Hurricanes 4, Islanders 2: Not enough fight, nor fist
by Dominik on Jan 26, 2011 11:37 PM EST
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PrintThe Islanders gave up the first goal yet again, and their play was generally pants. Jack Capuano shuffled the lines early in an almost desperate bid to wake some of the underachievers -- his post-game presser talked of "selfish" and "disturbing" play getting them away from their systems -- but to no avail. All of the Islanders' flaws were on display, but every time I wanted to really vent about their poor execution, lethargic effort and questionable decision-making, I was reminded that this was the fifth game in seven nights, and the end of yet another back-to-back.
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That doesn't excuse the performance, but it does lend clarity to the reality of the situation: They aren't as bad as they looked tonight, but they should be better at avoiding looking this bad, even on the business end of a heavy schedule, even with the weather preventing any chance of an inspiring home crowd.
Still, this game had its entertaining moments. Thank Michael Grabner and P.A. Parenteau for that.
Game Highlights
Game Notes
- Well, Capuano talked about disappointing players in the post-game -- even not "rewarding them" for things they don't deserve rewards for -- but many of us amateurs believe the biggest problem right now is the trio of Rob Schremp, Blake Comeau and Josh Bailey. None of those three look right, right now, and they appear to be dragging each other down into a lethargic, confused funk. There are likely positional and stylistic factors for each of them, but collectively they have a chance to make this team a three-line team and they aren't seizing it.
- On the other hand, Michael Grabner and P.A. Parenteau very much did look right. Parenteau is still hustling and playing smart for all 200 feet of ice. Grabner potted a goal -- to tie it briefly at 1-1 - and an assist to continue his hot streak this month.
- On that note, Capuano talked about how Grabner does a lot despite not getting prime ice time (no powerplay time, essentially). Indeed.
- Extreme Corsi of the Night: Here's a minor reflection of how well Grabner's line with Frans Nielsen and Kyle Okposo did: Their primary defensive opposition, Jamie McBain and Joni Pitkanen, were each -17 in Corsi on the night. No other Hurricane was anywhere near that much in the red.
- Matt Moulson also showed he's serious. Not a great game for him but he wasn't taking shifts off, and he rushed to John Tavares's defense when he was getting mugged by Ryan Carter at the end of the second period.
- On defense, the Isles tried a different look to break up the Bruno Gervais-Dylan Reese third pairing: Radek Martinek was in charge of babysitting Reese (and they were victimized on the first goal), and Jack Hillen was with Gervais.
- The depth-challenged defense is clearly an on-going problem for this team, but they weren't the problem tonight -- or, no one was playing far below their expectations the way the RSH/Comeau/Bailey line has. Andrew MacDonald misplayed things on the Canes' go-ahead goal though. His goal late in garbage time didn't really make up for that -- nor did he celebrate it (his first of the season) like it would.
- In all, it was a 4-1 game with a late goal making the score look closer. All four Canes goals came at even strength. EV shots were close -- 23-21 for Carolina, but mistakes and run of play were not.
- FIG Winner: Cheers to vwrc, whose pick was within two minutes of Grabner's actual goal time.
Shift Charts: These aren't the easiest charts to read, but once you get the hang of manipulating them the shift charts at Timeonice show you who played with whom, and when. You can drag players up to next to each other, and as you scroll right you can mouse over a bar and it will tell you the name of the player. For example, you can see Schremp spend the second half of the first on the bench, and get a shift on the fourth line in the second. (By the way, to get these for other games, you go to the TOI home page and enter the game number, which is available in the URL of the nhl.com preview/game summary/recap etc.
All-Star Break Reassignments: The Islanders returned Kevin Poulin and Reese to AHL Bridgeport after the game. You can read two-way money matters into that, but the Sound Tigers have games this weekend so there's a compelling competitive reason to send them the help.
Garth Snow Speaks: If you didn't see them, you can see on the official site clips of Garth Snow's "state of the team" interview with Howie Rose that they showed on MSG. Nothing earth-shattering, some Nabokov talk, talk of the priority to sign Moulson, and talk of letting the goaltending/Poulin situation play itself out. I'll embed them here if they become available that way.
Update: Those Snow videos are now viewable on a dedicated page on the official site.
That Guardian Project Thing: Oh, just vote in this thing and end it already. Wait...that's a Facebook link? Oh, go ahead and "like" Lighthouse Hockey on Facebook while you're at it. Then tell me what that means and how I should manage it better.
The Story about the Fist
First of all, if you were called for that horrendous goalie interference call in Pittsburgh last night the way P.A. Parenteau was, you might think the refs were out to violate you, too.
Second, after a frustrating night -- poor play, though not by Parenteau, plus three Islanders shots hitting the post -- the last thing you want is for another unlucky bounce to spoil your last chance at getting one more goal back.
Third, because of the very sparse crowd, MSG was picking up on-ice player audio all night long. You heard someone, maybe Rick DiPietro, drop a big F-bomb right after the Hurricanes' first goal. You heard lots of chatter and hollers. Great television, honestly.
So this was the scene in question:
It's 4-2, just 16 seconds left, and the Islanders have the goalie pulled and are pressuring in the Canes' zone and are just trying to mount one last push, just for the hell of it. Just because you never give up. Because hey, they're about to go on break, might as well try to nab one goal back, right? But the puck bounces waaaaay up in the air behind the net -- like high enough where everyone just has to stand there and wait for it to come down within reach.
Except Joe Corvo has body position for the puck, with the net blocking the only route to meet him like a an opening tip. And if you're PAP, you know what he's going to do: He's not going to catch it, or even high-stick it, or wait for it to hit the ice. No, Corvo is ready to swat at it, handball-style, and send it careening out of the zone.
So Parenteau does what you would do: He pops the Hurricane in the back at just the right moment to keep him from swatting it away. Well, maybe it was more of a pop. Okay, yeah, it was maybe a crosscheck. Definitely a penalty. But with 16 seconds left, maybe PAP is thinking, "Come on, let us play? What can it hurt."
But the ref -- it seemed like fine officiating tonight, for a change -- calls it right away. And Parenteau's jaw drops, and in language that can be heard over MSG audio as clear as Howie and Butch, Parenteau goes: "Are you fist-f#$%ing me?!" [YouTube]
No, P.A. He's not. It just feels that way.
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Alright, I've given that minor moment too much attention. But it was a hilarious scene, a fair summation of the season, and sadly one of the high points in our game thread, as Parenteau's frustration was palpable and understandable. Discouraging, depressing end to the first "half" of the season. New Jersey lost to Detroit tonight though, so the Islanders still enter the break just a hair above 30th overall.
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Thoughts.
1: Grabner is on fire. So is A-Mac. Grabs was +2. A-Mac was +1. And to no one’s surprise, Frans was our only other plus player, at +2. This is becoming a trend we’re seeing every game.
2: We all know that the RSH/Comeau/Bailey line is not working, despite all it’s potential. As much as I’m a fan of what RSH can bring, it’s time to send him to the press box for a few games. Give Bailey some time at center. See if that shakes things up. Bailey is too important to our organization for us to see him continue to slip into these funks. We need to answer the question of whether he’s catching Comeau’s and RSH’s streakiness, or if he’s streaky too.
That’s all that’s on my mind right now. I think that we’re not going to be able to truly answer the RDP question behind our currently-depleted defense, and he has shown improvement as the season has gone on, but we’re not really getting a quality look anymore.
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RDP
In that interview with Howie Rose, Snow called Poulin part of “the core.” That was interesting.
It is hard to answer the RDP question even still; I’m just still relieved to not have to fully worry about it. Ever since the draft binge on goalies, I felt pretty good that one of the kid goalies will hit. At this point, Poulin is in the lead, big time, and that’s cool.
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yeah I heard that too
and believe he very well coul dbe. what will happen to RDP I don’t know o really care. I would love for the team to some how place their support behind Poulin and go from there.
I think the goalie situation is effecting the rest of the team. It shouldn’t matter but it seems they can not get into a routine with a different goalie every night. I am not sure how may back to back starts we have seen in the last month.
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by Rickfansince76 on Jan 27, 2011 7:04 AM EST up reply actions
Poulin and RDP
I worry about how DiPietro’s contract will affect the decision on Poulin, even if he shines in the next year or two. Are we willing to pay a backup 4.25 million a year if Poulin is solid number one material? And given that the price of goalies has really dropped league-wide the past few years (some teams are paying solid number ones around 3 million) are we going to be spending too much on goaltending to field a competitive group of skaters? I hate to belabor the problems with that contract, but I worry sometime it will cause systemic problems for us both in terms of bringing new goalies up and in paying salaries for forwards and defensemen in the future. Of course, this all assumes (maybe completely foolishly) that we move to a point in the next few years when the team is spending money and the cap, not the floor, becomes an actual issue. I want to see RDP perform well enough to not make this a concern, but right now it is a worry.
Agreed
There are definitely potential problems down the line if he is able to play regularly but is only an average goalie. Whether they spend or don’t spend, eventually that money is an issue if it’s not giving you the return.
For now though I know even if Poulin or someone in the system grabs the reins, for the next few years they won’t command more $$$ than your average vet backup or prospect callup.
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I try not to worry too much about any contract beyond the current CBA. For all we know they limit contracts to 7 years and the argument becomes moot. I think the 24% rollback and the shot at the Devils are all indications that the NHL is willing to do to things 1)re-work exisitng contracts and 2) that limiting the number of years is coming in the next CBA. For once this may help the Islanders.
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IT had better be #2 and not #1.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 27, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Are we willing to pay a backup 4.25 million a year if Poulin is solid number one material?
Of course they will.
Rick DiPietro is not a 35+ contract and doesnt have a NMC, either. If at that time he is still with the club, its because he will be doing his job.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 27, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
besides...
we’ll control poulin for a decent price for the next 4-6 years, and if he’s as good as we hope he can be, he’ll be a VERY nice trade piece when he nears his contract end with us
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AHHHHHHHH!
Don’t say stuff like that. If Poulin’s as good as we hope he can be, I want him here stopping pucks.
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Hmmm....
Loyalty runs both ways. Roy has said that he really loved playing in Montreal. He just couldn’t stand Mario Tremblay. Apparently there was a lot going on behind the scenes that led to the debacle against Detroit when Tremblay left him in to be embarrassed like a shlub. And had cooler heads prevailed, he may have stayed in Montreal after the situation had calmed down.
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Just so glad I was there to see it!
One of my fondest moments of living in Montreal and using the in-laws season tickets. The newspapers the next day were fantastic. I even kept the front page sof the Gazette and La Presse posted on my board until the day I move to rub in the faces of Hab fans when they visited.
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We should start
writing down who is noted as being
“In the Core”
"Gervais...he looks danger in the fist with his face!" JPinVA
snort
That movie is so laugh-out-loud awful.
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I agree. Could be rough to evaluate.
I thought DP played well tonight. Nothing spectacular, but I’d say around average or a little above, definitely not below average. Made some nice saves and didn’t have a real honest shot at stopping any of those goals imo. He’s made some big strides, but if the opposing team’s are going to have multiple odd man rushes a game or uncontested shots from point blank, we may never get a good gauge of ricky for next year. But imo, he’s looked really good lately and as long as he’s healthy, I have confidence in his abilities in the net.
I’d also like to see Bailey either swapped back to the nielsen line or given center time. But right now, the center time makes the most sense for him given how he’s been overall at wing lately. We also need to do some more moving around. I’d advocate trying schremp out at wing if we aren’t sitting him or after sitting him to see if he can play it now. Comeau I don’t know what to do with. 6gms scoreless streak after the hotness for him. Maybe swap him and Okposo on lines to try something? I don’t know, don’t wanna touch grabner or the 1st line right now so there aren’t many options. i’ve done enough rambling for now though, lol. I’d suggest a lineup coming back from the all star game that looks like:
Moulson/JT/PAPfister
Grabner/Nielsen/Comeau
Schremp/Bailey/KO
MMA/ZK/Gillies
A-mac/Hamonic
Hillen/Gervais
Katic/Martin
The Isles future looks brighter then most would think with these young core guys in place:
Tavares, Okposo, Bailey, Nielsen, Niederreiter, Grabner, MacDonald, Hamonic, and DeHaan.
Nobody else I'd wanna use at wing really to replace schremp on that line though if we sit him.
-Colliton doesn’t do anything for the 3rd line
-Rakh is barely playing back from a concussion
-How is ullstrom doing in the ahl?
-Can JJ even be useful on another trip up? He might have easily worn out his welcome last time.
-Martin is a possiblity too. He might be worth the try actually. See if his game adapts with better players or if he can play a solid all around game when need be.
Not many options unless weight is healthy or hunter is back(which has been rumored by yahoo that hunter is skating and close back, no idea where they got that info though).
The Isles future looks brighter then most would think with these young core guys in place:
Tavares, Okposo, Bailey, Nielsen, Niederreiter, Grabner, MacDonald, Hamonic, and DeHaan.
Punishment benchings
Nobody else I’d wanna use at wing really to replace schremp on that line though if we sit him.
Agreed, that’s the difficulty I see with their current situation, unless they want to bring Rhett back up right after the break: They are finally at the point where they can dress 12 healthy forwards who should make 3 competent lines + 1 energy/ruffian/fighter line. So take one guy out for punishment and you’ve got…well Gillies in for one, and Colliton playing up for another.
So i don’t know. RSH was just scratched recently. Does that mean he needs another? Does that help? And then the fear is that the other two lines are working — PAP/JT/MM are practically inseparable now, even though they aren’t always the best line. That’s why I like JP’s idea of moving KO to RSH/Comeau’s line, with Bailey sliding back up to that Frans/Grabner wing. That might even be a nice test for KO in the leadership vein: Will he do the barking necessary to get those two to play 200 feet if such a barking is needed?
Beyond that, honestly the best carrot for any forward who considers himself a scorer is the powerplay. Start manipulating that around and maybe the passengers get the message.
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You know it's bad
When we’re requesting to see Gervais/Hillen again
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Not to belabor the point, but.....
……Bruno had his best game of the season last night – 2 shots on goal and an attempted 3rd in less than 2 minutes, thinking he was -1 (haven’t checked….) He seems to be getting much better from what I see, and Jack had a couple of bad breaks after playing quite well the past few games or so…..
He hit the post, too- a loud ringer
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 27, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
hahaha
I know right.
Actually Hillen looks much better than earlier in the year. I think part of that was his confidence was probably close to shattered after he was benched to start the year. Even Gervais has played better lately, but he’s still pretty bad in his own end.
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If we get Jurcina back, ever
How about this for some wacky hockey?
1st line – PA/JT/MM as usual
2nd line – Grabner/Frans/KO
3rd line – Comeau/Bailey/Colliton
4th line – MMa/ZK/Bruno
at least they were able to make McBain look like shit
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To steal form JPinVA a couple of +/-'s
+ obviously Grabner, even Howie Rose is starting to notice him now.
+ MG/FN/KO line again consistently putting on pressure
+ I’ll give one to RDP. A couple of really big time saves. Got hurt on a 2 on 1 that was played horribly by Hamonic and a deflection from the point. But he kept them in the game as long as he could.
- to Tavares. He was awful tonight. How many times is he going to turn the puck over? And a lot of indecision. He had one good scoring chance and didn’t even get it on net.
- Hamonic. He looked a little lost all night. On that 2 on 1, he didn’t commit to either go after the puck or block the pass, got caught in between and allowed that pass through for an easy goal. Maybe he’s tired, I don’t know but this might have been his worst game of the year.
Overall it was a pretty poor effort but the building was empty, Carolina needed the game, and a week-long vacation looms. I know when I have a vacation coming from work, my last day there is pretty unproductive. We’ll see what they go in the second half.
PS – I’m so f’n sick of the snow (not Garth Snow, actual snow)
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JT
I noticed that after both hat tricks this year he seems to go into a slump
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by Rickfansince76 on Jan 27, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Hard to judge
Hat tricks are REALLY HARD to get. Sure, if Tavares kept scoring here and there after that it wouldn’t be as noticeable, but by definition, a guy is always going to look like he’s “down” after coming off a large high like that.
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overcritical
you do realize that Hamonic started to play it one way, but when he didnt get the help he thought he was going to get, he got screwed into playing it middle… in the end, his play was fine, as it forced a pass that would have been tougher to handle had AMac not deflected it right to a perfect shooting spot for Staal… the big minus is Amac’s for turning it over and for deflecting the pass, even RSH was coming back to cover Staal and probably could have stick checked him if the pass went untouched
tavares wasn’t great, but Awful is going a bit far… he was was joined by 5 others in the -2 club, but he at least threw pucks at the net, and i’m pretty sure he set up bruno’s post-clanger
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Hamonic started to play it one way, but he was playing it the wrong way. He overcommitted to the puck carrier when he didn’t have weak side support. and he actually came over from the weak side. Now I have a hard time blaming the one defenseman that is actually back on a two on one since it was AMAC that caused the turnover in the first place just inside the blue trying to make a move on Staal when he didn’t have good puck support. So I say a pox on both of them on that play.
If Hamonic sticks to the right defense position, AMAC is more likely not trying to chase across ice to get to Staal on the far side. Hamonic is in a bettter position on Staal and AMAC puts pressure on the puck carrier coming down the left side. DP has to hold the short side since that is where the puck carrier is. That little deflection by the defense only seemed to put the puck in a better position for Staal to shoot and it was an excellent pass. However, this is NOT the way your draw up playing a 2-on-1 when it results in three players on their knees behind the net under the glos of the red light.
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hold on...
you want hamonic to just let the guy walk in? untouched, staal had to catch up to make it a 2-1, hamonic saw what was happening and motions for guys to hustle back to the spot staal was going to… he misjudged who’d win that race maybe, but he can’t occupy that position and let the man come in on a breakaway
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Shooter goes to the goalie - Defense 101
The defense should position themselves so that the shooter cannot walk in, but his primary repsonsibility is to ensure that the pass does not get across. DP has to stay on the near post in case the shooter takes the shot. IF the D covers the pass the goaltender can come out and cut down the angle. If the Defense overcommits to the puck carrier, the goaltender cannot challenge and he can’t move off the post until the pass is made. Now it may be completely wrong, but that is what goaltenders and coaches have been telling me for over 30+ years on the ice. I take the shooter, you stay in the middle so the shooter stays in his lane and take the pass.
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1919, i know the basics
my point is that the this didn’t start as a clear cut 2-1, it developed into one because staals hustle beat our backcheck, which hamonic didnt think was going to happen, he knew he had help, but he misjudged the speed of them or of staal, and was forced to play both, which almost never works
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I just think he overcommitted, that tends to happen when you try to do too much and is factored into his youth. I see players his age at all skill levels do the same thing, get a little too mesmerized by the puck and go after it. Give him a go round in the NHL and he’ll remember how fast Staal is compared to our offense.
The fact that our backcheck was beaten is consistent with two factors; they were playing back-to-back and a lot of hockey in the last seven games and our back-check gets beaten on most other nights as well.
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Disagree
When I played I insisted on the D-man to go to the shooter and FORCE a pass. That increased the odds of a mistake. To me you never let a guy skate in unchallenged at your goalie, FORCE the pass which could very well be bad.
by Russel Ginart on Jan 27, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
There's a real fine line...
in forcing the shooter to maintain his lane, thus allowing the Goalie to be able to play the shot, and overcommitting. The D’s first responsibiity on a 2-1 is to prevent the cross ice pass that leaves the goalie desperately sliding from one side to the other wiht no chance to set up for the one-timer you know is coming.
However, what is in my opinion the BEST way to play the 2 on 1 is not just to back straight in on the goaltender while doing nothing but block the passing lane, but to angle your own line TOWARD the shooter’s lane so that eventually you are in a position to put pressure on him to make a decision: (shoot or pass) on YOUR terms and not his own. You prefer that that decision is either way too soon and hurried or way too late at which point he is too close to the goaltender to make a decision to pass and is forced to make a scoring attempt that he is not prepared for and from too close in. Recognizing who the shooter is as opposed to the pass target and knowing which is the more dangerous of the two is also key.
One thing you do not want is to move to the shooter and then allow him to move around you to the middle, thus effectively creating a 2 on none.
The D’s decision making process is frequently screwed by a 2 on 1 developing where he thought it was one on one. By the time the problem is recognized, it’s too late and you’re overcommitted to the shooter before you realize that he has a pass option.
NTIPC
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jan 27, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Now you sound like my goaltender where no shots on goal should ever be allowed, but he’s a pylon with pads. I concede that there is merit to increasing the number of mistakes. However, I’m not advocating conceding the space in front of the net for the puck carrier, you still need to keep them in their lane, which should force a pass from a bad angle.
This leads to my offensive rule for 2-on-1s. Puck carrier always takes the shot and makes sure it is on net, the second man is there as a distraction and for rebounds. Then again, I’m a defensemen that never saw a shot I wouldn’t take and the odds of me ever being on a 2-on-1 are slim and none.
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That isn’t orthodox defense. The fact is that if the pass gets through, it’s pretty much an automatic goal. The d-man should not let the puck carrier just waltz into center of the crease, of course, but if he can angle him to the outside, the much higher percentage play is to let him shoot.
The D-man should not just commit to the shooter and forget the other oncoming forward. As you state: The D-man should angle him to a low percentage shot and FORCE a pass, IMO. When I goaltended I was asked by my D-men which way did I want to got with on a 2-1. My preference was to force the attckers into one more extra play just to get a shot on goal. I knew my D-men would basically taken on the shooter and I would have to move to make a play on the open forward. Through experience I had more success with this apporach, more times than not, a forced pass went mishandled and no shot came.
by Russel Ginart on Jan 27, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Might have worked better at lower levels of hockey, but in the NHL that pass is getting across more times than not. And then it’s a goal. Unless the shooter is an Islander, in which case the shot misses the net.
You may be correct
Although I did not make the NHL, Ill keep an eye out around the league to see if teams use this method or not.
by Russel Ginart on Jan 27, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
I prefer to take the shot myself
If I’m prepared for him, the shooter has to beat me clean. I far prefer that to having to move, reset, and react… if I even have the time to do #2 or #3, which I may not. While a pass-and-shoot has more “working parts” per say, the rewards are higher.
The defender ought to take a line where the shooter is limited to one side of the rink, so it becomes a low-percentage shot on a prepared keeper… and DON’T OVERCOMMIT. Ideally he can knock down a pass, or failing that, get over in time to harass the new shooter. If he just attacks the puck carrier, the pass gets through, and instead of a 2-on-1 you have a breakaway.
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Sorry, I've been digging all day
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heheheheh
Don’t let the little icon fool you!
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Actually my ritual is that I pull the puck out of the net and not the goaltender. That’s my way of taking responsibility for allowing a shot on goal.
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we're gonna get along just fine
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The Islanders are missing the net with their shots, they are rebounding off the glass.
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Might have worked better at lower levels of hockey, but in the NHL that pass is getting across more times than not
Haha, that’s what I always tell teammates. “Dude, this isn’t the NHL — it’s a rec league, filled with bad players. Force them to make passes and plays, and they’ll probably screw it up for you.”
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Agreed on hamonic
2 on 1 is hard to play against to begin with…I might venture to say we’re getting a bit spoiled by that combo’s ability to break those up lately. Did he play it poorly, yes, but I don’t know what the success rate is on breaking those up…sometimes you’ll miss, and those guys had a good amount of speed coming in. I’ll give him a pass and hope that we give up less of those.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 27, 2011 10:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t want the guy shipped out or anything, but when you’re on a two on one, you have to keep the pass from getting through and he didn’t, like Hockey1919 said. I still love the guy though.
"It don't make you a bad person" - Ron Bennington
Exactly
Every player makes mistakes. And brainfarts. And good intentions that end poorly, or wild risks that turn up roses (::cough::Jack Johnson). Part of the fun is picking them out, breaking them down — doesn’t mean anyone’s getting crucified for a mistake or a bad game.
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Yet
/bwahahaha
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 27, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
crucifixions will only occur after the public lashings
I just like to point out the mistakes because they have more talent than I ever will and this is my small chance to be make me feel better about myself.
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Also
I bet they aren’t half as literate. So there.
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PS – I’m so f’n sick of the snow (not Garth Snow, actual snow)
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 27, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
+ I would like to give Dylan Reese a plus for carrying the puck out of the slot and making a nice clearing play on the PK in the firs period. Don’t say we never say anything nice about him. I thought he looked solid. First goal was just a broken play. Martinek did bump the goal scorer, but the puck bounced in Carolina’s favor on that one.
+ Grabner makes things happen. I thought he originally attempted a shot on net on his goal then realized what a great pass he made across the slot. I criticized him earlier for not using the time and space he was creating wisely, but he has really developed in the past twenty games.
+ Hamonic for fighting to wake this team up. – Konopka for fighting when the team had just caught fire and Carolina was seeing momentum swing. I hate giving these minuses when guys are willing to get punched in the face, but not every challenge has to be accepted.
- Hamonic for his overall play the rest of the night. This break will do wonders and we’ll see a different Hamonic in a weeks time. Just give him a rest he seems weary and it is the mental game that needs a break.
+ Moulson for a nice defelction down low that nearly snuck in. He goes to the net whenever the puck is shot. For any other deficiencies he’s the one forward always crossing the crease and not circling around the net.
+ Snow for getting out there and explaining his side of the story. No bombshell revelations, but at least tell the fans the simple fact of the matter. Howie actually asked many of the pertinent questions and Snow gave him the non-binding answers I expected, but at least with Nabokov he is realizing you have to define the narrative.
+AMAC for his first of the year, he’s played well enough this season so that on an off night I’ll congratulate him on something he has earned. PS Did Pronger show up to take the puck?
- Sutter scoring against the Islanders, not right, just like Parise. Would even be willing to take back Tambellini to have a Parise, Sutter, Tambellini line for a night, just for old times sake.
Question, when was the last time you can recall an Islander throwing a bit hit anywhere on the ice? It just struck me as they came out flat last night.
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clears throat
First goal was just a broken play
unfortunately, the puck was in mr reese’s possession, and his flubbing of the clear led to that first goal… i felt bad for him… i thought rdp was going to scold him again
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I just didn’t think he was in a really good position to clear the puck in the first place, he should have gone towards the boards, but he lookedlike he was back on his heals just trying to clear it from the front of the net. I’m trying to give the poor guy a plus for a different play, but couldn’t help but notice he was out their for Carolina’s “second” first goal of the night, which leads to a plus I forgot.
+ The officials for disallowing the first Carolina puck that crossed the goal line. It would help if they actually made a call on the ice instead of standing around bobble heading whether to make a call or not, but the right call was eventually made.
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First goal
Agreed…everyone could’ve done a little better there (Martinek just bumped the guy…who ended up scoring; Reese’s attempt to clear failed, but it was after the puck bounced in and out of his area) but overall it was a broken play where, let’s not forget, Boychuk did really well to take that brief instant he had to grab the puck and fire it in.
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honestly
he should have gone towards the boards
i think he tried and just flubbed it… went to CAR though, which was bad… lol
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I’m more forgiving of flubs, since I’m a hack and even when I intend to do the right thing it goes poorly. Guys just not thinking about what they are doing or making the same mistake over and over because they think it’ll work this one time, drives me crazy.
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I think the Rob Schremp Circle
drives me more crazy than any other single thing that any other Islander does.
"It don't make you a bad person" - Ron Bennington
Don’t get me started on the RSH Circle, but at least Wiznieski is not setting a pick at the blueline.
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+ Snow for getting out there and explaining his side of the story. No bombshell revelations, but at least tell the fans the simple fact of the matter. Howie actually asked many of the pertinent questions and Snow gave him the non-binding answers I expected, but at least with Nabokov he is realizing you have to define the narrative.
I am with you, but I really cannot believe the SHIT he is getting on various websites for answering a few stinkin questions about Nabfukov. People are so UNBELIEVABLY STUPID. Why does the idiocy of the masses shock me like this? Youd think Id be used to how goddamn stupid people are… but Im not. Its a fault of mine, I keep thinking that there are so many people who ARENT complete idiots. But I am wrong. I have to REMEMBER things like this and stop assuming even minimal logic or rationality are characteristics most people share. I have to give my fellow man FAR less credit.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 27, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hee hee
The problem is now all these people have access to the Internet. ;)
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Dead Issue
No need to re-hash this anymore, 1. Snow legally claimed Naby, 2. Naby did not report, 3. Naby gets suspended, 4. Naby gets tolled: Case closed NHL waiver ruels. The shit you hear from other websites is insignificant.
by Russel Ginart on Jan 27, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
rec'd
love the Nabby nickname.
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01/26/11 VS CAR +/-
Thanks… just too tired last night… and putting out fires all morning. I will add a few things…
- PAP for getting into the James Wisniewski Islander HOF for inventing a new term for the official douchenozzle. “Are you FISTF***ING me?” I’m 45, and I don’t think I’ve ever heard the addition of “fist” in that term, and usually there is a “with” in it. The only time both terms have been absent has involved at least a fifth of vodka.
- RDP again does not look focused. Loss not his fault, but a better goalie keeps them in that one longer. He has now given up 11 goals to the canes in two games…. so when they play he shall be known as Rick “FEMA” DiPietro… as he can not handle the pressure brought on by Hurricanes. I can’t take credit for that, I think it was Dom that lent “FEMA” to my Trailer Park Rickey observation.
+ I like the fact that THE CAP shuffled the bottom two lines to motivate (JB and BC) and punish (RSH). If they get a little healthier I’d really like to see a Martin-Bailey-Rakhshani, Schremp-Konopka-Comeau(because there are just too many lefties on the team that can’t play the off wing to accomodate his shot)
+ Snow’s interview. Even though I think that Howie was trying to get his creds pulled so he could get out of hte booth with Butchy, Snow offers a very level headed, business like approach. For all the three little pigs episodes we’ve read and have watched with Botta, Snow is just going about building a winner without really TRYING to make headlines… He’s been doing a fine job, we’ll see what this team looks like in august. If I was Howie I’d have asked him to explain their amateur scouting system now that janks is gone… is it mostly video… is there somebody compiling data from central scouting… do the Isles still have a team of scouts that they employ… a little of all…
+ MAYBE THE LAST GAME FOR DYLAN REESE FOR A WHILE… he played well offensively, but still showed his ass on a few occaisions.
- Paul Maurice. I’m pretty sure he was available when they fired Nolan… I know we had a crappy team at that point, and coming off the TOR fail it would have been hard to make this work risking his career… but man I really wish he was behind out bench the past two and a half years. On a brighter note… Cappy may get an extension, and I think he deserves at least another year, because he has done better with the resources at his disposal.
- Staal, Cole and Ward… (and Skinner) the OTHER reasons why I root for the Canes when they’re not playing the Islanders.
+ Officials… for getting most of the calls right, especially the NON-GOAL call. That would have been an early crusher.
+ Any of the fans that showed up for this one. The weatherman has not been kind ot the NY Islanders.
- Dude who made up the schedule… “Hey Joe, what should I do with the Islanders, they will be 4 games behind everybody else at the all-star break?”, “oh… I forgot about them”, ‘I can give them 5 games in 7 nights… traveling after each one… are there any rules against that?", "I don’t think so, call Colin, I think he owns the scheduling wheel of sacrifice".
- NHL ALL STAR WEEKEND… Let’s face it.. .the NHL ALL-STAR GAME is a SUCK JOB… it’s like the shoot out without any consequences. They should just hold it in VEGAS every year so weather is never an issue and people have SOMETHING ELSE TO DO if they go there. NC in late January is not exactly where you want to go to see you’re favorite players in a pond hockey game… and a few skills competitions…. and then go catch them at a jersey signing at bubba’s barbeque, or.. if you’re lucky you can scalp two decent B-ball tickets for the trade-in value of your lexus.
+ They can’t lose for five days straight!
+ I will note for my own documentation that pauly c has already given pluses to Grabner and the whole FN MG KO line… Grabs is quickly becoming one of the NHL’s most exciting players. There’s no doubt that he has 30 goal potential. the only question is if those toothpicks can handle 70 NHL games with PP and PK time.
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Schremp-Konopka-Comeau
This may be the first time you see Konopka beat the snot out of one of his teammates.
Dude who made up the schedule
You’re not kidding. What is truly amazing is that we have that many games in hand, AND that we have the third highest amount of back to backs this year. Spread them out for god sakes. Do you realize that means that 40+ games come as part of a back to back package and that at least 25% of our games are starting out behind the 8 ball!
the only question is if those toothpicks can handle 70 NHL games with PP and PK time.
Hey, you can’t hit what you can’t catch!
"Gervais...he looks danger in the fist with his face!" JPinVA
I thought Maurice had already signed with Leafs when Gordo was hired.
I could confirm, bu that would require a Google search and it seem like too much of an effort.
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Can we rename that line F'N OMG?
(F)rans’(N)iesen (O)kposo(M)ichael(G)rabner
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
Funky, OMG
FNKOMG
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- Dude who made up the schedule… "Hey Joe, what should I do with the Islanders, they will be 4 games behind everybody else at the all-star break?", "oh… I forgot about them", ‘I can give them 5 games in 7 nights… traveling after each one… are there any rules against that?", “I don’t think so, call Colin, I think he owns the scheduling wheel of sacrifice”.
My favorite part of a +/- filled with good ones.
Lighthouse Hockey: "Are you fist-f#$%ing me?!" --P.A. Parenteau
not gonna listen to your big time, hard line, bad luck,
(take it PA)
FIST $#@&!
ah, early NIN, gets me pumped in the morning
NYI Hockey! We'll get that winless month yet!
Great tune. Remember B&B rocking to it too
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cool
Where’d you get the pick of Grabs and Comeau?
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and...
Stinkfist by Tool is probably on PA’s playlist as well
by Original Rob on Jan 27, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
there's something to be said for ...
the concept of ‘addition by subtraction.’ and in this case, i think this team would be better off with bailey at center and with 2 NEW linemates.
i think comeau is an underachiever and schremp is no more than flashy AT TIMES. that’s not near enough for bailey’s upside to be realized. and i’m still convinced his upside is very ‘up.’ he needs to be in the middle of 2 guys better suited to help him get there.
Like who?
I don’t think we have them yet. You could say KO, but his game isn’t back yet, but the remaining options aren’t to good if he is at center because he would be breaking up one other successful line. I’ve been wanting to see him back with FN and Grabs (but honestly anyone that plays with Frans gets better and Im not sure if that just masks a lesser player’s faults, or allows them to shine) and move KO with BC and RSH…then, whoever continues to fail can be shuffled to 4th with promotions for MMA, JC, or Rhett (or call up ullstrom).
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 27, 2011 10:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i think you may be right.
they may not “have them yet.” but bailey is being held back by the status quo. and if moving schremp and/or comeau is the way to get bailey where and what he needs to flourish, then they should do it and do it soon.
Agreed
I just wish JB was showing some chemistry with anyone other than FN/MG, but really, that is where I’d put him…I think he’d be successful and sheltered there, get some confidence, and begin to make plays. Honestly, when he’s on, I think he looks like he has better hands than KO (just an opinion, not able or wanting to defend it with data…because I don’t have it). It could be entirely possible that BC and RSH are as confusing to JB as they are to us (why the hell did he do that) to the point where he doesn’t know what they’re gonna do and since it defies hockey logic sometimes, maybe it’s actually good that he’s struggling. Maybe he won’t conform to a line that is not playing smart.
I think we’ve all seen that in the NFL too, like with defensive backs…just because a guy jumps a route and is successful, doesn’t mean he wasn’t out of position in regards to the man he was supposed to cover…when it works, genius…when the qb makes an adjustment and gets it to the guy he’s supposed to be covering, idiot.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 27, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Me either
Initially, it was becasue FN was out for a few…JB to center
Then, FN came back, but with KO
KO to FN wing to ease back in, JB to opposite wing.
So in the last 2-3 weeks, he has played 3 different positions with at least 6 different linemates.
"Gervais...he looks danger in the fist with his face!" JPinVA
I agree, Bailey has better hands than KO but KO is a killer
If bailey had that killer instinct like KO he would be a star
Agree on both
KO is relentless…that’s why it’s kind of sad that he doesn’t finish often. He reminds me of a bigger, better, Claude Lapointe that way. That guy worked his ass off, skated, possessed the puck, took a beating, played the body, gave himself so many opportunities, but just absolutely never finished. Kyle of course is not even close to the extreme, but you can see what I mean.
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Do I dare bring up Andy Hilbert???
I hope KO can start finishing…I admit I root for him to score the most…He deserves it the most
Yep
that’s a closer comparison to Lapointe!
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Hilbert could achieve the physically impossible. I swear I saw him with the puck on his stick, put his whole stick into the net, and the puck went wide. It was like the goal line was a force field that slid the puck outside the post.
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Andy Hilbert
he was like a glitch in EA ’92
"Gervais...he looks danger in the fist with his face!" JPinVA
What do I personally have to do for Bailey to get some time at Center???
Schremp is terrible at defense and not prolific enough on offense for us to overlook it.
I think the problem is
Neither is Bailey right now… you’d like to ride the hot hand, but no one has one. But I think the biggest thing is the hope for Bailey’s “potential”, and the fact that many had written Schremp off as “bust”. Neither is getting it done, and they have to figure something out. In fairness, he did get some time at center last night, and RSH was moved to wing with Konopka. Maybe that is the start of getting him some consistent time there to see what he can do over the long haul…who knows. In the post-game Cappy interview, he didn’t give the impression he has a lot of say in the lineup, and may not really be comfortable with demotions and juggling yet, but last night he did a bunch of it, and sounded frustrated by some players games.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 27, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Have you ever noticed that Bailey is a really terrible center? Because he is. At least at the NHL level anyway.
for a couple of shifts last night I watched just Bailey and he was pretty stagnant. I’m not saying he was disinterested but it kind of looked that way. He looked like he was unsure of where to go and how to fit in on that line.
Again I don’t think he was disinterested but he was definitely unsure of himself. I figure when in doubt, skate your ass off. But he was kind of just floating around. I think all three of those guys (his linemates included) are either trying to find themselves or want to become figure skaters (RSCH).
Hopefully Bailey wakes up soon, b/c he’s shown the AHL is too easy for him and I think he can excel in the NHL.
"It don't make you a bad person" - Ron Bennington
Comeau and Schremp both seem to be puck possession guys and Bailey is a setup guy. How do you set people up if they have the puck? KO could be a trigger man with Schremp and Comeau, but they both tend to hold the puck until they realize they don’t have a shooting option.
PAP has been working with JT and Moulson since he carries, they get in position and then MM goes to the net for a shot, JT sets up to distribute and shoot.
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Stagnant would be even worse at center.
Look, playing wing is substantially easier than center. There shouldn’t really be a difficult adjustment at all if Bailey has all of this TEH CORE talent everyone keeps talking about. He just isn’t producing and I doubt it has anything to do with his position/linemates. Neither is most of the team, of course, but Bailey seems to get a pass while others take the heat.
The pass for Bailey
won’t last forever. I’d say he needs to finish the season strong or he starts next year in the scapegoat crosshairs (esp if RSH/Reese/Comeau are not back).
People forgive b/c he made the jump straight from juniors and when you draft a top-10 guy you hold out hope to see some star potential. Every flash (like early this year, and even his scoring frenzy in the AHL) buys him a little time. But year 3 will be put up or shut up time.
It would be funny to hear the quotes from Bailey and Gordon after like the first week of the season: “Garth doesn’t get enough credit for drafting this guy” and Bailey talking about wanting to establish himself.
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I saw the same thing
but when he did go to the net his line mates wouldn’t get the puck to the net so hes prolly thinking hes wasting his time, taking cross checks to the back only for his RSH or Comeau to cough up the puck…I hope Bails isnt gonna be an enigma
i gave up
when that line gave up that first “no goal”, got benched looked like garbage on the first shift
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I really have high hoped for Bailey...He has shown us what he is able to do...
The thing is so many hockey players are streaky in this league and I hope Bailey isnt gonna be another one
what I have learned to this point of the season is that..
If he can keep all of his limbs attached and stay in his crease, DP is still an excellent NHL quality goalie. His shot stopping and rebound control seem to be just about back to where he was when he made the all star team in what feels like was 1992.
Matt Moulson of last season was not a fluke. He is a legitimate NHL forward.
Rob Schremp does not belong on this team. He is wasting the one forward position where we seem to have an abundance of young talent. He is clogging up our drain and needs to be roto-rootered.
It is extremely difficult to win games on a consistent basis without having at least 5 legitimate NHL players on defense.
Every isle fan should smile at the thought of AMac and Hamonic for years to come.
Matt Martin needs to fight well to stay in the league. I am not saying that he is a goon, or has no skills, but I think he was a little overestimated last year. Make no mistake, I like him on this team as a hitter who can skate and drop them effectively. Can never have too much toughness in this league.
Like him or not, like his role or not, Trevor Gillies is a true NHL heavyweight. When he fights, it’s against the oppositions goons, and he handles himself very well. If everyone on this team filled their role as well as him, well, this season would have promise beyond another high draft pick.
Even veteran reporters don’t know how to ask questions. Capt Jack was explaining how some guys were playing selfish and then how well grabs is playing, despite his lack of PP time. Why in the world didn’t Stan Fishler (whose question Jack was answering) not follow up and ask him WHY HE WASN’T GIVING PP TIME TO A GUY WHO DESERVED IT WHEN THE PP IS A FAILURE AND THERE ARE GUYS ON IT WHO DONT SCORE? Is there any one of us who haven’t wondered repeatedly why Grabs gets so little PP time and why RSH gets regular time with minimal results? Guess Stan hasn’t noticed, or any of the other reporters in the room.
Despite the troubling times, the frustrations and the embarassments which seem to find it regularly, the Islanders are still my absolute favorite franchise in all of sports.
I guess that RSH is the scapegoat of the week around here now
Again, he’s not playing worse than anyone else not on the first line.
RSH plays on the PP because he is one of the few players on the team who has legitimate puck distribution skills.
by AP77 on Jan 27, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ScapeGoat Order
Please we have an order for scapegoats:
1. DP
2. Reese
3. In honorarium Jon Sim
4. Schremp
5. Comeau
6.Gervais
DP is our secure go to guy when in doubt since he is going to be here for a while. Reese and Gervais are kind of on a sliding scale depending on ice time. Schremp and Comeau round out the forward crops because they are buzzwords for circling and consistency arguments. Sim is sliding since he left the team, but can be blamed for stilting the development of any number of players on the team by taking the ice time they didn’t earn.
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by Hockey1919 on Jan 27, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not a bad list
But I think that Reese and Gervais don’t qualify as scapegoats. They’re truly awful NHL d-men.
I miss the days when everything was Andy Sutton’s fault, and then the fault of his even worse replacement, Jurcina. :)
You should make this a fanpost
with a poll. 1st half scapegoat followed by favorite Islander scapegoat of the rebuild…you could bring back such favorites as
Sean Bergenheim
Brendan Witt
Richard Park
Jeff Tambellini
etc.
"Gervais...he looks danger in the fist with his face!" JPinVA
Dont forget Nate Thompson, Freddy Meyer, Mitch Fritz, the list goes on and on.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 27, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 27, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
I'm surprised at you
Surely the Living Scapegoat of the Islanders is He Who Retains No Designation.
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That is in the management category
The original category, was active scapegoats, player category.
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Good point
I think we should just hold a retirement ceremony for He Who is Running Out of Clever Nicknames, a permanent scapegoating. We could raise a banner to the rafters with those “shame, shame” fingers on it, and his initials, or maybe a cheesy penny loafer instead of a number.
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Jesus
we are terrible human beings over here you know that! I feel awful…we have just named an entire roster for god sake…over 2 seasons!
Also,
Wang, Snow, Gordon
"Gervais...he looks danger in the fist with his face!" JPinVA
Tim Jackman, Andy Sutton, Nate Thompson. Freddy Meyer, they all got WAY more shit than Bergie.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 27, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Id take any one of 3 of those 4 guys over Bergie in a heartbeat.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 27, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Another: Andy Hilbert! How could I forget him lol?
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 27, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
I just brought him up in a recent post above
he just never finished…I did like bergy tho
I was going to respond to say that’s crazy, but I just looked it up and Thompson and Jackman are having surprisingly decent seasons for them.
by AP77 on Jan 27, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I love Tim Jackman
I wish I had seen him and Konopka on the 4th line together, that woulda been sweet.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 27, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Fanposts require effort. Commenting is for slackers. I already chose my category.
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by Hockey1919 on Jan 27, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I could just Schremp this thread and see to it that it leads nowhere but circles.
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Whatever
I’m already Bailey’d with this conversation.
"Gervais...he looks danger in the fist with his face!" JPinVA
a scapegoat
is someone blamed for others’ problems. I blame Schremp only for his own soft, ineffective play. HIS play is why I think bailey should be moved to his natural center position in place of him.
I guess if you like the ineffective powerplay and the second unit centers 12 assists (given his supposed ability to distribute the puck), then no reason to tinker with it. hey, maybe I don’t get it, since the head coach seems to agree with your position.
AP, this should clear a lot of this stuff up
Comeau,Bailey, Schremp…complied from Dobber hockey based on even strength ice time. First line-total points and %of points with linemate, 2nd line-total ice time % with linemate.
Proabably should be a fanpost or something:
Comeau
EV COMEAU,BLAKE – SCHREMP,ROB – SIM,JONATHAN 6pts 20.69%
14.6% EV57 COMEAU,BLAKE – 44 SCHREMP,ROB – 16 SIM,JONATHAN
EV BAILEY,JOSH – COMEAU,BLAKE – SCHREMP,ROB 3pts 10.34%
13.38% EV12 BAILEY,JOSH – 57 COMEAU,BLAKE – 44 SCHREMP,ROB
Bailey
EV BAILEY,JOSH – GRABNER,MICHAEL – NIELSEN,FRANS 2pts 13.33%
11.53%EV12 BAILEY,JOSH – 40 GRABNER,MICHAEL – 51 NIELSEN,FRANS
EV BAILEY,JOSH – COMEAU,BLAKE – SCHREMP,ROB 2pts 13.33%
17.81%EV12 BAILEY,JOSH – 57 COMEAU,BLAKE – 44 SCHREMP,ROB
Schremp
EV COMEAU,BLAKE – SCHREMP,ROB – SIM,JONATHAN 6pts 31.58%
25.28%EV57 COMEAU,BLAKE – 44 SCHREMP,ROB – 16 SIM,JONATHAN
EV BAILEY,JOSH – COMEAU,BLAKE – SCHREMP,ROB 2pts 10.53%
23.17%EV12 BAILEY,JOSH – 57 COMEAU,BLAKE – 44 SCHREMP,ROB
What this tells me is that RSH and BC need a guy who will do dirty work, and that JB drags their production down a bit. It also tells me that he would be fine with Nielsen and Grabs. Or we should bring back Sim, but I’m sure that Detroit would grab him and everyone would laugh at us.
"Gervais...he looks danger in the fist with his face!" JPinVA
Interesting. It also sort of shows that JB kind of sucks with everyone, huh? What has been his best line in terms of point production?
Yep, maybe
or Hunter…I’d say KO, but he is not much of a net crasher, but definitely a board worker and puck digger. But definitely an upgrade offensively over Martin, but I would think one of those two guys…problem is, if you go with Martin, you are putting somebody who doesn’t have 4th line game, on the 4th.
"Gervais...he looks danger in the fist with his face!" JPinVA
Those two
But as it is, the linemate time % decreases significantly too. All of those points are the highest totals for each player, and highest ice time.
"Gervais...he looks danger in the fist with his face!" JPinVA
not good, I agree
which is why I would like to see him play in the position that he was drafted to play. If he really is not good, we need to know. We already know how limited Schremp is. If you don’t think that Bailey is more important to the future of this team than Schremp, then we will have to agree to disagree.
Yeah. Bailey=more important to our future team then schremp right now.
The Isles future looks brighter then most would think with these young core guys in place:
Tavares, Okposo, Bailey, Nielsen, Niederreiter, Grabner, Moulson, MacDonald, Hamonic, and DeHaan.
I think HE has to be reminded of that more than we all do.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 29, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
I thought a scapegoat was someone you blamed for ALL of your problems. In some of these cases they are the scapegoat because they do cause all of the problems. I chose to list players that I thought were most often treated as scapegoats and not trying to make a list based on merit.
Sarcasm is my permanent font.
About Snow's stance on Nabokov
If you go to the news article from Yahoo Sports, (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news;_ylt=Ar8MYm6PKrnqnoX5HD8gMa17vLYF?slug=ap-islanders-nabokov) you will see that there are over 600 comments to the article, and each comment can have any number of replies. And most of the Islander haters are really looking like spoiled brats. Also, and quite surprisingly, there are a lot of people defending the Islanders (even if not all of them think too highly of the organization as a whole). It’s been fun mocking the haters over there. If you want to feel good about yourself today, just read what’s being said over there and let the wit fly!
2011 is our year! Now if only seasons didn't span over two years.
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Jan 27, 2011 12:49 PM EST reply actions
ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
I cant stand the stupid!
TOO MUCH STUPID!
DUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHH The Isles plan to trade him! DURRRRRRR.
(DROOL, DRIBBLE) DUUUUH Rick DiPietros contract, DUUHHH DUHHH!
HOLY SHIT I cant take the stupid.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 27, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Wow, impressed with the emoticon.
It was worth posting my drivel to get that link… That was the Shizzle my HansunFrizzle! - JPinVA
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by David Hanssen on Jan 27, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
rec'd just for the emoticon
Luckily Yahoo hides poorly-rated comments, and most of those are from mouth-breathing dim-bulb high-schoolers who think “icing” is what you do to the wine cooler you snuck into the junior prom.
making you Google since 2004
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by mikb on Jan 27, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
PDP
Maybe we can work out a deal with the Oilers? They need a goalie for their rebuild, RDP would be great for them!!LOL
by Russel Ginart on Jan 27, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it's a long term solution! ;-)
2011 is our year! Now if only seasons didn't span over two years.
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Jan 27, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Ha!
Yeah, I tried reasoning with them. If you scroll down you’ll see a post by “Michael” that lists all the facts (I numbered them). And then right after that, you have the same bout o’ stupid spewed over and over again anyway.
Oh, well, you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t f***ing drown him over the internet.
2011 is our year! Now if only seasons didn't span over two years.
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Jan 27, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Its the IDIOTS crying that players "should be allowed to sign with whoever they want"
THE WAIVER WIRE IS NOT UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENCY, YOU GODDAMN IDIOTS!
HE ALREADY HAD THE CHANCE YOURE CRYING OVER AND INSTEAD HE CHOSE RUSSIA!
WHY ARE YOU SO GODDAMN STUPID??????
I cant look anymore.
I want to beat the shit out of the Internet.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 29, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
The internet
is totally asking for it…it’s provoking you!
"Gervais...he looks danger in the fist with his face!" JPinVA
Im telling you, I just have to stop looking lol
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 29, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Careful
The Internet sometimes punches back.
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The "Too Many Men on Ice" Is Too Damned High!
Six I can see, but SEVEN? I know the lines are constantly being adjusted due to injuries and adjustments, but are the assistant coaches coaching?
Hard to get over those boards
with all the bad hips and groins and knees and …sigh
"Gervais...he looks danger in the fist with his face!" JPinVA
That sucked last night........
I woke the hubby up with a WTF on the second one.
Native LI'er living in the land of Black & Gold.
...for some reason I read this as The "Too Many Sexy Men" on the ice
by Fabtraption on Jan 27, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You may want to give Dr. Freud a call.
Sarcasm is my permanent font.
It definitely would have been called 2y ago!!!!!
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 27, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
As a kid I thought it was Toummanimen and thought that F-ing Finn is always in the box. So I knew enough about the F-words, but not the rule book.
Sarcasm is my permanent font.
by Hockey1919 on Jan 27, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
Was his first name Juuhav or Derris?
"Gervais...he looks danger in the fist with his face!" JPinVA
Nickname for the third line
The CBS line…like in the 90’s, nothing worth watching.
"Gervais...he looks danger in the fist with his face!" JPinVA
by Keith Quinn on Jan 27, 2011 1:48 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Wow... aren't we all full of ourselves...
fans of a last place team talking shit about third line players…. you should be proud… really really proud.
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?
You okay or am I reading this the wrong way?
"Gervais...he looks danger in the fist with his face!" JPinVA
by Keith Quinn on Jan 27, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
It's 10:30 and I'm just getting to the Matt Moulson news...
Been drinking all night… you can’t take me seriously… I’m somewhere between sarcasm and a psuedo-beligerent drunk…
I rec’d ya cause I thought it was funny… but on the serious side, I’ve been trying to defend these guys… and jeez… we’re talking about the third line of a last place team.
C… is second on the team in scoring
B… has been Parentau’d (which I think is french for Artificially inseminated like a bull… with a FIST) by an organization almost totally devoid of talent in his draft year.
S… a scrap heap waiver pickup that last year added some excitement to a really crappy team. This year we can shit on him because we have Grabner and the rest of the lineup is starting to CATCH UP TO HIM…
So… bottom line… funny shit… but, as defender of the meek… you hurt me man! I’ll get over it… once I find that damn vodka I hid from the holiday guests.
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By the way...
I really liked the pick-up lines… I’m just too drunk (like in real life) to think of anything witty to post over there.
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Good enough!
Hey, I hear you! Just want everyone to play well, etc. I don’t think anyone wants anyone gone as much as to figure out what the hell will work…and hey, if I don’t joke, I don’t sleep! Gatorade and Excederin…best hangover medicine ever! (Before bed)
"Gervais...he looks danger in the fist with his face!" JPinVA
by Keith Quinn on Jan 27, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
Defending Blake Comeau
Did anybody do their homework? I wanted to add this note about BC. If you sort the 2004 draft class by points Blake (the 47th overall pick) is 20th… Chris Campoli (with 152 more games) and Mark Streit (with more 145 games and at an advanced age) are ahead of him. He has almost identical stats as BLAKE WHEELER
We have been so lost with 20-23 year olds over the past 15 years we never realize the 25-30 year old potential. We need to stop grabbing at the brass ring on somebody elses caroursel and start supporting our own.
What I saw last night, was a lot more of the same. I noted that he was just standing around during hte first non-goal, but I’m not sure how that played out in context… never saw him before the goal. It’s tough to know the context of each shift without being there. I did not a nice shot off of a bailey feed, and a lot of line changes within the game. He also had at least three loops, on one he lost the puck at the blueline, and another he made a bad feed to Hamonic… but Hammy madea great play to defend a near break away. Blake also had good time on the (very succesful of late) PK.
I think he can be more affective on the RW because of our lack of lefties that can play the RW and Righties in general.
This is why I’d like to see more Rhett until Hunter gets back. I don’t want ot upset the top two lines while they’ve been HIGHLY (In respect to general Islander productivity standards) productive.
I’d also like to note that Blake’s 30 points has him tied for second in a nest of FIRST LINERS. His -15 rating is also consistent with the first line,,,
I’ve said this before… blake has shown flashes of talent before, but has generally been discarded due to lack of experience or lack of ability to conform to a system that just wasn’t working. He has been a consistent contributer under the cap (circa dec 11). He has struggled, though, since KO/Frans have been back. I think that whole line has sufered because bailey is struggling with RW assignments. this is why I’d rather see Bailey on the fourth line as a center, and getting a RH RW up there to play with that line. Bailey between Martin and Colliton (with KO doubleshifting there as well) Would be the best fourth line this team has had since THE SIMON INCIDENT. Maybe better because every one of those guys are good PKers.
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I reckon' someone should defend BC
But it ain’t going to be me. I want him gone, gone, gone. I acknowledge that this borders on the irrational.
Well, I did see him having some good positioning on the first penalty kill...
… which was important, seeing as he couldn’t get off the ice when the Isles dumped the puck out. He was on for the first 90 seconds of the penalty kill, I think.
After that, every time I noticed him, it was for all the wrong reasons. I decided to let my dog eat my homework.
2011 is our year! Now if only seasons didn't span over two years.
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Jan 27, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
RHS
Is an AHL career type player. He has done well there, and thats where he will be playing next season, unless another team is foolish enough to give us ANYTHING for him in trade.
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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.
The victory justified the faith in coach Al Arbour who guided them from their second season to their first Stanley Cup seven seasons later. The Islanders would not be the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup, but they would be the only one capable of a dynasty.
1980-81
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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.
Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.
1981-82
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May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.
A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.
1982-83
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May 17, 1983: Not so fast, whipper-snappers. The Edmonton Oilers' steadily rising challenge for league supremacy took them all the way to the finals for the first time, where the New York Islanders summarily dispatched them in a four-game sweep. For the Islanders, the Dynasty was secured. For the Oilers, it was a powerful lesson in where talent ends and the demands of playoff hockey begin.
Four years, four Cups, 16 consecutive playoff series wins (a record that would grow to 19 until the rematch with the Oilers the following year). Mike Bossy scored 60 goals yet again, and Wayne Gretzky became acquainted with Billy Smith's crease.
