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After Strome, Scheifele the Latest Would-be NHLer Returning to Juniors

Should he stay or should he go?

New York Islanders 2010 5th overall pick Nino Niederreiter hasn't played a game yet in 2011-12, but this time it's an injury rather than developmental decision. (In his piece on Josh Bailey, Arthur Staple reports Nino has been skating on Long Island during the Florida road trip.)

Niederreiter's 2011 counterpart Ryan Strome likewise made the season-opening roster, but he was kept around merely for an extended orientation before being returned to Niagara without appearing in an NHL game.

When discussing 18- and 19-year-old juniors who by rule cannot be assigned to the AHL, several sometimes competing trains of thought surface: 1) Don't rush them, you'll hurt their development. 2) Rushed or not, most 18- and 19-year-olds aren't good NHLers. 3) Ready or not, keeping them around burns a year of their contract and moves them closer to high-dollar free agency. 4) Play 'em! They dangle in shootouts!

Rare is the kid who is a top 10 NHL draft pick. Rarer still is the kid who belongs on an NHL squad just four or 16 months after his draft day. Here are where some of the NHL's recent high-profile ones stand right now:

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2011

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (1st) - RNH is living up to his billing as the 1st overall pick, putting up 2-5-7 in 7 games so far. However, Coach Tom Renney is using him carefully -- protecting a late lead means Nugent-Hopkins and the kids sit -- and that's about the best you can expect from an NHLer drafted four months ago. But is it enough to keep him around?

Gabriel Landeskog (2nd) - Seen as the most "NHL ready" of last summer's draft class, Landeskog already has 4 goals and 1 assist in 8 games, with 29 shots on goal for the Avalanche. Like Nugent-Hopkins, it's tough to imagine his team sending him back.

Jonathan Huberdeau (3rd) - Huberdubiedoo impressed Dale Tallon in Panthers camp, but Florida wisely sent him back for further grooming, where he has resumed piling up points.

Adam Larsson (4th) - Having "already played with men" in the SEL, Larsson is neither a junior concern nor a risk to be loaned back to his old league. He's one of the Devils' best defensemen already, so he's going nowhere.

Mika Zibanejad (6th) - Like Larsson Zibanejad would have an SEL club rather than a junior team to return to, but Zibanejad's fate is much more up in the air. The Sens are bad and Zibanejad has been tried at both center and wing while putting up an assist in his first 8 games.

Mark Scheifele (7th) - Winnipeg's first draft pick under their new name/location was seen as a reach at 7th overall, but he turned small-sample-lovers' heads with a very productive preseason. Then came the regular season with its four lines of NHL-caliber competition and Scheifele lasted 7 games with 1 goal before being returned to Barrie.

Sean Couturier (8th) - Part of the bounty for giving Columbus Jeff Carter, Couturier has 2-2-4 in his first 7 games, Billed as a two-way player at the draft, he's getting praise for precisely that attribute, playing heavily on the PK and looking like a kid who's staying with Philadelphia. Of course, Brayden Schenn's arrival (more on him below) pushes Couturier further down the depth chart, so there are compelling arguments for sending him back. The clock is ticking.

Brandon Saad (43rd) - That's right, 43rd. This was a curious one. The Blackhawks signed Saad on the even of camp and gave him two games with their top lines, then sent him down. I can't imagine you make or break a decision on a kid based on two games, so it appears the Hawks sacrificed a slot for two games to give a 43rd overall pick a taste of NHL-level top-line offense.

 

2010

Erik Gudbranson (3rd) - Were it not for contract negotiations lasting through the CBA deadline, Gudbranson might have made last season's Panthers squad. Signed over the summer, he made the Panthers out of camp and is expected to stay.

Ryan Johansen (4th) - Nino's Portland teammate made the Blue Jackets out of camp, but Columbus has started in such a deep hole -- Johansen playing five of the first eight games (1 assist, 7 shots) -- that you almost wonder if returning him to Portland again would spare him from the disaster, and save a year on his ELC.

Brett Connolly (6th) - Connoly has two assists, 4 PIM, 17 shots in eight games in his rookie year. The Lightning management said at the outset that he's no guarantee to stick around, but they've just one game left before that decision. Connolly has impressed so far, but the big scoring winger with a history of injuries creates a few tough decisions for them, not the least of which is whom to waive after Mattias Ohlund comes off IR.

Other Notables from 2010: In a banner year, Taylor Hall (1st), Tyler Seguin (2nd), Jeff Skinner (7th), Alexander Burmistrov (8th) and Cam Fowlers (12th) all made their squads in their draft year and played essentially full seasons.

 

2009

These players are all eligible to be assigned to the AHL now, but an update on their progress is still worthwhile:

Brayden Schenn (5th) - Los Angeles' fifth overall pick in 2009 is actually eligible to play in the AHL this season, and that's exactly where he started -- for the Flyers' affiliate, of course. Problem is, Philadelphia put him there more for salary cap reasons than anything else, and they've since recalled him to the Flyers after they made room and he tore up the AHL.

Nazem Kadri (7th) - Kadri has been up and down on the NHL/junior-go-round in the two years since his draft, entering this season with 30 NHL games under his belt. He started this season in the AHL, but an injury to Colby Armstrong has him back with the Leafs.

Jared Cowen (9th) - Cowen got a single-game look last season, but this year the 9th overall pick looks like he's with Ottawa to stay. The big defenseman did get a taste of the AHL during last year's playoffs.

Ryan Ellis (11th) - Ellis, drafted just one slot ahead of fellow mobile blueliner Calvin De Haan, was thought to be Nashville-bound this season but was assigned to AHL Milwaukee at the end of camp. Ex-Isle Jack Hillen is one reason why.

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So that's a glance at the mostly top-of-the-draft prospects who have yet to become full-time NHLers. Of course the approach varies from prospect to prospect depending on the mix of maturity, raw skills and hockey intelligence of each player. Forwards versus defensemen can also be a big variable.

And even organizations don't behave in uniform ways: The Islanders kept Josh Bailey his rookie year -- but a preseason injury pushed that decision all the way back into November. The next year they kept John Tavares as expected but sent de Haan back twice after long training camp looks (and this year, he's in the AHL). And they Niederreiter for the 9-game trial yet sent Strome back this year without seeing a game.

One clear thing from this: The CHL-NHL agreement really prevents NHL clubs from doing the ideal thing. We can parse over the issue of starting a player's free agency clock sooner or later (alternatively: If their first three seasons are younger, they likely command less on their second contract). One year back in juniors is usually prudent, but in year two the choice of NHL or CHL without the AHL in between is far from ideal.

In Niederreiter's case, many assume he's staying, but as with Bailey in his rookie year an early season injury forces the final decision back several weeks. What will the conditions be when Niederreiter reaches game #9 this season? And what are the chances that, if only they could, the Isles might prefer he get even an Okposo-length boot camp in the AHL at that time?

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I think it would be smart to send Nino to the AHL on a conditioning assignment ala Brayden Schenn last season with the Kings

by Alex Kinkead on Oct 23, 2011 11:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Actually

I’m pretty sure he’s right that Nino can do an AHL stint because he’s coming off an injury. Like he said, it woulf be the same as what happened with Schenn last year.

Tavares is Tavares.

by afrosupreme on Oct 23, 2011 11:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah

I guess I wasn’t clear. Here is a breakdown of this loophole explained by Jewels From The Crown

by Alex Kinkead on Oct 23, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Link Fail. Dom’s got it

by Alex Kinkead on Oct 23, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha

I will be your wingman.

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by Dominik on Oct 23, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

I doubt that the Islanders utilize the loophole though.

by Alex Kinkead on Oct 23, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, L.A. pulled it off on "conditioning" with Schenn last year

So it’s possible.

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by Dominik on Oct 23, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Links to Schenn in Manchester

The build-up...
…and the delivery. Maximum of two weeks.

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by Dominik on Oct 23, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fu-fu-fu-...

darn right!
This team needs a spark. This pattern of one-line offense or no offense at all needs to be broken before really taking hold.
Noone wants any panic moves after 6 games. But at the outset of the monumental collapse early last year (‘losing streak’ doesn’t quite describe that horror show) we expected a turnaround any time then also. Don’t want to fall into a loss-trap this early in the year again.

by dose on Oct 24, 2011 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does anyone know

when the NHL-CHL agreement ends? A one year guarantee after the draft seems best to me. Many players are not ready for the NHL, but are obviously beyond Juniors. Stuck in LIMBO!?!? I would assume that the NHL would have to have the upper hand here in negotiations.

We would really get to see our players develop much more with a one year turnaround too:) Plus, nobody likes purgatory. It sucks Avery shavings.

by Isle in Topanga on Oct 24, 2011 12:26 AM EDT reply actions  

It seems to be in vague perpetuity

Even the current CBA only references continuing/respecting the NHL-CHL agreement of 1995, I think. There’s a lot of cultural baggage with not wanting to undercut the prospect “lifeblood” and all that.

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by Dominik on Oct 24, 2011 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

It has its roots in the old drafting system

The cutoff age for the draft was 20 years old until the late 70’s, and was successfully challenged in court. I think the “juniors or NHL” thing was a way to protect the Canadian juniors from losing those players. that would have otherwise played those two years for their junior clubs.

In re: foreign juniors, the agreement only covers the CHL teams. I believe that a player whose rights are not held by any CHL team may be assigned to the AHL as an 18 or 19 year old. It usually doesn’t apply to stateside players because if they’re good enough to be drafted as an 18 year old, they’re either CHLers or college players, and their college eligibility would end if they went pro anyway.

The CHL holds an import draft every year, and the rights to the foreign juniors are taken so that those players don’t simply become free agents if they come to North America. Some promising players and late bloomers don’t have their rights “drafted” because they’re little interest, or else there’s little chance of them coming across to play as juniors. A player like that could be in the AHL before they’re 20.

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by mikb on Oct 24, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Court Case was Kenny Linsmen (Linesman sp?)

I think the NHL settled before the courts ruled however, I could be wrong. Problem was the WHA (World Hockey Association, the rival pro-league that later merged with NHL and brought with it the Jets, Oilers, Nords and Whalers to the NHL, were signing 18 year olds…the NHL felt they would lose in court as 18 year olds are legally adults…

for a long time, there was also a rule that 18 year olds could only be drafted in first 3 rounds…this was like this until recently. I am not even sure when this changed and how b/c until recently, and through this site, I wasn’t even aware that rule had changed…and the new rule is still unclear.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Oct 24, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm still unclear...

If Nino gets another 9 games this year then I wouldn’t mind him getting another audition. But if his ELC starts the first time he hits NHL regular season ice, they are better served by promoting Ullstrom of Dibo.
We really can wait another year, and I really can’t see him outplaying any of the top six (Tavares line + FNGO). The BPT men can be shuttled back and fourth, and they are probably more ready to play bottom six roles for extended periods of time.
Let Nino get another year as a dominant WHA force, work on his PP and PK time and next year he’ll be the leader when that whole crew is ready for the NHL/AHL.
(Strome, Kabanov, Petrov, Nelson(?), Lee(?))
Makes for interesting conversation next off-season, Doesn’t it.

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by JPinVA on Oct 24, 2011 8:11 AM EDT reply actions  

He can have another 9 games audition this year

Niederreiter mentioned in an interview that the same could also happen next year. I don’t see him in juniors for a 4th year though.

by Francesca on Oct 24, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

No way there will be a fourth...

If there is a third (this year), it will only be because they have no other options. They kind of screwed the pooch with Rolston. They should have wasted the Money Launderer position on a defenseman… yeah… even Komisarek.
There are just too many forwards closer to becoming long term assets (within 2 years), and I’d think you’d like to get a look at some of them in responsible, but offensively productive roles. Rolston is clogging that up. I’d hate to see them screwing with Comeau any more than they absolutely need to.
The funny part is…
If Nino does join the team, and they put him with Bailey and Rolston… what did you actually accomplish? Rolston isn’t going to be around next year… Comeau will be in a fourth line role (most likely)… what does that accomplish? Nino should get 9 games of Rolston’s time… if he works, Jay Pandolfo goes to the AHL and helps grow cotton.
If he doesn’t work out, then it’s time for Ullstrom or Dibo… and again… Pandolfo is on the farm.
Rolston is like a $5M paper weight… that will allow the Devils to keep all of their assets with some room to spare. I STILL HATE THAT MOVE!

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by JPinVA on Oct 24, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea

It’s going to be very interesting to watch it pan out next year, and maybe even during the course of this season. Right now there are only 6 forwards under contract for next year (JT, Moulson, KO, Grabs, Reasoner, and Bailey). You pray to Thor that Frans joins them sooner than later. Does False First Liner PAP also get one before season’s end? There doesn’t seem to be a reason he wouldn’t be unless he thinks he can cash in on the open market somehow. Two more are under RFA control-BC and Martin, and I assume they have both shown enough to at the very least be tendered. That’s 10.

I assume hope there’s no way either Pandolfo or Rolston even last through December, let alone come back next season. But even still, without a move that is 10 spots spoken for non counting Nino. Can we move someone for a defenseman? That could open up a spot, maybe even two.

I have a feeling Rolston and Pandolfo may be on thinner ice than they seemed a week ago. The PP was just as good without Rolston, and Pandolfo had a really awful game against FLA. Whomever they call up could probably provide the same PK skills (read: desire) he does. Even still, if you assume Gillies might sit more often than not going forward, there could very well be three slots up for competition in the very near future.

It would be interesting to see what might happen if Gustavsson craps out while Reimer’s on the shelf. Toronto could very well provide the trade partner we’re looking for with Nabby and a forward headed there way for a defenseman…

Tavares is Tavares.

by afrosupreme on Oct 24, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the rebuild is far enough along ...

that you don’t want the core guys already here to get used to losing. This is JT’s third year, and Streit is another year older. Looking toward more talent to come ‘next year’ is great, but I would hope those kids will be closer to being final bricks in place, rather than foundation stones.

by dose on Oct 24, 2011 8:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Do people really get used to losing?

I lose for free pretty often and I don’t have professional pride behind my losses (ping pong, scrabble, arguments, hockey) and it bugs the ever loving shit out of me and makes me try harder.

I know it’s not just you saying it, it’s a lot of the media that chants that in unison. I just wonder how real that is because I’ve never gotten the sense from many athletes that losing is okay with them (* does not include Marbury/Curry).

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by Keith Quinn on Oct 24, 2011 9:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I hear you

But leaving the arena/stadium in your $250k Aston Martin and going home to your mansion where your model wife awaits you probably takes the sting out of losing just a bit…at least for some it has to.

by Dorfer on Oct 24, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

'Do people really get used to losing? '

I absolutely believe teams get accustomed to losing. Sometimes to the point where the only way to reverse it is to turn over the whole roster. I don’t think players or teams decide that it’s okay to lose, but at a certain point it takes hold. It can become routine and eventually accepted, then even harder to break out of. Just like a lot of other vices, weaknesses and bad habits.

by dose on Oct 24, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I Think Some Guys Can Get Used to Losing

A lot of times it’s the difference between looking out for yourself and your own individual stats rather than making sure you play as part of a team, which may or may not maximize your own stats — and future paychecks. So you’ll get guys who really might not want to block a shot, or a take a big hit to make a play, or play within a system. Instead, they “play hard” floating around the ice, looking for scoring opportunities, or if they’re tough guys, big hits, without any regard as to how that fits the team. If the team loses, so what. They got their goal and an assist, etc. Kinda like Kovulchuk.

by rmblifn on Oct 24, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do fans count?

As an Islanders and Mets fan, I am quite accustomed to losing.

by Original Rob on Oct 24, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I'm exactly like you Keith, losing at anything bugs the hell out of me "unless" I am screwing around in said game on purpose.

And if I was paid to play anything, like nhl players, I’d be even more harder on myself for my mistakes in games. Me and you would probably be like JT personality wise if we were. Too bad everyone else isn’t.

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Oct 25, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

THREE PLUS YEARS

And the only real long term asset they’ve picked up through UFA signings is Mark Streit. (I’m not counting lottery ticket Matt Moulson) When the rebuild started they learned that they did not have access to this part of the process. Prospects (Bailey, Okposo, Tavares, MacDonald and Hamonic) were brought in to play with guys on the down side of their careers (Guerin, Weight) and holdovers from the previous regime that didn’t fit the new way of doing things (Sim, Witt)….or just plain MEDIOCRE PLAYERS (EATON, MOTTAU, Jurcina)
We got to see a real suck-a-thon for two plus years, and then last year with virtually no help from “veteran leadership” they turned it around.
Now the “kids” are maturing into young veterans, and they are being lead by the MEDIOCRE. Rolston, Pandolfo, Reasoner, Eaton are nothing more than role players. None of them will lead or teach this team much.
It’s time for the next wave… but I’m not sure if that’s Nino, or young players who have been in the system at least a year and can better fill “support” roles and offer long term solutions if they work out.
I think 10 games (as has been suggested) to re-evaluate their roster moves, and we should see some different faces in the NHL after that. They still need to look LONG TERM while filling holes in the roster right now.

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by JPinVA on Oct 24, 2011 9:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Small Market Team

Like I said last year, the team will not be signing pricey free agents. It’ll go after one or two every year (Ehrhoff this year), but even there we’ll be on a budget (acquiring Ehrhoff’s rights early was an attempt to get him for a slightly cheaper than Market Price.

The team is building from the draft and waivers. And that’s fine. It’s working.

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by garik16 on Oct 24, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't say it wasn't working...

Nor did I say that we need to go back in time to fix it. Just stating this is why we are where we are.
The rolston’s, Pandolfo’s, and Mottau’s of the world are not where they need to focus…
In the first three years it should have been with better players to help PULL forwards along faster. That wasn’t available.
Now they need to have the guys who have been playing for three years… or at least pulling the weight… pull the kids prospects into the system.
That’s why I don’t see any of the Devil Droppings as more than band aids, and Cap Mules.
Reasoner serves a purpose, Eaton can be a valid 5-7 defenseman and Jurcina the same. Other than that I’d rather see them TRY to solve issues in house, like they did with Joensuu, Dibo and Haley last year. Now you have four candidates: Nino, Ullstrom, Dibo and Haley… and it looks like the D issues will have to be addressed with a trade of assets.
As we saw in FL, and MON has pulled off a move as well… there is early season player shuffling… I think Garth needs to throw his hat in the ring. The offense isn’t going to get much better with backline support like Mottau, Staios and Eaton… especially with 2/3s of the remaining D still recovering. That is the one consistent problem with all four offensive lines…. they have to play with mediocre defensemen.

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by JPinVA on Oct 24, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fun with small sample sizes!

So here’s a fun bit: This link gives the shot ratio, the corsi ratio, and the fenwick ratio for each Islander when the game is either tied or close (within 1 goal):

timeonice.com/mplayershots1112close.php?team=NYI&first=20001&last=21230

Focus on the shots column – this column simply states what percentage of shots on goal (this is not corsi, which includes all shots) have been on the opponents’ net while a player has been on the ice. Look who has the (way) lowest total. Yep he’s a good D man.

(Too small a sample size to make clear judgments based on this info, but it’s still painful)

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by garik16 on Oct 24, 2011 12:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Yay Matt Martin

Behind only KO, FN & Amac.

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by Keith Quinn on Oct 24, 2011 12:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not sure I like what I've heard from Cap's mouth talking about the 2nd and 3rd line right now:

" I’m hoping it’ll come for the other lines."
“They know what they need to do, and sometimes it takes a little bit of time, like it did with Johnny’s line.”
“So I’m not messing with those guys at all. I’m not going to show them negativity or any kind of video. I know they’re going to come around . . . and we’ll get that secondary scoring.”
“There’s no question our secondary scoring, we’re going to need it,”

“It’s obviously something that we need. I’m not going to blow the lines up right now or start to dismantle anything. If they were getting chances, it’d be one thing. But right now, they’re not getting too many chances in the games that we’ve played. We will keep them together and hopefully, it will come for those guys.”

“They’re a group that’s very creative. “They’ve got great hockey sense, they’ve got great vision. I just think that after a matter of playing five or six games under their belt, I think it’s going to come. But they’ve got to shoot the puck a little bit more and get to the net, for sure.”

To me it just sounds like he’s not going to nag them about their production or chemistry or anything, but I think that’s what needs to be done. It sounds like he’s gonna just let “them” try to fix “themselves”, which I don’t think is the best solution. I think they need their problems to be pointed out to them and he needs to tell them what they need to fix, it’s why he’s the coach. I don’t think he needs to baby them, but pointing out their problems and telling them how to fix it is sort of his job. No? I do love that last sentence though about shooting and going to the net more(even if it’s hockey 101), hopefully he is explaining that to them. lol

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Oct 24, 2011 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I can't imagine that's the case

I mean, he just benched a guy right? I get what you’re saying based on the quotes, but this, to me, reads like Bill Belicheck speak…he’s not going to point out specific guys in the media…or how he’s handling things internally.

He was reluctant to specifically praise guys or what they were doing well in camp. I could see that being the same demeanor when things are going downhill.

I’m sure he’s aware if what last years losing streak did to these guys and some of the rifts those caused/can cause. I sincerely hope and doubt his intervention is less coaching and feedback.

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by Keith Quinn on Oct 24, 2011 12:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

CAP Quest
I get what you’re saying based on the quotes, but this, to me, reads like Bill Belicheck speak…he’s not going to point out specific guys in the media…or how he’s handling things internally.

I think he is handling issues the best way he can right now. I thought that Gordon handled similar situations okay in his YEAR ONE as well. It’s not until you have time to digest their SOLUTIONS to these issues can we better determine how they are handling them. In either case we really didn’t know what was going on behind the scenes until we finally saw the results of what was being attempted.
Right now, I think the defense is causing most of the offensive woes. Capuano is going to need to ride the tide until he gets some help. In his defense, Gordon never really got any help (roster-wise)… but he never really improved the pieces that he did have. We’ve already seen that the offense can click… Besides the pairing of MacHamonic, the defense is either wounded, recovering, or just plain sucks.

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by JPinVA on Oct 24, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

ANd then there's this part from Newsday (fanshot by KO21)
“For Josh, I think he understands that when the opportunity is there, he’s got to get pucks to the net,” Capuano said. “I don’t worry much about Josh — he cares and he wants to work hard.”

Doing the amateur psych thing, you wonder how these questions are asked, or if random answers are just given…why would you need to say “he cares and wants to work hard”…it almost implies to me that other (Coughmeu) guys don’t/aren’t.

And that’s where Ozzy’s question comes into play in my mind…by not really addressing in the media, but having a little throw away like that come out, I feel like he is making statements in the room…and veiled statements through the media.

I personally think Comeau’s toast.

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by Keith Quinn on Oct 24, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sometimes a banana...

is just a banana.
I think that is more to deflect critiscism from Bailey than TO any other Isalnder. Can you speculate that Capuano wants to pr*j*ct that he wants more CARING? I guess.
But what it seems to be saying is that Josh is doing the right things, and we’re not going to bench him. Production will come.
I think we all still want to see Comeau play more agressively, but that just isn’t him. HE HAD HIS NADS SPEARED BY EXLBY… THEN EXLBY PUNCHED HIM… and he skated away. Can you get less aggressive than that? Comeau wants to be an offensive player, much like Trent Hunter. If that’s what you want from Blake Comeau you’re going to have to trade him for somebody with a sack, and, most likely, some other baggage.
Just some further thought… when Coemau got rocked, Bailey was right there to defend his teammate. Bailey has taken a few questionable hits… no response. Makes you wonder.

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by JPinVA on Oct 24, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I just wanted outside opinions on this. I wasn't sure how to take,

but it could just be coach/media talk or it could be “hinting” at stuff. I don’t know.

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Oct 25, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can you speculate that Capuano wants to pr*j*ct that he wants more CARING? I guess.

See that’s the thing…I’ve never thought that Bailey doesn’t care…nor have I heard anyone in the media come even relatively close to saying that. That’s why I wonder why Cappy said it…could be a banana, could be amessage, but given his recent benching of BC and the way he has addressed the media about that situation…I speculate…because I have nothing better to do.

I’ve heard “lost” (but in the way that implies needing guidance…not lack of heart), “ineffective” (and worse). But yes, you’re 100% right that I’ve basically seen Bailey throw down for Comeau (and really the whole team to some degree if you’re looking at TEH RECKONING) and I’ve seen some fire and passion from Bailey at times…never seen any change in COmeau’s play really.

Down, up, cheapshot, whatever, he is still doing his usual thing at the usual speed with the usual results. He doesn’t seem passionate, desperate or situational at all.

At least Hunter was among the league leaders inn hits in his early goings and would stand in front of the net a bit…I’d kil for two seasons of that from BC.

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by Keith Quinn on Oct 24, 2011 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Dammit, above a reply to JP.

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by Keith Quinn on Oct 24, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.

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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.

Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.

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May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.

A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.

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