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The Strange Case of Dylan Reese

Milan Jurcina is hurt again, but it's no longer fair to play Dylan Reese as his replacement. It's no longer fair to his teammates, it's no longer fair to fans, it's no longer fair to anyone accidentally flipping through the channels and somehow landing on MSG+2 (The Deuce Plus!) and not fair for those Bruno haters. Last year Reese was a bit of a feel good story, having a decent showing for someone widely considered to be a career minor league talent.

Unfortunately the bell has struck midnight for this Cinderella. That bell was Reese's defensive partner (nearly 75% of all his shifts last year) Freddy Meyer IV moving on to Atlanta. The second bell is one of the most confusing decisions of the season: Reese has continually been paired with Bruno Gervais (nearly 60% of all of Reese's shifts) who is widely considered the worst Islander defender on the regular roster. It's not all Reese's fault, but he's not part of the solution. When he plays the Islanders are 5-11 with 3 of those wins coming in 5 games in which he was under 11 minutes of total ice time.

If it was an emergency situation like earlier this season, then everyone could swallow the pill for the time being. But that is no longer the case as both Mark Katic and Dustin Kohn are healthy, signed to NHL contracts and have minimal chances of being claimed off waivers. If the Islanders were truly fighting for a playoff spot and were worried about losing games due to learning on the job mistakes, well we wouldn't have traded Dwayne Roloson or James Wisniewski and Travis Hamonic wouldn't have won a long term spot.

Star-divide

Dylan Reese started his hockey career playing in the NAHL for two seasons with the Pittsburgh Forge. In 111 games he had 73 points, was 7th in points on the team his first season and 4th his second. You can hardly blame the Rangers for taking him in the 7th round of the 2003 draft. It should be noted that Reese currently has the second most points and NHL games played of the 2003 Rangers draft class. Despite racking up some good accolades at Harvard, such as three times leading all Crimson defenseman and being named captain and Team MVP during his senior season, the Rangers gave him all of a 10 game tryout with the Wolfpack before letting him go.

Reese went on to be signed by the San Antonio Rampage (the Coyotes affiliate) for the next two seasons. In 134 games for the Rampage he had 35 points (all but 2 were assists) and in neither season was he in the negative. During his second season he was one of three Rampage defenseman to put up a 20 assist season. Despite a good showing on a bad Rampage team he was allowed to become a free agent after his second year with the team.

Reese was then invited to the Blue Jackets camp as an unsigned invitee. Although he didn't make the team, he survived until final cuts and earned a two-way NHL contract. He was sent down to play for their AHL affiliate the Syracuse Crunch. For the Crunch he was the only player on the team with a double digit positive rating and was on track for another 20 assist season before being traded to the Islanders. Injuries and the trading of Andy Sutton led to Reese's baptism by fire in the NHL for the Isles after all of one game in Bridgeport.

This all raises the question though of what is wrong with Mark Katic? In 2009-10 Katic was considered to be the first guy to get the call before a timely injury led to Andrew MacDonald getting the call instead. Katic is in the interesting position of being the Islanders highest draft pick from 2007 (due to the Ryan Smyth trade) despite being taken in the 3rd round.

In Katic's final season in the OHL for Sarnia he was fourth on the team in points, behind Sound Tiger teammates Justin DiBenedetto and Matt Martin. Last season in Bridgeport he had 14 points in 48 games to finish in the middle of the pack pointswise. His minus seven was one of the worst +/- on the team, equal with Brendan Witt and Anton Klementyev although they both played fewer games.

This season though Katic seems to have turned the corner. He has 15 points in 38 games already to lead all BP defenseman and is a respectable -3 given the general struggles the team has been facing. You're never going to know how a guy will respond until you put him in the NHL. If Hamonic could come up and play well enough to earn a long term spot over Reese, then there's the possibility that Katic might respond well enough that he can take over the top depth spot in BP. If he is good enough then it only makes the team better and deeper.

Even if the Isles aren't keen on bringing up Katic early, there is still Dustin Kohn. The former 2nd round selection is the last remaining player from the 2005 draft. The Islanders selected him after a 40+ point season in the WHL for the Calgary Hitmen. The following year he was traded halfway through the season to the Wheat Kings and his production dropped slightly. In his final WHL season he had 50 points in 61 games helping to lead the Wheat Kings to the Division title and the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Although he hasn't reached the same heights offensively with Bridgeport, he has been a stable presence. A 12 point rookie season (+9 on the year) was followed by two 17 point seasons (+6 followed by a -5). With 9 points in 22 games this year Kohn is on pace to hit 17 points at around 40 games for the second season in a row. His -10 +/- is a bit worrying, but there is no one in BP with a positive rating currently and the offensive struggles aren't helping things.

Reese and Kohn had near identical runs last season filling in on the NHL level. Kohn played 22 games had 4 assists and a -2, Reese played 19 games had 2 goals and 2 assists for 4 points and a +3. Although Reese averaged more icetime a game by 3 and a half minutes, they had a near identical number of shifts with Reese at 351 and Kohn at 333. The one place they are radically different is in Corsi, Reese had a 1.86 Corsi rating compared to Kohn's -0.21. It is most likely due to Reese spending time almost exclusively with Freddy Meyer (whose Corsi rating was almost equal with Mark Streit's) while Kohn split time between Jack Hillen (41%) Meyer (39%) and Bruno Gervais (11%).

With Kohn's contract being up at the end of this season, there is no reason for him not to be given a chance to show what he can do before the Islanders have to make a decision on him. Even without Reese and his struggles, it seemed sensible to believe Kohn would get another shot before the year was done. Some of it is out of his control, as poorly timed injuries have kept him from being called up at times. But he was also surprisingly passed over early last year when MacDonald was given his short tryout that became a long stay.

The point is that there's no reason to be relying on Dylan Reese this season. It's gotten to the point where he's beginning to make flat out fatal mistakes for a team that needs to play almost perfect hockey to win. It's time to give up on a 26 year old former 7th round pick. Katic and Kohn are not just younger (21 and 23 respectively) but of a better draft pedigree (2nd and 3rd Round) and home grown Islanders. Reese is already making huge mistakes, I doubt it's possible for mistakes due to youth to be any worse. To put it in perspective, Reese's Corsi rating is the worst on the Islanders, more then .50 worse then Mike Mottau who at least was trying to play through injury.

(All defensive pairing ice time percentages from Dobber Hockey)

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I love that you created an entire post to this subject.....

I had originally posted this in the recap of last nights game but I will post it again under your well thought out post!

So i have been addicted to Lighthouse Hockey for about two months now. Living in Pennsylvania its literally my only reliable, accurate representation of my favorite team. Its awesome to hear so many knowledgeable Islanders fans talk shop ( as opposed to dealing with the office idiots who want to take pokes at me everytime the Penguins win. I guess they have been brainwashed into believing that it is their "Crosby" given right. Although i must say the office was mighty quiet after the mysterious night his streak ended.

My biggest gripe since the Roloson trade is why haven’t we seen Ty Wishart yet? I love that Garth is out making these moves for the "future," but I want to throw up everytime Dylan Reese steps on the ice. If this kid Wishart is as NHL ready as advertised lets see what he’s got. It’s not like he can perform any worse than Reese or Gervais. Although Bruno’s performance has improved as of late. Still a 6"5 hulking defenseman has got to be better than the dissapointing Dylan Reese.

by Lyknother on Jan 24, 2011 10

by Lyknother on Jan 24, 2011 2:21 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed

But we would have to take the Bruno-Reese pair off the ice completely. The team needs to bring up two D-men to replace these guys. I mean: you bring up Wishart to play with Bruno? NO! You got you get rid of both of them. Frankly I was please with Kohns play last year whe he was called up. He played is position well.

by Russel Ginart on Jan 24, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Like OMG

I was thinking that the Bruno/Reese combination needs to go. The last few games I noticed that pairing getting time on the PK. The times I really noticed them were the occasions when the Isles couldn’t buy a clear, or when Reese was scoring on DiPietro last game… I would like to see Wishart up on the team before the season ends, but hopefully he doesn’t get placed on the bottom pair and given 6 minutes per game.

by Sandmj83 on Jan 24, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I Disagree with This Post

I disagree with this post for many reasons. (1). The record in games that Reese has played is 5 wins 8 losses and 3 losses in OT which is 5-8-3 (not 5-11). The Islanders are 10-17-4 when Reese doesn’t play. The islanders are slightly better when Reese plays. (2.) Reese had the best Corsi record of all the Islander D last year. This was attributed in your article to playing with Freddy Meyer. Freddy Meyer was hardly playing before Reese showed up last year and is not even playing very much in Atlanta. Is he that good that he carried Reese last year? (3.) Reese has made two bad plays in the last two games which were very noticeable. Losing the puck at the end of a game that was already won and putting a puck in his own net. Other than this and a bad Nashville game, he has played fairly well. Steady and smart and winning the battles on the ice and nice outlet passes. He lacks a physical presence which the Islanders could use. ( 4.) Reese has also played fewer minutes than last year. It is difficult to make much of an impact with such few minutes. (5.) Lastly, he has been playing most of the time with Gervais. Both are right handers and their style does not mesh at all and Gervais is playing without any confidence. Reese is not a “star”. Put him together with either a defensive D or an adequate player, his smarts and skills are adequate to make an impact. (6.) Whether Reese is still better than alternatives is another story. But the article was a gross mischaracterization of his play and impact and potential. He is supposed to be a depth D. He isns’t supposed to be a 1-4D. But I believe if he is playing with a 1-4 D his contributions would be of the same magnitude or better than a HIllen, Hamonic, and Gervais.

by Dexter Stotz on Jan 26, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Hmmmm....1st and foremost. Reese isn't on par at all with Hillen, Hamonic, or Gervais. That's just silly.

Why is Reese bad:
-cost us 2 goals in the sabres game
-makes multiple bad decisions in over 90% of the nhl games he’s played this year
-Reese is a prospect/deep depth reserve at the age of 26
-Reese has as many own goals as pts this year
-Reese has the worst goalie save percentage among d-men on the team in sheltered minutes against THE EASIEST COMPETITION for d-men with gervais. It’s pathetic to think that the opposition’s worst can make him look so bad.

Last year, Reese was the 4th best corsi d-man on the team, not the best, and was paired with the best(Meyer) and playing against the easiest competition among the starters. And somehow Reese was the 4th best corsi d-man on the team when he had the worst goalie save percentage among d-men on the team. Reese isn’t good, and it’s been proven. He’s barely a servicable depth man playing against the worst competition possible. Reese is anything but a reliable depth d-man and his numbers prove it.

The Isles future looks brighter then most would think with these young core guys in place:
Tavares, Okposo, Bailey, Nielsen, Niederreiter, Grabner, MacDonald, Hamonic, and DeHaan.

by OzzyFan on Jan 26, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree wholeheartedly....

…he doesn’t deserve a roster spot. Give Katic a cup of coffee. I think it may still be early for Wishart though.

I feel bad for Reese, because I think he was pretty solid towards the end of last year, but enough is enough. The guy has been killing us.

by JPinNYC on Jan 24, 2011 2:30 PM EST reply actions  

…But that is no longer the case as both Mark Katic and Dustin Kohn are healthy, signed to NHL contracts and have minimal chances of being claimed off waivers….

–Dustin Kohn sat out of practice today, as did Mikko Koskinen. Pat Bingham said they both had upcoming appointments with doctors….
link

Sigh. We are so injured.

But its still not a free pass to subjecting the Islanders to continuous Reesification.
Id rather see Klementyev at this point.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jan 24, 2011 2:32 PM EST reply actions  

And on Klementyev

He puts up serious points for me in NHL 11…….so we got that going for us

by Lyknother on Jan 24, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

If I can make Riku Hahl a Hart Trophy winner in that game, then you know something is wrong with NHL 11

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by David Hanssen on Jan 24, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

That something is that it’s an EA game

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by Mark D on Jan 24, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

confirmed

I won a Cup in NHL ’06 behind the puckstopping power of Jason “Big Dog” Bacashihua.

He was backed up by Ray Emery.

I am not making any of that up.

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by mikb on Jan 24, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow. Rollin’ with Cash. Impressive.

Yeah, the biggest NHL bs season I ever had was on in NHL ‘09 with the Isles, my top producing line was Riku Hahl, Jesse Joensuu and Sean Bergenheim. I don’t know why but I always manage to turn Hahl into the best player no matter what version I’ve done seasons on. In this instance, Hahl won the Hart with ~120 points, ~80 of which were assists. My top pairing defensemen were Johan Halvardsson and Niklas A. Andersson, who for some reason was rated as an 81 overall player even though he was passed over in 3 NHL drafts and now plays in the Allsvenskan. Andersson won the Norris and the Conn Smythe. Yes, I raided a good portion of my team from the Elitserien.

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by David Hanssen on Jan 24, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Johan Halvardsson!

Ye cats.

Maybe Riku Hahl just never found the right coach in real life. You’re his muse, Hans.

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by mikb on Jan 24, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

You got your poor skating in my miserable decision making...

the only cup a Reese will be associated with in my mind…

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by JPinVA on Jan 24, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

His game is more in pieces

Reese’s Pieces

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by David Hanssen on Jan 24, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Pieces lost the coin flip...

But I do think it’s time for him to “phone home”

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by JPinVA on Jan 24, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

i deserve the primary assist

for the ET ref from the prev post, lol

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by bob l on Jan 25, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

First off

Kind of OT here on this discussion, there are other Nabby threads. Second, Osgood wasn’t just misquoted there, it was one of his teammates that said them and the Detroit beat writer misappropriated the quote to Osgood. He has vigorously denied that he said them and in fact has defended Snow picking up Nabokov. Check Katie Strang’s twitter feed if you want confirmation.

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by David Hanssen on Jan 24, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I felt the same way but.....

there was a release put out that it in fact wasn’t Osgood that made the comments that in fact it was someone else in the locker room…..Osgood went on the say he supports the Islanders and yada yada yada, all the politically correct things you would expect Osgood to say.

by Lyknother on Jan 24, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

He also made them retract the orginal article

And I respect that.

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by TheMetalChick on Jan 24, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Believe me I understand why youd be so mad seeing it

Unfortunately, even when things are retracted because they are completely false, in this day and age they have already been copied and reposted 3245782359782345908 times.

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by TheMetalChick on Jan 24, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Moot point if?

This Naby situation would not even be an issue if DP could stay healthy and was able to play 70% of the games. After all isn’t that what your #1 goalie is supposed to do? DP’s health or lack there of is the reason the team looked into claiming Naby. If Naby reports to the Isles its still putting a band aid on a gun shot wound. The team needs to know one way or the other if DP can or can’t be that #1 goalie 70% of the time by the start of next season.

by Russel Ginart on Jan 24, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Do #1 goalies really play 70% of games anymore?

Unless you NEED your starting goalie to carry you into the playoffs (Rangers) isn’t the common wisdom now to try to keep your starter between 50-60 starts tops so that he’s healthy for the playoffs?

I can see the Islanders still making the claim given Lawson’s NHL struggles and the injuries to the farm goalies.

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by Mark D on Jan 24, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed with your analysis. 60gms tops is the smart thing to do with your starting goalie.

The Isles future looks brighter then most would think with these young core guys in place:
Tavares, Okposo, Bailey, Nielsen, Niederreiter, Grabner, MacDonald, Hamonic, and DeHaan.

by OzzyFan on Jan 24, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

lol, just about exactly 57gms. Didn't even calculate that, just agreed with the argument.

The Isles future looks brighter then most would think with these young core guys in place:
Tavares, Okposo, Bailey, Nielsen, Niederreiter, Grabner, MacDonald, Hamonic, and DeHaan.

by OzzyFan on Jan 24, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I probably should have actually used my calculator rather then guestimating off of 41 games being half a season

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by Mark D on Jan 24, 2011 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

you're correct

But in the immortal words of Larry the Cucumber, “Sports math is different!” Most years, a majority of the starters reach 57 games. The past five seasons were 14, 17, 18, 14, 17, and this year 16 more are on pace. You also get a lot of near-misses, guys at 50+ games.

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by mikb on Jan 24, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

i forgot where i read it (hell it might have even been on LHH)

but something like since the lockout no workhorse goalie like guys who have started well over 60+ games have won the cup, the closest any of them came was nabokov last year and he didnt even win a conference final game, so its probably best that NO goalie gets more than 70% of the games, regardless of age experience or injury history

by Zhora on Jan 25, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure

Giguere played 56 for Anaheim in ‘07; Fleury played 62 for the Pens in ’09. That’s not excessively over, but it’s 70%+. Ward was a rookie in ’06 (Gerber played 60 for the ’Canes in the regular season before giving way in the playoffs). In the three years after that, Ward played 60, 69, and 67 games, so he clearly had workhorse potential.

The teams that split more evenly have one of three things going on:

1. injured starter (sigh)
2. no bona-fide number one (Washington, Chicago last year)
3. a young guy emerging (Boston last year, Chicago this year)

I’m not sure how much of that really matters. Teams have won both ways for a long time. The Isles consciously limited Smitty’s starts in the regular season to keep him as fresh as possible (he could have won 400 or more playing 65 games a year the way #1’s often do now). In the 90’s teams turned to the number-one guy a lot more (starting with Fuhr and Belfour and Brodeur), and usually because they were head-and-shoulders beyond their backups – why wouldn’t they? And those teams did have success, so it wasn’t necessarily an impediment.

(You may be remembering a comment of mine in which I talked about the sudden uptick in guys playing 70 or more games after expansion, when the schedules grew to 78 or more games.)

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by mikb on Jan 25, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Missing the point?

My point was NOT whether the 70% is or is not 60 games…………..my point is our #1 goalie is having problems starting two games in a row.

by Russel Ginart on Jan 25, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if Gordon thought...

“Hey, this reese kid is rally making Freddy look good…”
Okay.. maybe that was a theory last year, but it’s been proven incorrect… now let’s move on. Any one of the KKK, Wyshart or deal Schremp or Comeau for a top four defender… There are solutions in there somewhere, but they are not named Dylan Reese.
BTW: Webby, couldn’t have said it better myself… as a mater of fact I think I have… several times.

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by JPinVA on Jan 24, 2011 2:50 PM EST reply actions  

Comeau for Edler

They need the cap space we need a D who can score goals (8 so far).

You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?

by Anarcurt on Jan 24, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

If you go by just Reese’s corsi (although a small sample) he obviously looked good. The sad thing is that Meyer accepted a 2 way contract from Atlanta anyway, so I don’t see why we couldn’t have kept Meyer around.

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by Mark D on Jan 24, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm wondering if the organizational thinking is:

Perhaps based on waivers and the injury situation? Picture this:

  • You have three regular D out for the season, plus at least two prospect/replacement D in BPT who have been in and out with injuries.
  • You thought Reese could handle #7/8/9 fill-in role after last season (he is older, and he was a reliable guy in BPT). I mean Potvin love Freddy Meyer but it was still Freddy Meyer
  • You know/hope Jurcina will be back in the lineup in a couple of weeks
  • If you do something now, you have to subject Reese to waivers (I know everyone is down on him, but he does still carry the “older pro/depth guy” status so a desperate team might nab him)
  • If you lose Reese on waivers (unlikely, but possible), you’ve just compounded your organizational D depth problem — and remember Hamonic is up here too, and possibly overtaxed himself — only on top of that you…
  • … still don’t know whether Reese’s AHL replacements will make you any better in the 1-3 weeks before Jurcina comes back

That’s the best I can come up with while trying to game-sim this situation. (I’d add D-men are rarely as good or as bad as we make them out to be based on 2-4 week stretches, but I know that’s a losing argument with recent events.)

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by Dominik on Jan 24, 2011 3:24 PM EST reply actions  

I equate losing Reese on waivers...

… with losing RDP to waivers… hey… I got the 6 numbers, but i missed the powerball… oh wait that’s a 42… We’re rich, we’re rich….
Why would anybody pick Dylan Reese off of waivers unless he is the father of their daughter’s love child and you want to know where he is at all times.

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by JPinVA on Jan 24, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I knew that was coming

But he was acquired for something last year and a look at the waiver wire recently hasn’t shown any impressive (and cheap) defensemen come through.

Or put it this way: If another GM says, “You’re telling me if I put this guy with Bruno Gervais it’s bad, but if I put him with Freddy Meyer I can get by? How long did you say our righty shot is out for? Do it.”

Of course, now that I pretzel all that, Reese cleared waivers recently, didn’t he? He may only have a few games left before they can send him down without exposing him again. Hmmm…maybe the move is closer than we think.

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by Dominik on Jan 24, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Wasn’t Reese acquired with Mike Radja for the immortal Greg Moore? Greg more is technically something, but not really. That makes the Bjorn Melin and Ben Guite for Dave Roche trade seem like it was a major dealing.

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by David Hanssen on Jan 24, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm getting Mets history flashbacks

The immortal Harry Chiti… the only man in sports history traded for himself.

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by mikb on Jan 24, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

The Dave Roche trades are my #1 most obscure useless trades by Milbury.

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by Mark D on Jan 24, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Well at the time it was all about getting Bridgeport far in the playoffs and Dave Roche was a very good AHL scorer. That Bridgeport team (2001-2002) was stacked with prospects they wanted to get as much playoff experience as possible with DiPietro, Torres, Mezei, Kolnik and the 2001-2002 version of Justin DiBenedetto, Justin Mapletoft. The chance of Melin coming over and making an impact was so little it was worth giving him up for a run to the Calder Cup finals to help those guys development.

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by David Hanssen on Jan 24, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

But he traded Roche away and then traded for him back 2 weeks later

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by Mark D on Jan 24, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

It was 3 months and the first trade got us Jim Cummins.

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by David Hanssen on Jan 24, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

see sarcasm font.

Sarcasm is my permanent font.

by Hockey1919 on Jan 25, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Even our yet to be drafted D-Men are injured.

Darren Dreger tweeted that Larsson has not played since the WJC and will be out several more weeks with a groin injury.

You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?

by Anarcurt on Jan 24, 2011 4:49 PM EST reply actions  

One thing about the waivers...

Sorry if someone else already brought this up above, but my eyes are buggin’ out from little sleep last night. Webby mentions that Katic and Kohn would likely not be claimed off waivers if they were called up. Aside from the fact that I had no idea they would even have to go through waivers, I believe there’s one team out there who might claim them: Detroit. I’m sure that they wouldn’t mind getting a bit of revenge on the Isles for snatching up Nabokov. Just sayin’.

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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Jan 24, 2011 6:36 PM EST reply actions  

If they claimed Kohn it would put them over a cap

They are that close. He would make $715k and they have room for $575k. That’s why Nabokov signed for $570k….that’s the most they could pay him. They would have to play him in the NHL as well…could not send him down without waivers in which we have the first claim to bring him back.

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by Anarcurt on Jan 24, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow. No room for error there, huh?

That’s nuts. Well, at least it’s not a worry.

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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Jan 24, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I originally wrote that neither would have to go through Waivers, but I double checked and Kohn went through waivers after not making the team out of camp. Katic still wouldn’t have to go through waivers because he doesn’t have enough NHL games or time as a professional.

I don’t think Detroit would be mad at us anyway considering 5 other teams put in claims on Nabokov.

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by Mark D on Jan 24, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah, I see. It’s still hilarious to see how close to the cap teams go. Nobody’s that close to the cap in the NFL.

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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Jan 24, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

NFL contracts aren’t guaranteed

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by Mark D on Jan 24, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed! Thanks for this article. I'm sure we are all feeling this way about reese and the isles decisions with him. And we all know how DP feels about reese after the own goal yesterday on him. lol

The Isles future looks brighter then most would think with these young core guys in place:
Tavares, Okposo, Bailey, Nielsen, Niederreiter, Grabner, MacDonald, Hamonic, and DeHaan.

by OzzyFan on Jan 24, 2011 6:45 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, DP wants to make sure he keeps the lead in Islander own-goals. How dare Reese challenge his supremacy?!?!

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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Jan 24, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

lol, Did anyone else notice right after that goal goes in DP gives him the hard stare down. I was like, Reese is going to get a mouthful from DP later.

The Isles future looks brighter then most would think with these young core guys in place:
Tavares, Okposo, Bailey, Nielsen, Niederreiter, Grabner, MacDonald, Hamonic, and DeHaan.

by OzzyFan on Jan 24, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't understand this

the reason Reese is with the team is simple – injuries

he’s the 10th D-man at best in the system (Gervais would be 9th, after Streit, A-Mac, Hamonic, Jurcina, Mottau, Martinek, Hillen & Eaton), and if you are the 10th D-man on a team with injuries, sometimes you end up playing

Reese has absolutely identical numbers to Kohn at Bpt this year so far as games played, goals & assists and while Kohn might be a touch better, its not by much, and Kohn has been hurt quite a bit the last few weeks – and no one else under contract is ahead of Reese

Wishart simply isn’t ready – O’Neill is arguably better, but he’s not under contract, Katic is small for the NHL, Klementyev is young though has prospects still

anyway….

by Cary K on Jan 24, 2011 11:34 PM EST reply actions  

At this point Id rather put some gear back on Dean Chynoweth.

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by TheMetalChick on Jan 25, 2011 12:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Reese is making huge mistakes

I can’t see how Kohn/Katic can do that much worse. Obviously Kohn’s now hurt but I didn’t know that when I wrote this.

I can see the argument that Reese with his age/experince is a better fit for a team trying to be competitive.

But the errors and fatal mistakes are coming at a high level, I no longer see how Kohn or Katic can really be that much worse then Reese.

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by Mark D on Jan 25, 2011 2:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I can't help try to parallel the Mets and the Islanders...

to me, a big part of the Mets failures the last year were they gave over 1000 ABs to Alex Cora, Ruben Tejada, Jeff Francoeur. They were getting below replacement-level play from a third of their lineup. If they had even replacement level talent there you’d be looking at team w/ 83-85 wins as opposed to 78 wins.

I feel the same about the Isles. Before the season I felt if they could replace Gervais, Park, Sim, Tambo and a couple of others with even NHL average players, plus further development of some key people (Bailey, KO, JT) they could’ve contended this year for a playoff spot. I felt that was the next step of the rebuild.

Injuries have derailed that plan, but to me the sooner you get rid of the ‘Replacement Level Killers’ the better. I would say Reese fits this group. I mean at this point, he COULD develop into an average NHL defenseman. And while I don’t think that’s likely I think if it does happen, it’s still not that hard to replace.

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by Pauly C on Jan 25, 2011 7:07 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

You summed it up perfectly
I think if it does happen, it’s still not that hard to replace.

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by Mark D on Jan 25, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

seconded

“Replacement player” by definition means “easily available anywhere.” You are almost always better off rolling the dice with a younger guy who could exceed that performance, either because they’re better than anticipated, or even through sheer dumb luck.

Of course, until you see more of a player it’s hard to tell for sure where luck ends. Turns out that Reese may have just gotten hugely lucky last year, and that FMIV was somewhat better than anticipated, really papering over anything Reese was doing wrong. This is where seeing the games in person helps along with pure numbers – a pro scout watching the Isles would be able to tell whether it was Freddy or Reese making the good plays.

(I keep thinking back to one of my old league commissioners and his √ vs. x system – how many checks, how many x’s, not just points and plus/minus. The guy was on to something. Reese is starting to remind me of Cowboy X from the old Sesame Street segment. “And the townspeople lived happily ever after, because they weren’t very bright.”)

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by mikb on Jan 25, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Dylan Reese #42

I disagree with this post for many reasons. (1). The record in games that Reese has played is 5 wins 8 losses and 3 losses in OT which is 5-8-3 (not 5-11). The Islanders are 10-17-4 when Reese doesn’t play. The islanders are slightly better when Reese plays. (2.) Reese had the best Corsi record of all the Islander D last year. This was attributed in your article to playing with Freddy Meyer. Freddy Meyer was hardly playing before Reese showed up last year and is not even playing very much in Atlanta. Is he that good that he carried Reese last year? (3.) Reese has made two bad plays in the last two games which were very noticeable. Losing the puck at the end of a game that was already won and putting a puck in his own net. Other than this and a bad Nashville game, he has played fairly well. Steady and smart and winning the battles on the ice and nice outlet passes. He lacks a physical presence which the Islanders could use. ( 4.) Reese has also played fewer minutes than last year. It is difficult to make much of an impact with such few minutes. (5.) Lastly, he has been playing most of the time with Gervais. Both are right handers and their style does not mesh at all and Gervais is playing without any confidence. Reese is not a “star”. Put him together with either a defensive D or an adequate player, his smarts and skills are adequate to make an impact. (6.) Whether Reese is still better than alternatives is another story. But the article was a gross mischaracterization of his play and impact and potential. He is supposed to be a depth D. He isns’t supposed to be a 1-4D. But I believe if he is playing with a 1-4 D his contributions would be of the same magnitude or better than a HIllen, Hamonic, and Gervais.

by Dexter Stotz on Jan 26, 2011 11:18 AM EST reply actions  

Read my reply above. You have a number of misinformation things in your post.

And now Reese has 10 regulation losses under him. So make that record 5-10-3. And if you really think Reese’s 13min/gm makes a big difference on how the team plays positively as a whole, I’d rethink your argument.

The Isles future looks brighter then most would think with these young core guys in place:
Tavares, Okposo, Bailey, Nielsen, Niederreiter, Grabner, MacDonald, Hamonic, and DeHaan.

by OzzyFan on Jan 26, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Well it's about time we had a fully dissenting view on this

Welcome. I notice you joined for this post and are a Pittsburgh fan — do you have experience watching Reese at other levels, where you could give us insight into his play?

I’m not the author of this article, but I do think Reese’s play has been objectively bad this year — even outside of the noteworthy mistakes that have people up in arms. Now the question is, why? I think you may be on to something in terms of the righty-righty, iffy-iffy Reese-Gervais pairing. But surely if you think that’s a big factor, then you can buy that Meyer was a factor in his success last year?

And if you like Corsi, then there’s a pretty clear indicator that Reese’s Corsi was much higher with Meyer than with other partners last year.

I was a fan of Reese’s last year (liked him much more than Kohn, in fact), so I was troubled by his performance this year. And I agree he’s supposed to be a depth D. But of course when depth D aren’t getting it done, it leads everyone to ask why, and to look for solutions.

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by Dominik on Jan 27, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

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