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Recap: Islanders 5, Lightning 1, Tavares-Parenteau Explosion

"Good game, good game, good game, good game."

It is a simple joy in life to watch John Tavares and his line celebrate when things are going right: Tavares with his controlled intensity, P.A. Parenteau with his party-time exuberance, Matt Moulson with laid-back Spicoli joviality.

Tonight things went right and this line's dynamic was in full display.

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It started with a gift: Victor Hedman helpfully handled his 2009 draft classmate's shot past a helpless Dwayne Roloson 36 seconds in. It paused when Steven Stamkos fluttered a deflection past Al Montoya, but them Moulson, Tavares and Parenteau reeled off three consecutive goals to decide the game before the first period was over.

Star-divide

There is more to the JT-MM-PAP dynamic, of course, and it's something I think some Islanders fans still underrate: They have complementary on-ice styles. Parenteau is a puck carrier, and he drove the play for that line's goals tonight. Moulson is a boards and front-of-the-net guy, and his Esposito opportunism was in effect when he banged home the rebound on the Islanders' second and game-winning goal.

Tavares is of course the magic man who does a little of all of the above and regularly makes you sit on the edge of your seat; tonight he scored from his office at the doorstep, somehow eluding coverage and being right where the puck was going once again.

Sure, you'd love three top 10 picks on your scoring line, and they are not a world-beating one. But they are dangerous, effective and capable of winning a game with a 10-minute outburst like tonight.

 

Game Highlights

All that said, nights like tonight can be somewhat deceptive: Any time you get a big lead early, the rest of the game is more about managing that lead than about winning straight up 5-on-5 play where the stakes are even. Still, the Islanders managed quite well.

Notes

Oh, was that intro all about the top line? There were others tonight. Michael Grabner scored his first, converting the rebound of a 2-on-1 that Kyle Okposo played smartly, sizing up Dwayne Roloson and shooting hard (not hitting the post), leaving food for Grabner to gobble up. That line with Frans Nielsen had an effective night, with Grabner and Nielsen in particular creating havoc on the PK and by getting behind the Lightning defense.

But wait, there's more! Blake Comeau and Josh Bailey had a very nice first period. They had the play in the Lightning zone, each was responsible for some scoring chances, and they generally looked like two talented forwards -- Josh Bailey's spinorama down the right wing was a nice Flash Of Bailey -- instead of two talented enigmas.

Generally, things clicked up and down the lineup tonight in the way you figure the Islanders drew it up this offsason, including Al Montoya standing strong in what eventually became 34 saves. How much was the Lightning's disoriented defense (allowing five goals in their second consecutive game) and how much was the Islanders' skill is never 100% certain. But the Islanders cashed in on what they were given, then didn't let up during the second period, and finally played smart defense in the third. Recipe for victory.

Physicality: Tavares was banged up a bit, by Victor Hedman in the first period on a big check and by Steve Downie (upset at some offense) and Vincent Lecavalier in a corner scrum later on. In response, Matt Martin was delivering hard, controlled hits all around the ice. Travis Hamonic accepted no lip. The troops generally represented; rematches will be interesting. Tavares left the game in the third, but that was said to be due to cramps with the game's outcome no longer in doubt.

After being no guarantee for the season-opening roster, Martin in three games is more the Martin Islanders fans dreamed of than the one some of us feared could not develop getting fourth-line minutes. Bears watching.

Ex-Isles: Roloson was pulled after the fifth goal and was hardly stellar but can hardly be scapegoated for the effort in front of him. Meanwhile, outside of the +1 impressive line of Steve Stamkos, Brett Connolly and Martin St. Louis, there were two other Lightning players who did not finish as minuses ... if you guessed "Bruno Gervais and Marc-Andre Bergeron," you are now in charge of what's left of my retirement fund.

Future Isles: Ryan Strome returns to juniors, plays his first competitive game in over two weeks and gets a hat trick. I care a lot about what happens this year, but holy cow next year and the year after that ... ::glances also at Brock Nelson, Anders Lee::

Also in Niagara:

@islesinfo Tom Mascioli
Mitchell Theoret recorded a Gordie Howe hat trick tonight for the Niagara IceDogs. (goal, assist, fight). He’s 2-5-7 in 8 GP on ssn.

Line Matching: The Tavares line explosion came against three separate Lightning lines, though Hedman and Eric Brewer were on for three of them. Jack Capuano used the Nielsen line against Stamkos for the first half of the night, which was the matchup when Stamkos got that lone Lightning goal. When Grabner scored, he and Okposo victimized the Dominic Moore-Adam Hall line. The Nielsen line was outshot with their tough assignment, but never looked too threatened. When the score was out of hand a ndthe line matching became less dedicated, the Nielsen & Co. got to have some offensive fun. But I suspect the scoring chance data will show their best opportunities were while a man down. To paraphrase Nielsen, you know Frans and Grabner: That what they do.

 

In Which It's Okay to Celebrate

Our Plus/Minus thread of instant post-game reaction is here, where you'll find gems like the one from Hey Hanrahan where John Tavares is now 50th on the all-time Islanders goal list, one behind Comeau. Look out, Blake. And here was our game thread of in-the-moment reaction, if you like to wade through such things.

@TSNBobMcKenzie
NYI post-game win salute is pretty cool. Mark Streit’s idea. If u haven’t seen it, players form two lines, stars run gauntlet back on ice.

It was noticed, and appreciated. Here's video of the celebration and more appreciation at Puck Daddy:


No hard feelings, but:

@StapeNewsday
As predicted, many smiles in #Isles room over chasing Roloson. "So happy," PA Parenteau said. "You can write that one down."

Heh. Winning is fun that way.

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Gotta Wonder About the Lightning if They Have a D-Pair of Gervais and M-A Bergeron

And, IMHO, those new Lightning jerseys are dopey. They look like the Tampa Bay Maple Leafs in ’em. I was no fan of the black ones, but at least they were their own.

by rmblifn on Oct 13, 2011 11:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I love those new Jersey's

The isles should thgink along the simple lines when it comes to their third jersy.

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by FB4Real on Oct 13, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too late!

Unfortunately, they didn’t go “simple”.

Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Oct 14, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't like the unis

I like simple, but these are too simple and abandon the black that’s marked them for 20 years. (People forget that when TBL came along, only Boston, Ottawa and TBL were black. Minnesota quickly jumped on the bandwagon.)

The logo is too cartoon superhero-ish for me. They aren’t awful, I just think for a lasting revision they could have done a little better. In the effort to go classic they went too bland.

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by Dominik on Oct 14, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

i was gonna say...

their logo looks like pixar’s The Incredibles…however, i like the new look simplicity of their uniforms. the black was always cool, but some teams always look for fresh ideas. it doesn’t bother me.

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by gukid17 on Oct 14, 2011 7:19 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I kind of like the new logo (got no quarrels with The Flash). But you’re right about the black. They are one team that could have stuck with it.

Figures the Islanders are moving toward black just when it’s falling out of fashion…

Tavares is Tavares.

by afrosupreme on Oct 14, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Black fell out of fashion a decade ago

It’s just that nobody told the Mets

by Dorfer on Oct 14, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Black gets you more time in the box

There was a study many moons ago, in which people used all the stats from a bunch of seasons, and figured out that teams wearing predominantly black ended up getting thrown in the penalty box more often than ones that don’t. And they only counted when the team wore black (which were the road uniforms back then). Oddly enough, the trend reversed during the playoffs. Wearing black got you less penalty minutes in the post season.

Unfortunately, I’m talking about a study years ago, and I don’t know if I’m going to find a link to it. My point is, when the study came out, I was expecting all teams to abandon black jersys.

Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Oct 14, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe The Isles will debut the third jersey in April, then?

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Oct 15, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have no objections to playing in them

Any game in July or August, I’m there.

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by mikb on Oct 15, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't know if those two would be together

if not for Ohlund’s double knee surgery this week. But, agreed that is not the stuff that solid D is built on.

Quick Poll: MAB/Bruno or Eaton/Mottau?

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by Keith Quinn on Oct 14, 2011 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed, good point

puts into perspective our complaints about our “bottom 3” d-men

by MatthewM11 on Oct 14, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know if this was mentioned on the game thread, but

it’s great to hear Butchie butcher Roloson’s name. I miss that.

It’s hard to watch the game on your computer and also follow the game thread. @ GET ON THAT DOM @

by Isle in Topanga on Oct 13, 2011 11:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Damn...

my first try at sarcasm….swing and a miss. So no spaces I assume?

by Isle in Topanga on Oct 13, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Close

you should totally have spaces though

by kfallon2 on Oct 14, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I know what you mean

Invest in two computers?

And you don’t know how many times today I thought, “You’re going to type Rolston instead of Roloson tonight and vice versa. Just accept it.”

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by Dominik on Oct 14, 2011 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dual screens if your computer allows that

Laptops do. “Regular” computers may or may not, it depends on the video card(s).

by Kaonashi on Oct 14, 2011 5:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Oh yeah

I assumed he meant the processing of the NHL stream is slowed down by also being in the live comment thread. That’s a trouble I’ve had, I think.

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by Dominik on Oct 14, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

TRUE

After I missed a goal due to posting on the game thread I decided enoughs, enough…As much as I like watching and along with you fellers I had to put the lap top aside and enjoy the game and post between periods…

by KO21 on Oct 14, 2011 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

True dat

That’s probably the best way to enjoy both. I remember when I started here I thought game threads were absurd … little by little I saw the group therapy and singalong aspect.

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by Dominik on Oct 14, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

To Garick and Ben

I am definitely seeing the game in a different way this year. 35+ years of watching the game, and I’ve definitely come to this season with a little different mindset. All through the game I was complaining about Mottau and Eaton. Not because they were noticably out of position, or not playing physically… but because when they were on the ice the flow seemed to be in the islanders’ defensive end.
At one point I said that they would both have double digit negative Corsi’s… well.. Mottau -10 and Eaton -6. They were the worst numbers for a defensive pairing on the team. At one point the TBL broadcast crew said, “the Islanders defense is doing a really good job, especially Eaton and Mottau…” Do you think you two could inform them of how this all works. I tried to dig up their email addresses so I could send them Garick’s series on advanced stats… but they are just going to have to remain UNINFORMED.
PS: There was a 2-on-1 play where Mottau was left to defend against two bolts. I have to say that I saw that differently from the announcers and folks on the game thread here. Mottau seemed indecisive there. I get the fact that you want to take away the pass late, but he could have taken the puck carrier earlier… and stumbled his way back to a position between the two. I see that as if Hamonic was in that position he goes blade to blade with the shooter and forces him into NOTHING. If it’s Streit he takes an early angle on the puck carrier and eventually pokes the puck away harmlessly.
Mike Mottau is the weakest link on an okay chain… That chain will need to be better when teams are prepared for 60 minute battles.

Who cares... John Tavares is here until 2017-18!!!

by JPinVA on Oct 13, 2011 11:54 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

yep...Mottau number 7 on Isles' NHL D depth chart, but only b/c there are just 6 other D men

I think Mottau shouldn’t even be in NHL…damn if only Wishart got it together and made the lineup

by CanadianIsleslifer on Oct 13, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

For the record, Corsi for this game is a bit well, less useful than you might think.

When teams have big leads, they get outshot, as the team basically stops trying to score very much and just relaxes on D. As a result, we expect for players’ corsi numbers with a big lead, like we had for over 40 minutes of this game, to be negative, or at least more negative than normal.

That’s why FN-GO’s low numbers aren’t worrisome…we were undoubtedly not really trying to score very much after the 5th goal. Same with Mottau and Eaton today. I dislike em both, but this is not a game corsi gives a good story to.

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by garik16 on Oct 14, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

If I said it was David Duke

…you’d have said it was Malcolm X.
That’s just the way it is. I was just saying that I was using a different perspective… don’t worry… the Corsi still doesn’t mean a hill of beans to me. It may be a better way to measure a player, but when there are 6 players on the ice, and as you, yourself pointed out tonight, and infinite range of levels of effort you can make an argument for or against any NUMBER thrown out there.
I watched the game. You can definitely see where the efforts were, and where each players talent took them.
Replace Konopka with Reasoner and Matt Martin doesn’t look so terrible anymore.

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by JPinVA on Oct 14, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even still

those two had a bit less TOI than the rest of the D, and I’m sure were facing the easier matchups. It still says something, but not as awful.

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by Keith Quinn on Oct 14, 2011 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't recall the play

But given Mottau’s, shall we say, lack of mobility, sounds like maybe he chose the conservative route rather than risk getting burned by going for the puck carrier? I don’t know … chances are he remembers getting burned against the Panthers as well as we do.

The Corsi numbers for tonight are funny (Okposo among the biggest negatives (!)). I saw the D pairings but didn’t look into how much was later in the game when the Isles played prevent.

But you know tonight was a great example for all the ways you can look at hockey: Scoring chances, shots/possession affected by the score, defensive pairings (Hedman always up against Tavares), line matching (Nielsen against the only effective TBL line until it didn’t matter anymore), grit/sandpaper/intimidation (too little too late against JT, who did not back down), and the fact that if Roloson stands on his head and does one of his NYI vs. Leafs routines this game might have turned out far less comfortable.

Man I love hockey: Beautiful uncertainty everywhere, despite best laid plans. I’m sincerely grateful that everyone at this site forces me to look at the game in so many interesting ways.

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by Dominik on Oct 14, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nielsen matchup

I totally agree with your statement in general. And, of course, I love the Nielsen line, too.

But I read Capuano’s matching a little differently today. I’m not sure, it might be a bit of both, but I don’t think he released them from the matchup vs. Stamkos because “it didn’t matter anymore” but because he wanted them to get their game going. Sure, if it had been 1-1 at that point he’d probably not have made that change. But I think the lead played right into his hands because he again wasn’t quite happy with their performance and thought a good period or two against slightly inferior competition could help them. If that was the idea I think it definitely was a good one and it paid nicely with that goal they got.

Also, I think the big negatives in Corsi they attained were from the first half of the game, when they just struggled a bit in my opinion – and not from the 2nd when they protected the lead. I haven’t checked, though, but thought they were quite mediocre early on. The passes to Grabner didn’t really work, Kyle was surprisingly careless again, just not aware of the speed of the game sometimes.

If it was that way that’s not a big thing of course. They’ll come back strong next game (yeah, still looking forward to them vs. Brad Richards, heh). And just generally, it’s cool you can do stuff like that (again if that really was Capuano’s reasoning) during a weaker spell of a top line and trust your other strong defensive unit (Reasoner’s line) to take on toughs.

by BenHasna on Oct 14, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting

Right, I’m not sure of Capuano’s reason, but I just figured it wasn’t as important to match them once the game was out of hand. I definitely thought, just from watching, that some of their Corsi bleeding was due to early in the game because that looked like TBL’s best (only?) line.

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by Dominik on Oct 14, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder

if he stops doing it during the “long change”. I remember him complaining that the team wasn’t making changes well, so maybe he isn’t matching as much in the 2nd period preferring to make changes when he can as opposed to trying to match.

Which would suck if that’s the case, because when we’re on the road and it’s two periods we don’t match, we could get burned.

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by Keith Quinn on Oct 14, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ooh interesting

Though one point: The long change stays in the 2nd period whether you’re home and away.

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by Dominik on Oct 14, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah

dumbass! Haha. Well, then that even makes more sense really

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by Keith Quinn on Oct 14, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

glad to hear that

That’s really cool.

And what I think is most helpful is just to have that kind of mindset indeed, to see the game in a slightly different way thanks to this sort of background. Whether you check the stats after every game or give too much thought over the fact that somebody has a 48% Corsi instead of 52% is not what makes a real difference, but just to be aware what driving the play and puck possession means, does help to better understand what’s going on.

The tough thing for me in a single game has always been to figure out who’s driving the success of a certain line for example. Sometimes they can’t generate any offense because the forwards don’t click – sometimes because the D don’t move the puck well. Sometimes they’re vulnerable defensively because the forwards miss assignments – sometimes because the D can’t break up any plays and allow for sustained pressure. In all cases Corsi would look rather bad. So, to get a better understanding of individual performances (or numbers) I try to watch some of these things carefully.

Now, last night, I thought the whole team, but especially the D, played well with the puck. The D moved it extremely well, also Eaton-Mottau broke up some plays down behind the goal line and moved the puck up the ice very well. Prior to the 2nd goal I think (didn’t find it on the highlight reel) Mottau won a battle behind the own net with a good stick and made a nice pass to get them out of the zone quickly. Hamonic was very impressive again, AMac more adapted to the speed of the game, Streit making some nice passes. Surely, the forwards contributed nicely, too, but I thought a lot started with their D indeed.
Without the puck the team was less convincing I thought. They gave away some opportunities, maybe not all of them were excellent scoring chances, but a sharp team could have scored some goals on them. And there I’d not have put the predominant part of the blame on the D. Actually, by breaking up some plays nicely, blocking some important shots I thought the D even made sure there never really was too much sustained pressure. The forwards on the other hand missed some assignments, also at times allowed Tampa to enter the zone too easily, weren’t set up in their 1-1-3 quite as smoothly as I’d seen it.

Of course, those forwards played with Eaton-Mottau as much as with the other pairs… So, Eaton-Mottau still might have struggled most, but I thought this time the team allowing too many shots (and thus maybe Eaton-Mottau’s Corsi looking bad) was a function of some insufficient defense from the offense.

by BenHasna on Oct 14, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thinking about this
So, Eaton-Mottau still might have struggled most, but I thought this time the team allowing too many shots (and thus maybe Eaton-Mottau’s Corsi looking bad) was a function of some insufficient defense from the offense.

I’d imagine it could also be a function of insufficient offense too, no? i.e., If they had a few shifts with the first line, they might not have had to actually do anything, but their CORSI would have benefited greatly from all the shots that line was generating last night. But if the forwards they are out with don’t manage to get the puck toward TB’s net at all, then they are almost automatically going to have a negative CORSI. Is that right?

Tavares is Tavares.

by afrosupreme on Oct 14, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

Theoretically, that’s how it works. And that’s why Corsi for a single game doesn’t always work very well, certainly not without taking lots of other things into account. Over a bunch of games, certainly half a season or so, stuff like that should not make too much of a difference anymore, though Corsi might indeed always be a bit sketchy on an individual basis (but is truly fantastic on the team level).

As for last night with Eaton-Mottau, that wasn’t the problem, though. Their Corsi was “bad” not mainly because of a lack of offense, but because of weak defense. Mottau for example was 13-23 in shots directed at the net, Eaton 15-21, AMac 11-14, Hamonic 13-14, Streit 19-15, Staios 21-15. Now, that can be their fault, but as said can be caused by weak support from the forwards for example, or by starting in the own zone more than the other pairs (they did narrowly), or by playing against the opposition’s best players (they didn’t), etc.

by BenHasna on Oct 14, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes!
Whether you check the stats after every game or give too much thought over the fact that somebody has a 48% Corsi instead of 52% is not what makes a real difference, but just to be aware what driving the play and puck possession means, does help to better understand what’s going on

That’s the point I was trying to make.

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by JPinVA on Oct 14, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Another Downer...

ATTENDANCE= 9,759 Brining the average to 12,424… Maybe it’s better if the Islanders win the opener 5-1 instead of this one. Maybe the Rangers on a Saturday night inflate the average to over 13K again… but they really need to do a better job selling htis team early in the season. They will sell themselves late in the season, but by then it may just be too late.
Charles, call me!!! You may need some inovations, like Student Ticket Agents… Twickets… Seize the Deal through other social media… that building needs to be near capacity… heck, a few good “bring your kid for Free” walk-up deals would really boost long term fan base… and sell tix that are available on game days.

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by JPinVA on Oct 14, 2011 12:24 AM EDT reply actions  

It'll be close to full Saturday, I bet

Unfortunately, that will be b/c of Rangers fans. :(

by AP77 on Oct 14, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

That gives us some excellent pictures

Okposo celebrating while guys in suits and a kid in a Ranger jersey just look so disappointed.

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by Mark D on Oct 14, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I'm afraid...

that’s true. The sad reality is that Long Islanders don’t really give a shit anymore. they were to scared of a $25/yr real estate tax increase to build a new arena… and they really don’t give a rats ass about supporting the only major league team on Long Island.
Maybe there’ll be a nice nuclear power plant there in 50 years…. while the Islanders are safe and sound in Quebec, enjoying free health care, fine dining that doesn’t consist of chicken parm and hot dogs boiled in water from the carter administration and a bi-lingual fan base.

Who cares... John Tavares is here until 2017-18!!!

by JPinVA on Oct 14, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

There is already a nuclear power plant on Long Island. They decided to pay the cost of building it, never turn it on, and then gradually pay the billions in cost to disassemble it. Brilliant!

by AP77 on Oct 14, 2011 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

heh

the isles and my sister and her kids are the only two reasons I ever go back.

by pennst92 on Oct 14, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

So true...

I’m running out of reasons as well. If they move to Belmont there would be the Casino. If they move to Brooklyn there would be an easier commute. If they move to Quebec it would be a vacation when I went to visit.
Screw nassau county, its politics and its couch potato fan base.
It’s TOO nice to watch hockey in HD on a 50" TV… maybe Charles needs to create a section where dudes can come in their boxer shorts, have one hand on a can of PBR and the other one down his shorts.
Then they’d have the home experience, except the there will be women there.

Who cares... John Tavares is here until 2017-18!!!

by JPinVA on Oct 14, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Does Christie Brinkley realize

That she cost her hockey team an areener?!?

by Dorfer on Oct 14, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

On that note

Anyone there tonight know where the noise was coming from? At several points it sounded like the distinctive cheers of a student section. I know in addition to Loudville there is now a Hofstra section or package or something.

I do think this team is particularly susceptible to winning mood swings though. A couple games like tonight, I bet they get packed houses. A couple losses follow, and back to 10k.

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by Dominik on Oct 14, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's right

Hofstra students get in for 15 bucks and get a 5 dollar rebate on food or something alon those lines.

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by Mark D on Oct 14, 2011 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I assumed

it was that corner where The Nuts used to sit. 329 maybe? Is that what they call Loudville now?

Tavares is Tavares.

by afrosupreme on Oct 14, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

329

is where “Islanders Army” sits in the top two rows. I’m in row P right in front of them. They chant and sing the whole game. It’s a lot of fun. There’s also a fight song they sing after the goal scorer is announced.

by dunnowhat2type on Oct 14, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent.

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by Dominik on Oct 14, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’d be cool.

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by Dominik on Oct 14, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, please!

Every time I’m there, I can’t quite make out what they’re saying. I always seem to be sitting on the wrong end of the arena.

Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Oct 14, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

sure

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Oct 14, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

make it a fan shot!

That would be cool to know! Nothing better than sitting in front of my TV singing incoherent verses to a team 350 miles away. My wife doesn’t really need another reason to have me comitted… but every little bit helps.

Who cares... John Tavares is here until 2017-18!!!

by JPinVA on Oct 14, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

search Islanders Army on youtube, I think they walk around the concourse singing the Josh Bailey song. I’ll make one at some point this weekend, probably after the Rags game.

by dunnowhat2type on Oct 14, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I heard that

It sounded like they were singing Crowd Chant

by Dorfer on Oct 14, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

There was a group of about 40 young-ish guys in the top 4 or 5 rows bringing the ruckus. Near Montoya’s end. Not sure the section. One dude was wearing a banana costume and wearing sunglasses that light up. (A la Peanut-butter-jelly guy). He was my personal hero for the night. At one point they got a Lightning fan tossed. Thoroughly enjoyable evening.

by mickvukota on Oct 14, 2011 12:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

That’s 329, the banana guy was there last night. I chose to sit with my friend since the place was half-full last night, but my season tickets are right in front of them, they take up the last two rows and whoever else from Loudville (330-331) and people around them will join in.

by dunnowhat2type on Oct 14, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

This the second game in a row Tavares has taken some big hits and been banged up

They gotta protect him more. And yeah, before anybody tells me hockey is a physical sport, not the point when this is your franchise player!

"Is that all you got, I'll take your best shot......Here comes the BOOM!"

by FireGarthSnow on Oct 14, 2011 2:01 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm going to step in here

I hate the idea of JT getting hurt, but he’s a big boy, playing a man’s game for obscene amounts of money. If teams are taking liberties with him that go beyond the rules, then the refs, and then the League, should be using the resources they have to make the offender pay. It appears more andmore like Shanny is and will continue to take this role seriously. If they do not (ie. Penguin Blood in the Water night), then Hell breaks out. If JT gets hit, then he gets hit. If someone doesn’t like it, hit back: I thought Martin played a great game tonight. I don’t think it’s necessary or appropriate to go after someone (outside the rules) simply because he has the unmitigated gall to put a shoulder into JT’s chest, in a way that is completely within the rules.

Case in Point: Landeskog took a check to the head last night. Buddy got a minor penalty, will probably be fined and a Colorado player decided a fight was necessary. The first two, he deserved; the third just ruins lowers the game, imo.

STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!

by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Oct 14, 2011 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree. JT is going to get hit — it’s his style. He doesn’t shy away from contact, he plays to it. This is fine. Obviously you don’t want guys taking egregious liberties, but it’s stupid to go guns blazing every time someone bumps into him.

by AP77 on Oct 14, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

He probably should have been ready for the Hedman hit, too. He’d gotten rid of the puck, but only in a Comeau-ish “It’s gone, I’m out” sort of way.

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by Dominik on Oct 14, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Running Total

Still Goalpost 1, Kyle 0. (Although an almost-goal tonight. A gremlin came by and stole it.)

Streit: B+ Seemed off his game a little.
3.333 (3 games played)
Staios: B- Hardly noticed him, which is a good thing
2.233 (3)
AMac: A- Good play
3.133 (3)
Hamonic: A Physically dominant
3.533 (3)
Mottau: B+ I watched closely so I could mark him down a few notches, but couldn’t find much. Very good job with the puck today and okay without the puck. (The 2-on-1 was his worst moment, I think, and even though he didn’t play that one as well as he could, at least he didn’t allow the pass across for an empty-net goal.)
2.200 (3)
Eaton: B Good
2.567 (3)

I was hoping to see a couple of the big guns break loose tonight. Every one of the top-6, plus Martin, Bailey, and Reasoner looked really good…. JT deserved a few good bounces after the previous 1st period.

The older forwards look pretty darn good when the younger ones are skating and creating chances. MUCH better 2nd and 3rd periods than last game.

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Oct 14, 2011 2:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Maybe read the exchange with BenHasna up above

Because if Exhibit A is all you got, this case won’t be going to trial.

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by Dominik on Oct 14, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I did

and maybe read the Corsi numbers from the game – which had TB way ahead of the Islanders across the board, when the game was the exact opposite

TB was chasing the game and Corsi made it look like they dominated

Few Isles had positive Corsi on the night, Few TB did not

meaningless stat in a game like this

and therefore a stat to at minimum take with a big grain of salt

perhaps mostly for the TB Corsi scores being positive when the sleepwalked through major parts of the game

by Cary K on Oct 14, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

You missed the part of it leveling off in a larger sample size though huh?

This game is an anomaly as a single entity…when all of the games are added together, you have a clearer picture at the end of the season.

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by Keith Quinn on Oct 14, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

TB was chasing the game and Corsi made it look like they dominated

All stats demand context. The shots were also 35-34 Tampa Bay. Score effects — a team chasing the game and throwing lots of shots from anywhere while the other team tries to reduce quality chances — are talked about quite a lot in the context of Corsi.

And not for nothing, I count 9 Islanders with an even or positive Corsi in that game.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Oct 14, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

still don't think PAP belongs on the first line longer term

fine for weak D teams like TB – TB was sleeping, I hope they keep it up, but we’ll see

and Komi & the Leafs seem to be doing just fine

by Cary K on Oct 14, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah yes, Komisarek and his glorious 16:54/gm toi.

Oh what a bottom pairing d-man he could have been for us. And at a nice price. We’d make back his contract cost anyway with all the Komisarek jerseys we’d sell :-). And think of all the possibilities we can use that gigantic body for!

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Oct 14, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't turn around

Der Komisarek’s in town…

We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Oct 14, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Can he still fight well?

Worst comes to worst we can throw him on th 4th line and make him the highest paid enforcer of all time. Nevermind, he can’t fight good anymore.

And just something I think people would like:

-Maxim Lapierre getting his ass kicked: http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/105601
-Simmonds wrecks Clarkson: http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/105454

And if you want, Watch at 44secs, Souray’s crosscheck on Stewart would likely destroy your average nhl player: http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/105612

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Oct 14, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Komisarek can't do much of anything well right now

And there’s good reason to wonder whether he was just Markov’s Bruno Gervais in Montreal.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Oct 15, 2011 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, definitely a possibility.

Most people argue it was a combination of the Lucic fights destroying his pride and the shoulder surgery/little injuries he’s had to deal with over the past couple years.The man has missed 52gms over the previous 2 seasons. And with his style of play, he may be facing the Witt decline, and Volchenkov might even be feeling some of the side effects of playing the witt style at D.

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Oct 15, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was involved in everything last night

Zone entry was mostly his, distribution mostly his, he threw some hits (3, Martin 6, and Hamonic 4, were the only two with more) and for a 190 guy, he definitely watches JT’s back. He is also faster than people give him credit for and does play D. I wouldn’t buy his jersey, but his presence is pretty damn valuable.

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by Keith Quinn on Oct 14, 2011 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

He doesn't show up on hockeyfights.com

so man, that is a shitload of minors…unless he got a shitload of misconducts for poor language…

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by Keith Quinn on Oct 14, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

PAP is a tough averagish sized-dude. You can see it when he throws checks and how he plays the game.

He is no Tootoo, but he is a tough little physical forward.

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Oct 14, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

soft?!?

Are you f-f’n me?

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by mikb on Oct 14, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Agreed

I’ve been a strong defender of Parenteau all along, and nothing gets me more peeved than the “Parenteau only scores because he plays with JT/MM” posts. I don’t know how you can watch games and not see that those three have real synergy playing together. That line works, plain and simple. A faster, more skilled player like Grabner probably wouldn’t work as well in PA’s place

by MatthewM11 on Oct 14, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Full credit to both Moulson and Paranteau, but theres also something to be said for JT and his ability to elevate two players, considered to be at best fringe nhlers by other clubs, to a legitimate scoring line in this league.

by scarlet islander on Oct 14, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

And I don't doubt that

To me that feeds into how complementary the three of them are. They produced at first-line levels last year and that’s because they can work together. Brett Hull and Wayne Gretzky were two of the greatest players in this league’s history, yet they made squirrel poop together. Just couldn’t click. It was no Hull & Oates Part II.

There just seems to be an undercurrent of desire for some magical $6 million wingers to go with JT, when I’d frankly say 1) Those aren’t really available, not now, and 2) I’d rather direct resources elsewhere if I’m already getting first-line production from my cheaper first line. If the day comes when we have outstanding wingers to go with JT and PAP is no longer needed or is on a lower line, I’ll gratefully lap that up. But in the present tense, they’re working and PAP, to paraphrase a typical Twitter rant, does not “SUCCCKZ OMG he’s soo soft!!11”

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by Dominik on Oct 14, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can't put a price on chemistry

Sometimes it just works. The Nino issue is going to be interesting.

by scarlet islander on Oct 14, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awkward, even

It would be a little strange even if all things were equal, but right now I’m worried he’s not even ready for that role.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Oct 14, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see Nino and Strome forming a super third line duo.

Other teams would have a hard time covering our three top lines.

Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Oct 14, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

(and therefore, I don’t see the problem)

Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Oct 14, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope so

But I just mean for now … Strome’s not here. I hope Nino can be a good addition to the 3rd rather than a forced addition to the 1st.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Oct 14, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

That line looked great

again last night. I have been someone who thinks that at some point there might be someone better for the first line, but I’m not certain that person is an Islander yet. I certainly don’t want to see Nino handed that spot right off the bat.

I have noticed that he does do a lot of the little things really well though, and they clearly have some chemistry. I’m still not convinced he’s the final solution, but for now he should stay put.

And to be honest, a good bit of my desire to move him to the third line is more about seeing if he can do something for Bailey.

Tavares is Tavares.

by afrosupreme on Oct 14, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Knowing Cappy, that's not going to be the case.

If he has the balls to sit DiPietro for the home opener and play former San Antonio Rage back-up goaltender Al Montoya in his place, then he’s definitely the type of coach who awards based on merit, not contract or popularity.

Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.

by Fabtraption on Oct 14, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the man writing the Islander game summaries

Tavares corralled a loose puck in the offensive zone, froze the Lightning defensemen with his eyes and returned the favor to Parenteau bq.

Just the latest from Brain Corce. His summaries have actually had a good injection of personality. Now, if only we could get Bailey to freeze defenseman with his eyes, not turn them to stone or anything, as Shanny has been cracking down on these things, but just freeze for a little bit.

All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.

by pippup on Oct 14, 2011 7:19 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

great game

nice early explosion followed by a nice game plan to keep Tampa from getting any real quality chance and still have some offensive oppurtunities

Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all

by Rickfansince76 on Oct 14, 2011 7:26 AM EDT reply actions  

JT first star of the night

via Puck Daddy

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by Keith Quinn on Oct 14, 2011 7:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Awesome complete game. Montoya didn’t seem to be very busy. Good to see 1st line explode in 1st period. Agree with someone else’s observation. JT did get knocked around a bit. That can’t happen every game. Only disappointment was the crowd. People gotta get out there. I would if I still lived there. And what’s the new goal song? I can’t quite make it out.

by Icefan71 on Oct 14, 2011 8:32 AM EDT reply actions  

now THAT'S more like it!!

A complete effort from start to finish, especially strong 3rd period. Nice to see some offense from someone other than JT’s line. Strong defensive prescence throughout (even Mottau looked decent & made some nice breakout passes). Montoya was his normal unspectacular self, positioned well and clearing rebounds. Matt Martin continues to impress with his physical play and sure wish he had scoed that goal!! What more can you say about JT that hasn’t already been said. Awesom pass to Parenteau, great three-way passing play for his 2nd goal, and a little feistiness at the end. THIS is the team I would like to see more often especially Saturday. VERY NICE WIN!!!

This is NOT a rebuilding year!!!

by upstateislesfan on Oct 14, 2011 10:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Was most impressed with JT's assist to PA

that was a sick pass after stealing the puck in the slot and turning 180 degrees. JT had a pretty good unobstructed shot at goal, but chose to set up PA with any easy goal.

Let’s hope the good mojo carries into Sat nite…

by 4PeatSake on Oct 14, 2011 1:11 PM EDT reply actions  

So hey, half the team has points already

And it’s even mostly people you would expect to have it!

::tears of joy::

Hoping that Haley comes around more than once every 75 years.

by ilopan on Oct 14, 2011 1:22 PM EDT reply actions  

glares at Josh Bailey-Blake Comeau-Brian Rolston line

Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.

by Fabtraption on Oct 14, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

And there is something I keep forgetting to mention and don't think anyone else has.

At every game in the isles “jumbotron” introduction, they show 3 short clips of Kasper facewashing and hitting mario, it’s hilarious. Just thought you guys should know.

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Oct 14, 2011 1:50 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Next time you're there

or anyone really, see what you can do about taping it!

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by Keith Quinn on Oct 14, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two other Lightning players who did not finish as minuses

Dom since I knew half the answer was MAB does that maen that I am now in charge of half of whats left of your retirement fund?

by Isle Of Weight on Oct 14, 2011 4:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Sure!

You’ll have to pull it out of Czech breweries though.

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by Dominik on Oct 14, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ranger Primer

Here’s what happens when you get your boss’s tickets for the guy who has the hot dog wagon outside your office. It starts out harmless enough.. He hasn’t charged you for the diet coke for three months, and he always gives you a little more saurkraut than everybody else. He has nobody to go with, and it’s tuesday night… nothing on TV… and then it turns into this.

Who cares... John Tavares is here until 2017-18!!!

by JPinVA on Oct 14, 2011 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

What does maen mean?

 I think I just invented a new word. Maened is a frenzied woman but I am not sure what maen means. Unless someone can tell me what it means then since I invented it I can give it any meaning I want.
 I am gonna go with dyslexia. Yeah thats it, maen means dyslexia. I wonder if I spelled dyslexia right?

by Isle Of Weight on Oct 14, 2011 5:52 PM EDT reply actions  

It's a conjugation of Travis Moen, I assume.

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by Dominik on Oct 15, 2011 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

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