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Recap: Penguins 3 (EN), Islanders 0 - Progress, oddly enough

"Alright alright, let's not go all February on each other."

Calling a frustrating 3-0 loss "progress" is in no way meant to put lipstick on a pig. And it certainly strains belief for some to think the Islanders improved over recent games on this night. But to my eye and several objective measures, they did. We were fretting about 5-on-5 play, and they improved it.

They carried play for the first period, outshooting (13-7) and outchancing the Penguins until a late low-percentage shot by Brian Rolston and an awful read by Blake Comeau left Steve Staios out to dry and freed Pascal Dupuis for a breakaway goal.

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That's the cruelty of hockey, really. Both goalies were good at swallowing shots and preventing rebounds, but Marc-Andre Fleury stoned the Isles throughout and Evgeni Nabokov gave up a nice breakaway goal by Dupuis and a well-placed screen shot by Richard Park just 21 seconds into the second period. The Penguins, an excellent team even without Sidney Crosby and Zbynek Michalek, knew exactly how to close out a road game after that, with Fleury providing the safety net.

Star-divide

To read it as a lack of effort on the Islanders' part is to misread how those two quick goals changed the game and set Fleury up to be the hero.

A lot of complaints in our plus/minus post-game thread and on Twitter had to do with the ambiguous "quality" of the Islanders shots, and that certainly has merit. The Penguins were good at keeping them to the outside, protecting "the house" and forcing shots from the perimeter. At once opportunistic when given a chance at the lead, the Penguins clogged the neutral zone and kept the Islanders attack from s.

Still, the Islanders had enough chances where if not for the Rolston/Comeau mistake and the John Tavares turnover/Streit screen, it could have been 2-0 the other way in the second period.

Whereas the road losses in Tampa Bay and Florida had me exasperated, this game was -- believe it or not -- as sign that this team knows how to play this game.

Warts and all.

 

Game Highlights

(Sadly tainted by the grating sounds of Bob Errey and "Staggy," the bodacious bloviators. Turn your sound down.)

John Tavares Agrees Tonight Was Better

Just listen:

So like if Tavares says it, it's true innit?

 

Jack Capuano Post-Game

In which shots and scoring chances compared to the Florida trip are discussed:


Evgeni Nabokov

Okay, I don't have long-term hopes for his game, but I find Nabokov's interviews disarmingly enchanting:


Game Notes

Why Blake Comeau Frustrates: So yes, Brian Rolston took a low-angle shot (one Comeau repeated from the same spot later in the game). And yes, that shot rang around the glass for a turnover. The killer is at this point the play is still controllable. Except with Mark Streit having pinched, Comeau fails to read the play and head back as support for Staios. Instead he takes the long path across the Penguins zone on a no-chance forecheck against Brooks Orpik -- and Dupuis, seeing that his lane is wide open, sprints through the neutral zone to receive the gift-wrapped pass. Comeau's route had zero positive effect.

Hockey is a game of multiple misreads per shift, so I'm reluctant to pick on Comeau, who I defend quite often. (We could easily pick on mistakes by any number of Islanders in this game that did not lead to goals against.) But this is an example, I think, of why Comeau frustrates many observers despite the offensive production he usually offers. His decision-making can be curious, his methods unsound.

Richard Park: Nice to see him back on these shores, although riding out one's career in Switzerland on a lighter schedule sure didn't sound too shabby. If there was going to be a Penguin that killed us, I'm glad it was Park. And I fully expected it would be. Ack.

Four Lines: There was offensive pressure from the fourth line -- the maligned and discarded Jay Pandolfo had a good game in my eyes -- and the third line had its moments to mitigate some of its brain farts. Basically, if a couple of those 33 shots get past Fleury I don't think there is as much kvetching tonight.

Goaltending: Fleury gets the glory, but honestly both goaltenders did a fine job of limiting rebounds. Nabokov faced hairy chances on the Penguins powerplay but smothered the puck multiple times. So far that experiment has gone well.

That Final-Minutes Madness: The decision to pull Nabokov so early at a neutral zone faceoff was curious. The effort by the 6-man unit that allowed two Penguins forecheckers to hem the Isles in their own zone was appalling. I don't care if it's Gretzky and Kurri with the puck -- you at least outwork them. Take a sin of commission rather than a sin of omission there. Instead, the Isles watched the seconds tick down when they were the team that needed the puck. The entire extra attacker session struck me as an instance when team and coach were not on the same page. As if Fleury had already crushed their spirit.

Frans? Frans Nielsen had a quieter night and John Tavares was double-shifted in his spot between Michael Grabner and Kyle Okposo a few times. Line juggling, or was Frans ill? He was on for a healthy chunk of the successful four-minute penalty kill in the third -- although even there, his movement was a little less tenacious than usual. Just wondering.

Staios: I give Staios' snow angel a pass on the Park goal, because at the time it looked like he was defending a 2-on-1 and he didn't know Streit would get back in the play (and ultimately, Streit got back into the play just to screen Nabokov). But overall ... I already fear I'm seeing the Staios who will slow down and more importantly slow up Streit. Bruno Gervais was also a weak top-pair guy but he was young. I just don't think it's fair or reasonable to expect a full season of top-pair duty (or however you define it in contrast to AMac-Hamonic) from Staios.

Andrew MacDonald: ...Speaking of which, MacDonald's play has not been awful but has been sub-MacDonald enough for me to wonder if his hip recuperation is still affecting him. The fact that he still takes maintenance days -- and my own experience dealing with injuries to each limb and joint at some point -- makes me think that's a very reasonable fear. Injuries: They make you a lesser version of yourself.

 

So yeah, if you missed the game but read 3-0 and thought the worst, well it was every bit as frustrating as you figure a shutout to be. But believe me, there was progress. This same effort would've beaten the Panthers and might have put the Lightning game in doubt. That in no way means their problems are solved (obviously), but it does mean hockey is a cruel game and the Islanders would do well to keep playing it.

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"Staggy."

Yeesh.

"I didn't come out of a cereal box." --Bob Dylan

by isles732 on Oct 26, 2011 1:42 AM EDT reply actions  

I missed the game

so thanks for this. Always so insightful.

by 19InARow on Oct 26, 2011 2:35 AM EDT reply actions  

same here...

hopefully i’ll get to watch the game saturday. i know i’ll miss penguins part 2 tomorrow.

"son of a bitch i'm sick of these dolphins"

- Steve Zissou

by gukid17 on Oct 26, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Frans/JT

I don’t think JT was double-shifted between Grabner and Okposo at all. Yes, JT spent 1.1 minutes with Grabner and 2.3 with Okposo, but pretty much all of that came at the beginning of the game, when JT couldn’t get off for a change and ended up being out there 1:40 in total and close to a minute with Okposo and Grabner. According to the shift charts, later in the game they never really played together anymore, just spent a few seconds together here and there due to changes on the fly.

FnGO was very good early on I thought, but not too noticeable later on. However, zone starts maybe played a role there. Nielsen started three times each in the offensive and defensive zone respectively, whereas JT’s and Bailey’s lines both got much more favourable starts (8-2). JT’s line did take advantage somewhat, he was brilliant in the offensive zone himself and they did get some chances, but as a whole I thought they were outplayed when on against Staal who was absolutely outstanding.

Very much agreed with the other things in the recap here. Right now, Staios is a pretty big concern for me, too. I have exactly the same feeling – after some very solid games it looks like we’re already seeing him slow down… And Rolston’s got worse with every game, too. I really didn’t think he was that bad early on, but lately it’s been disappointing.

by BenHasna on Oct 26, 2011 6:35 AM EDT reply actions  

JT/Frans Exactly

I know some people think JT was double shifted but he wasn’t. The first time JT was carrying the puck during a line change and the Pens quickly turned it around and had the puck in the Isles zone for almost a full minute, leaving JT trapped on the ice between Okposo and Grabs and Frans with his leg over the board. The second time two shifts later, JT carried the puck into the offensive zone during a change and it turned into sustained Islander pressure for a good half minute, again leaving Frans with his hand between the ropes looking for a tap in. Those were the only two times it happened during the game that I recall.

And the key factor that tells you it wasn’t a double shift was the fact that the JTGO line followed the first line both times. If JT was getting souble shifted, those lines would’ve at least had a line in between them to give JT a breather.

mocking opposing announcers and their horrible commentary since '89

by Chris McNally on Oct 26, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Poor word-choice on my part

I didn’t see JT as getting stuck out there exactly, and he stayed out so long that I wondered if something was intentional. (Not that Nielsen would require “rest” or something at the beginning of the game, but it just struck me as deliberate for some reason.)

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Oct 26, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was on fire that shift and it looked like something was going to happen.

He’s young, could it be the unflappable Johnny T just got carried away?

by Hockey1919 on Oct 26, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could be

It just seemed SO long, and at the beginning of the game — I half expected a “hang on Johnny, Frans is puking in the runway.”

But yeah the simpler explanation is the young star wanting to do something now.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Oct 26, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

not always- JT can clown around sometimes

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Oct 26, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

The third picture

Is a tickle fight.

this team isn't tough enough CALL UP HALEY, BRING BAKC KONPKAA!!!112

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by Keith Quinn on Oct 26, 2011 1:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Head shot

Don’t show Shannahan.

JT would get 5 games for that head shot.

by jonny4gets on Oct 26, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was just frustrating

but you can take away a few things.

1. The team had more shots on net. Though the quality of over half the shots were not great and came from the perimeter, at least they were shooting. Right direction. Props to Nabby.

2. Two glaring misreads lead to the Penguins goals

3. You can see why the Penguins are now 7 – 2 – 2 in this league without Crosby and others. May not be pretty hockey, but it gets the job done and they can hold a lead. Fleury was wall when he needed to be. Turned the Coliseum silent. You could tell the crowd was itching to get into it with any Islander offense.

4. Even though Malkin did not score, he was flying up and down the ice. Beast.

It was better like you said, the PK was great, the PP had its chances, the 5 -5 had its chances. So hopefully they figure it out for thursday, would be nice not to drop 4 in a row now. Still it seemed there could have been a bit more urgency, especially at home.

I have no idea what is going on with Comeau, but he again makes questioning plays, like sitting on the half boards with the puck for about 15 seconds while nobody is pressuring him and then loses the puck. Bailey for the 1st period either played very little or was a ghost. Rolston was really ineffective and slow. That line needs two things, a smack in the face and somebody else. Looking forward to Nino come back and taking up a roster spot, warranted or not.

So another game to build upon in this early season. Next game away, and then 3 at home.

by ghalbart on Oct 26, 2011 6:52 AM EDT reply actions  

I like

Nabby’s interview. He’s got a good veteran presence to him, and what he says backs up what I think a lot of us are seeing-this team is playing tight because it has put a lot of pressure on itself to win. We just need someone to burst that dam and soon we’re going to be talking about this year’s winning streak, rather than last year’s losing streak.

Tavares is Tavares.

by afrosupreme on Oct 26, 2011 7:31 AM EDT reply actions  

I live how they cut to the studio

Right after he said “don’t want to grip stick to tight and get pissed off” (paraphrased).

Nice to get a guy with a pulse in the interviews. I like him more and more and so far, he looks great. Can’t fault him on either goal.

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by Keith Quinn on Oct 26, 2011 7:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Nice to get a guy with a pulse in the interviews. I like him more and more and so far, he looks great.

Me, too- its so strange.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Oct 26, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone else think Nabby

Sounds more Irish than Russian in this interview? i kept expecting him to pause and take a swig of Guinness mid answer

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by Zhora on Oct 26, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

From Hornick's "Skinny", how sad is this?

“The Isles have used the same six defensemen in all seven games this season; it’s the longest streak to start a season since Butch Goring started the same sextet in the first 16 games of the 2000-01 season.”

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by Keith Quinn on Oct 26, 2011 7:58 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

That actual sextet, for what it's worth

Hamrlik
Jonsson
Kevin Haller
Garry Galley
Aris Brimanis
Some guy named Zdeno Chara. Whatever happened to him?

Discuss

"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science

by PGI on Oct 26, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

WOW

Aris Brimanis

Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.

by Fabtraption on Oct 26, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Galley gee

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Oct 26, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think about that sometimes...

How the Isles could have had Hammrlik and Aucoin all these years.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Oct 26, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Eaton and Mottau

Moe the puck. Hamrlik had some offensive ability. Cool typo.

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by Keith Quinn on Oct 26, 2011 1:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

IPB

Nice work on the recap, KQ.

by Dorfer on Oct 26, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

Only one kool-aid reference so far!

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by Keith Quinn on Oct 26, 2011 1:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Make sure

you wipe your shoes before you come back here.

Tavares is Tavares.

by afrosupreme on Oct 26, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, it should get better...Kevin is great and hopefully winning cures all aggravation

But it’s nice to be home. You guys make me feel safe!

Someone please bring me my slippers, pipe and scotch.

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by Keith Quinn on Oct 26, 2011 2:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Have your credentials been pulled yet?
Is my comment awaiting moderation?

OH GOD KEITH, WHAT HATH YOU WROUGHT!?

Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.

by Fabtraption on Oct 26, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hard to admit their play was improved over the last 2 games when they lost again and didn’t score. Yeah, I can agree there were more scoring chances and that friggin Flower was on his game again. Seems like they aren’t relaxed out there. Passing when they should shoot. Carrying when they should dump and chase. Goaltending on the other hand looks like it won’t be a concern. And on a personal note, I need to vent. I got the Center Ice package this season. I was so looking foward to listening to Howie and Butch while I watch the game. But instead I had to listen to those 2 idiots that do the Penguins games. Bob Errey and the other schmuck. My God, how they love to compliment everything the Pens do. And never pass up an opportunity to slam us. Yeah, they had some good things to say, but they got their shots in as always.

by Icefan71 on Oct 26, 2011 8:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Agree

They were actually complimentary toward the Isles….moreso JT…..in the first period and then after that, I noticed they went downhill.

"If the bell needs to be answered, we've got the guys to answer it." "If they want to start something, that's fine."- Trevor Gillies

by JW1970 on Oct 26, 2011 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

A-holes just kept it complimentary in case the Islanders beat the crap out of them again,

Once the game looked like it was under control they started their subtle and not so subtle digs. That indentity as a “woes me” franchise really p*ssed me off.

by Hockey1919 on Oct 26, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

OMG me too.

When they said that I even said WTF out loud and my 10 year old shot me a look. hehe Oops.

"If the bell needs to be answered, we've got the guys to answer it." "If they want to start something, that's fine."- Trevor Gillies

by JW1970 on Oct 26, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

My praise for the Penguins, they played a perfect road game,

Goaltender was sharp and kept them in it early. Capitalized on an error by the home team. Played conservative and limited any odd rushes the rest of the way out. I could almost say a Devil like performance. They played within their system, back-checked well, kept shots to the perimeter, seems simple.

by Hockey1919 on Oct 26, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

A telltale sign for me of how bad they are

Is I can’t stand them even when they’re complimenting the Isles or, on special occasion, ripping their own team. There is such wind-baggery going on, all delivered with an air of certainty that their actual words do not justify.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Oct 26, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

BailCo and Cap

Bailey and Comeau continue to frustrate. Like that ttime when Bailey had a golden opportunity two feet in front of the net and decided to hold the puck a bit before shooting. No misdirection or dekeing just hesitation. Maybe he thought he would lull Fleury to sleep?

I hope to see some changes on the third line and D before the next game. While I agree completely with Dom’s sentiment re last night’s improvementn I don’t see how Cappy looks at this lineup and its 3 game losing streak and lack of scoring and says, “yeah, I’ll roll with this.”

by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Oct 26, 2011 9:16 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

that ttime when Bailey had a golden opportunity two feet in front of the net and decided to hold the puck a bit before shooting. No misdirection or dekeing just hesitation. Maybe he thought he would lull Fleury to sleep?

I remember exactly what youre thinking of. the puck came to him a little wobbly and he settled it, hesitating just for that moment. A lot of goalies would be out of position there but MAF squared off and then you couldnt get past him. The way a pass is just as much made up of the player who receives it, the player who passes it, and the ice surface itself. I dont blame Bailey there as much as I blame no luck- and MAF for being in excellent position.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Oct 26, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bailey's plus/minus play

If he fires it right away and misses we’d probably criticize him for not taking his time to fire it into the open net. Instead he took too long and let Fleury get back in position. It is little things like this that make goal droughts last forever. You just knew whatever decision he made, it would not be the right one in that situation. I’m hoping he or anyone outside of the firwst line finally scores a goal.

by Hockey1919 on Oct 26, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

True

What bugs me is folks who go from demanding that the team “not look for the perfect play” and “put the puck on the net” to complaining about low quality chances. These reactions are totally continent on the results.

by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Oct 26, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

folks who go from demanding that the team "not look for the perfect play" and "put the puck on the net" to complaining about low quality chances. These reactions are totally continent on the results.

Couldnt agree more.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Oct 26, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rolston versus Bailey

One has never seen a shot he wouldn’t take and one has never seen a shot he thinks he could make. I tend to be in the shoot it on net variety, with the one caveat you have to hit the net. Knowing when to shoot quick and when to show poise can’t really be taught and separates goal scorers from the rest.

by Hockey1919 on Oct 26, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ha! Well said.

And of course Rolston’s problem is the whole “on net” part.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Oct 26, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

He seems to have the RSH

360 degree wind up. Takes forever to get that thing off.

Makes you wonder how DP couldn't get out of the way...

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by Keith Quinn on Oct 26, 2011 12:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Love to hate the toe of the stick must touch the ice and then wind 360 around to shoot.

The singular thing that I hated more than anything that RSH did. It is such an affectation that it drives me crazy.

by Hockey1919 on Oct 26, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

One has never seen a shot he wouldn’t take and one has never seen a shot he thinks he could make.

Sigh… its true (so far lol)

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Oct 26, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bailey, and to an extent, KO look like they may have confidence issues...

I was at the game last night, and on that one play in particular, Bailey picked up a loose puck in his own end and roared through the neutral zone with enough speed to make you sit up in your seat and take notice. Then as he got closer to MAF, he had a chance to shoot, but opted to cut to the middle and push a soft backhand on Fleury. It was partly because of MAF’s solid positioning, but I would have loved to see Bailey just rip it. I’m still in Josh’s corner, the talent is there, I just hope he can put it together on a more consistent basis.

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by Carl Rackie on Oct 26, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Love the screen name

Though I think Ogie Ogelthorpe’s got you in a fight -

by Dorfer on Oct 26, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you're right...

I DID get beat up by Rob Lowe. The shame is unbearable.

"Hating the Rangers since before I was born."

by Carl Rackie on Oct 28, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Frustrating Indeed

I went berserk on that play when Bailey didnt shoot, I feel like there was a window to go top shelf and then in the end got nothing. He needs to consider have tunnel vision and drive right to the net or shoot the first chance he gets when in the slot.

Patience will prevail, if not...

by Hockey2219 on Oct 26, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Finding ANYTHING positive ...

about a shutout loss at home sucks.
If I had to choose something it would be that they didn’t start this game in a daze.
But here we are at 3 discouraging losses in a row and still no good signs from the guys who most need to step up. I understand the coach’s early pull of the goalie, but I see how it suggests premature desperation to some. How can it not?
I guess last night was more a failure to finish and running into a hot goalie rather than just offensive anemia, and Pittsburgh is a good team. But this is not good, and I would look for the GM to change the mix sooner rather than later. And if it’s possible to look like a player who expects to not be here very long, it’s Comeau.

by dose on Oct 26, 2011 9:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Tonight was a positive step

But where the hell did the offense go? The one thing the Islanders were going to have this season was offense and the defense was going to be a work in progress. I give the defense plenty of the blame for not helping to generate offense, but can you have after 7 games only three forwards with more than 2 points?

Everything else Dominik stated was spot on, but 2 shut-outs in 7 games has me very concerned. That’s why the pissed poor efforts in Florida bothered me so much, you can’t just throw away games because there will be nights that you may deserve better and not get any results.

by Hockey1919 on Oct 26, 2011 9:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Bailey

looks lost…….Comeau needs more ice time ( so he can wake up,tho he threw some good hits )……..but what concerns me even more is Okposo. Hes way off his game. So is Neilsen

by WRANGLERICK on Oct 26, 2011 9:58 AM EDT reply actions  

I am actually starting to worry about KO's 5-year contract.

Let’s face it. This guy just not have much of an offensive game. Never really did. He misses the net constantly (when he’s not putting it off the post). I’m sorry, he looks like a 3rd-liner to me.

by Hey Hanrahan on Oct 26, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I Agree

When you look at it he really didn’t do anything numbers wise to earn that contract. He’s a fan favorite and management looks at him as part of hte core, but he hasn’t put up any numbers strong enough to earn that long term commitment. I like him as a player, but I’m waiting for the pizza to be delivered.

by 19holekc on Oct 26, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

They actually played well

and they deserved a better result. MAF was on his game and the puck just didn’t bounce our way. I’m still not happy with the 3rd and 4th lines; 3rd line doesn’t shoot or hold possession enough and 4th line doesn’t hit enough. IMO Rolston and Pandolfo are a waste- I know they kill penalties, but I would rather players that have more energy. When we were playing well last season, we were swarming teams with speed and energy. I would much rather Dibo and Haley in their spots, Dibo is feisty and Haley will hit and fight- both things that we are lacking.

by lostnfound on Oct 26, 2011 10:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Rolston and Pandolfo are not the problem.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Oct 26, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Totally agree ...

with this. They’re not supposed to be THE guys. The guys who are aren’t doing it.

by dose on Oct 26, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yup.

We cant blame the newbie Devils guys- as much as we dont want to, we have to blame our own beloved kids for not getting the job done.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Oct 26, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ehhh

I agree Pandolfo isn’t the problem, but Rolston got in a few people’s way last night. That can’t happen but I’m willing to give it to lack of chemistry right now.

Constantly building for the future.

by pgat28 on Oct 26, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

He nearly tripped over Comeau in mid-COZO

Comeau actually COZO’d himself into the high slot previously, but the bump put him in orbit outside the zone on that one play.

by Hockey1919 on Oct 26, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

We played better.....but not well. I was there....

Yes, we got pucks to the net.
Yes, Pitt played a flawless game on D and in G. They blocked a lot of shots and gave up no rebounds. They made good on our 2 mistakes.

My issue is, where are the screens? By the 3rd you realized the only way we’re gonna get one past MAF is on a screen or deflection.

Where was the desparation? We still got outworked, even after going down 2-0. In our own building…..not acceptable.

Where were the hits? We didn’t punish them at all. Yes, we played better, wonder where our heart is.

by 4PeatSake on Oct 26, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isles play like they did last night, and things will work out for the better over the season.
Two things…they need to crash the net more, shots are one and done. The defense backs in too much.

by 7:11_OT on Oct 26, 2011 10:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Agree with crashing the net

They were around the net but Fleury looked too comfortable back there for most of the night. He had time to set up and get into position because the Isles weren’t in his face for most of the night. Seems like Martin and Moulson are the only ones who will do that on a semi-regular basis and they need to do it more.

by Lawbot13 on Oct 26, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just feel like the team is lacking grit, energy, and physical play and that is supposed to come from the 3rd and 4th lines. To me, they look slow and unmotivated lot of the time.

by lostnfound on Oct 26, 2011 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

3 down, 17 to go!

Ride the winless wagon!

(Separately, Rolston is outrageously awful.)

by AP77 on Oct 26, 2011 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Also: the obvious solution to this is to call up [insert career AHL player of choice here].

Double also: Staois is a nightmare as well.

by AP77 on Oct 26, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haley?

Constantly building for the future.

by pgat28 on Oct 26, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Staios < Mottau.

There, I said it.

Tavares is Tavares.

by afrosupreme on Oct 26, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

....

……………………………………………………….

so many ellipses for this.

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by Fabtraption on Oct 26, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

The real test of this theorem

Is to put Staios with Eaton and see what happens. (No, I’m not advocating this.)

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Oct 26, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

I think we assume Staios is only second worst because he plays with Streit. I say it means he’s the worst.

Bottom line is they are both awful and hopefully gone sooner than later.

Tavares is Tavares.

by afrosupreme on Oct 26, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’ve given me a lot to think about.

by AP77 on Oct 26, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Isles...

are what I thought they’d be. A 7-10 team in the standings. Need another top pairing defenseman and another scorer to push them into legit playoff contention…which maybe a year away depending upon development of key prospects. I don’t think Snow makes any trades just yet that would affect our quality depth.

This year is still a year for moral victories. In some ways that is what last night was after the terrible Florida trip. Moral victories and more consistency.

Just my opinion of course.

by pennst92 on Oct 26, 2011 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

This.
This year is still a year for moral victories. In some ways that is what last night was after the terrible Florida trip. Moral victories and more consistency.


Unfortunately, I thought we’d be past looking for moral victories this year and expecting actual ones instead. Hence the disappointment. I’m not a big fan “hey, it’s encouraging they didn’t play as bad as the last 2 games.”

by Hey Hanrahan on Oct 26, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you quote inside a quote?

That’s a double rainbow right there.

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by Fabtraption on Oct 26, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way

Oohhhh-ho-ho…

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Oct 26, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its so beautiful! *cries*

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Oct 26, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

A little from column A, a little from column B

But thank you for not saying Messier.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Oct 26, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rainbow guy was a full-on crygasm.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Oct 26, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

My view is sort of like that

Ultimately, I do think this is a year for moral victories — that’s why I don’t have them making the playoffs (picked 10th). However, the moral victory I had in mind is them competing and believing all season long that they have a shot at the playoffs, before falling short like half their fellow bubble teams.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Oct 26, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

And wary

The rare impossible to mix these up situation!

Tavares is Tavares.

by afrosupreme on Oct 26, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm too weary to figure out just what you mean.

And a little wary that this is some sort of linguistic trap.

by Les Beaver on Oct 26, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

from what i'm sensing and seeing in most highlights...

i really don’t wanna be that guy who makes the rash presupposition, but these ex-devils are not cutting it at all. i was never a pandolfo fan and although i understand he brings a PK aspect to his game, that’s all he’s good for. there’s a reason why no other gm would give him a chance. he’s old and is nothing but a small intangible…rolston i understand with certain reasons why garth likes him. respectfully so. but like pandolfo, he’s just intangibles and not a big difference maker. i’m willing to see more of him, but there are guys in bridgeport who i find to be hungrier and who want to really impress…

mottau is flat out awful. he’s really gotta go. bring up someone, trade for someone, anyone. just get him out. eaton too. this D corp really needs some work. its not solid and staios is gonna drop of a heart attack playing top minutes w streit. the isles are gonna keep struggling if they don’t figure out this D.

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by gukid17 on Oct 26, 2011 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Getting shut out multiple times in a very young season is not all on the D.

Its on the players we all love- they are the ones not doing their parts.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Oct 26, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yup.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Oct 26, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Frustrating Loss.

Overall the guys played well. Nabby was sharp and gave us a chance to win. Is it just me, or is there a lack of players going to the net? MAF was sharp, but had no problems seeing the puck. They have to start finding a way of creating more traffic in front of the opponent’s goal. Too many shots are coming from the perimeter.

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Encounter time and then came me

by rob2112 on Oct 26, 2011 12:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Not just you, I think a lot of people are seeing getting to the net as an issue

The Pens defense was good at protecting that area, and I sure think some guys are doing it (Moulson’s double-whack chance early in the third, for example), but yeah, the same guys many are complaining about are the same guys who tend to try to make decisions slowly and from the perimeter.

Beyond any toughness/grit/dirty areas argument is an important attribute of getting to the net: You need to decide and act quickly. You need to make the D believe you might pose an alternative threat from elsewhere. Defenses are inherently going to default to protecting the house, so if you don’t take them with speed or act-first decision-making and establish a foothold there, the play may be past before you get there (and then you might have to be in defense/backchecking mode before you even showed up).

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Oct 26, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can we not

cut one of Bailey or Comeau if not both and bring up Dibenedetto & Haley? or trade them for something? anything??

I think there’s no upside to these guys, & absolutely no future given what’s in our pipeline, and I think they know it – hence they are pressing – am mindful of a play where Comeau had the puck in the 1st period on the boards in the O Zone with a Pengiun on either side, no one behind him, and he coughed it up – useless

Once Nino’s back I want these guys gone – at least Comeau gone – we need to have 4 contributing lines – we can hide Rolston on a 3rd line esp, if he’s used as a LW

Rolston – X – Niederreiter

that implies we could try Bailey in the middle – but if that doesn’t work, time to move on

by Cary K on Oct 26, 2011 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Comeau at least has 2 more games to get as many points as Bailey and KO.

Which he can easily do, I’ll bet he doubles their current output. .The whole lot is playing bad and pressing. I feel myself being overly negative today after watching a game where I thought they were much improved. That’s the problem with burning off a lot of good will in the first month of the season.

However, the pipeline could be worse, let’s let the AHLers develop so that in two years we aren’t saying, see they pushed x,y,z like they did Bailey and now we see the same results. This is at best a bubble team to begin with, now is when our patience will be put to the test or we become Milbury all over again.

by Hockey1919 on Oct 26, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny. I would think that Comeau’s “upside” is approximately 24 goals.

Bailey not so much.

by AP77 on Oct 26, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again

Comeau has shown he can score a lot of goals. That is no small thing. It may be expendable on our team, but he is not cut-worthy.

Tavares is Tavares.

by afrosupreme on Oct 26, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

lines

 would like to see a change in the lines. see if the chemistry can work better. move okposo, pa, ralston & martin around. maybe something like this:
1- moulson – jt- okposo – might get okposo going. no reflection on the play of pa but he may be able to help settle another line while jt can give kyle some help.
2- grabs – frans-martin. martin may not be a true 2nd line player but I dont think there is a true 2nd line on the team. lines 2&3 are interchangable. you add martins energy & toughness to this line with grabs speed and frans vision and see what happens.
3- blake-bailey-pa. maybe pa can help settle this line down with his passing, vision and positional play. rolston does not seem to fit with blake & bailey so why not give this a try.
4- rolston-reasoner-pandolfo. pandolof and reasoner have done fine on the 4th line with the exception of reasoner penalty last night. while rolston has not fit in on line 3, maybe there will be more chemistry playing with an old devil teammate and a veteran center like reasoner.
on defense I would would switch staios with eaton and then double shift the top 2 defense pairs using staios and mottau to give periodic breaks for rest. maybe let them play 10-12 minutes while the top 4 get 22-25 minutes each.

by fhc1224 on Oct 26, 2011 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Tweets from this morning's practice:

- Offensive lines the same
- Jurcina practicing, Nino not
- AMac not practicing, “he was run into the boards hard last night in the third period, seemed a bit slow getting up”

Jurcina’s groin should be downright indestructible by now.

by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Oct 26, 2011 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Jurcina’s groin should be downright indestructible by now.

Are you pr*j**ting!?

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by Fabtraption on Oct 26, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Couldn't hold back

Actually, the indestructible groins should be a college band somewhere.

As far as Jurcina, the twitters is now saying: “Jurcina felt good today. He will be ready to go if he’s available. Coaches will discuss today and tomorrow morning.”

by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Oct 26, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather have

Reese over Mottau. Preferably I like Wishart, and I’d do a Streit-Wishart and Staos-Eaton pair but that’s just me. It’s just getting to the point where it’s ridiculous.

by edavidmorris on Oct 26, 2011 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Reese is struggling

in the AHL at the moment, nothing about him says he should be in the NHL

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by Mark D on Oct 26, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reese?

God no. Are we THAT desperate?

The decisions to let Martinek, Hillen, and even Bruno (THERE I SAID IT) walk away in the Summer are really eye brow raising right now.

Raise your hand if you prefer Martinek and Hillen in there right now over Staios and Mottau.

by JPinNYC on Oct 26, 2011 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

This is sort of a false dichotomy (or trichotomy), because I would rather have Wishart over all of them.

by AP77 on Oct 26, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

So

he’s officially the new RSH over at the AP Bunker?

Tavares is Tavares.

by afrosupreme on Oct 26, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm in for Hillen

especially because we could use his breakout/puck moving skills.

Martinek wouldn’t be helping much right now.

Tavares is Tavares.

by afrosupreme on Oct 26, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

He'd be hurt already

While taking a hit trying to corral an Eaton “slow skating panic reversal” in the corner.

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by Keith Quinn on Oct 26, 2011 1:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

but Jack was nimble and quick.

no point having size if it doesn’t get there in time.

by Hockey1919 on Oct 26, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I meant Marty

But I guess this could be true of Hillen too…except he’s quicker.

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