LHH Tournament Of Legends
Back in August I put out a call for people who wanted to take part in a tournament. Hoping to get 10 people involved, and with each person drafting 10 players from the Islanders history, it required a ranking of 110 Isles. In the end four people volunteered and sent me in lists, Fire Garth Snow, ChrisMC, Pretty Good Idiot and MDelbags. Since they had sent in more then enough players, I decided to have them draft whole teams. Other then the top 4 of every list, there was very little that was the same between them.
Each team ended up with 19 players, 12 forwards, 6 defenseman and 1 goalie. I told them not to worry about Wings and Centers in order to make things easier. I also allowed them to add some character by naming the team and picking the lines, those that didn't I just setup lines based on when people were drafted. After the jump is the results of the draft and each team roster. This is going to be the first of two parts. I need you the reader to vote in the comments on which teams you think would win. The two winning teams and two losing teams will face off in the next part for 1st and 3rd place respectively.
I just wanted to say thank you to those that joined, as it was definitely tough to rank 110 Islander players. If people like how this worked out, we might try something similar in the future.
Draft Results and Rosters
Fire Garth Snow
1.1 Mike Bossy - F
2.1 Clark Gillies - F
3.1 John Tonelli - F
4.1 Bob Nystrom - F
5.1 Zdeno Chara - D
6.1 Roberto Luongo - G
7.1 Butch Goring - F
8.1 Bob Bourne - F
9.1 Vladimir Malakhov - D
10.1 Billy Harris - F
11.1 Olli Jokinen - F
12.1 Duane Sutter - F
13.1 Ryan Smyth - F
14.1 Wendell Clark - F
15.1 Dave Volek - F
16.1 Bryan McCabe - D
17.1 Mathieu Schnieder - D
18.1 Eric Brewer - D
19.1 Tom Poti - D
ChrisMC
1.2 Bryan Trottier - F
2.2 Pat Lafontaine - F
3.2 Brent Sutter - F
4.2 Ray Ferraro - F
5.2 Alexei Yashin - F
6.2 Mariusz Czerkawski - F
7.2 Tomas Jonsson - D
8.2 Patrick Flatley - F
9.2 Mikko Makela - F
10.2 Rick DiPietro - G
11.2 Adrian Aucoin - D
12.2 Miroslav Satan - F
13.2 Anders Kallur- F
14.2 Trent Hunter - F
15.2 J.P. Parise - F
16.2 Tom Kurvers - D
17.2 Doug Crossman - D
18.2 Jeff Norton - D
19.2 Gerald Diduck - D
Pretty Good Idiot
1.3 Denis Potvin - D
2.3 Ziggy Palffy - F
3.3 Steve Thomas - F
4.3 Derek King - F
5.3 Matt Moulson - F
6.3 Michael Grabner - F
7.3 Michael Peca - F
8.3 Jason Blake - F
9.3 Robert Riechel - F
10.3 Mark Parrish - F
11.3 Bryan Berard - D
12.3 Brian Smolinski - F
13.3 Janne Niinimaa - D
14.3 Roman Hamrlik - D
15.3 Ron Hextall - G
16.3 Trevor Linden - F
17.3 Tom Fitzgerald - F
18.3 Jamie Heward - D
19.3 Gord Lane - D
Mdelbags
1.4 Billy Smith - G
2.4 Pierre Turgeon - F
3.4 Stefan Persson - D
4.4 Mark Streit - D
5.4 John Tavares - F
6.4 Darius Kasparaitis - D
7.4 Beniot Hogue - F
8.4 Ken Morrow - D
9.4 Kenny Jonsson - D
10.4 Jean Potvin - D
11.4 Gary Howatt - F
12.4 Dave Scatchard - F
13.4 Frans Nielsen - F
14.4 Kyle Okposo - F
15.4 Doug Weight - F
16.4 Claude Lapointe - F
17.4 Todd Bertuzzi - F
18.4 Lorne Henning - F
19.4 Bill Guerin - F
Lines
Fire Garth Snow
ChrisMC
Trottier - Lafontaine - Sutter
Ferraro - Yashin - Czerwaski
Flatley - Makela - Satan
Kallur - Hunter - Parise
Defense Pairings:
T. Jonsson - Aucoin
Kurvers - Crossman
Norton - Diduck
Dipietro
Captain: Trottier
Pretty Good Idiot
Moulson - Reichel - Palffy
Blake - Smolinski - Grabner
Thomas - Peca - Parrish
King - Linden - Fitzgerald
Defense Pairings
Potvin - Berard
Hamrlik - Heward
Niinimaa - Lane
Hextall
Captain: Potvin A's to Peca and Linden
Team Nickname: Glue Sniffin' Gutless Pukes
MDelbags
Turgeon - Tavares - Hogue
Howatt - Nielsen - Scratchard
Okposo - Weight - Lapointe
Bertuzzi - Henning - Guerin
Defense Pairings
Persson - Streit
Kasparaitis - Morrow
K. Jonsson - J. Potvin
Smith
Captain: Turgeon
Consider all players to be in their primes, even if their primes weren't with the Islanders. The first round will be Fire Garth Snow Vs MDelbags and ChrisMC Vs Pretty Good Idiot. Leave your votes in the comments below, and I'll calculate who moves on. Hopefully I'll have the finals posted within two weeks, instead of taking over a month to get this far.
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HAHAHA
Another awesome caption! Somewhere Battlin seethes.
I have to think a bit more about those matchups….
by Isle in Topanga on Oct 19, 2011 10:42 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Best caption ever.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 19, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
MDLBags...
…are hangin’ low. His second line is comprised of three of my favorite Islanders, but I don’t think they’d be very productive…. Nielsen, however, would have plenty of protection for his DARK SIDE.
Who cares... John Tavares is here until 2017-18!!!
To be fair about lines
PGI and FGS sent me in theirs, while MDel and ChrisMC I just plugged players in where they were drafted. So don’t worry too much about how the lines would look, as I told them originally just worry about drafting forwards and not to draft a balanced team of centers/left wingers/right wingers
"Failing upwards! How come I can’t ever seem to do that?" - AP77 on Strang's ESPN Job
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
I dont know if you emailed me or what
but I never got anything asking for lines or captains or anything. The lines look pretty good to me though. And if I was naming the team it probably would’ve been Clean Up on Isles #1
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by Chris McNally on Oct 19, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
no worries, I sent it to your gmail account under the title LHH Tournament
"Failing upwards! How come I can’t ever seem to do that?" - AP77 on Strang's ESPN Job
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
Dp i can understand but no ozzy?
Dp had imho a vezina worthy season in 06-07 but how can you take Ron hextall over osgood
loving the tears of fallen leaf fans...JT IS OURS
by DarthDoyle on Oct 19, 2011 11:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I had all of them on my list
But I had DP higher than the others. The way I went at it was take a player at his best year and compare them that way. And since it is an All-Time Islanders team, I tried to only consider their best Islanders season, not their best with another team. So I thought DP came out ahead of the rest in that regard.
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by Chris McNally on Oct 19, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
how can you take Ron hextall over osgood
Im with you. Hextall= UGH. And as good as his non-Islanders time was, Osgood had far more success.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Oct 19, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
My weaksauce Hextall "defense"
Once I knew it was full careers, I had to include him. True, his prime was with Philly years before his one mediocre season as an Islander.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
Yea, but Hextall had an insane run to finish the season and get the Isles barely into the playoffs:
All-Star Pre 38 15 18 3 121 1125 1004 .892 3.38
Post 27 12 8 3 63 676 613 .907 2.64
Nearly as many wins in the 2nd half as he had in 11 more games in the 1st half
"Failing upwards! How come I can’t ever seem to do that?" - AP77 on Strang's ESPN Job
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
He also went 6-2-1 in Feb with a 925 SV% and 4-0-2 in April with a 926 SV%
"Failing upwards! How come I can’t ever seem to do that?" - AP77 on Strang's ESPN Job
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
And then in the playoffs he was horrifying.
He let in the first SOG more than once!
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Oct 20, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Umm Im going to vote for ChrisMc's team
That boy can draft
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need a vote
for the MDelbags – Fire Garth snow matchup too, lol
"Failing upwards! How come I can’t ever seem to do that?" - AP77 on Strang's ESPN Job
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
sorry, so enamored with my team i forgot there were other ones
PGI’s forwards are better but MD’s d and goalie win out. I love the d too much, vote for MDelbags
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by Chris McNally on Oct 19, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Chris
Drop me a line over email when you get a moment.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
How is Kenny Jonsson the 9th defenseman selected?
Is this according to their best season as an Islander? If so, Aucoin is a steal in round 11.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Oct 19, 2011 11:58 AM EDT reply actions
LLH Tournament
MDelbags, defense wins, and 1-5 is solid and there is the other Potvin
My VOTE: Fire Garth Snow
1.1 Mike Bossy – F firepower extreme
2.1 Clark Gillies – F grit and firepower
3.1 John Tonelli – F grit and the ultimate forechecker
4.1 Bob Nystrom – F grit, detremination and key goals
5.1 Zdeno Chara – D 9’ 10" (lol) can anyone get by him? NO
6.1 Roberto Luongo – G OK, I would take Billy Smith, money man!
7.1 Butch Goring – F speed, grit and scoring
8.1 Bob Bourne – F speed, speed, and more speed with scoring
9.1 Vladimir Malakhov – D OK, decent enough
10.1 Billy Harris – F good scoring
11.1 Olli Jokinen – F godd scoring
12.1 Duane Sutter – F tough forechecker and two way forward
13.1 Ryan Smyth – F OK, park him in front of the net and watch him score
14.1 Wendell Clark – F Ah, OK I guess
15.1 Dave Volek – F speed,
16.1 Bryan McCabe – D Good D-man, good point man on the PP
17.1 Mathieu Schnieder – good point man on the PP
18.1 Eric Brewer – D Huh?
19.1 Tom Poti – D Huh?
I don’t see enough toughness on Mdelbags’ squad to match this line-up.
Fire Garth Snow’s squad wins 5-2.
We are all Islanders, even if we’re from Jersey!
I agree
Anybody whe these 4 guys on their team..
1.1 Mike Bossy – F
2.1 Clark Gillies – F
3.1 John Tonelli – F
4.1 Bob Nystrom – F
That’s pure win.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 19, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
That's exactly what I was going to say
How did you wind up with those 4? I was just psyched to get both Hogue and Kaspar on my team but I vote for Fire Garth Snow against my guys. How can you loose with those 4 in your lineup?
In the other matchup I vote for Pretty Good Idiot. His fowards have a ‘dude’ factor…they may not be the most dynamic bunch of scorers but seeing all those personalities on one team would be a trip. Pretty Good Idiot’s D and G are superior to ChrisMC’s D and G.
The only team that could beat FGS's team
Is if every player was Nystrom on one team. Nystrom would even be the goalie, no mask.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 19, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Bobby Nystrom's the Chuck Norris of hockey.
He can play goal without a mask, he just has to stare the puck dead before it reaches him.
He won trophies for his game face.
His mustache carried weight that would break a lesser man’s face…and so did his fists.
He played his entire career without wearing a cup; a standard NHL puck would shatter like glass if it hit him in the groin.
Bobby Nystrom wasn’t born. He floated in on an ice flow one day, fully grown, with a hockey stick in hand, wearing the skin of a polar bear he’d killed by growling at it and munching on what was left of said polar bear.
He’s the only man Clark Gillies ever called “Sir”.
Before he fought Nystrom, Terry Riley had an IQ of 90. Since he fought Nystrom, Terry Riley’s IQ has tested “Negative”.
The Nassau Coliseum actually collapsed ten years ago. Bobby Nystrom rebuilt it in one day and holds it together through sheer force of will.
John Tavares: Loyalty. Character. The power to put every sports writer in Toronto on anti-depressants just by signing a piece of paper.
by BrassBonanza10 on Oct 20, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
How the cookie crumbles
mdelbags was the only person with Billy Smith in the top 4
and I believe that FGS is a bit older, just going by his draft list he had a lot of the 70s and 80s era Islanders on it
"Failing upwards! How come I can’t ever seem to do that?" - AP77 on Strang's ESPN Job
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
Donde esta El Senor Bam-Bam?
No Langevin? No Steve Webb for 500 grit sandpaper? I’d probably have used Scott (own-goal) LaChance over some of the 3rd line D-men…..good stuff tho.
Still wondering what went wrong with Mikko Makela after all these years. Those were 2 promising years he had with us.
by 4PeatSake on Oct 19, 2011 1:21 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I was thinking the same thing on Langevin
"If the bell needs to be answered, we've got the guys to answer it." "If they want to start something, that's fine."- Trevor Gillies
Mikko kind of flakey, wasn't he?
That was the impression I got, mostly from reading between the lines at the time.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
He was Finnish (and still is)
which is similar to Danish. You wouldn’t call that flakey, would you?
Seriously, that kid has some great skills. I think he’d have been better served staying in Europe with bigger rinks and fewer games…..just a hunch.
Makela had skills
Too bad he only used them once or twice a month, if I remember correctly.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
Best name is Isles history
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 19, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My votes
Fire Garth Snow
and
ChrisMC
"If the bell needs to be answered, we've got the guys to answer it." "If they want to start something, that's fine."- Trevor Gillies
Is this going based on their Isles careers or full NHL careers?
That could change some things: making Lu and Chara worse then they are, etc.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Try to take into consideration their whole careers
I got 2 of the lists before I clarified that originally. Although Lu was debately solid for an awful Islanders team
"Failing upwards! How come I can’t ever seem to do that?" - AP77 on Strang's ESPN Job
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
Given the historical context
it’s appropriate that Pretty Good Idiot has Palffy on his team, doncha think?
STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Oct 19, 2011 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Ha
Yes.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Damn. Even I didn't realize that.
I should have drafted Ziggy’s agent, too.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
mdelbags over FGS; ChrisMC over PGI by a hair
For mdelbags: down the middle of Tavares, Nielsen, full-career Weight, plus Turgeon? Sandpaper from the wings with Scatch, LaPointe, Okposo — and oh yeah Bertuzzi and Guerin, too? That gets my vote, with an alright defense being bailed out by Battlin Billy. Oh, to see that lineup on the ice.
The other one was much harder for me. ChrisMC’s offense versus PGI’s defense. In the end I go with ChrisMC but I don’t feel very good about it, because I think PGI’s D and two-way centers could shut those guys down in any given series.
Fun exercise. Makes me want to sim some EA year-whatever.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
I could possibly
take the winners roster and sim it in the 11-12 NHL roster via EHM
"Failing upwards! How come I can’t ever seem to do that?" - AP77 on Strang's ESPN Job
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
What the biggest steal?
I think Guerin with the 19th pick by Mdelbags. Although he has a lot of later picks that you could consider steals: Weight, Bertuzzi, etc.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
1st round
I’ll take the offense of Fire Garth Snow over the weaker defense and goal tending of CrisMC. ( although it beaks my heart as Cris took my second favorite Isle in Anders Kallur) Mdelbags very strong defense and just enough offense to get by PGI. Sorry PGI, Denis and Gord can’t log enough ice ice time to save you!
Finals- Wow! Fire Garth Snows very potent offense versus Mdlelbags stingy D. Garth has my number 1 Isle in Gillies, but Mark has Smith with two l"s. Figure a 7 overtime thriller with Mark on top, just because Garth doesn’t need to be fired and he made me type it twice in this post! ;)
Back....
had to take a Campbell and wipe my Bettman.
by skeeterman on Oct 19, 2011 7:03 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
breaks not beaks!
I have a big beak, although it breaks my heart to admit it.
Back....
had to take a Campbell and wipe my Bettman.
lol!
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Oct 20, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Smolinski
could never be a 2nd line center when Peca and Linden are below him.
Considering these players are taken at their prime ?
Get out of the sticks, Charles, move to Queens!! Come, Get some respect a Professional team deserves!!
Win or lose, I had fun doing this
Yes, I’m older, so I went with more 70’s and 80’s. as Mark said. And being older, I had my biases…like I could never stand Ken Morrow! I’ll take Bourne and Goring over Tavares and Nielsen for one reason. The latter haven’t HAD their prime yet, at least hopefully. Goring gave them the 2 way center they needed to take the pressure off Bossy, Trots and Gillies, and was no slouch before coming to NY… Actually the 2nd line on that team was Nystrom, Goring, and Tonelli. Nobody is beating up anybody on my team with Gillies and Nystrom. Malakhov had 2 solid season for NY 52 and 57 points. Close to Streit numbers, no? And was better defensively. I was short a center for 3rd line.
Couldn’t get Smith, so I had to ‘settle’ for Luongo. I did base most (80%+) of my list on Isles careers, hence Poti with 44 points in the one season he played, and not including Henning, who had become a PK specialist in NY with Westfall, Weight or Guerin…… such is life.
I set this up they way I do my current fantasy drafts. I usually save D-men for last. Brewer was an All-Star at one point, so not complaining.
Since I’m voting for myself, as far as the other match-up, gonna go with ChrisMC based on top line and pre “I’ve Fallen And I Can’t Get Up” DiPietro. Too bad, he was improving every year before that damn Skills competition.
Thanks for doing this Mark. I’ll be in next time
"Is that all you got, I'll take your best shot......Here comes the BOOM!"
by FireGarthSnow on Oct 19, 2011 11:08 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Hex and Glass Ricky taken over Tommy Salo?!
“Are you all on dope?!”#MrHand
Salo was a stud goalie on some bad Isles teams. Put him on a better team during his prime (which he spent with the Isles) and he’d have won a Vezina in a couple of those seasons or at least finished in the top three in voting.
John Tavares: Loyalty. Character. The power to put every sports writer in Toronto on anti-depressants just by signing a piece of paper.
by BrassBonanza10 on Oct 19, 2011 11:47 PM EDT reply actions
AGAIN! someone brings up Tommy Salo's name! Shame on you Brass Bonanza, lol
I must start drinking heavily early because of this!
We are all Islanders, even if we’re from Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Oct 20, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Warning: Intense hockey reasoning here
It breaks my heart to vote against a team with Turgeon, Nielsen, Streit and KJ, but FGS has the missing piece of the puzzle, so he automatically wins the Stanley Cup four times in a row. (It doesn’t work that way?)
The other pairing is closer. ChrisMC’s team seems more balanced. And Czerk was part of the only trade where You-Know-Who screwed anybody (though it didn’t appear that way at the time). On the other hand, Heward had the decency to chose the right team when he came in Switzerland. Czerk, not so much. But I’ll still go with ChrisMC.
by Kaonashi on Oct 20, 2011 4:14 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
ChrisMC has my two favorite Isles
LaFontaine and Czerkawski, so I’ve gotta go with him, even if it would scare the crap out of me to have DiPi as my goalie without any backups…
Time to update this: 2009 Did Not Happen. Neither did 2010. Or 2011. Sports suck.
I just want to share with everyone
the way I ranked players was on their best season, so if we went that way, this would be my teams stats at the end of the season:
Forwards:
Pat Lafontaine 53-95-148 +11
Bryan Trottier 47-87-134 +76
Brent Sutter 42-60-102 +42
Alexei Yashin 44-50-94 +16
Ray Ferraro 40-40-80 +25
Mikko Makela 36-40-76 +14
J.P. Parise 27-48-75
Miroslav Satan 37-36-73 +14
Mariusz Czerkawski 35-35-70 -16
Anders Kallur 36-28-64 +25
Patrick Flatley 18-34-52 +20
Trent Hunter 25-26-51 +23
Defense
Tom Kurvers 16-50-66 +11
Doug Crossman 15-44-59 +3
Jeff Norton 12-38-50 -3
Tomas Jonsson 13-35-48 +40
Adrian Aucoin 13-31-44 +29
Gerald Diduck 11-21-32 +9
And Ricky would have had a 2.58 GAA, .919 Sv %, and 5 Shutouts
so even if I dont win this, if this team took the ice today they probably win the presidents cup.
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