The Ty Wishart files; What trading Dwayne Roloson means
by Dominik on Jan 2, 2011 4:39 AM EST
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For the second time in a week, the Islanders jolted fans with a trade of a pending unrestricted free agent a little sooner than expected. While James Wisniewski headed out for the conventional 2nd-round pick (#50) plus possibly a 5th, Dwayne Roloson was traded to Tampa Bay for something a little more tangible: Ty Wishart, a once-touted first-round pick who should be close to NHL-ready.
The deal changes how we sketch the Islanders' future blueline depth chart (Wishart, who reports to AHL Bridgeport, immediately becomes the Sound Tigers' 2nd-leading scorer), and it also accelerates the next important long-term evaluation process for this season: Testing Rick DiPietro's form and durability, and Nathan Lawson's ability to be an NHLer.
If there wasn't much doubt Wisniewski would be moving on at some point this season, there was even less doubt the 41-year-old Roloson would move provided the Isles could find a taker willing to pay. They found one in the Lightning, whose goalie tandem of Dan Ellis and Mike Smith has compiled a weaker save percentage than DiPietro despite playing behind the Southeast Division's leading team. [Edit: Check this From the Rink post from a few weeks back for a look at how badly the Lightning could use a better goalie.]
Lawson, meanwhile, was seen as a likely emergency call-up and ultimate replacement whenever Roloson was dealt. He got an emergency callup before the roster freeze -- a move that puzzled some, and had many speculating a trade was imminent. That callup was made possible by DiPietro hitting IR with minor knee swelling: Now, in retrospect, we either know just how minor that knee swelling was, or (this is optimistic) DiPietro's knee responded well enough and quickly enough to make the Isles think it will become a lesser and lesser problem as time goes on.
In any case, with a .888 save percentage DiPietro now has the second half of the season to show he can regain #1 durability (and #1 form, if you don't think he's improved since a few early-season routs), while Lawson at age 27 has the chance to show he can be full-time backup or 1B. Below him, young Kevin Poulin continues to excel and excite.
The Ty Wishart Files
In contrast to the Wiz deal, which elicited mixed reaction, I was surprised by the almost entirely positive initial reaction here to the Wishart deal. I suspect part of that is because Wishart is a tangible asset -- one very close to being realized -- as opposed to the unknown-plus-three-years that a draft pick represents.
What does Wishart represent for the Isles? Let's go to the Google...
As mentioned, his 18 points puts him behind only Rhett Rakhshani on his new team, though he compiled those points on a high-scoring Norfolk squad. Dylan Reese is with the Islanders on their current road trip (and Lawson now will join him), but it wouldn't be a stretch to see Wishart soon finding himself in that first call-up role.
For the long term, though -- and presumably the Isles wouldn't have dealt Roloson for someone they don't see in their long-term plans -- Wishart adds size (6'4", 222 lbs) the Islanders didn't have in their current blueline pipeline. While Travis Hamonic is here now, Calvin De Haan might be here next year or the year following, and Matt Donovan is still a few years away, Wishart at age 22 slips in as someone who might grab a spot in that timeline.
As they were for Wiz, the Islanders are Wishart's third NHL club. He arrived in Tampa Bay along with Matt Carle as part of the Dan Boyle deal. In 2006 the Sharks traded up to draft him 16th overall (which Michael Fornabaio points out, was a deal that relates to the pick the Isles got from Montreal for Wisniewski).
He was the second defenseman drafted in 2006. (Erik Johnson was first.) Scouts at the time called him "dependable as a Maytag" and some compared him to Eric Brewer, although at least one said Brewer was a better skater.
He's ripe. This past fall was Wishart's fifth pro camp. He's developed on others' watch, so the Isles get to evaluate him more closely under their own watch and likely take him out of the oven pretty soon. He's said to be close to NHL-ready, and he was blocked by several older D-men in Tampa Bay. That may have implications for other pending free agents Radek Martinek, Milan Jurcina, Bruno Gervais and Jack Hillen.
He's an RFA this summer. Speaking of free agents, Wishart is in the final year of his three-year entry level contract (ELC) that carries a $1.22 million cap hit at the NHL level but pays him $62,500 at the AHL level. His base NHL salary this year is $765,000, so he'll need to be offered at least that plus a nominal raise in a qualifying offer to retain his rights this coming summer.
He's played only 5 NHL games. The only one of the five -- all in February 2009 -- in which he received meaningful ice time, he was one of two Lightning players to avoid a negative Corsi. (That doesn't really mean anything, but it was fun to look up.)
About that Cap...Floor
OMG! Does this trade drop the Isles below the salary cap floor? No. Remember that cap hits are compiled cumulatively over the course of the season (so even though Wiz and Roloson are gone, their pro-rated salary from when they were Islanders counts towards the cap -- about $1.4 million for Wiz and $1.16 million for Rollie). So now according to CapGeek, their projected actual spending drops to about $40 million, but potential bonuses add another $5 million to that.
A New Approach by Snow?
Garth Snow just pulled the trigger on two deals by New Year's Day. Is this a new approach from the GM, after trade deadlines past have left a few Isles expiring assets unmoved? Was he determined to get something good (and for Snow, it seems "good" almost always starts with a 2nd-round pick) and so started the auction early? Or was it easier to do these earlier because of compensation offered, or because each of these deals has depth-chart-evaluation implications that need to be sorted over the rest of the year rather than over the final month and a half?
These questions intrigue because as mentioned, the Islanders have other pending free agents who could be dealt -- though none as attractive as Roloson or Wiz, unless Matt Moulson or arguably Radek Martinek are not in future plans.
Aside from that, I know some people tire of the future talk -- but this is another example of Snow's steady, long-term strategy to rebuild this franchise's depth: You sign guys like Roloson and Wiz (cheap trade) who have value but need new homes, and a year or two later you cash them and their desire for another contract in. They may not fit your long-term plan, but the two of you have temporary mutual short-term interests, and each benefits from the brief marriage.
Farewell, Rollie
Dwayne Roloson should do well in Tampa Bay; he doesn't need to do much to be an instant upgrade on that team's goaltending. (insert #danellisproblems here). Since arriving on Long Island, Roloson did nothing but provide stability and prove the Oilers wrong for thinking he didn't have two years left in him. As a bonus, his no-B.S. demeanor was refreshing in interviews. In just 1.5 seasons, he turned in a number of memorable, game-stealing performances. He'll be missed, as will his mask.
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what esle was on the table ?…..what other teams offered what ?…….could snow have gotten more ?
I heard Washington
Offered 22 Draft Picks, but Snow was too smart to fall for that.
It’s hard to doubt that Snow got the best package for DP. Remember last season teams that “Were desperate for goaltending” like Philly, Chicago and Washington didn’t make any move to upgrade in Net before the trade deadline. The level of TB’s desperation for a solid Goalie can not be understated, both Dan Ellis AND Mike Smith are worse in SV% then DP.
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I'm with the rebuild but-
At this point I’m tired of traded players for picks. I haven’t given up on this season yet; However, if we are going to trade someone away at this point then we should probably try to get another player back in return. I am glad that at the very least we FINALLY traded something for a defenseman that could be a big role in the future. My defenseman prayers have been answered.
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Teams that are in contention have no incentive to trade currently valuable players.
They are willing to sacrifice some future value to make the current team better and young teams that are out of contention have the opposite incentives. They’ll sacrifice some current value for future value. Expecting Garth to get players that are going to help the team now is unrealistic.
by TMS on Jan 2, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I was going to do an article
But it’s pretty useless now since it’s ride out DP or Die time. DP has actually bounced back really well since his bad start, and funny enough his improvement in SV% seems to go along with Cap taking over the team. For those who are interested here’s his game by game SV%
I should note his one poor cappy game (769%) was the Rangers game in which the puck had a way of bouncing off Islanders and into the net.
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by Mark D on Jan 2, 2011 6:52 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
btw
I wonder if this is a sign of Martineks long term health.
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Nice. Thanks for the breakdown.
John Tavares=The Franchise, The Future, and still only 20yrs old, SO GIVE HIM SOME F**KING TIME TO MATURE CRITICS! Not everyone is Wayne Gretzky(although Tavares did break some of his records....tee hee)
Some thoughts......
…..as I mentioned in the previous thread of Anacurt’s, depending upon how legitimate deHaan reveals himself to be as an offensive threat that can indeed quarterback the power play either next to or in place of Streit (depending upon how well Mark bounces back from his injury – can’t imagine he hasn’t been keeping himself conditioned all along, though, knowing his work ethic) I feel Larsson (if we DO end up in a position to draft him) shouldn’t be our primary target; we really need to add offensive power up FRONT before anything else…..speaking of which, think it’s safe to say Hunter is not long for LI if the NTC (?) can be waived somehow…..
As for Jurcina, I am firmly in the ’DON’T trade him’ camp, Martinek, to a slightly lesser degree; we may be in a position to claim the most enviable defense corps in the entire league not long from now – both Gervais and Hillen are playing markedly better as of late and may be good pieces for other teams, bring back some value (honestly, I’d rather not trade either of them either, truth be known – Jack may yet be a bigger source of goals and a reliable second-team PP pointman once his confidence returns in full…..)
A cautionary note: we also may need to reassess our goaltender situation come draft time, believe it or not; Koskinen has revealed himself to be something of a question mark (would really like to see a thread investigating the organization’s analysis of his performance as well as a blog consensus) and despite my optimism,. others here aren’t entirely sold on Nilsson despite my good feeling about him – this, of course, all depends upon what happens with DP going forward…..
I wrote this in the other thread, but will post it here to see if it gets hits:
De Haan hasn’t panned out as most had hoped. His slapper isn’t up to par, his playing weight is going to be 180-190lbs, and his progression in juniors hasn’t made him look like a future #1 d-man. Not his fault being overdrafted, but his future outlook imo is a 30-40pts producing ~#3 d-man. Not a #1 d-man that will be streit’s successor. De Haan is a-mac with less physicality and more offense. He looks good, but in no way a future #1 d-man. And no one in the isles system right now looks close to be able to fill streit’s role.
Thus leading to my belief that passing on larsson would be a stupid move. Larsson has been touted as a future good-great no question #1 pts producing big d-man. A perfect successor to streit, whom is now 33yrs old and going to be coming off shoulder surgery ending this/going into next year. Perfect pick: young #1 d-man that can be tutored by streit and be his successor. It’s a lot harder to sign, draft, or trade for a no question #1 d-man then it is to get a top 6 forward. Thus making drafting larsson a no brainer, and the best option, even with the #1 pick.
Agree about keeping Jurcina. Wouldn’t mind if marti stays or goes based on injury history.
John Tavares=The Franchise, The Future, and still only 20yrs old, SO GIVE HIM SOME F**KING TIME TO MATURE CRITICS! Not everyone is Wayne Gretzky(although Tavares did break some of his records....tee hee)
If you go
Best player available all the time, you will always be in good shape. If you have a lot of D you deal away some of your strength. If he’s around and the best player available, take him. Most GMs follow this philosophy because realistically otherwise you may be trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. For example, if there is a need for a LW and in the draft there is a significant drop-off in talent of the currently available player, but there is a top flight center, you take the center. Chances are, somebody was looking at him, and will either trade you for the pick rights, the player, or you can develop him for later use/trade.
Either way, I think Snow goes with who he thinks is the best player…not the remaining RW because that is a current team need.
"Gervais...he looks danger in the fist with his face!" JPinVA
I see, who would you say is the best player available out of the main 3(Larsson,Landeskog,Couturier)? If we get the #1.
John Tavares=The Franchise, The Future, and still only 20yrs old, SO GIVE HIM SOME F**KING TIME TO MATURE CRITICS! Not everyone is Wayne Gretzky(although Tavares did break some of his records....tee hee)
Thus far, it sounds like Larsson
But i admittedly don’t track prospects well. It also sounds like he may not be having the best WJCs either, and Landeskog got hurt right? I can probably speculate better toward season end/draft time, but Snow has people…I don’t have people…dammit, I need some people! The beauty is we have time, picks, and opportunities.
"Gervais...he looks danger in the fist with his face!" JPinVA
lol. Yeah, I think landeskog is still hurt.
John Tavares=The Franchise, The Future, and still only 20yrs old, SO GIVE HIM SOME F**KING TIME TO MATURE CRITICS! Not everyone is Wayne Gretzky(although Tavares did break some of his records....tee hee)
But i admittedly don’t track prospects well.
And it has nothing to do with a restraining order, I’m sure.
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"Gervais...he looks danger in the fist with his face!" JPinVA
I mean
Most of these amateur rinks, they don’t have a spot where you can be 500 feet from the ice.
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It's so stupid...i mean,
Felons love hockey too.
God the off color examples I could use, but will refrain from to avoid group cringing!
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 3, 2011 4:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
What about the felons that are deemed armed and dangerous?
Say that felon is having a very bad day that end with him going to watch his favorite hockey team, and they get blown out. That could end with some problems. No?
John Tavares=The Franchise, The Future, and still only 20yrs old, SO GIVE HIM SOME F**KING TIME TO MATURE CRITICS! Not everyone is Wayne Gretzky(although Tavares did break some of his records....tee hee)
DeHaan has moved up to the PP
As of last night’s game it looked like DeHaan had moved unto the first unit of Canada’s PP, which wasn’t the case to start the tournament so he’s shown some progression. He’s never going to be a big physical defensemen or the boomig shot from the point, but that wasn’t the intent and why I see they brought in Wishart. He’s going to need to be able to make the first pass and lead the transition so in that may he is similar tot Streit who isn’t a big shot, banging defender. As for adding a Larsson type, I’m alwasy in favor of bringing in top end defensemen because I tryul beleive they are harder to find than 30 goal scorers.
I agree completely about larsson.
And that’s thing that worries me about our team’s future at the moment. DeHaan was drafted to be a great top defenseman, and is panning out to be a smart 2-way but undersized d-man with solid passing skills and a weak shot. He’s likely a perfect compliment point man to a pp qb, but he is no streit and isn’t a future #1. I wanted more, but we will have to live with what we get. This makes larsson a top draft priority imo. No future #1 d-man + our free agency problems and streit being 33yrs old coming off of shoulder surgery could be the start of a problem that can grow vastly overtime.
John Tavares=The Franchise, The Future, and still only 20yrs old, SO GIVE HIM SOME F**KING TIME TO MATURE CRITICS! Not everyone is Wayne Gretzky(although Tavares did break some of his records....tee hee)
The Isles are taking Wiz's all over the place
I like this for the new kid, but it is definitely a scary case if DP swelleth. We actually don’t have goalie depth now. Should DP go down, BPT will only have one G on the roster, and I’m not interested in Nabokov at all. I will miss Roloson, he played well under the circumstances and seemes to be a quality veteran presence on our team. Stable and reliable, Tampa should be an improved team immediately…might even contend for a cup. I’d rather not trade anyone else right now (unless someone dazzles us for DP)…I like Jurcina right now, Martinkek…well maybe due to the health stuff, but really I’d like to unload Mottau (out for season and stunk) and Hunter (out for season, will probably lose a step and seems to not have a spot anymore) we can’t.
#danellisproblems: Depth Charts.
"Gervais...he looks danger in the fist with his face!" JPinVA
Goalie Depth
Snow needed to play this risky move w/r/t depth at goalie. Bridgeport’s use of three goaltenders is far worse for the development of the Islanders youngsters than the risk of DP getting injured and having Lawson start the majority of games left in the season. Here is why:
1.DP needs to prove he can be a #1 starter and only by starting the majority of games can he do that.
2.Lawson needs to become the backup in Long Island in order to prove his contract’s worth and his viability in the NHL, or be relegated to AHL goalie.
3.Poulin and Koskinen need to split time in BPT. Their development is tantamount and having Poulin sit games when he is so hot, or Koskinen not get ice time because of a nothing 27 yr old is silly.
Sure I don’t want to be in a Yann Danis position again (flat on my back with ice being sprayed into my mask as the red light goes on behind me), but the season is already lost and it is better to have the kids prove something.
HEY, Jonsie - Happy New Year!
I guess the basic question posed is, how do Koskinen and Nilsson compare in a year’s time? Again, I think Lawson’s gonna surprise a lot of people on this blog in the full-on back-up role…..
Agree on 2 & 3
But already certain that 1 isn’t really a possibility…He just swelled up last week (unless that was a BS thing to see what they had in Lawson and give Rollie a chance to play his ass off). I feel like (with no basis for proof) as soon as we get this going, DP will hurt himself…and not bad enough to retire.
"Gervais...he looks danger in the fist with his face!" JPinVA
DP more than a 4.5 million $ paperweight?
But already certain that 1 isn’t really a possibility…He just swelled up last week… as soon as we get this going, DP will hurt himself…and not bad enough to retire.
Sure, I can see the reasonable concern, and many ‘round here have already decided that he isn’t a #1; but that said, he is getting paid lots of cash over many years, and this will be his first real test as a starter.
He has been away from hockey for two full years, so I don’t think any one can really tell what he will be until after this season and really, not until next training camp.
For better or worse, the Isles are tied to DP as their #1 until he does in fact hurt himself enough to retire.
DP's looked great late. That minor swelling is a foot note, but being out a couple games and 1wk is no reason to throw him under the bus.
Any nhl starter is allowed to miss a couple games from an injury or soreness. Point is, DP has looked great lately and we all know if DP stays in the net for most of a game, plays the puck smartly when he is out, and stays healthy, he is a good starting goalie in the nhl. Only thing is that he needs to stay healthy and on his game(and in the net most of the time). He definitely has the abilities, just has to stay healthy and show he can be a workhorse.
John Tavares=The Franchise, The Future, and still only 20yrs old, SO GIVE HIM SOME F**KING TIME TO MATURE CRITICS! Not everyone is Wayne Gretzky(although Tavares did break some of his records....tee hee)
What bus?
There isn’t really any point in going through the DP stuff again, but to not be a little concerned that he just had to go on IR because he had a recurrence of the recurrence of the recurrence of the swelling that recurs in his surgically repaired knee..(which incidentally, knocked him out of last season) is a valid concern in my book. Especially since he should see an uptick in playing time. I’m not even talking about crease or out of net play…I’m concerned about health, and then if his health is poor, what the big club and BPT will do for goaltending.
"Gervais...he looks danger in the fist with his face!" JPinVA
I know, but you were kind of throwing him under the bus by saying that your "already certain that 1 really isn't a possibility",
meaning DP will never or doesn’t have a #1 goalie health/abilities in him anymore. You went more in depth in this post and stated, that your going off his health issues and not his play, that’s a fair argument, but it’s still throwing him under the bus saying he will never be a #1 goalie again given how far he has come from his rehab and how well he has played at points and recently after coming back from “knee swelling”(no matter how bad or light it could have been for him to miss a week). It’s not fair to write him off, or in my words: throw him under the bus because of a 1, 1 week knee swelling hiatus and a 2, rough playing streak early in the season. That’s all. He still has the abilities and potential to stay healthy and be a #1 goalie imo, whether that will happen we will see. But it’s too early to write him off.
John Tavares=The Franchise, The Future, and still only 20yrs old, SO GIVE HIM SOME F**KING TIME TO MATURE CRITICS! Not everyone is Wayne Gretzky(although Tavares did break some of his records....tee hee)
No, absolutely not written off,
but there should be an insurance plan…this is professional sports. I personally don’t think he can handle #1 minutes right now. It will be interesting to see the breakdown of starts. But I don’t think there is anyone here that would be thinking that they would be comfortable with DP getting 70% of the starts given health, and does anyone want Lawson starting 50% of the games? And also, going back to my original posting, I said this
I’d rather not trade anyone else right now (unless someone dazzles us for DP)and was concerned about our depth if DP get’s injured…that’s all. I think everyone could agree here that if we got just about anything for DP, he’d be gone next week right? No matter how well he plays, I don’t think anyone wants another 11 years.
Now it’s in sarcasm font!
"Gervais...he looks danger in the fist with his face!" JPinVA
DP will get 70% of the starts for the rest of the season whether DP can take them or not.
This is a test to DP’s play and DP’s health. Everyone in the organization is worried about DP’s health and game, that goes without question. Obviously no one wants a goalie signed long term and coming off of multiple leg surgeries. But say a year from now, DP goes full circle: halfway through next season he throws up: 30starts, 16 wins, .916-save percentage, 3/4 shutouts, and 1wk to no time missed. Would you then not be happy about him being our starting goalie then?(obviously the length of the contract is rough, but I’d be happy as hell with DP healthy and playing that well). Everyone remembers the surgeries, but a lot of people forget pre-injuries he was a stable 60gm+ good solid nhl starting goalie.
And now I see you’re worried, but not writing him off, that’s vompletey fair.
John Tavares=The Franchise, The Future, and still only 20yrs old, SO GIVE HIM SOME F**KING TIME TO MATURE CRITICS! Not everyone is Wayne Gretzky(although Tavares did break some of his records....tee hee)
Would be thrilled
Would like the sv% a bit higher, but thrilled. All I really want is a guy who is reliable, can stay on the ice, and win games…I don’t care if it’s DP or a 75 year old widow!
"Gervais...he looks danger in the fist with his face!" JPinVA
They can always give Manny Legace a call
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
Good point, finding a backup or marginal nhl starting goalie won't be hard if dp goes down completley. And the season is gone playoffs wise anyway, so no loss.
John Tavares=The Franchise, The Future, and still only 20yrs old, SO GIVE HIM SOME F**KING TIME TO MATURE CRITICS! Not everyone is Wayne Gretzky(although Tavares did break some of his records....tee hee)
I'm gonna play 'devil's advocate' for Mottau, but.....
…..while he wasn’t given much time to establish himself at all on LI, he wasn’t ever going to be a distinguished defenseman either; merely a stopgap measure. Can he, similar to Eaton, stabilize his game next season? If the severity of his injury is as great as suggested, I’d say, ‘no’ and he may never bounce back to any degree of effectiveness…..
I can't see him hitting our ice at all
If we have Streit, keep Jurcina, get this new kid going, Martinek is healthy (not traded and kept because he’s good and for depth), Amac and Hamonic aren’t going anywhere for a long time, and we still have CDH, and we may end up drafting Larsson.
I’ll bet we dump Eaton soon too now that I think about it…he’s looked much better lately. He’s the type that could be pretty key for a cup run for some people. @ He has that “cup experience” you know.@
"Gervais...he looks danger in the fist with his face!" JPinVA
Now the sarcasm font is out of control
I worked in another thread when I didn’t want it to, and here, not so much…I don’t have my powers under control yet. Will have to get back to Dagobah to complete my training.
"Gervais...he looks danger in the fist with his face!" JPinVA
Problem is,
Eaton’s got even more valuable experience than Streit (limited though it may be in some people’s estimation) and I’m not ready to rule out the possibility that he has been every bit as much a factor in this team’s resurgence as Jurcina, AMac and Hamonic – we’ve gotta be mindful about being too quick to let go such positive influences…..
Absolutely
But minute munching vet who can possibly PK with that experience may land you something pretty nice. I say keep him though, but there is going to be a logjam here next year that has to get sorted out.
"Gervais...he looks danger in the fist with his face!" JPinVA
Yeah, Eaton is good and signed for next year. Unless garth has strong strong hopes/likes for juice and this new kid wishart and marti, we really can't get rid of eaton.
He stabilizes the PK and our defensive d-men well. He is a very smart veteran d-man and a great #4/complimentary d-man. I’d like eaton here for 1 more year, it would take more then a 2nd rounder, imo, to pull him from us.
John Tavares=The Franchise, The Future, and still only 20yrs old, SO GIVE HIM SOME F**KING TIME TO MATURE CRITICS! Not everyone is Wayne Gretzky(although Tavares did break some of his records....tee hee)
I see it on the next home stand.
he goes to Bridgeport, plays a week, and is in the lineup with the Isles against Vancouver on the home stand. they see what he can do at the NHL level, and after a few games he either stays or is back with the Sound Tigers for the season
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by Rickfansince76 on Jan 2, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Who are you sitting?
Provided everyone is healthy and that’s a choice.
/sacrifices alpaca
"Gervais...he looks danger in the fist with his face!" JPinVA
Oh wait
we were talking about Mottau, not Wishart…Mottau is out the year anyway with that hip.
/regrets unnecessary alpaca sacrifice
"Gervais...he looks danger in the fist with his face!" JPinVA
I actually like Eaton
He blocks shots, rushes the the other team, puts a lot of effort into the game, and does a good job on the defense. I would not object to resigning him next season.
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He's played very tough minutes.
Look at his quality of competition ratings. They are very high. Both coaches are using him against the oppositions top lines.
by TMS on Jan 2, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Eaton is already signed for next season, only way he leaves is through trade.
I like him a lot too. He’s a steady and relaible veteran defensive d-man. I’d wanna keep him for next year.
John Tavares=The Franchise, The Future, and still only 20yrs old, SO GIVE HIM SOME F**KING TIME TO MATURE CRITICS! Not everyone is Wayne Gretzky(although Tavares did break some of his records....tee hee)
Mottau
He also was apparently playing through a hip issue whose seriousness was greater than he realized. Not excusing him, but I’m not ready to write him off as a decent depth guy.
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"Gervais...he looks danger in the fist with his face!" JPinVA
by Keith Quinn on Jan 2, 2011 8:17 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Thank you Lighthouse hockey!
You are always the voice of reason and logic in a sea of rants and anger.
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by 7th Woman on Jan 2, 2011 8:26 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
We try
I was just reading some other stuff…Ranging between ecstatic joy to suicidal/homicidal melancholy. Every now and then (for good measure), we rant…but it’s more Denis Miller than Rush Limbaugh.
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Was that missing 'n' intentional, quin?
After all, it IS how Potvin spells his first name as well…..
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I'm really afraid to go look,
but I assume you’re referring to the unimaginable rage that I suspect this trade has unleashed at IPB?
I’m going there now for shits and giggles. If I’m not instantly singed to a crisp, I’ll be back.
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by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jan 2, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
I'm back...
hair only slightly frizzled. Gzuz, those guys are like rabid dogs over there.
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by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jan 2, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
I cant even look at it.
The comment posters over there are an absolutely miserable bunch… miserable…. and the fact that it is built that way with intention is even more miserable. I saw enough hysteria on Twitter… fans freaking out over Wiz still, its amazing how some of these fans became completely enamored with him to the point of ignoring all this flaws in a matter of only 12 weeks. With Roloson I can understand sadness, I can understand missing him, I can even understand overvaluing him. Its the fans ranting about how trading Roloson ruins our playoff chances (WTF? As if those chances reasonably existed WITH Roloson?) or saying that he brought the win for us this season (he didnt, not that it was always his fault but the fact remains that he DIDNT.)
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 2, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
It's Jekyll and Hyde at IPB today.
The comments at Newsday are pretty bad now too…and more than usual. About 40 last I checked.
Here’s to emotional equilibrium!
/raises glass
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 2, 2011 11:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
So many of the Newsday posters are Rag fan trolls, though.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 2, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Trades
If they traded Sim for Crosby those guys would still be bitching and moaning about what a lousy GM Garth is for not getting Malkin as well. And can you spell TROLL?
had an argument with my friend on facebook
he said he wants garth fired for blowing this season and im like after the 20th loss in 21 games did you really think we had a hope in hell of making the playoffs? we’d have to make history to make the playoffs at this point
lol, so true. The miracle of 2011.
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that would be crazy though
if by some bizzaro world miracle made the playoffs, id have to eat my shorts lol
love this
funny how this site seems to have more optimists than “the other site” which is frighteningly negative.
we traded an old man for a young big d.. if dp stinks we get a good draft pick… if he’s good we got dp back… all good.
by Khan Noonien Singh on Jan 2, 2011 8:34 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Yup
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Heh, man I live in a bubble
I used to check other forums quite a bit to get the “pulse” of fans, but now there are so many here I don’t have the time to keep up. So I haven’t seen commentariat reactions to the Wiz and Roloson deals, but I guess I should’ve figured there would be widespread panic.
I don’t know, a lot of this stuff is judgment call, not rocket science, so I don’t see how it can get anyone up in arms to either extreme. I don’t know who wouldn’t expect Roloson to be traded: He doesn’t fit the long-term plan.
This move makes them more vulnerable now in the next 15-20 games (in case of DP relapse) than if they’d waited until closer to the deadline, but it was a deal that was going to happen no matter what if there a buyer was found. In that context, I’ll take the prospect over the pick that may or may not have been available in a month or two.
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by Dominik on Jan 2, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Someone figured this out, just maybe...
“we traded (Roloson) for a young big d.. if dp stinks we get a good draft pick… if he’s good we got dp back… all good”
We also can now see how all the goalies down at Bridgeport will look in the big league if that is the grand plan here.
Kind of makes some sense looking at this in this way. You may not have gotten the same type of return at the All Star Break or nearer to the trade deadline.
Had to cut out the “an old man” part however – not fair in his case.
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makes me nervous......
I don’t pretend to know anything about salary cap…….
IMO, yep…we need another D….and it’s a young man at that, so this trade in age is definitely good, BUT now time to cross fingers and toes with DP’s knees.
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I like
Better than just getting picks as we’ve become so accustomed to. If he becomes NHL ready I think he’s a big help to our weak D and gives us more time for our younger D prospects to develop. However DP gets hurt, this bites us in the ass big time, but then again our playoffs hope are slim to none already so it can’t hurt to bad.
Constantly building for the future.
I'm really not worried about the playoffs-
But I just don’t want to throw this season away, playoffs or no playoffs. I think that Wishart is a great pickup, but I think that at the dispense of Rollie it may hurt us more that help us. Right now the only ones that can prove whether this pick was good are DP and DP’s knees.
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Season's gone, stop worrying. At best we get a ~#6/#5 overall draft pick with the team clicking and DP playing great. At worst with DP bad and the team up and down, we get the #1 pick.
Playoff hopes were a dream, not reality.
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Phew, I'm back
-Anyway, these trade moves seem to imply that Snow really has given up in some way on this season(not completely). I am still clinging to this season, after all, the isles have been hot the past few games. The team seemed to be coming together again. Now even though I am optimistic for Wishart and I hope that he will start playing with us this season; I just don’t think that DP will, hold up in the long haul. Maybe he might be able to have a full starting position next season, but not this season, its too soon. His earlier swelling is just a prelude to what may come. Also, Lawson needs to atleast spend a season as a backup under a sturdy, dependable goaltender in the nhl that we don’t have. I agree that Rollie would not be here next season, but this is too soon. And for goodness sake can we please create a better goalie mask design for Lawson!
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A stage 5 clinger
I am still clinging to this season, after all, the isles have been hot the past few games.
Clinging to what? A playoff spot? Development of the youngsters?
I just don’t know what the hope for this season is other than the young players development and a understanding of what the team has for next season. Also, I hope for a solid draft pick (s).
I still believe that this season means something
Whether it gives our players more confidence, suprises other teams, or if the islanders by some miracle climb a little higher in the standings. I am not ready to trade away players that won’t be with us next season for draft picks. I am still watching and I still want the islanders to play well and make something out of this season.
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The drive for five (hundred)
Thats what it is for me. I want them to develop and, if they get to NHL-500, Id consider that a great step forward from where theyw ere during “the streak”
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 2, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly!
Prediction, toward the tail end of the season, we go on a magical run to make it close. This happens as KO regains his wheels and Poulin is given his tryout and Wishart gels with his new partner to further our “shutdown D”. Getting to .500 would be an incredible achievement given where they started and would certainly lend optimism and FA attractablity to next season!
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 2, 2011 11:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Actually I take back what I said about Lawson's mask
It’s actually pretty cool. As an artist myself, I approve.
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Also, Lawson needs to atleast spend a season as a backup under a sturdy, dependable goaltender in the nhl that we don’t have.
Why?
The primary goal of this organization as far as goalies go is not to develop backups. Their focuse is (and rightfully should be) on developing Poulin and Koskinen properly, and seeing what Rick can do given time at the NHL level again. Thats what they are doing. You cannot prioritize developing Nathan Lawson as a backup over any of those three, they are far, far more important.
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That is what this move enables
Moving Rollie, gives both Lawson a chance to become a NHL backup, if not for us than for someone else in the future, and it allows Poulin and Koskinen a chance to develop properly. Who cares if DP isn’t sturdy or dependable, he is our default #1 these days, for better or worse.
My point
is that Lawsons job is to play wherever we need him. If he develops as a backup, thats great for him and for us. But he is not the organizations top goalie priority, nor should he be.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 2, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This cannot be emphasized enough.
This team’s Goaltending future is safely being developed in BP right now. Nothing can be allowed to disrupt that. If DP goes down, we will ride Lawson for so far as we can and Garth will be looking up phone numbers for Manny Lagace and Evgebi Nabokov.
NTIPC
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jan 2, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
I think its possible
That either Koskinen or Poulin get a game or two up here as a reward type of thing. That would not hurt their development. But I dont want either of them thrown up here to sit on the bench, I want them both playing meaningful hockey.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 2, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Your own thoughts on Mikko, C?
As I’ve said before here, I think his size is presently working to his disadvantage – he may need to alter his playing style slightly to compensate…..
Im a little worried about him
But its so early, so unbelievably early. I think he should cook for years- and it probably is because he needs to learn to work with his considerable size.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 2, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
'Cook for years'?
Not sure just how well that worked with Bruno…..rumored to be a superior chef, but not a superior hockey player LOL
Seriously, thanks for your input; I like Mikko but am wary – you’re right though; it’s a bit early on yet to rate his development…..
I want him cookING, let someone else be the chef lol
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 2, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Mikko
Anyone seen him play this year? I’m worried by his number, but haven’t even read much in description of what’s been wrong. Coming off hip surgery (though he played, and played mostly well, last spring)…adapting style to the A…a rough few months in a 3-goalie rotation…just not good enough — possibilities, all.
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I think they havent paid enough attention to Poulin
Ask Roy who the best goalie in th QMJL was!
And he has been great in the AHL so far, as well.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 3, 2011 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
Peter Mannino sighting at #36!
Wonder how Mikko and Poulin’s rank will change next time around.
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And poulin is still that low with his combo of raw talent, age, skills, and ahl numbers?
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Rec'd. Lawson is a worthless pawn. And at best a stopgap backup for poulin/mikko.
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Well I hope he isnt worthless. Seems like a good guy. But he is nonetheless below the others on the priority list.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 2, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Worthless in the sense that his role or possible future spot on the team is one that is expendable or easily fillable.
Not worthless as in the fact that we need him to fill a backup role for the rest of the season.
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If DP wins in Calgary then he will play in Edmonton. If he loses in Calgary then Lawson will get the start in Edmonton. That is my guess.
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Sounds right. Ride DP's great playing streak for as long as possible, unless he's worked hard(like 35-40shots+ hard).
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I was really hoping Roloson could put on a show for the Edmonton fans
My one regret about the timing of the deal.
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As a defense first guy ...
I think this a great move. Whether Lawson is NHL ready or not is a very minor issue in this. He’s already 27. The future in goal is Koskinen and Poulin and maybe Nilsson, and who knows, maybe DP really is back. If Lawson can simply be competent in holding the fort, that will be enough. If he turns out to be more than that, then the G.M. will have done a good job in amassing another chip to play.
I didn’t know anything about Ty Wishart before now, but I read some stuff and he looks to have a big upside as a dependable, solid and most of all, big d-man. To me, having too many of those is like having too much pitching. You can’t. If Gervais and Martinek finish the season here I’ll be really surpised. I think Jurcina is pretty decent and keeping him would be okay with me. Hillen I can’t figure out for the life of me. This team needed a lot more on the backline. Roloson was a true pro here, but I think the G.M. did a damn good job in getting a 22 D-man prospect who could well turn out to be rock for a long time in return for a 41 year old goalie, as much as I respect him.
Wishart on 2011-12 roster?
As stated by many; any time you can trade a 41 old goalie for a 22 year old 6’4" 222lb d-man, its a good move.
If a understand the CBA; since next year Wishart will be on his 2nd Standard Pro Contract; if he doesn’t make the team out of camp the Isles will have to pass him through waivers in order to keep his rights and send him to Bridgeport?
If this is correct; fiest he will have to get some time at the NHL this year to access his level of of play and unless he shows nothing over the next 4 months he will be on the roster come Oct 2011; with I assume Streit, A-Mac; Hamonic, Eaton; and possible Mottau, Jurcina; Martinek, Hillen, Gervais and de Haan. I would prefer de Hann either back in Juniors or in Bridgeport next year. From what I have seen of him in the WJC, he is not physical ready for the NHL. The Isles will need 8-10 defenseman on opening night, Oct. 2011 and it looks like Streit, A-Mac, Hamonic, Eaton and Wishart are good bets.
Reports say he almost made the team this year,
but they didn’t want him in a bottom 2, 15min/gm role on the nhl team so they sent him down. He should definitely crack the lineup through training camp next year. I’d be surprised if he didn’t based on his 6’4’’ 222lbs size and touted defensive reliability-stability/shutdown game.
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Waivers
As I understand it (which isn’t very good, thanks to the magic matrix of variables), Wishart won’t require waivers just yet. It has to do with a combo of how many years since you signed your first contract (so first or second contract doesn’t influence it), combined with your age and the number of NHL games you’ve played.
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Glad I discovered this site a few months ago. It’s great to see sane discussions. I just posted a comment at IPB to counter some of the delusional posts that make you think this is the worst trade since Gretzky leaving Edmonton…..and I got the usual “your comment awaits moderation”. (to be fair most of the post over there support the deal). Anyway, I think this is a great trade by Snow…A solid prospect for a 41 yr old UFA.
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by JoRiverside on Jan 2, 2011 12:47 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
This site is great for sane discussions
So many of the people who post comments on IPB (more accurately, those who Botta does not censor) are completely id-ridden, in the fact that it is their psychological id that propels everything that they say. Everything is about what is pleasurable for them, and anything that does not lead to immediate gratification is met with indignant anger, outrage, or self-pity. Those kinds of reactionary one-sided rant/spurts do not lead to rational conversation- no matter how you feel about a trade like this.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 2, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Love this deal...
Rollie really meant nothing to the Isles aside from maybe a bailout save here or there. Bottom line is when you a consistently getting outshot and still have those awful periods, you know the recent success is not sustainable. But Garth took the opportunity to sell high on Wiz and Rollie and it looks like he got some good value for them.
It sucks but the reality is you have to take some time to determine of DP is really a sunk cost or not and this might be (hopefully will be) the last season in which you get that chance (hopefully the Isles will competitive soon).
I love getting a player and not just a pick. I’m anxious to see the new guy play.
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i’ve been a martinek fan for a long time but this year it was clear that he isn’t a top 6 nhl defenseman anymore. too many injuries have taken their toll and slowed him down.
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I think they have to deal him next.
He’s a great skater, really good stick handler and passer and his shot is nice and crisp but he’s getting old. We all love Martinek and we’re happy for him that he’s finally staying healthy but he’s not going to be any good by the time the Isles are really getting good in 2 yrs so we should get something of value for him now.
by TMS on Jan 3, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
You still need someone in the lineup
I think Roloson was in a unique situation since his contract was up, he’s 41 and the Islanders have 4 other goaltenders in contention so dealing him made sense. The Wiz was overpriced and not that good in the long term so no problem letting him go considering he to was an UFA at the end of the year.
Martinek on the other hand should be kept if for no other reason than you won’t find anyone any better for the price. The team needs some consistency and I think he does a good job when healthy. Not every player on the team needs to be groomed for 5 years from now when everyone should be peaking, they need a little guidance and hand holding along the way and Martinek should be able to bridge that gap. It can’t be a complete firesale , but of course it would depend on the return. Anything less than a second for Martinek (which I don’t think Snow would get) and I’d be suitably unimpressed considering his residual value to the team.
Good question. Won't find anyone better.
Probably not. But with 4 of our next year’s top 6 containing unquestionably(unless traded): Streit, A-mac, Hamonic, and Eaton, Marti looks to be certainly expendable, even moreso if Garth is a juice fan and wishart is as close to breaking into an nhl starting job as described. I’d definitely offer him a contract offer, but based on his injury history, I wouldn’t offer him much more then $1mil/yr for 2yrs, too much of an injury liability for that. But he would definitely receive and deserves a contract offer, enough if it is low because of his age and injury history. Tradable yes, but for no less then a 2nd as stated. When healthy, he’s still a solid top 4, but how often he is healthy is the problem.
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The Islanders need to be at least 8 D deep
at the NHL level and then 4 deep at the AHL level before I’m even slightly comfortable. There isn’t a team that doesn’t have injuries throughout the year and I don’t doubt one of the top four will miss at least 10 games next year and the rest combine for another 20 games. You won’t even be playing more than seven a night but they can at least max out the roster next year with 23 players. 8 D would still leave 13 forward slots not considering injuries and players on the AHL shuttle.
That is probably a great idea.
Let’s think of the predicted 8:
Streit, A-mac, Hamonic, Eaton, Wishart, Jurcina, Hillen/Gervais, and Mottau(or Larsson, me want),
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Great deal!
Glad they finally got a prospect in return for a trade. Trading for a former first round pick (with size and scoring ability) who has already been developed beats a late first to second round draft pick any day of the week. The read on Wishart seems very positive, except he needs to improve his physical game. I love Rollie, but they needed to trade him for some value and that’s what they did!
Given that the season is essentially over, we might as well hope for a top 5 draft pick. Since we now have 3 solid young D-men (Hamonic, DeHaan, and Wishart), we can draft the best available player. I’m hoping they get Couterier, Landeskog, or Nugent-Hopkins. Obtaining Wishart reduces the need to an Adam Larsson or a Ryan Murphy, but I wouldn’t mind either.
You've got it right
Solid future D men Hamonic, DeHaan, and Wishart. Things will get better for the Isles.
Whether you like this move or not
(and I happen to love it, moving an asset who was not in the future plans to acquire another 1st round pick, in the form of a big dman) you can’t help but appreciate Garth’s (and the organizations) committment to the plan of building with youth. They really need to be commended for never panicking, even as this season turned disappointing, and making an “immediate help” type of trade which sacrificed any part of the future plan. You may not agree with all of their talent decisions (ie, tambellini, bergenheim, etc) but they have the fortitude to formulate a reasonable plan and stick with it. If MM had 1/4 of the current discipline, we probably would have grabbed a 5th cup (or more) by now.
by randyboyd on Jan 2, 2011 2:36 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
And today's useless fact:
Isles now have 3 2006 1st Rounders
- - Okposo
- - Grabner
- - Wishart
And they’ve added three “1st rounders” in Schremp/Grabner/Wishart the last 1.5 years. Gambles, guys who didn’t stick for various reasons each of them, but still not a bad way to build depth on the cheap.
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To place this trade in perspective
I have thought for some time that Roli could bring back a first round pick. Others have mocked that idea and said that if Garth could get a third rounder, we should all be happy about it. Ty Wishart is better than getting TB’s first rounder which would likely be in the 20s, probably would not have his upside, and would likely not be NHL-ready for 1-2 years. Here we have a blue chip top four defenseman prospect who will likely see time with the team before the season ends and will almost certainly be on the roster next year. Garth has outdone himself!!!
Classic
You throw the term “blue chip” around so much that it has last all meaning. You don’t trade a “blue chip” defensive prospect for a 41-year old impending UFA.
Not saying that the haul was bad or anything, but the certainty with which you make statements regarding prospects is hilarious.
by AP77 on Jan 2, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You do if the 41 yo goalie just may help get you a Cup
and given everything that has been written about Wishart and what Yzerman said about him, I stand by the “blue chip” appelation. He has blue chip talent.
I agree. More then I thought he would get for Rollie. Really smart move.
Wishart is as good as or better then the lightnings 1st round pick. Wishart has a lot of potential and should be a steady top 4 d-man in this organization for many years to come.
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Mea maxima culpa
Gotta hand it to you, BC… though sometimes I think you’re a bit off, you get these sorts of things correct an awful lot. Sign me up for whatever you’re drinking. =)
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Stevie wanted Roli now, not at the deadline. He knew he had to make the offer really sweet to get Roli now. He also knew that with the drafting of Big Victor and Brock Beukeboom, Wishart, however talented, was dispensable. Don’t know what he was thinking in signing MAB though. Bad karma.
Speaking of the future...
Canada vs Switzerland at the WJC. de Haan and Cizikas (Couturier as well, fwiw) against Nino.
Good stuff.
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by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jan 2, 2011 4:51 PM EST reply actions
And
Cizikas goes roof daddy on the Swiss Goalie (ubdrafted and amazing btw) for the 2-1 lead.
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by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jan 2, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Im so conflicted watching this game lol
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 2, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
I want nino to win, let him dazzle against the world's best.
De Haan and Cizikas have already shown nice strides in the tourney and regular season. I want more nino!
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Newsday Articles
Interview with Snow & Player reactions
http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/islanders/isles-files-1.812028
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Rollie speaks -- and he likes it!
And Snow says what many inferred:
“To me, that was the best offer we would have gotten for him and I believe it was the best deal even if we had waited,"
”I think [Nathan] Lawson will surprise people with how well he’ll play. It’s also an opportunity for [Kevin] Poulin and [Mikko] Koskinen to develop in an environment where there isn’t three goalies."
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Completely reasonable, completely rational, makes sense to me.
But caring about the optimal development for a future star like Poulin over Roloson makes me a delusional Kool-Ade drinking homer according to some circles.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 2, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
Some nerve you have!
Trying to make sensible rational arguments around those who relish in anger and self-torment!
Thankfully, there’s a spot for that!
"Gervais...he looks danger in the fist with his face!" JPinVA
by Keith Quinn on Jan 3, 2011 4:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Fair Hockey trade
My first reaction to the trade ,was I’ve heard of him and isn’t he a prospect of some sort? So the fact that I knew he existed in some other organization made me feel good about the return. Looking at some of the background material since the trade has done nothing to tamper my optimism.
Hockey News had him as Tampa’s number 8 prospect this year and I went back to look at McKeen’s from his draft year to see that San Jose thought enough of him to package their 20th and 52 to move to 16 to get him. Wilson was an NHL defensemen so I would think he knew a thing or two. Considering he was the primary piece in the Boyle trade I don’t think it was a case of two organization’s giving up on him. He brings size on the defense which is something the Isles sorely lack. It is a move to bring in a prospect without having to wait five years for him to develop. Why is everyone asssuming Yzerman is a genius and therefore must have fleeced Snow?
Roloson did exactly what was expected of him and the Islanders got what they needed from him. If I recall many fans where saying “who is Roloson?” and he’s old, so I find it funny that some of the same people are criticizing Snow for getting Wishart in return. I thought the Roloson move was great fromt he start and he’s proven he is a young 41 and will help the Lighting the rest of the season. He’s an UFA which both helps and hinders his value, plenty of teams wanted him as a rental, but weren’t going to pay the purchase price for someone under contract beyond the playoffs.
But for the drafting of Big Victor
I suspect that Wishart would have been starting this year and last for Tampa.
by BCISLEMAN on Jan 4, 2011 1:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Bababouy says pick up Michael Leighton
Philthydelphia just put him on waivers. He could be an insurance policy for DP.
Doesn't that re-create the logjam
I think Snow wants Lawson to be the back-up the rest of the way and he wants only 2 goaltenders in Bridgeport so that they can get sufficient playing time. Leighton doesn’t have much upside and would just gum up the works again. The wild card is DPs health which there is no way to manage around.
You definitely have a good point there
Bababouy just thought that with Leighton, the Isles could trade him closer to the trading deadline, and just in case DP gets hurt again. Lawson deserves a chance and in time he will get it. The Isles will get better, just like the Avs.
lol, philthydelphia.
John Tavares=The Franchise, The Future, and still only 20yrs old, SO GIVE HIM SOME F**KING TIME TO MATURE CRITICS! Not everyone is Wayne Gretzky(although Tavares did break some of his records....tee hee)
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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.
The victory justified the faith in coach Al Arbour who guided them from their second season to their first Stanley Cup seven seasons later. The Islanders would not be the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup, but they would be the only one capable of a dynasty.
1980-81
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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.
Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.
1981-82
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May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.
A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.
1982-83
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May 17, 1983: Not so fast, whipper-snappers. The Edmonton Oilers' steadily rising challenge for league supremacy took them all the way to the finals for the first time, where the New York Islanders summarily dispatched them in a four-game sweep. For the Islanders, the Dynasty was secured. For the Oilers, it was a powerful lesson in where talent ends and the demands of playoff hockey begin.
Four years, four Cups, 16 consecutive playoff series wins (a record that would grow to 19 until the rematch with the Oilers the following year). Mike Bossy scored 60 goals yet again, and Wayne Gretzky became acquainted with Billy Smith's crease.
