Recap - Islanders 4 (EN), Rangers 2: Evgeni Nabokov a Winner, John Tavares a Franchise
John Tavares was everywhere. We would say this even if he didn't slip a backhand empty-netter for the hat trick, or even if he didn't put the game-winner in on a brilliant tip by a brilliant slap-pass from Mark Streit. The Rangers stood in the way, impeded progress, knocked him down, but he'd get his footing back, the puck would land on his stick, a scoring chance would follow.
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He stands atop the NHL scoring leaderboard at this early moment, having a hand in all four Islanders goals tonight. More importantly, he looks faster and involved in more plays and, well, he's getting closer to the dreams Islanders fans had of him in summer 2009. And he's 21.
Derbies are always nerve-wrackers and this was no different, with a fantastic atmosphere of Isles and Smurfs fans that makes this rivalry fun and special. But the Islanders benefited from an opponent that hadn't played in a week, had shaken off tran-Atlantic travel, and was missing Marc Staal. (And Michael Sauer, and Wojtec Wolski.) They opened the game controlling play, drawing penalties and putting the Rangers on their heels. Twice they gave up the lead on opportunistic Ranger goals that capitalized on Islanders mistakes.
Then came the third period, a Tavares party. Just 3:30 into the third came the powerplay redirect. The Islanders managed the game well after that -- a late powerplay was played safe -- setting the stage for Matt Moulson to feed Tavares to make it rain. (Hats. Rain hats.)
Game Highlights
Comeau Scratch, Nabokov Debut
Lost in all this, Evgeni Nabokov had a strong debut in the Islanders net, stopping 29 of 31 shots. There was a scary moment mid-way through the third where it looked like he stretched wrong with his left leg and was slow getting up. But he was able to finish the game without ill effect.
The first Rangers goal was a Marian Gaborik breakaway -- those tend to be hard to stop -- after Marty Reasoner lost the puck inside the Rangers blueline and Brad Richards sent Gaborik home free. The second goal was a defensive mismanagement that ended with a Brandon Prust wraparound going in off of Frans Nielsen's skate. The defense helped get to rebounds, with only two really hairy sequences where the D saved Nabokov's bacon -- including a fantastic Travis Hamonic pokecheck in the second.
Also lost in this: The decision to scratch 24-goal-scorer Blake Comeau for enforcer Trevor Gillies' first game (four shifts, 2:47) did not backfire. I'm generally a Comeau defender -- he can score and kill penalties -- but I'll never deny that he has been an interesting case to manage over the years. If you look through the lineup for players who might need a coaching "message" sent from time to time, he is in my top three.
Whether Gillies is necessary is a topic of tired debate, but it will be interesting to watch the next move now that Gillies is off IR and Jack Capuano has the extra "I can scratch you" slot.
The powerplay mostly sustained good possession and pressure, but the Brian Rolston role at the point is still up for debate. He takes a long time to curl around to his forehand and he forced some passes (and shots), but I also suspect the Islanders' worst powerplay was when he and Streit and the top line had already logged a lot of first-period minutes. Roughly 2:29 for those guys on the PP in that period alone. The powerplay did go 2 for 8 though and exhibited mostly good Henrik Lundqvist-testing pressure, so hard to complain.
Various Notes Unsuitable for Conventional Paragraph Structure
- Nice to see the Islanders draw more penalties than the opponents (8 Rangers penalties, 4 Islanders). It was deserved. Outside of the Gaborik-Richards connection, the Islanders drove the bulk of play. Gaborik's neutral-zone hook of Frans Nielsen in a one-goal game with under five minutes left was tremendously stupid, and welcome.
- Actually, there was also a too many men call, a Brian Boyle delay of game for pawing the puck for too long, and a Tim Erixon interference -- a lot of bad penalties by the Rangers that no doubt drove John Torotorella nuts.
- Tavares' first PP goal had a bit of luck to it, but there was also a subtle touch to his backhand: He didn't just shovel the rebound like many players would. Instead he collected it, paused for a millisecond, and then shot, which I think let Lundqvist set, legs open just enough, the way a goalie does when he's expecting an immediate rebound toss.
- So, Mark Streit is back then, eh?
- The Islanders' biggest weakness has not been Comeau or the third line; it's been their third pairing of Mike Mottau and Mark Eaton. Mottau has been the weaker link there, but neither in their better days has been responsible for elevating a weaker partner. (Of course, one of the few times Eaton wasn't out there with Mottau, Hamonic was on the ice and Reasoner's turnover led to the breakaway goal. Single goals and single games never tell the full story.) Come back, Milan Jurcina.
- I love it when Matt Moulson scores the first goal in this game. Great celebration that reflects the extra intensity of this rivalry.
- Tavares' helped lead that rush on Moulson's goal but also provided the essential screen on a nicely placed shot by Matty Mo.
- Matt Martin replaced Comeau on the Josh Bailey-Brian Rolston line and looked about as good as he has in the previous three games so far. Officially he had four hits and two shots, and ties Tavares for the team lead in shots on the season with 12. He's obviously taking literally the Capuano mantra of getting pucks to the net. His is another evolution that will be worth keeping tabs on. There is plenty of forward competition looming from below in the next year or two.
- Without frequent running mate Comeau, I thought Bailey had a alright game. Not particularly offensively, of course, but he and Rolston faced Richards and Gaborik the most tonight. I'll be interested to see how bad their scoring chance table is. Is Jack Capuano turning him into a defense-focused role?
Most importantly, the Rangers are winless and the Islanders have three regulation wins. Sweet.
Hat Trick Boy
Tavares talks after his third career hat trick:
Goatee Man
Capuano on the game: Complimentary and pleased, but also: "We can play better -- we gave up some good scoring chances." Agreed:
Plenty more at Isles TV.
FIG Winners: Lots of people picked Moulson, but Jones79 nailed the assists and was closest in game time. Lots of points to go around, which we'll tally up and add to the standings.
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By far and away, the best news i heard all day. Couldn’t watch the game, but seeing the final score is a sight for sore eyes. I hope it was as awesome as it appeared from the ten seconds of Rags-leaning coverage that the local news showed.
Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Oct 15, 2011 11:32 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Really fun game
Was thinking in the third, even if it turned out a shootout loss or something, that it lived up to the rivalry quite well — and that’s without fights or anything. Just exciting hockey.
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by Dominik on Oct 15, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ah cool. Thanks Dom.
And i’ll check on the FIG points tomorrow evening when i get home.
Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Oct 15, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Couldn't of said it any better.
I screamed from the couch when we scored the first goal and my family gave me a weird look. lol.
Cowboys and Islanders season. Where are the Knicks?
It really was
Just such a fun, exciting games. Lots of up and down action, but plenty of physical play too. I had to leave during the second intermission, saw on my phone it was 3-2 when I got to my buddies place. After a bit I remembered Center Ice is free right now, so slyly flipped it on. Was less sly when I jumped off the couch after the ENG…
Tavares is Tavares.
Cappy
feels like the perfect coach for this team in a long time
"Failing upwards! How come I can’t ever seem to do that?" - AP77 on Strang's ESPN Job
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by Mark D on Oct 15, 2011 11:37 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
It's because he looks like Billy Joel.
And because he’s awesome.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
Billy Joel wished he looked so good.
LOL.
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by Bababouy on Oct 16, 2011 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
fred flintstone...
i hope the isles do well enough for him to be considered for coach of the year. that’d be another nice story in the nhl.
"son of a bitch i'm sick of these dolphins"
- Steve Zissou
by gukid17 on Oct 16, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think I said this a few threads ago, but
It’s funny how he speaks in a lot of coach cliches, yet they are relevant and applicable. In other words, it’s not “we gotta want it more” or “we had momentum” but rather a lot of other platitudes that actually have in-game tactical relevance.
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Cliches are cliches for a reason
Most of the time they’re true. I think he says them because he wants the team to really understand that basic “work hard take it one game at a time” stuff. A lot of coaches and players use those cliches to just duck out of interviews. I don’t get that vibe from Captain Jack.
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Arsenal might get relegated this year
Sorry Dom, I want you as sad as I am :)
Blueshirt Banter: Covering the New York Rangers the only NHL team with three home arenas.
"We can trade Lisin for a gun, then hold it to Drury’s head and make him waive the no-movement clause" - XLII
"Tortorelli sounds like a kind of pasta… an unforgiving, stubborn, chewy, flavorless pasta that demands ‘jam’ from other pastas." - Dig Deep
Ha!
Fortunately I don’t believe you. When it comes to Frenchmen, I still trust Wenger even more than Parenteau.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Now's not the time for that discussion
I’ll allow you to enjoy your win. You guys got a fun young team, should be a great year. We’ll get ya next time
Blueshirt Banter: Covering the New York Rangers the only NHL team with three home arenas.
"We can trade Lisin for a gun, then hold it to Drury’s head and make him waive the no-movement clause" - XLII
"Tortorelli sounds like a kind of pasta… an unforgiving, stubborn, chewy, flavorless pasta that demands ‘jam’ from other pastas." - Dig Deep
by Joe Fortunato on Oct 16, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I follow Sheffield Wednesday
so know the pain of relegation well – not to be taken lightly
as for the Blueshirts, you guys could be in big trouble this year – good luck over there with that motley group of defensemen
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...have a cute history.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
that's that crappy team that lives on the ghetto side of north london right?
Isles jerseys I've owned: Fisherman, Tim Connolly, Josh Bailey RBK Edge edition. I've got a history of success.
I trust him not to get us relegated
he’s made some questionable decisions recently though.
BTW do you read Arseblog?
Isles jerseys I've owned: Fisherman, Tim Connolly, Josh Bailey RBK Edge edition. I've got a history of success.
When I have time I do
And I agree he’s made some questionable decisions lately. Between the big departures, recurring injured — and all while the goalkeeping finally looks set! — a frustrating time.
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Just curious
I’m pretty sure every Arsenal fan reads it. He’s got something like 58k followers on twitter.
"I didn't know if I was going to be handed a kielbasa or punched in the face." Florida Coach Kevin Dineen on the raucous atmosphere at Nassau Coliseum before opening-night.
Yes
He routinely ruins the ending of UCL games I’m DVRing to watch when I get home!
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
P.S.
Bastard.
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by Dominik on Oct 16, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You guys show that not all Ranger fans are dicks.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Oct 16, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ranger Fans
quite possibly the worst
but to have one stop giving excuses (Staal being out was the biggest) and say the following
“looks like you guys may finally be for real” was priceless
then he started with European trip has killed there legs (makes no sense) and I walked away
not even close
I hate the Rangers, but they have very good, knowwledgable fans
Devils fans are the worst….
by Cary K on Oct 16, 2011 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nope, that "honor" belongs to the Phlyer Freaks...
They booed a PSA for the fight against cancer…just because of the players in it.
Philly: It’s a good thing they don’t win championships. It’d put a spotlight on their fans.
John Tavares: Loyalty. Character. The power to put every sports writer in Toronto on anti-depressants just by signing a piece of paper.
by BrassBonanza10 on Oct 16, 2011 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Philly has never won a Super Bowl
Haven’t won a cup since before Carter was president. The Philles have lost the most games in the history of the Big 4 sports, and they live in Philly, around each other. You’d boo everything too.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 16, 2011 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
The Phillies are a pretty damn good team now
and are thus completely reprehensible.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Oct 16, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
There was noise and stuff from both sides around me during the anthem.
by dunnowhat2type on Oct 16, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Hard to argue, but it was once said of Philly fans:
“They’d have booed Jesus for dropping The Cross!”
I honestly believe that statement is 100% factually correct.
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by BrassBonanza10 on Oct 17, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Jesus=bust
fire GOD!!!11
NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
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Bababouy agrees
I hate the Rangers
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This image from the +/- thread is full of win.

I'm a mets, jets, islander, and terps fan. Also known as a glutton for perennial punishment.
by longbeach on Oct 16, 2011 12:21 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs

"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
by PGI on Oct 16, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 9 recs

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 16, 2011 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Funny you use that one
Because the celebration tonight reminded me of his first NHL goal.
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Me too, Dom
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 16, 2011 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't tell you how pleased I am that historic goal happened in *that* jersey
And not the RBK stripe/piping bonanza.
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by Dominik on Oct 16, 2011 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice shot of Tavares doin' the Cabbage Patch!
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by BrassBonanza10 on Oct 17, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
PGI
I hope you don’t mind if I make that my wallpaper.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 16, 2011 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Not at all
Enjoy
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security
I had no idea the Coliseum had so much security. Section 328 right next to me had like 25 guys up there trying to sort stuff out and throwing out a lot of people during the second intermission. They even had the big guns, the security supervisors, up there. Atmosphere was insane, though Islanders Army didn’t sing as many of their signature songs as they typically do.
It also seems that we have two consistent anthem singers. Opening night was a FDNY member, but since then, it’s been either Gabrielle Jade Ross, who sang during the pre season game, or Kelly something…we’ll see how that goes, at least a little better and more professional than having LI school choruses singing it every game.
by dunnowhat2type on Oct 16, 2011 12:36 AM EDT reply actions
they should have security for Islanders Rangers games
when I worked for the team in 1981, well, lets just say I could tell you some stories….
And I'm sure, we would like to hear some of those stories :)
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
yes you would
lets see what can I actually say publicly – actually it was 1982, there goes that memory again…
I was the receptionist (took phone calls & the VIP area) during games while attending Hofstra that season only, sadly the only one of the 4 we didn’t win the cup at the NVMC
my Dad who got us season tickets every year starting in 1972 was the architect for the team (he was with the firm that did the NVMC, then went solo around that time and kept his relationship with the team, and got me the job as a perk while I was in college)
the most notable thing was the bomb scare I had to handle
Mike McEwen’s wife was a piece of work
Dave Langevin was very nice
Nelson Rockefeller was very drunk
by Cary K on Oct 16, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Your dad was the architect? Your dad is Bill Torrey?
I want more stories!!!!
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Definitely much more prevalent for the NYI-NYR games
Although even outside of that, I don’t remember other NHL rinks where they’re so visible, in the yellow tees.
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by Dominik on Oct 16, 2011 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
security supervisors have black tees.
by dunnowhat2type on Oct 16, 2011 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah, missed that word in your comment. The guys in yellow always stand out to me (intentionally, I’m sure). A lot of other rinks you have security people gently serving tea.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
For the home opener last week, there was a yellow shirt sitting in on the stairs right next to me. I don’t know why they didn’t bother with that last night. Must have been worse sections around the arena.
by dunnowhat2type on Oct 16, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s because other rinks aren’t on STRONG ISLAND-Welcome to the gun show baby!
Tavares is Tavares.
by afrosupreme on Oct 16, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Some of the security guards are huge, I swear you could think a couple of them are Arnold working his day job.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Congratz to my Islanders
And my Avs. My favorite hockey teams made Bababouy’s night.
Travares is a beast !
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That's one way to look at it
The Islanders are 3-1 for the first time since 2007-08, when they won just 32 games the rest of the season and finished last in the Atlantic Division.
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Oct 16, 2011 1:01 AM EDT reply actions
Yeah, figures TSN is already trying to throw a wet blanket on a team they don't wanna cover.
Problem for them is, this ain’t the 2007-08 Islanders, this is a team packing some serious firepower and a phenom named Tavares at the top of the deck.
So to TSN, I raise my middle digits in salute.
John Tavares: Loyalty. Character. The power to put every sports writer in Toronto on anti-depressants just by signing a piece of paper.
by BrassBonanza10 on Oct 16, 2011 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I join that salute.
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I third it...
That team was a bucket of spare parts that worked while it was somewhat healthy.. and then it fell apart. THis team is young, h**lthy(afraid to use that word in public) and might even get better as the season progresses.
Jurcina replacing Mottau…maybe Comeau being shipped for somehting even better on D… dehaan… Donovan…
Good depth (not great) in the A with dibo, ullstrom and a brother-in-law or two.
Who cares... John Tavares is here until 2017-18!!!
Heads up NHL...
Mount St. Tavares is erupting!
And hey- BONUS!- The Stay Puffed Russian Marshmallow Goalie did okay for a guy who hasn’t played a meaningful game in a few years.
Considering their production and place on the team, we really need to come up with a catchy nickname for our first line.
Second line’s FnGO, well, we need an even cooler nick for Tavares-Moulson-PA!
A fine night of hockey by our team. The kind of night that makes you think:
“We’ve got a team that can compete.”
and
“Wonder how that prick from the Columbus Compost Dispatch is going to try and spin this in “Power Rankings”?"
and
“It’s a shame they had to play this game on the same night as that Clinton concert. Nobody from the Puck Daddy staff were going to watch this when Lady Gaga was on the other channel.”
John Tavares: Loyalty. Character. The power to put every sports writer in Toronto on anti-depressants just by signing a piece of paper.
Well obviously we can't come up with a name for the first line
until we have a real first liner like Nino on it.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Oct 16, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
when Nino is back
what happens then?
this?
Moulson-JT-PAP
FNGO
Rolston-Bailey-Niederreiter
Martin-Reasoner-Pandolfo
what of poor COZOman?
I think Comeau plays over Rolson actually.
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To explain
Rolston looks done at times. Meanwhile, Comeau at 26 is a potential player we could retain for a 4th or maybe even 3rd line spot – unlike Bailey he has put up numbers in the past (20 goals last year) that have value.
Also, I still don’t think PAP’s spot is secure.
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I can't fathom why PA would be moved off the first line.
It’s working.
First Rule of Everything: If it works and produces success, DON’T SCREW WITH IT!
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by BrassBonanza10 on Oct 16, 2011 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
PAP has looked great. While the first line is clicking like this, he won't switch it up.
I bet you’ll see:
MM-JT-PAP
FnGO
BC-JB-NN
BR-MR-MM/JP
This doesn't seem too hard?
Pandolfo sits, and rotate pieces in and out between the 3rd and 4th lines. Cappy has said players have to play competent defense first before they get the chance to show what they can do the other way. So I wouldn’t be surprised if Nino starts on the 4th line and works his way up.
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through 3 games, means nothing.
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Relax man. Enjoy it. It does mean something. It means that the penalty kill looks great.
by Metzfan22 on Oct 16, 2011 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who said I'm not enjoying it?
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Nothing means anything
But we beat the Rags!!
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 16, 2011 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Means something
when we were 12th last year and we upgraded the PK (especially at goalie).
Tavares is Tavares.
I was simply being sarcastic
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 16, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
The thing about Pandolfo
is that he is doing very selfless things out there. While I agree that the talent is not the same, Pandolfo is blocking shots like a monster and putting himself in harms way and busting ass. That is a pretty good example to bench. I was pretty against this signing, but I have to say, so far I was wrong.
I guess Cappy can use the pressbox as the rotating scapewagon though and random benchings can be good for “sending a message”.
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i agree...
i never was a jay pandolfo guy and i admit i was not a fan of bringing him in…but that guy is a good PK guy to have and good to keep on your 4th line. kudos for pandolfo for working hard to make this team and showing everyone why he belongs in the nhl.
"son of a bitch i'm sick of these dolphins"
- Steve Zissou
These are the ephemeral things I'm talking about
Rolston has long been a better hockey player than Pandolfo. But Pandolfo is jumping on grenades motivated by the last legs of his NHL existence; Rolston has an unburiable $5 million coming no matter what happens, and a self-belief he can still deliver top-six and PP quality. I wonder if Pandolfo were cut, and Rolston were asked to do what he’s doing, how it would go.
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It wouldn't go
could it? I mean, if you have to ask a guy making 5 million to do that, can’t you already assume they probably won’t. I mean how does that conversation go? “I forgot”?
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That's my assumption, yeah
Just watched too many of these older vets face that, especially post-lockout. Weight was actually one of the better at handling what was likely to be a reduced role, but of course even he was never asked to be a PK infantryman.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
PAP
going nowhere – for now anyway
he was great tonight – how many hits did he have?
he wants it – tied for 2nd in scoring in the NHL – have to give him credit
I don't know how many hits PA had tonight
What I do know is, in four games, he’s got a goal and SIX assists.
We WANT him on That Line, We NEED him on That Line!
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by BrassBonanza10 on Oct 16, 2011 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
You can't handle the Papshmear Line!
You’re G*ddamned right he has a goal and six assists!
what? what?
Officially credited with 2 hits
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PAP's Spot is Not "Secure"?
Geez, give it a rest with PAP to the third line, will ya. The guy is 1-6-7 in 4 games and obviously fits with JT and Matty Mo.
I could be wrong, but
I don’t think he’s campaigning to pull PAP off that line; rather, interpreting that the Islanders still might be trying to do something else (like force Nino on to that line).
PAP is sure playing like he wants no part of leaving it.
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This.
I think PAP is showing he can be a good first line player. But the Isles this preseason showed an interest in Nino on the first line, and you gotta imagine they see Kabanov or Petrov also as being potential first line wings.
Not PAP’s fault, we just have an embarrassment of riches.
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by garik16 on Oct 16, 2011 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
speaking of Kabanov and riches
if he does indeed play for Shawinigan, they are hosting the Memorial Cup this year
that will be cool
I take the preseason
not as an interest in having Nino on the first line, but what he could do it he were on it; i.e. what is his maximum upside right now.
For all of our talk of trading a forward for a dman-I also wonder if he was being showcased for a trade. The reality is PAP and BC aren’t going to bring much back in a deal. A #5 overall pick will. But the other reality is that Nino might never even play at the level PAP or BC have so far.
Tavares is Tavares.
Competition is really a beautiful thing, ain't it?
"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)
Don't forget, we have Cappy as our coach
not Gordon. Gordon would break up a first line that was working because, I don’t know, he’s an idiot?
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by Fabtraption on Oct 16, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
If it was Gordon
they wouldn’t be together enough to be called a 1st line.
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Rolston is a key player on Doug Weight's PP
they will likely play him
he has 11 shots on goal so far
Comeau trails the team with 1 over 3 games – probably why he got benched
sort the team stats by total shots on goal
gotta love Strang:
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Moments Later:
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So which one is it?
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by Mark D on Oct 16, 2011 1:50 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I dont think either one is unfair.
The Rangers basically played us even or slightly worse than even on 5 on 5, but penalties did hurt them a lot (their own fault).
If Callahan (I think) isnt an idiot and trips Frans Nielsen near the end of the 3rd, or Boyle doesnt think he can kill a PK with his glove, the game couldve turned out differently, just because the Rangers would’ve been shorthanded less.
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yea, just a pet peeve, at the very least she didn’t need to tag each one with #Isles
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by Mark D on Oct 16, 2011 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Strang and Micheletti are Both Morons
Both of them went on about the “puzzling” decision to start Nabokov. Gee, it wasn’t puzzling to many of the people in this forum who watch the Islanders regularly. In fact, some of us either advocated or predicted that Nabokov would start.
These jackasses don’t pay close enough attention to the Islanders and then they offer these half-assed opinions as if they know what they’re taking about. And the saddest thing about it is that they get paid to cover local hockey as broadcasters or writers.
by rmblifn on Oct 16, 2011 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Scoring Chances are up by the Rangers' Tracker (George E. Ays)
Overall we out-chanced the Rangers 18-12, but we were even 8-8 at even strength (This shouldn’t be surprising). Amusingly, the Rangers only had 2 scoring chances on the power play, and we had two scoring chances on the PK! We out-chanced them 7-2 on the 5 on 4 (1-0 on the 5 on 3).
Notable individual players:
Mottau -2 (3 Rangers Chances, 1 Isles Chances)
Bailey -1 (4 Rangers chances, 3 Isles Chances)
Tavares +7 (4 Rangers Chances, 11 Isles Chance)
Take the individual players with a grain of salt, I just cherry picked the players and didn’t look solely at even strength like I should have (of course Tavares has a positive # – He played no PK and lots of power play. Still very nice given that the Isles were only +6 on the PP as a whole).
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Scoring Chances are up by the Rangers' Tracker (George E. Ays)
Overall we out-chanced the Rangers 18-12, but we were even 8-8 at even strength (This shouldn’t be surprising). Amusingly, the Rangers only had 2 scoring chances on the power play, and we had two scoring chances on the PK! We out-chanced them 7-2 on the 5 on 4 (1-0 on the 5 on 3).
Notable individual players:
Mottau -2 (3 Rangers Chances, 1 Isles Chances)
Bailey -1 (4 Rangers chances, 3 Isles Chances)
Tavares +7 (4 Rangers Chances, 11 Isles Chance)
Take the individual players with a grain of salt, I just cherry picked the players and didn’t look solely at even strength like I should have (of course Tavares has a positive # – He played no PK and lots of power play. Still very nice given that the Isles were only +6 on the PP as a whole).
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Rolston - and Mottau
In my opinion Rolston’s not getting enough credit for what he’s done. I think he’s been really helpful on the PP. Yeah, he hit his own forward standing in front of the net a couple of times last night, but well, he’s been dangerous with his shots and more importantly he’s been moving the puck well with his poise and I think that’s a nice upgrade over what they had last year. One issue for the PP last night was that PA’s one-timer isn’t the best. With Rolston and Streit both left-handed shots they’re naturally sliding to the right side a bit, also dragging the box to that side of course and that gives them perfect angles to pass the puck to the right-handed player on the left side. But they’re often hesitant to make that pass because PA shooting from there is of course not their best option. But other than that, it’s been good.
Also, Hamonic and AMac are just fine on PP2. With their chemistry and their good shots they complement the rotational PP2-forward unit very well I think and they need to be rested a bit for EV and PK anyway.
And at even strength Rolston’s been just fine for me, too. Let’s not forget he was injured during pre season, hasn’t had any familiarity with anyone and certainly not got a whole lot of support from Bailey, Comeau and Eaton-Mottau (the D pair used most with Rolston’s line on).
As for Mottau, it’s slightly different, I can see where that criticism is coming from and I don’t think he’s been great, though then again I don’t see why some are quite tough on him after this particular game. Anyway, also here, let’s not forget he’s not always had great support. I think Eaton’s been at least as shaky and was definitely much more culpable for the 2nd goal last night. And in this game for example, Mottau played about nine minutes with Reasoner’s and Bailey’s lines combined and just two with JT’s and Nielsen’s combined. I know the competition on the other hand wasn’t the toughest and no doubt, Reasoner and Bailey were good, too, but still, spending more time with Nielsen and especially JT would maybe allow you to play some different kind of hockey.
by BenHasna on Oct 16, 2011 8:18 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, Rolston has quietly been very effective.
It’s just a bit sad that Bailey’s struggled a bit early on and he hasn’t had many opportunities to put up 5-on-5 pts.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Agree
I said it after the first game-he’s been better on the point on the PP than anyone who played there last year, and it’s more than just his shot. He really knows what he’s doing out there.
Tavares is Tavares.
Should we be concerned about Okposo and Grabner???
KO has never been a consistent goal scorer but I thought he had the ability to be a 30 goal guy…Maybe its time to accept the fact that KO won’t be the goal scorer most hoped…
Grabner has been invisible most of the time…He hasn’t had many scoring opportunities in the first 4 games…I hate to say this but could last year have been a flash in pan???I knlow its early but I am concerned…If JT wasn’t a scoring machine, we would’ve scored maybe 2 goals so far…
The more I watch him
the more I think he’s a very good 3rd liner on a good team. That’s not a knock though. I could see FNGO being used as a 3rd line to shut other teams down and provide very good scoring when Strome/Kabanov/Nino/Petrov/Lee/Nelson are finally around and putting up points.
I just really think we don’t have a classic second line right now, and that is really more the problem. I don’t think they are a flash in the pan, but I don’t think that they’re likely to improve their scoring.
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by Keith Quinn on Oct 16, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Grabner should be able to at least score 30 after what he proved he could do last year...
Where are his chances???
Grabner is always going to have a chance to score 30
because of his speed…but it will depend on his role. That speed is great defensively too and can be great to cause turnovers and score off of takeaways and transitions. Right now, that line is being used as a 2nd line, so I think it’s possible, but I think that the scoring potential for the newer prospects is much higher (obviously not this season) which shifts the lines down a bit. In a couple of years, I expect to see guys like Strome and Nino getting more ice time than KO.
We already know that FNGO can shut people down. I don’t expect that the 5 rookies I mentioned above can do that or wouldn’t be put in a position to do that to try and maximize their scoring value (which I feel is higher than FNGO).
The other thing to consider is that any one of those 5 could possibly supplant PAP/MM in a year or two or three so that throws some wrenches into the works with combos and such but really spread the scoring out throughout the lineup with vets sprinkled in everywhere.
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by Keith Quinn on Oct 16, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
It's fun to imagine
Grabs-Strome-Nino or Lee-Nelson-Okposo
…or Martin-Nielsen-Kabanov (I could do this all day)
More interesting to me is how THIS year’s lines will play out. Obviously, right now ain’t nuttin’ changing on the first line. But, come February, how much will Nino have impressed by then…and where will Bailey and Comeau be?
Here’s a Feb ’12 concoction:
MM-JT-PAP
MG-FN-NN
MM-JB-KO
JP-MR-DU/MH (Ullstrom/Haley)
Again, just messing around with possibilities for fun. Injuries will occur, and Ullstrom and Haley will get their chances up here. Agree with you on Pandolfo, and Reasoner is perfect 4th line C.
No Rolston or Cozo on my roster…like I said just toyin around, maybe Cozo is traded and Rolston sent down, but I would like to see Bailey with KO and an improving Martin…line’s got a lil’ of everything (except a scorer lol)
FnGN..the FunGun line?? Maybe Nino makes space for the two small speedsters while learning smart defensive hockey…don’t think he’ll earn the top line RW spot this year, so Tavares’ ideal power winger will have to wait.
MTP..the Many Tavares Points line/ Mul-T-Point line. Maybe this year’s FnGO, I think PAP keeps his spot for THIS year. PAP, Moulson, Grabs…cheap players playing well in the top 6, damn Garth you are a genius!
"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)
I agree, and let's not forget that KO scored 50P with a rookie JT
This is an exciting year to find out what types of players these guys end up being. For me, I see KO as your 20-30-50 2nd liner who won’t hit a lot or intimidate, but mucks the puck out of the corners and makes creative plays. I wouldn’t mind an NHL-ready Brock Nelson centering him in a year or two.
For Grabs I think he’ll be the first to admit he starts off slow (scoring wise), and add to that the NHL is much more aware of him…so maybe by game 15-20 we’ll be seeing plenty more Grabs chances.
Classic 2nd line…so many possibilities with Strome, Nelson, and Nino…shit, maybe you’re right, a year or two from now FnGO might be down one whole line on the depth chart!
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I wish Cappy would demand more from KO....
Why not give him the Comeau treatment???Put him in the press box for a game and I guarantee he comes out with that fire we were used to seeing…He used to be the best player on the ice for the Isles and the opposition on a regular basis…Cappy should press some buttons and demand that he crashes the net…It seems like they are leaning on Tavares too score all of the goals…Its time to chip in…
Well
he is demanding that everyone crash the net, but there’s only so much you can do. The thing is, there aren’t a lot of great options to put in there in place of KO…and he’s an alternate captain…so they have to be aware of and supportive of his style of play to begin with.
Who could you put in his place that would be better? Then think of who would have the same potential chemistry as the FNGO has shown so far. Remember also that they have been using that line to check Stamkos/St. Louis and (I only saw highlights) probably Richards/Gaborik. Now consider that they’ve only given up 6 goals in 4 games and their team sv% is ridiculous. That’s important and Cappy seems to be pulling the right strings right now.
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by Keith Quinn on Oct 16, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I just think that KO should be required to drive to the net...
He doesnt seem to be doing that…he isnt taking any shots either…In the 1st 2 games he was trying to shoot the puck with defenders in front of him, from the perimeter…He used to be out there looking for a goal…he used to try and get into the scoring slots so he can get odd nice shots…That’s what he did when he scored 19 goals…That’s what he did for his 1st goal of the in his career when his helmet popped off…He positioned himself in the slot to get off a one time snapper…He was looking to score…He doesnt seem to be doing that so far this year…Hopefully he will start to do those things…
Remember, also
Grabner didn’t really heat up until the middle of December last year and he still finished with 34 goals. Not that I want him to make a habit of it, but I’m not worried. Plus, his speed, defense and penalty-killing skills are skill good. Two-three months from now, I’ll be worried. If they keep playing the way they have, everyone will get theirs, maybe even Martin.
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by PGI on Oct 16, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
For me, KO needs to just do a few things: Drive the net, battle in front of the net more, and release his shot more. He does that and he'll be fine.
Grabs just needs time I think. He hasn’t looked as fast as last year yet, might be a little rusty or out of shape.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Cappy seems to be a perfect coach for this team...
He’s blue collar type guy just like Fred Flintstone…Cappy is loose and relaxed during press conferences even when they loose…Gordon was the opposite…I have to admit that I really wanted Gordo to work out and I thought, at the time, that he was a smart coach but now that Cappy is here I realize how much of a tight ass Gordo was…..The whole team was tight because of the him…Garth did the right thing in firing Gordon even tho I was against it when it happened..I was also in the belief that we needed an accomplished NHL coach if we had to replace him…Garth and Cappy proved me wrong I both regards…
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I have a great idea
No more Mottau on the penalty kill. That disturbed me last night. I like Eaton, he blocks shots, throws the occasion check, and overall does a good job. But Mottau, when the Islanders played the Lightning there was a point when a lightning forward was driving to the net and he gave him as much space as possible and exposed the shooting lane. Jurcina is not the best, but he plays a better game than Mottau. Please, put Jurcina in the line up. But if nothing else, do not put Mike Mottau on the pk.
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by pippup on Oct 16, 2011 11:22 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Isn't Jurcina still injured?
I’d have a hard time believing he is a healthy scratch instead of Mottau.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Oct 16, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
To Me
Besides JT, most important aspect is that Nabby even off rust shows he is more than competent. Now please play Jurcina and get more help at D, none of which is NHL ready at BPT.
Powerplay at 2 for 8 isnt too bad. thats 25%.
And hats off for tattoo lou’s.
As 16,000 people walked by me last nite getting tattooed. Great work, Great idea. And they were even giving out temps to the kids. Anyone bashing the whole concept didnt really look at the bigger picture.
Great marketing. I got ragged by rags fans i went to the game with. Then one person gave me cred for getting my true colors tattooed. Im heavily inked as it is and ties in nicely to a 9/11 center leg piece.
The couple before me got matching islander/ranger tattoos. guy got the light house and girl got the liberty NYR design. It caught on quick!
I got me an isles tat this year too.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Oct 16, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice. How are their prices? Not that I am getting a tat at the game or anything, just comparitively to other places if you know?
Or the tat you got, size of the tat, and cost they charged you? Just wondering.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
NIce
I was surprised at some of the backlash originally — although I should expect it with the Isles media rep.
To me it sounded cool, made sense. And which is better: A freaking kiosk for the Official Wireless Provider of Team X, or something interesting and unique like a tattoo shop?
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BlueShirt Banter
I could read this all day and not stop laughing. It was the ref’s fault..they actually played well.
BlueShirt Banter
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