Kirill Kabanov a Happy Islander, Just Needs a 2011-12 Home
A long-ranging interview with Islanders prospect Kirill Kabanov in sports.ru (Russian) by Igor Eronko drew some angst -- because we are prone to fear the worst -- when Yahoo's Dmitry Chesnokov tweeted a very select excerpt asking rather suggestively, "Kabanov upset with the NHL?":
"Everyone [in Russia] kept saying 'NHL, NHL.' You get there and will be famous.. As a boy I had an impression [the NHL] was paradise. But when I came here I realized that the made-up image and reality are different things."
Don't be misled. Chesnokov is referencing the checkered history Kabanov has with the KHL, as demonstrated by Chesnokov's additional tweet: "there's 0 chance he'd be taken back to the KHL after the amount of dirt he poured on them over the years."
In a few interviews in those days Kabanov ripped the KHL experience (he goes into that in this interview) -- so it is in that context a Russian reporter focuses on any hint of a change of heart.
If you read the rest of the interview (well, the Google Translate version), you can see that context pretty clearly, as well as lots of happy talk from Kabanov about the Islanders (he's also talking about this on Facebook right now), with whom he signed a three-year contract this summer:
On being drafted by the Islanders, despite falling further in the draft than anyone expected before bad PR hit his season:
Yes, very happy. Insanely happy, I would say. Because the "Islanders" - a team where the young have a chance. We just take that chance. And no matter what round I was chosen.
On Jack Capuano:
A very good coach, very funny. He jokes often, I like it.
He said he was impressed by Frans Nielsen, Mark Streit, Kyle Okposo and John Tavares and also appreciated the help of the Islanders alumni:
With Mike Bossy is familiar - it also works on the Islanders. We had often talked. What to say? To add, developed, worked on himself. A couple of times met with Brian Trottier, with Denis Potvin and many others. I was surprised that all these legendary hockey players - very simple, though very friendly, always willing to suggest something. None of them, no neglect of nothing yuntsam have achieved, on the contrary, all support it.
There's plenty more if you can translate or decipher the Google version. On growing older, maturing, the faster thinking required in North American hockey -- and of course, his agent working on where he plays this season, since the NHL-CHL agreement keeps the Islanders from sending him to Bridgeport, but his QMJHL team already has its two import slots filled.
Stay tuned to that situation, which hopefully resolves soon. But this is still the guy who was all smiles on Long Island this summer, including that impromptu roller hockey game he showed up to.
Don't let the fact he's a symbolic figure in NHL vs. KHL and North American vs. Russian development PR wars change that.
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Honestly
The entire situation surrounding him right now is kind of pissing me off. I had the chance to meet him over the summer at the blue and white scrimmage and he was one of the nicest guys ive talked to. i think he’s more annoyed with the media at this point than isles fans hate milbury
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I feel bad for him
He’s used as a pawn by media with their own prospect and/or KHL agenda to push, and he’s a victim of the CHL-NHL treaty, among other traps.
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by Dominik on Oct 12, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't feel bad...
I think that as long as the Islanders hold him in high regard thats what really matters…WGAS about the KHL…Hes destined for the NHL….Hes still making allot of money compared to most and at a young age so don’t feel bad…
Im starting to feel bad for him now that I actually understand what happened...
Unless he actually did say those things about the NHL along with his decision to quit the KHL, then I wouldn’t….
Chesnokov
I find him particularly annoying sometimes. He has his guys, whose tires he pumps constantly, and then there’s the guys he doesn’t like (apparently KK is one) and just goes after them. This is a perfect example. He pulls a quote out of context from an interview very few people here can read at all, or anywhere near as well as him, and then spends half a dozen tweets piling on, completely spinning the story in a false way.
For someone who has set him self up as the Russian-NA hockey liaison he sure spreads a ton of BS.
by afrosupreme on Oct 12, 2011 2:20 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
You watch.
This is the kind of quote that people will be bringing up YEARS from now to talk shit about KK.
Everyone will forget the spin job, they will just remember the quote.
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by TheMetalChick on Oct 12, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Quote misquoted.
After reading the whole article as posted here http://www.sports.ru/hockey/128461824.html, without using the Google translator, I can assure that KK didn’t say anything bad about the NHL. He was describing how NHL was presented to him or spoken in general by his coaches and old Russian hockey people who had no chance to play in the league. Most of them had the “Grass always greener” syndrome. They were telling him how NHL players were treated like celebrities in North America or so they thought.
To be honest, the whole tone of the article was somewhat condescending. The reporter was hoping KK would slip somewhere and give him something that he can grill him on. He actually did pretty good job with his answers, told perhaps unpleasant stories, without sounding bitter. Great answers about his Islanders experience so far. I like his comments about how impressed he was with KO, Fransie, and Mark Streit in training camp. When asked “What about Tavares?”, his answer: “Tavares is Tavares. He’s # 1 draft pick. That in itself says a lot. Currently, we’re talking about the camp, right?”
And the best quote, loosely translated: “Smart people learn from mistakes other people make, the dumb ones learn from their own. Well, I’ve learned plenty from mine.”
by O.Bender on Oct 12, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Im glad someone here could read it
Your comments on it are definitely appreciated.
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by TheMetalChick on Oct 13, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Fantastic
Thanks a ton for that.
Interesting to hear the reporter came across fishing, too. I suspected that, but did not gather that from the lovely Google Translate version.
I can’t believe I chose Chinese over Russian in high school. WTF was I thinking?!
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by Dominik on Oct 13, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is there a way
that he can practice with the Islanders or Bridgeport?
Does the CBA say he can’t go only to the AHL? (In that case, what about the ECHL?)
His JR team can release him to the Islanders, but the problem with that is his team thinks he is worth something and are trying to trade his rights.
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Question
is a loan to SEL any different than “releasing” him? Why do they care if it is the SEL or AHL any way if he is probably not going to be there next year (he would be overage). I wonder if loaning him can be construed as releasing him and the SEL is just a smoke screen for the Isles getting him into BPT….or if the Isles would look bad doing so.
What I find a little strange about the whole thing is the lack of an actual SEL team name.
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his JR team would also keep his rights, even if he was playing in Europe, we’d just be loaning him to Europe. It has to do with the CBA, but basically he can’t play in NA without getting the okay from his JR club.
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They should do that
since they fucked him.
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And the kicker is that this is a team with Islanders conenctions
Remember when we were happy he was picked up from the dispersal draft by a team with Isles ties? Yeah- with friends like this the Isles dont need enemies.
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by TheMetalChick on Oct 12, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless....
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Well, it's still early
If Garth Snow were in this situation, I’d want him to explore getting an asset from another team before going with the Greater Good for Kirill route. They sure don’t have much leverage vs. other Q teams, but they can at least shop for a draft pick.
However, my guns are loaded and ready to fire if this lingers much longer.
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by Dominik on Oct 12, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wil we see
a Czech tirade of fury?
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Well
I do think the one caveat, that I’m unsure of, is would playing in the AHL start his ECL? I assume it would, and if that is the case, the Islanders very well may not want him playing there…
His ECL is cheap though
And he was a 3rd rounder and is still relatively controlled. Unless he really goes off,that shouldn’t be a problem.
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by Keith Quinn on Oct 12, 2011 4:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well
less about the money, more about the timeline; i.e. If they think he’s this season and another away from the NHL then you lose a couple of years of control, no?
Yeah
if he’s not ready and they know that, and he has to play in the AHL, the contract is activated and you lose a year.
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Yeah
I tweeted him about that. He obviously leaves out the part where the Q team is at the import limit.
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I didn't like this part
It is also an inventive way for the Islanders to skirt the CHL-NHL agreement and perhaps do right by a young talent who needs a bigger challenge.
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I dont like it either.
There is no skirting going on here, the kid cannot play on his team. Jeez.
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by TheMetalChick on Oct 12, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
i think the chl needs to take a look at its rules
i believe that if an import player gets drafted, but then returns to his junior team, he should be allowed to play even if they already have the max number of imports. that way things like this wouldnt happen
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Odd situation though
This is all due to the Manieacs folding.
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true
but the fact remains that the armada had to know that there was a chance that KK would be returning to juniors, therefore they shouldn’t have picked up the overager or at least waited until after a 9 game stint, if he got one
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They had to know there was a lot more than just a chance, even
I mean, it was practically a certainty.
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by TheMetalChick on Oct 12, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
honestly
i feel that the islanders should be able to file grievances against the armada or chl for allowing this to happen. the armada had the job to help in the growth and development of KK after they picked him up in the dispersal draft. If this continues throughout the week, i think the NHL should step in and tell the Armada to go eff themselves and allow the isles to let KK play in bridgeport
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by DarthDoyle on Oct 12, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
You forget we are dealing with Patirck Roy.
Not exactly an upstanding voice of reason.
Thou shalt not recognize false enemies, they are the Rangers, you shall have no other enemies before them.
AND "Thank you Dale Tallon"
But Patrick Roy is not the owner of the Armada
He owns the Quebec Remparts. Many think that Patrick Roy is associated with the Armada, I wonder where that started.
Are you sure?
Because Roy was reportedly associated with the Montreal Junior at the time of the Maineiacs dispersal draft. He was quoted as saying that he didn’t really want to draft Kirill. Maybe Roy switched over to Quebec once the Junior were sold and moved to wherever that place is???
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According to Wikipedia
Roy is associated with the Ramparts, not the Montreal Juniors, or whatever they’re called now
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Yea
I’m not sure where that whole Roy rumor started, but it seems to be totally unfounded. He’s been with the Ramparts since at least 2006.
I guess I must have remembered it wrong...I found the article I was thinking of
I thought that Roy didn’t want him and ended up picking him up anyway..thus associating him with Montreal Junior.
But yes, Roy didn’t want him…then didn’t take him.
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Yes I'm sure
From the Remparts site
In June 2003 the team’s co-owner, Patrick Roy, ends a prestigious goaltending career in the NHL and joins the organization as Vice-President of Hockey Operations.
Another thing about Sweden and "skirting"
I still don’t know that he could play in the SEL without the Islanders’ permission, since the NHL and SEL have a working transfer agreement and the NHL-CHL agreement (kept in a cave somewhere under Cheney’s pillow) seems designed to keep NHL teams from developing their CHL-age kids elsewhere. You’d think that would be covered, otherwise I bet a lot of teams would rather their kid develop there and avoid the CHL nonsense.
A true skirting would be to whisper in KK’s ear to go play in a league where there is no current transfer agreement.
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Seriously
I think that if it’s any other player, the agent is ranting and raving right now…I’m sure the Isles are having him NOT do that, but it really is a bitchable issue and with enough noise could probably be worked out quickly.
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Simple Solution
Send $20K in a briefcase to the Armada, and KK to Bridgeport. That will get the Armada a new scoreboard and everybody’s happy.
Or just send him to BPT… what is the actual PENALTY for breaking the CHL treaty? If it’s less than a $20K fine you’re way ahead of the game. If it’s just being ostracized by the rest of the league… you’ll have to do better than that. They paid a $100K fine because Zenon Konopka just said he wasn’t gonna take it anymore… so $20K to get one of the best Islander forward prospects to a team with a coaching staff they can trust should be well worth it.
JUST GET IT DONE!
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• New York Islanders prospect Kirill Kabonov: “Everyone [in Russia] kept saying ‘NHL, NHL.’ You get there and will be famous.. As a boy I had an impression [the NHL] was paradise. But when I came here I realized that the made-up image and reality are different things.” [Lighthouse Hockey]
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Left hand says:
“Hey right hand, where you at?”
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Way to read the story, Wysh
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by PGI on Oct 12, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why are they citing LHH as the source of this quote?
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by TheMetalChick on Oct 12, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they're linking to our story on it
But yeah, it looks like they are sourcing the quote to us. Chesnokov did all of that stuff via twitter, so maybe he hasn’t seen the tweets yet? No idea really.
But at least if people click it, they’ll get the good lowdown instead of reading it somewhere else.
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But at least if people click it, they’ll get the good lowdown instead of reading it somewhere else.
True. I just get annoyed that even more reputable sites relatively speaking seem to have little concern regarding primary sources.
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by TheMetalChick on Oct 13, 2011 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
On the plus side
You guys got some press.
That’s good news…right?
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Glad people will get here and read the story
but I’d rather the quotes not go out like that or look like we said them. It just sucks because for a kid like this, all of this shit gathers momentum and people fly off the handle. IPB comments are already about entitled Russians and kid with character issues…it just sucks that it feeds those who don’t investigate further.
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IPB comments are already about entitled Russians and kid with character issues…it just sucks that it feeds those who don’t investigate further.
shocking
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by TheMetalChick on Oct 12, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
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The good: Lighthouse will get more visitors and, thus, more hits!
The bad: They’re probably all shitheads!
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by Fabtraption on Oct 12, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, that's the problem with Wysh Wash
He’s mildly retarded.
The whole staff of Puck Daddy are dopes whose understanding of the game comes from repeated viewings of Disney’s “The Mighty Ducks”.
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by BrassBonanza10 on Oct 13, 2011 5:39 AM EDT up reply actions
The way I see it, the Isles have to act first and foremost in the best interest of the Islanders' franchise, and its' assets
and that can be done professionally, without personalizing it, acting like a dick for the media to look tough (see leafs and rags couches)…both have a job in TV after Cherry moves on
essentially, the junior team needs to know they are there to develop and feed for the NHL, it is the NHL team that is always top priority, what is best for NHL team and in this case, the Isles asset KK…if necessary, you don’t worry about stepping on the toes of some junior team owner who probably won’t even own the team in a few years.
If not forbidden by some legally binding contract, Snow should give the junior team a a polite, but firm and to the point deadline. You either trade KK to another junior team by such and such a date, release him to us so he can be sent down to BP one year under age, or, we will be acting on what we feel is in the best professional interests of the islander’s franchise and its asset, KK…which means we have a team in the SEL willing to take him, and that is where we will be sending him…of course, before they all walk into the meeting room, they’ll shake hands in the hall, exchange small talk etc….and after the closing of the media the small talk starts again…how’s the weather down your way, the wife and kids, heard you just had an election, what do you think of this kid Yakupov…in reality, it will be interesting how this plays out between the CHL and SEL…will the SEL welcome it as retaliation for the CHL taking their top kids? What if junior kids or Europeans opt for SEL? Will the CHL react by striking back at SEL and increase the number of Euros allowed per team? How will N. American hockey respond to that? This could be the tempest in a teapot of a lot more drama..or, all parties could just look at it as a rarity, and decide best to ignore it, let him go to Sweden and forget about it…
by CanadianIsleslifer on Oct 12, 2011 3:49 PM EDT reply actions
Not sure
the Swedish HA would be pleased if the CHL increased the number of Euros allowed per team. Could mean more players opt for NA instead of developing here. They are already concerned that so many players play in the CHL.
after reading your comment david
i am wondering if the Russian journalist who wrote this could have been trying to appeal to Russian pride/egos a bit, here he has Kabanov thinking the grass wasn’t greener on other side…should have stayed home…sends a message to Russians in general, and Russian teenagers thinking about the CHL.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Oct 12, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I absolutely agree.
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by TheMetalChick on Oct 12, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
That is absolutely my read
The original article (admittedly through the murky screen of Google Translate) doesn’t really carry that tone to me — or at least carries enough context to make the picture clear.
Selecting those quotes and adding “upset with NHL?” sounds like stirring a bit for the readers.
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Even in Russian, the tone of the article is condescending toward Kirill.
I kind of alluded to this earlier in the comments.
by O.Bender on Oct 12, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Snow has demonstrated this before
with Kyle Okposo…pulling him out of college! “Kyle, come play hockey. You don’t need a degree.”
I think we will see Garth flex some muscle again.
Also
DP left practice with Type 2 Islander face.
StapeNewsday Arthur Staple
DiPietro takes shot off mask, leaves #Isles practice early. mobile.newsday.com/inf/infomo;JSE…
Sorry to thread jack
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Before anyone goes there
I’m sure someone has already said, “THAT’S why they brought in Rolston…”
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by Dominik on Oct 12, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by garik16 on Oct 12, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well thats not nice lol
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by Zhora on Oct 12, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
One down...
C’mon! The Stay Puffed Russian Back Up Goalie must be worth no worse than a 7th rounder and a case of Moulson Canadian!
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by BrassBonanza10 on Oct 13, 2011 5:45 AM EDT up reply actions
KHL over NHL: I think this is yet another journalist trying to invent a story: Seriously, look up Spezza 18 - 21 age hockey years and the Sens
you’d never know it today, but it clearly looked like both parties may part ways and Spezza would never play for the Sens. Spezza was the consensus 2nd overall pick, and sure enough was drafted there. (don’t want to talk about Yashin or Chara). Spezza was left in Juniors for his two years, did more than the usual time on the farm, and under constant media criticism to bring him up to NHL, the Sens (I think it was Bryan Murray who was GM) held their ground, bringing him up when they felt he was ready. Of course, Spezza, being a high pick was very disappointed and not happy about it…
what KK said is literally nothing, and I don’t see any of it as an issue other than the journalist who obviously was inventing some news.
Can anyone blame KK for being disappointed? Seriously, if he isn’t, something is wrong.
Perhaps it wasn’t the best thing to discuss so openly and trusting with a journalist. And for his game, in hindsight, maybe staying in Europe until he is ready to play in the NHL would have been a better idea. I could be wrong, just my opinion, I’ve taught many kids KK’s age and my gut feeling is that the QMHL is not the best place for him…I see KK as a kid with a good heart, wants to be liked no matter how much he may let on it doesn’t matter…I also see him as a kid that gets bored and needs to be constantly challenged, hence the better play in big games. He also strikes me as a kid who loves to seek a thrill and adrln. rush that provides. and of course, he is a little immature, so sure, their is some nurturing to do. I know pro-sports, especially CHL like to control and maintain their image, but neck tatoos, “sleave tatoos” piercings…there is a sub-culture among the young where this is pretty mainstream. KK has yet to get a tatoo somewhere where at least 100,000 haven’t done it first. It’s not like he’s leading anyone’s kid astray.
KK is obviously not NHL ready, but is only a year or two away…needs to add some muscle to his 6’3 frame…SEL will teach him positional D, and him not being a checker, this may actually be the best place for him over the more physical AHL…
the main detractors would be, will he get the ice time in the SEL, which is a none factor if he can’t play in N. America…and, will this negatively impact his transition to N. American Ice, which again is a non factor if KK can’t play in N. America.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Oct 12, 2011 4:10 PM EDT reply actions
Looks like KHL is also in play...
KatieStrangESPN: Sounds like #Isles prospect Kirill Kabanov is headed to Europe. Should know more soon, but he has offer from team in KHL and Sweden
Heh...
If true, Chesnokov’s ‘additional tweet’ makes him look pretty stupid.
Fortunately, I think “there’s 0 chance” he would go play for them. Kirill is an Islander.
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by TheMetalChick on Oct 12, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
You have to think about Kirills history.
Petrov is in the KHL and he is part of the Isles organization. But there is no loaning or anyhting like that going on because the leagues have no agreement.
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by TheMetalChick on Oct 12, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Right
So basically he’d be signing a new contract with a KHL team and they’d give two craps that he’s Islanders’ property. Doesn’t sound like a great fit.
Also, I imagine with the attitude adjustment he seemed to undergo last year, sending him back there where I imagine all his boys are is probably also a bad idea.
Kabanov did not like the KHL
I do not see him going back there.
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by TheMetalChick on Oct 12, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Not exactly
Any contract he signs would only be for the rest of this hockey season. I think the contract would have to be recognized by the IIHF since they are the ruling body. Also the NHL and the KHL did come to an agreement some months back that they would recognize and not circumvent each leagues contracts. This had to do with the whole Radulov mess.
Petrov's situation has nothing to do with the missing NHL-KHL agreement
Petrov already had a valid contract before the Islanders drafted him. The draft doesn’t give an NHL team worldwide rights to a player and certainly not the right to nullify a contract signed in another league.
Also a missing agreement doesn’t exclude loans. Switzerland doesn’t have an agreement with the NHL and yet, Huet is here on loan.
no problem :)
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by TheMetalChick on Oct 12, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
The two Kirills
You have to think about Kirills history.
Petrov is in the KHL and he is part of the Isles organization.
…
I thought you were talking about Petrov’s history and noticed only later you meant the other Kirill.
Yeah- you find that you are already conditioned/used to things like having lots of Matts and Marks, but I need to remember that we have a couple of Kirills when I type lol.
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by TheMetalChick on Oct 12, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Kirills last Facebook status
“I proud to be a part of NHL!!!!!! Dont listen to the media..”
He also said in a previous post that reporters misquoted him and how stupid people are to believe that bullshit. lol
by Killbox76 on Oct 12, 2011 7:34 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
update on the chl side
http://futureconsiderations.ca/hertzberg-out-kabanov-in/
a spot is now open on the armada roster
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and another one form a fan's viewpoint
http://islandersuniversity.com/articles/kirill-kabanov-mr-wang-mr-bettman-end-this-insanity
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i feel like ive spent more time researching this topic today than ive spent working on my homework all week
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by DarthDoyle on Oct 12, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're a good fan then.
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There are other types of college students?
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yea...in my dorm there are 3 other kinds
engineering nerds who cant speak to women
the ones who are always drunk
and the ones always sleeping
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been fun researching this one
I’m the one who first spotted only one European on the Armada roster yesterday on that older thread
who are they fooling….
and lets see if this new signature thing works…
Errr, didn't mean anything.
Herzberg was thought to have a roster spot, but had injury issues. Online was more likely wrong yesterday, with this being new news.
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That roster has had only one European on it for a few weeks now. I linked it a while back. I think they just update it rarely if ever.
But Hertzberg was very recently (last few days) added making it two. Some of their fans speculated the other Russian player would go, as he apparently isn’t used very much, making room for Kabanov.
Guess we’ll find out if KK was driving the bus on this thing at all since it seems like he’d be able to report now.
their other euro was just taken off
he has had 3 concussions within 1 year so it seems like he may stop playing hockey right now. the fact remains that there is now an open spot for KK on the Armada roster
loving the tears of fallen leaf fans...JT IS OURS
Yea
I don’t think the other European was ever added to the roster list on their website is what I meant.
I just spent the better part of an hour reading this article and its following posts...
and I just feel like a better man, a better Islander, for having done so.
by Bri On LI on Oct 12, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it would
but i feel like there is a lot of tension right now between KK and the Armada. I can only see two reasons why there wasnt room for KK on the Armada.
1) The Armada was just being idiotic and not realizing wtf was going on
2) KK said something that might have strained the relationship between the two
Both are reasonable theories but still, i feel real sorry for the guy right now, hes 19 and on the verge on playing for his 4th team in a little over a year
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not matter what, this is the last year KK has to deal with Junior hockey
by CanadianIsleslifer on Oct 12, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
he may still not have to deal with it at all
we’ll see
one thing’s for sure – he’s an interesting kid
he might make a better 3rd liner than what we have going
Dallas – nead some salary? take Josh Bailey – please
Comeau-Rolston-Kabanov anyone?
by Cary K on Oct 12, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Two things: 1. Rolston may not be able to ply center.
B. Kabanov can’t hit the NHL this season. CHL won’t allow it to happen.
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You're missing the point:
The CHL will never allow a precedent to be set by having a 19 year old go from the CHL to the NHL after he was cut. Won’t happen. Or AHL.
The SEL is a possible work around. But not the NHL or AHL.
Rolston meanwhile probably can’t play center, and unlike Bailey shows no chance of getting better.
Also, Dallas no longer needs salary after picking up Nystrom.
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Of course this is all bogus, he passed the personality tests, right?
He must have, as all prospective players must endure. Let me see if I can dig up some of the questions from my files…
Islanders Pre-Draft Personality Test Question #186
“I am sometimes late to practice”
a) Strongly agree
b) Slightly agree
c) Neither agree nor disagree
d) Slighty disagree
e) Strongly disagree
Islanders Pre-Draft Personality Test Question #187
“It is OK to sometimes take hockey pucks and office supplies from my home arena”
a) Strongly agree
b) Slightly agree
c) Neither agree nor disagree
d) Slighty disagree
e) Strongly disagree
Islanders Pre-Draft Personality Test Question #188
“I like the NHL”
a) Strongly agree
b) Slightly agree
c) Neither agree nor disagree
d) Slighty disagree
e) Strongly disagree
Islanders Pre-Draft Personality Test Question #189
Choose the answer that best describes yourself
a) I am devil
b) I am angel
Islanders Pre-Draft Personality Test Question #190
Out of the players listed, choose your favorite
a) Dale Hunter
b) Darcy Tucker
c) David Volek
d) Matt Cooke
e) Sean Avery
Islanders Pre-Draft Personality Test Question #191
Which one of the following is not like the other:
a) Santa Claus
b) the Easter Bunny
c) Mother Teresa
d) Ghandi
e) Kirk Muller
Islanders Pre-Draft Personality Test Question #192
Choose carefully the statement that best describes yourself:
a) psychologically crazy
b) clinically depressed
c) happily insane
d) criminally insane
e) very happy. Insanely happy
Islanders PreDraft Personality Test Question #193
Choose the item that best descibes you:

Islanders Pre-Draft Personality Test Question #194
It makes me happy to:
a) Pad my stats
b) Look good on camera
c) Read the Illustrated Man
d) Create media firestorms
e) Help my teammates win hockey games
by Isles2011 on Oct 12, 2011 9:21 PM EDT reply actions 10 recs
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by Isles2011 on Oct 14, 2011 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by Mark D on Oct 13, 2011 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Not knowing as much about ...
this Kabanov’s ACTUAL GAME as many of you, I’m a little lost as to what the big deal is with this guy. Everytime I turn around there’s some stir about him not showing up for something, or being late for a practice, or not seeming to play hard or criticizing the borscht in North America. I’ve been hearing and reading about this stuff with this guy for so long already it’s hard believe he’s 19, and he still hasn’t come close to playing an NHL game yet. Talk about high maintenance. Is this player so talented and such a ’can’t miss’ prospect that it’s worth enduring his whole act, and the worse that’s sure to come once he’s actually in the NHL? Or is there a chance this guy’s gonna turn out to be fraud and total bust like Brian Bosworth and end up in some idiot action movie or on some underwater gladiator show?
The big issue
is that it’s really not so much of a tired act…it seems to get blown out of proportion because he had previous problems. But yes, he is potentially worth it. At points, he was considered a top 5 draft pick whose stock slipped mostly due to those off-ice problems. The only real maintenance at this point seems to be trying to undo what the media has generated. The last thing that he really caused was his couple of latenesses during rookie camp last year. Since then, he was a model citizen in Maine, went on a scoring binge in their playoffs and was a candidate for QMJHL humanitarian of the year, signed his ELC, was among the last cuts at camp, worked the draft party like a saint and has had nothing but positive things to say.
I think people actually were comparing him to Malkin/Ovechkin type of talent.
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by Keith Quinn on Oct 13, 2011 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the thing is that he has NOT been being high maintenance.
Thats what is making the media look that much harder for anything they can possibly blow out of proportion.
Youre not seeing scandal every time you turn around, youre seeing people bringing up old shit and making a big deal out of nothing. This kid is working hard and, as Keith said, has been a model player. But alas, that is just not as interesting as scandal.
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by TheMetalChick on Oct 13, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
There isn't an issue with him
and hasn’t been since last year.
And he’s super talented – one scout, Corey Pronman, has him our #2 prospect in terms of talent, behind Strome.
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watch the rookie scrimmage, there's a link somewhere
i know its just a rookie scrimmage, but still…Kabanov is paired with Nino and Strome, so nice passing
by CanadianIsleslifer on Oct 13, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
It strikes me as odd ...
that a guy who hasn’t done anything gets so much ink.
If it’s more overblown nonsense from the hockey press than anything else, and the guy has even close to Malkin, Ovechkin talent, then all the dopey coverage about meaningless issues is fine with me.
I wouldn't put KK in OV or Malkin's class
OV is an elite talent, some would say generational — could retire as greatest Russian ever to play in NHL
by CanadianIsleslifer on Oct 13, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Ovechkin ...
definitely is elite. His sheer size and power is scary, just like LeBron James. When Ovechkin carries the puck with a full head of steam you can almost see guys get the hell out his way, just like when James thunders down the lane to the hoop.
i still remember that painful goal OV scored after flying in with the puck, right through frans who literally bounced of OV like a poodle hit by a car...OV didn't even flinch, kept on moving
that was painful to watch
by CanadianIsleslifer on Oct 13, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"bounced off OV like a poodle hit by a car"
Wonderful image, wow I love it.
But Frans kill you now.
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by Dominik on Oct 14, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But
what about Alexei Yashin?
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by Fabtraption on Oct 14, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Färjestad could be his new home
sunayas: It would appear that Färjestad is the Swedish team that will land #QMJHL forward & NY Islanders prospect Kirill Kabanov. (Via @uffebodin) [http://twitter.com/#!/sunayas/status/124491313436573696]
IgorEronko: Islanders’ Kirill Kabanov moves to Farjestad of SEL as per nwt.se [http://twitter.com/#!/IgorEronko/status/124482469562036225]
by Francesca on Oct 13, 2011 11:08 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
not familar with Swedish system
but you do read that team’s name or town a lot, is this a good team? can you give us some background at all Francesca? please and thank you either way
by CanadianIsleslifer on Oct 13, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Färjestad is the most successful Swedish hockey team over the last ~10 years, winning the championships several times and almost always reach deep into the playoffs. They also have some record of developing talent even though there are other teams more focused on that.
Färjestad has troubles with their offense this season however, scoring less than 1.5 goals per game in average so far. So Kabanov will get his chances for sure. Dick Axelsson is a former second rounder who turned around his career in Färjestad after some attitude problems (as the Swedish article explains). I hope things will turn out well for Kabanov there as well.
by Shanamaj on Oct 13, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
saw that this morning
i hope he really excels there, and if im not mistaken, doesnt the SEL season end before the NHL season does? if thats the case could we potentially see KK in bridgeport for a few games, it really couldnt hurt to ahve him play some more games with the farm
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i do believe he can not play in BP at all this season without his Jr. team's release
next season; however, is a different story…i hope this one is true, a year in Sweden to work on positional D (KK has a tall frame @ 6’3, will fillout in time) since he is not physical but has big body, next year the more physical AHL when he is a year older and bigger, better defensively, and the following year it is NHL time.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Oct 13, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny
Kabanová said this to the Edmonton Journal about his reputation:
- People think I’m the devil himself, but really I’m kind of an angel.
Tavares is Tavares.
by afrosupreme on Oct 13, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

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