more to say later. Right now its a beautiful day and I’m going home.
STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Oct 7, 2011 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
Very nicely put
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Exactly - if it was just a matter of getting your bell rung and your pride hurt but you were back to normal and no worse
for wear the next day it would be no big deal. We thought that’s what it was too. For years and years that was the impression eveyone was under. Now we know thats not the case and knowing that we can’t go on the same way. It’s over, you’re right.
Don, you ignorant slut!
Well done NSIF.
I do enjoy a good DC rant once in a while… and he does take me back to an era that I greatly enjoyed. But if we are going to take this game to the 21st century there will have to be a new road. It’s gonna be bumpy, but I trust Shanny (though, small sample) driving on it. Cherry is still getting is only getting his drivers licence because the AARP is too powerful a lobby.
“I want to die in my sleep like my grandfather…. not yelling and screaming like the rest of the people in the car”
Who cares... John Tavares is here until 2017-18!!!
by JPinVA on Oct 7, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sam Kinison is back
Oh boy.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 7, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm scared by the comments on this......
Islanders home opener tomorrow!!!! I’m pumped for that. Don’t really care what a blowhard like Cherry says. Just says stuff for ratings! Just like a Howard Stern or a Rush Limbaugh. They don’t believe 80% of the stuff they say. Just say it for the reaction.
Playoffs?!?!?! You're talking about Playoffs?!?!
by The Fitz on Oct 7, 2011 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, stuff's been really tense around here lately. No hockey is catching up with people maybe? lol. Let's go isles.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
No hockey is catching up with people maybe? lol.
I think it is! We will all be better off when we are talking about actual games. Thank god, less than 25 hours to go! :D
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Oct 7, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don Cherry
A little off topic here but speaking of obnoxious blowhards I don’t like Dan Kinjerkski of the Fourth Period radio show. I just had to get that off my chest.
There I feel much better now.
Ha, don't know who we is
But we’re here for you.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
The Jerk
I might have spelled his name wrong by “mistake”. The proper spelling is Kingerski I think. Not sure how I messed that up.
It doesn’t surprise me that you don’t know who he is because I wouldn’t consider him to be overly relevant.
On his radio show just recently he had Sean Leahy of Puck Daddy on and he asked him who one of the surprise teams of the Eastern Conference might be and Leahy mentioned the Islanders and Kinjerkski (there I did it again) just about had a fit to the point where Leahy actually laughed and said “you don’t like the Islanders?” Kinjerkski answered that “the Islanders are not one of my favorite teams”.
Also last year Kinjerkski went on a hydrophobic rant about the Islanders and Penguins “debacle”. You probably know where 100%of the blame for that one went.
Anyhoo to make a short story long Dom I really don’t like him.
by Isle Of Weight on Oct 8, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Here is Milbury's one upsmanship from today
You can almost feel the spittle hitting you in the face
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/21134540/vp/44820694#44820694
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The best part is the very end when he says, and I quote
“We’ve talked about this every period and I’m starting to piss me off.”
That’s our, Mike. He’s even mad at himself for things he’s been talking about.
For what it’s worth, I don’t think either of the hits (or one push and one punch) that they talk about is suspension-worthy. I think Jones may be trying to play the role of the Good Cop in the shoutfest. Zucharello’s push was ill-advised, but not grotesque.
At some point, players will figure out what’s OK.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
by PGI on Oct 7, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree on the hit
And on the marveling at Milbury.
I mean, I watch him go and see his gears move and just think, “Yep. You were in charge of our team. For a decade.”
On the hit, I don’t think it needs a suspension — it could have been an incidental sort of mid-direction change and reach your arms out to brace for a near conclusion. He certainly didn’t drive him. But if they suspended him I wouldn’t whine because regardless of severity, you’ve no business pushing a guy from behind, particularly when he doesn’t have the puck and thus isn’t expecting contact. That’s a lesson I don’t mind them overteaching.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
If a guy bigger than Zucarello does that though
it’s a way bigger deal…that may be why they have to do it.
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Yeah, if Zucs did that, somebody bigger could throw someone on the IR doing that.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Zucarello
KatieStrangESPN Katie Strang
Rangers Zuccarello fined $2,500 for hit — ESPN New York — espn.go.com/blog/new-york/…
17 minutes ago
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Don Cherry ...
is a cartoon character.
I take Courageous Cat and Minute Mouse more seriously.
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