Great Larsson TSN video
For the Islanders, assuming they are both on the board, it would seem to be a choice between Larsson and Landeskog. Getting both would be a dream come true. Larsson would be an absolutely perfect pairing partner for Streit and Landeskog would be a great linemate for JT. Maybe the best strategy would be to draft Larsson if available, hope NJ takes Couturier, and see if CDH can be leveraged into a top ten pick and then try to put together a package to convince Edmonton if they are #3 to trade down. They would probably be looking first and foremost at Larsson and Couturier and might be open to it.
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link actually takes you to TSN Draftcentre page
Look to right side of page for Larsson’s picture and video. Also, a full program about Mckenzie’s picks above that video. Unfortunately, there have not been any good videos about Larsson in English as there were about Hedman in 2009.
i just don't see it BC
liking a guy enough to move up (somewhat unnecessarily) to get him, then trade him off 2 years later… even though he’s had some injuries slow his development which you can hardly blame him for… i just dont see garth giving up on him now…
what’s he shown in junior that will ensure he brings that kind of value back as well? just because we paid it to get him doesnt mean they will pay the same…
i think you need to find a new trade piece for that scenario
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look at it this way
regardless of trade up scenarios…Mark will be #1, AL #2, TH and AM will be the #3 and #4. Do you see CDH as a third pairing guy? IF we draft AL, trading CDH at the draft would seem like a logical move to me. And a team like Columbus, if they are in that spot, might see themselves as needing a talented NHL-ready puckmover like CDH to make the next step forward to being a playoff contender. Rather than wait a few years for Ryan Murphy or Dougie Hamilton, they can plug CDH right into their roster. No way to know for sure whether a team like that would make that trade, but I don’t think you can dismiss the possibility either.
you assume a lot here BC in this line
they can plug CDH right into their roster
regardless of if we get larsson or not…
Streit – big Q’s will need to be answered, and may not be til next season if he doesn’t return this year, at worst, he needs reduced minutes and plays on 2nd D pairing
Hamonic – here to stay, be it as a 2nd pairing or top pairing, he’s going to be in the lineup for a good 23-24 minutes most nights
A-Mac – also, here to stay, whether he’s been overachieving or not, he’s looking like he belongs in the top 4 for next year, but even if he dips a little, he’s on the roster
Jurcina – Snow re-upped him for another year, so 2nd line is a likely spot for him
Eaton and Mottau both have labrum issues and we wont know how they respond to surgery and rehab, but both are signed and if they’re in form, i think we’re looking at 2 of our 4 candidates for the bottom 4 carousel
CDH – stunted development due to injuries, but seems to be moving along well enough in juniors, most likely Garth will want him eating up minutes at the Bridge with an occasional call up to the show
Adam Larsson – Has the potential to step right in, but only 3-4 rookies have come in and thrived as a D-man in their rookie season, no reason to rush him into a big role or big minutes, but may wow everyone into submission and find a spot in the top 4, moving amac/hamonic/jurcina down…
i’m not counting Martinek, which may be a mistake, but he IS UFA
i’m not even counting RFA’s (hillen gervais reese) but who knows if one of them shows something in the final 38 games then maybe they play into that bottom 4 role as well
in a BEST CASE SCENARIO, we have a 1 and 1A kinda thing for the top 4 dmen and the 3rd pair plays 2-3 more minutes than our averages for this year… being deep at the D is big, just look at philly – they roll their D more evenly than most teams (well, before pronger was hurt, obviously he dominated ice time but duh, it’s pronger)
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You are kind of making my point for me
I think we will see enough of Mark to know how well he will come back from his injury. I have no real worries about that. Eaton and Mottau should be fine as well. If we draft Larsson, it only makes sense for him to be #2 on a pairing with Mark. If Big Victor could log big minutes in his rookie season, no reason to think Larsson cannot as well. Add to that Jurcina and Hillen, who I think will be re-signed as well as Martinek who probably gets a year and there really seems to be no space for De Haan. He becomes a spare part, a dispensable chip. And I do think he is ready to start at least as a third pairing 2nd PP guy. If no one is willing to offer a first rounder, then by all means make him Bridgeport depth along with Wishart, Reese, Klementyev, Katic, etc.
I’d be pretty surprised to see them resign Jurcina, Hillen and Martinek unless 2 of the 3 come back on 2 way contracts (which seems unlikely). Jurcina and Hillen are very replacable and Martinek is always hurt. It would probably make the most sense to let them all walk, maybe keep Hillen since he’s a bit younger.
Regardless, Eaton, Mottau and Martinek are all over 30 and can’t be considered to be long term pieces of the puzzle. To say CDH is a spare part for next season because the roster is filled with past their prime defensemen seems off. Even if we resign all of the above, letting CDH develop at Bridgeport and maybe making the jump ala Hamonic makes much more sense than moving him at this point. We have depth at D right now, but it is all old and underwhelming.
Martinek has been solid and Hillen has started to show the player he was before his injury last year
I see them both being re-signed to one year deals. Even if they are not, however, you have Streit, AMac, Hamonic, Jurcina, Eaton, Mottau, and if this pans out, Larsson. Probably they re-sign Martinek to a one year deal and Hillen to a two way deal. So you have a very good top four with pretty decent depth.
really?
you stated we would have streit and larsson on our top line – and my main worry is that one may not be the same and the other is too green to trusted up there
VH struggled last year and continues in his 2nd year with inconsistent play
CDH is 19, just because he may not fit into the roster at 20 years old, doesnt make him a dispensable chip, at least no more so than anyone else in the pipeline, trading him away after trading up for him 2 years ago is tant amount to a certain GM with an itchy trigger finger on draftees that dont develop as fast as the instant coffee he drank
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You keep saying that Streit may not be the same
Do you know of a player who has had a serious dropoff in play after this kind of surgery? I just do not see any reason to think that. De Haan’s future with the Isles, esp if we draft Larsson, is as a third pairing and second PP guy. Seems like a poor return for a #12 pick, but maybe we keep him.
BC, there is ALWAYS
a chance when a player has a MAJOR injury corrected by major surgery, that he doesn’t come back the same, it’s a fact of life… is it a great chance? no, probably not more than 10-15%, but it’s still worth waiting on and seeing… this IS the NYI and 10-15% usually means 50/50 with our track record and luck
on CDH,
you have this fantasy thought that every high pick has to be a star… it just isnt the reality of the hockey world for that to be the case… if as a 20-23 year old he’s a 3rd pairing 2nd pp guy, that would be fantastic
streit would then be up and you would hope for him to mature into a bigger role by then…
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I would guess that the chances of Streit having a significant drop off are a lot less than that even
and I am sure that the Isles will have a clear picture of how sound he is going into the draft in any event. Don’t see that outcome for De Haan as fantastic. Don’t believe that Garth gave up all those picks for that outcome.
As much as I like that scenario, I don’t think de Haan has done anything to make a team want to trade a top 5 pick for him, even as part of a package. And we reached for him at 12-it just doesn’t add up.
As much as the Isles need scoring, and as much as I love what I’ve read about Landeskog, at the end of the day he seems to bring a fairly similar game to Nino. I think the Isles have to roll the dice that Nino is going to make the jump and hope they can grab Larsson. No one in the organization has superstar potential on the blue line, but this guy clearly does. Hopefully the Dirty Jerz don’t steal him.
Not saying De Haan for a top five
More like a 8-10 and trade up from there. Don’t see Nino and Landeskog as being the same kind of forward at all. Nino is a creative scorer / playmaker who is all over the ice. He doesn’t lack toughness and grit, but it doesn’t define him as it does Landeskog. Landeskog gets the dirty goals. He outfights the other team’s best defensemen and gets the goals in the paint. He wears the opponent down and makes it tough on them all night.
I am still hopeful that we will get the #1 overall. Even if we do not, however, I feel fairly confident that NJ picks Couturier. I think we wind up with Larsson. Next choices are Landeskog, RNH, and Couturier.
Keep the dream alive, lol. That would be great. Hard to pull off, but great.
De haan will be good, just not great. He will be a barely adequate #1 d-man imo, better suited for a smaller role on the team. Larsson is a bofide #1 d-man. Landeskog would be great on JT’s wing. Can’t go wrong there. I don’t think it would be bad having a future defense of Larsson/DeHaan/A-mac/Hamonic/Wishart(+ ness, donovan, and kessel) at all. That is A TON of puckmoving/point producing d-men, and might I add, would give us the best puckmoving d-core of any team in the nhl for many years to come. Larsson and DeHaan could easily turn into better top 2 offensive/2-way d-men then Keith/Seabrook or Pronger/Timmonen or possibly Lidstrom/Rafalski. Pretty sick bottom to top potential there.
Landeskog would also and the physicality, toughness, and grit that this team is greatly lacking still in the top 9, imo. Not to mention, size and another goalscorer. Niether would be bad choices at all for this team.
The Isles future looks brighter then most would think with these young core guys in place:
Tavares, Okposo, Bailey, Nielsen, Niederreiter, Grabner, MacDonald, Hamonic, and DeHaan.
It is improbable that we would get them both
and arguably we have enough talent in the system at forward. I think I would want Landeskog as much for his fire as his talent. Adding Larsson’s elite talent on defense is probably the most desirable outcome for this draft. If I had to choose between the two, Landeskog probably is second best. Not sure how good De Haan ultimately will be.
Assuming that there is not a team with a top ten pick willing to trade it for De Haan, the best scenario would be to trade Comeau for a capable veteran forward, hopefully draft Larsson with a #1 overall pick, maybe add a veteran goaltender, and hope the team stays healthy next year. If it does, the playoffs are a realistic possibility.
L and L
seem to be the 2 most coveted prospects in your eyes, and mine as well…
it’s been said before, we reached for CDH, but that only shows that Snow and co. really liked him, and i don’t believe he’s done anything to deter that, except for being hurt… trading him away at this point would be a big mistake, like wishart, you need to give them some time before you cut your losses and trade them, so a year in bport would be the best for everyone
i fully expect the team to draft BPA, at wherever they draft, and IMHO that player is Larsson, so if they get him, he immediately shoots up the totem pole to #1 D prospect, and potential 2011-2012 roster material, but i would be wary of playing him over 18 minutes a game, unless 3-4 of those min come on the PP
just remember, lidstrom stayed in sweden for 2 years after he was drafted before suiting up for the wings…
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yes, but the piece says he is ahead of Lidstrom at this age
A bigger concern, I think, is that he is under contract with Skelleftea for next year. Of course, they haven’t been playing him a lot of minutes. They may be anticipating that he will not be with them next year and that there will be a buyout. He will likely be getting his minutes alongside Mark on and off the PP and that is probably the best place for a newbie anyway.
he may in fact be ahead of him, but the problem with that is...
lidstrom was scouted (cough) 22-23 years ago, i doubt these scouts are going off more than just here-say and anecdotal evidence from their predecessors. euro players were 2nd class (still are in a way draft wise) to NA players
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Imo, DeHaan hasn't progressed as hoped. Could be due to injury, could be due to not maturing fully/correctly, and could be both. Imo, DeHaan would be a perfect #2 d-man as long as his defensive game is up to par. He definitely has the puckmoving
abilities to be a solid #2 pts producing d-man, but his defensive game has to come to the nhl as good as or near as well as a-mac does it for him to be nothing more then a glorified wiz/pp-specialist/offensive-specialist. He has time though, and injuries have definitely played a part.
The Isles future looks brighter then most would think with these young core guys in place:
Tavares, Okposo, Bailey, Nielsen, Niederreiter, Grabner, MacDonald, Hamonic, and DeHaan.
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