Roloson traded to Tampa for D prospect Ty Wishart
Wishart has played all season in the AHL and was the 16th overall pick in 2006. [Update from Dominik: Per the Isles, Wishart will report to Bridgeport.]
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the way Roli is playing
why would it be his last? If he performs well, I don’t see why Tampa doesn’t re-sign him to a 1-2 year deal.
he should get plenty of offers if he doesnt stay with Tampa
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
by Rickfansince76 on Jan 2, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
would he resign with the Isles?
or is he tired of losing
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
by Rickfansince76 on Jan 2, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
It's hard. Tampa could keep him,
but remember, he is a 41yr old goalie, and any time/year/month could be the big downfall year. Everyone ages eventually, and I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if at the end of the year or early next year rollie looks as if he can barely keep an nhl starting job.
John Tavares=The Franchise, The Future, and still only 20yrs old, SO GIVE HIM SOME F**KING TIME TO MATURE CRITICS! Not everyone is Wayne Gretzky(although Tavares did break some of his records....tee hee)
Brodeurs craptastic 10-11 season will scare everyone from committing to older goalies
He is really and truly bad this season… its not just his team, its him, too. He is bad. Bad-bad. And he is years younger than Rollie. Marty demonstrates that, when it comes to older goalies, a bad season can come out of nowhere.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 2, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly. Great example.
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No he hasnt
But Brodeur won the Vezina twice in the last 4 seasons (07 and 08) and was a finalist for the Vezina last season… and look at him now.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 2, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
We don’t even know if he can handle a true #1 workload right now, much less next year. His age is a big wild card, because the decline can hit at any moment. No way anyone should sign him for two years.
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say what you will but
if Roli continues with the hot hand, I would expect TB to re-sign him for at least one more year as a backup.
he might just wanna pull a tiki barber
and retire before it takes too much of a toll on his body regardless of how well hes playing and as ozzy and tmc mentioned below, a bad season can come out of no where with older goalies so its a significant risk
next year's D
signed and in hand for next year
Hamonic, de Haan
Streit, MacDonald
Eaton, Wishart
I like it
Streit in the second pairing?
Don’t think so. And Hamonic is an RD, Wishart a LD. Could see them as eventually becoming pairing partners. And, of course, many of us hope that Adam Larsson will be sharing the top pairing with Mark Streit next year.
Actually now i'd prefer not to have Larsson
With the addition of Ty I think we’ve built our blue line enough that we can get Couturier, Landeskog, or Nougent Hopkins. We need to add more future top line or top 6 talent on offense so our top 6 can look like 2011 pick, Tavares, Okposo, Nino, Schremp, and Moulson. That way we can make a thrid hybrid line of toughness, scoring and defense with either Bailey, a Krill, Comeau, JJ, Nielsen or Paretau. We trade away the spares for maybe some defensive depth or goalie help and find more size and grit for a fourth line with MM.
Outside of Landesko/Couturier, I don
John Tavares=The Franchise, The Future, and still only 20yrs old, SO GIVE HIM SOME F**KING TIME TO MATURE CRITICS! Not everyone is Wayne Gretzky(although Tavares did break some of his records....tee hee)
"Outside of Landeskog/Couturier, I don't want any forwards in this draft"
NH is too small and years away from an nhl starting job. And no one else jumps out as great talents. If we finish this year solid and somehow don’t have a choice for landeskog/larsson/couturier on the board, trade the pick away for something(not another 1st rounder). The draft is just too weak to use a pick outside of those players and think you will have a soon nhl ready top 6 forward that can be impacting.
John Tavares=The Franchise, The Future, and still only 20yrs old, SO GIVE HIM SOME F**KING TIME TO MATURE CRITICS! Not everyone is Wayne Gretzky(although Tavares did break some of his records....tee hee)
that's ridiculous
Ozzy with all due respect you have no idea how good or bad ryan Nugent-Hopkins will turn out. If we end up in a position to draft him fourth how do you trade that up? Can you guarantee ever again a position to draft 4th overall? If he’s the next Martin st. Louis how silly would we end up feeling if we traded down? I’m not saying I know better but to dismiss the entire first round after those three is tough to swallow. Even if he’s not nhl ready next year so what, we can wait. AgaunAgain JMHO
"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)
RNH is the only other guy questionable, and possibly deserving to be in that group. It's a fair argument.
But I don’t consider him worth a top 5/top 10 pick for many reasons:
-Size. Right now tipping the scales at 6’ 160lbs. His weight should make him 2-3yrs removed from an nhl role. His likely playing weight if he matures correctly: 6’-6’1’’-180-185lbs. Look at our team, do we really need another undersized forward? Especially in the top 6. Not an immediate impact guy, and do we really want to wait around a handful+ of years to find out if our top 5 pick was a bust or not?
-Rarity( coinciding with size). How many little talented players actually make it in the nhl? Look at all the former small 1st round/top 15 picks that just couldn’t turn their game in juniors over into the nhl and would be considered busts? Nilsson, Tambellini, Eaves, Brule, Bouchard, Taticek, Weiss, Chistov, Nedorost, Saprykin, Holden, etc. For every St.Louis, there is a number of similar/small sized talented players that were busts.
RNH is too small for center too. He’d be drafted as a winger(a la st.louis). It’s nice to dream, but there is a reason why team’s shy away from undersized players, even if they are pretty talented in juniors. The thing is, RNH isn’t just small, he’s tiny and I can’t remember the last time I heard of a high end prospect being drafted around 160lbs. I wouldn’t be surprised if RNH fell out of the top 10 because of his size. Yeah, the junior numbers make him look like a promising small playmaker(not a great shooter imho) with speed, but how many of those type of players make it to the nhl and succeed? Big gamble imo, and Garth has done anything but gamble when making 99% of his decisions, especially with early draft picks. I just don’t see it happening.
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no way to know how our amateur scouts are evaluating him but
I would have to say that RNH wouldn’t be the best fit for this team. And, of course, it goes without saying that he could go on to be another MSL….but we need size. If Larsson, Landeskog, and Couturier are gone when we pick, I could see a trade down. Players that would work for us include Victor Rask, Dougie Hamilton, David Musil, and the Finn Armias.
I'm with you,
I’d love a lineup of:
Streit, Larsson
Hamonic, A-mac
Eaton/Jurcina, Wishart
Either way, the D is looking great. And as we brought up before, I don’t see how you pass on Larsson if he’s around when we pick. He’s just too good of a talent if he is anything close to as touted. Not to mention, we still have no #1 d-man successor on this team.
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I wish I could give you guys more info on Wishart (scouting report) but we’ve honestly seen so little of him and heard little about him from what he’s doing in the Bolts system.
You may want to check out www.boltprospects.com which may have some stuff on him.
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Raw Charge.
You just made a big upgrade from Ellis/Smith
Roloson is probably a league-average goalie at this point.
Of course, Ellis/Smith were rated the #1 and #3 worst goalies in the league by PuckProspectus’ statistic: GVT. Sooo yeah. Major upgrade. Good luck to yall.
Thanks. We’re all happy about this. Average is better than Smellis. ;-) And II’m not trying to play down Rollie. When we played before Christmas, I could see how frustrated the Bolts were facing him — they couldn’t get one by him OR get him out of position.
Frustrating and thrillign to watch at the same time. I like goalie duels.
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by John Fontana on Jan 2, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Wishart
I’ve seen some of him from my Sound Tigers watching. He’s a big kid, but still a bit on the raw side. He might even step in to the big club right now as he’d be an improvement on defense over Gervais, Hillen and/or Reese (Not that it would take all that much). Fun fact, the Isles now have three of the top 20 picks from 2006 in Okposo (7), Grabner (14) and Wishart (16).
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by David Hanssen on Jan 1, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks John
Good luck with Rollie! I expect he’ll play a lot, and generally play pretty well.
Also: Give fun no-bullshit interviews.
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Sounds like a win win
Don’t know enough about him offhand but both teams seem to fill a need here. Wishart is seen to be NHL ready; he’ll likely get his shot soon with Wiz gone. He has 1 yr left at 1.1MM and is a RFA this summer. He sounds like a Jurcina with more potential. Big guy that doesn’t use his size to full potential, hard shot. Also said to have good vision. Guess we will have to learn more.
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
wait he's an RFA ALREADY next year?
Jeez, and I was hoping we could have a guy for cheap for a while. Well, maybe they’ll sign an extension.
Last year on an entry level. He’s only played 5 games in the NHL so I don’t think he’ll be getting too much of a raise.
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by David Hanssen on Jan 1, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
Oh agreed.
I’m just saying I’d hoped he was under team control for longer. This team really should have a target date of 2014-2015 on its backs for obvious reasons, and he’s not automatically under control through then.
Disappointing for me.
Well UFA status is more heavily weighted on NHL service time and age than number of contracts. The only time a player can ebcome a UFA after thier second SPC (Standard Professional Contract) is if they are 27 or older at the NHL level or have been a pro below the NHL level the entire time and are 25 or older. The one thing is on his second SPC he’ll have to go through waivers to be sent down to Bridgeport so he needs to make the team out of camp next year (That’s how we got Schemp and Grabner). Having a pdf of the CBA is a wonderful thing.
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by David Hanssen on Jan 1, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Not a problem. If I knew the CBA like I did the topics of some of my classes, I’d be set.
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by David Hanssen on Jan 1, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t like the Jurcina comparison. think almost like a Jeff Schultz a big guy with some offensive potential.
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by David Hanssen on Jan 1, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
Or maybe a poor man’s Brent Burns
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by David Hanssen on Jan 1, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah that might be better
‘Big guy not using his size fully’ just screamed Jurcina but yeah that’s a good comparison.
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
I read. Henrik Tallinder. Not bad.
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hockeysfuture.com calls him...
…the bolts’ top d prospect.
Also THN.com reads:
ASSETS: Has excellent size, decent offensive instincts and all-around prowess from the back end. Can log a lot of ice time.
FLAWS: Needs to make better use of his big frame in order to keep forwards more honest. Must also become a little more steady in his own end.
CAREER POTENTIAL: Potential big-minute defenseman with offensive upside.
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I like the idea that he's still well-regarded
…and yet someone else has already done a lot of the developing.
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I smell a
Malakhov?
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 2, 2011 11:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
am guessing
Wishart finishes the season in Bpt (TB D isn’t that good – he’d have been up at some point if ready now) and we see what he has next year (and they don’t re-sign Jurcina if he seems to have potential)
Note that Wishart was +13 on a very good Norfolk team
this is a promising move
If Norfolk is very good, +13 means very little in a vacuum.
Players on Very Good teams have high +/-s. Doesn’t tell us anything.
Sorry to see Rolli go
But I guess this is the best move for us. Was actually thinking Rolli could sneak us into respectability in the coming months but that seems to be over.
by Torch7 on Jan 1, 2011 11:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Well the crowd wanting to see Poulin/Lawson/Koskinen will now get their wish too.
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by David Hanssen on Jan 1, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
Does anyone "want" to see lawson?
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You’d be surprised at the amount of people calling for him to get an opportunity last season.
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by David Hanssen on Jan 1, 2011 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
Really, never impressed me at all. Would be an ok/decent backup, but I just can't see him starting.
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I do...
in that bringing Lawson up showcases him for an NHL job somewhere… and that may be here. But more importantly it gives the two younger prospects planty of starts in the second half. There are still no guarentees between the pipes. What’s even scarier is that it looks like RDP is the #1 again… I wish him well. But I don’t really have high hopes for the happy wanderer… I definitely don’t want to put my eggs in his basket next year.
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In the light of our young goalies in bridge getting 50/50 starts, yes I wanted to see lawson.
But I in no way think he has the stuff to be a good or steady nhl starter. From all I’ve read and seen, he has traveling backup goalie written all over him.
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Yeah...The 3 headed goalie in BPT hasn't helped Mikko at all
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
Not really, but...
I can live with Lawson as the backup goalie for the time being. I’d rather see Poulin and Koskinen continue to develop at Bridgeport this season. After this season is over, we can start to speculate if the Isles are ready to bring up one of the young goalies.
Lawson's a strange case because he rose so late
Sometimes that happens with goalies. His save % in the A was better than his save % in the ECHL, which was better than his save % in college.
I don’t expect him to blow our socks off, but could he be serviceable/average? Wouldn’t be shocking. Of course now the big story and onus will be DP’s health endurance.
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Best of luck to Rollie. He’ll be missed. Hopefully DP can stay healthy for the rest of the season.
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Good Luck Roli, and THANKS...
Gotta say good trade for the Isles right now. I’m glad they didn’t get another 2nd rounder. This kid will help in BPT and possibly serve as the #7 if this truly is a house cleaning. This may give Snow a little safety net if Marty comes back, and makes himself trade bait before the deadline. With Jurcina playing 28 minutes of hockey, somebody, somewhere likes him… Marty might be pretty valuable to a team who needs a steady middle pair “D” for a playoff run. As much as I like Marty, I can’t really see the Isles re-signing him with his medical history.
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Even if Jurcina is a #5/#6 d-man, I like his size. Even if he doesn't have a huge role on this team,
having that kind of size on your d is very nice to have. I want him to stay around for a couple years to round out the bottom 2. Decent PKer, Great size, and some untapped potential still.
John Tavares=The Franchise, The Future, and still only 20yrs old, SO GIVE HIM SOME F**KING TIME TO MATURE CRITICS! Not everyone is Wayne Gretzky(although Tavares did break some of his records....tee hee)
I was saying that MJ adds enough depth...
with this new addition to shop Marty. I don’t think shopping MJ is all that smart right now. He’s showing that he likes being an Islander (I think) and he’s handling his responsibilities well. And guys that size that can move the puck don’t grow on trees. (deja vu… I’m pretty sure I posted that line last year when we were shopping Sutton)
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Gotcha, misunderstoo. Completely agree then.
Extend Jurcina, trade Marti if he’s healthy. I just don’t see how we can resign him now either. ESPECIALLY if we get a top 2 pick and draft larsson.
Next Year’s d without larsson should/hopefully look like:
Streit/Eaton/Hamonic/A-mac/Jurcina/Wishart
Not sure how to make the lines now, but all I know is wishart’s edition finally gives us an nhl sized defense.
De Haan in the ahl. If we get larsson, all the better and plug him in or give him 1 more year overseas.
This move really solidifies our young d-core’s shutdown abilities and size. Love this move.
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no to trading Marty
We need talented vets to mentor these guys and Marty has been a loyal Islander. Trade Jurcina maybe depending on the return.
I garee that we should try to retain Marty
I also do not think that this team is gonna be getting a top 2 pick. I thnk that with 1/2 of season still left to play….the Isllanders are going to rturn back to normalcy and maybe move out of that bottom 4. They are only about 5 points behind Toronto and 6 or 7 behind Buffalo right now.
This talk of getting one of those top 2 picks a bit premature.
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disagree
Five or six points is a lot to make up. Also Garth has just traded away one of our top point producers and our best goalie. Also, Burkie is likely to make some crazy moves to improve the Leafs short term. He wants no part of seeing Chiarelli walk up to the podium second or third.
I agree, that's what I'd do...
but looking at history, Garth has let go players with history of injury, and has tried to replace them younger and sturdier. I think Marty is top 4 for 2-3 years in this organization, but he adds to the depth problem throughout a given year. I think we need to see how the rest of the year plays out, but I think if somebody offers something of value Garth would take it and let somebody else do the risk assessment on a 3 year deal for Marty.
If it’s a RH AHL (50+ pts) center, or a high second I’d take it. Marty, right now, is a coin flip.
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Exactly. I love marti, and I'm sure every isles fan does.
But when you have an injury prone d-man and defense that has depth issues because of injuries a lot recently, you just can’t resign marti, or if you do, can’t resign him to anything better then a bottom 2 spot and bottom 2 money. $1mil/yr for 2yrs, take it or leave it. I think Martinek’s great when healthy, but he just isn’t worth a risk by giving him $2mil/yr and expecting him to start in a top 4 spot. If we do resign marti, I want at least a hillen and gervais(and jurcina if not in a starting job) as our #7/#8 d-man in the rafters so we have some decent depth still.
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I think Marty would be a good guy to sign.
Probably wouldn’t cost much. Would add stability to the blue line, experience and depth. Give the younger guys time in BPT – until he inevitably gets hurt. Jurcina may look for a raise next year (he’s UFA, right?) but I could see Garth looking to get him back.
Indeed, thanks Rolli
I like that it wasn’t another pick, too. Picks are great, but it’s nice to find a trading partner willing to give up a prospect you can believe in. (I assume the Isles believe in him, else I’d rather have a pick.)
He fits in the pipeline timeline nicely, and some size they don’t have among the existing D prospects.
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More INFO INFO INFO:
"Wishart has excellent size, is mobile and has the hockey sense to be a dominant defenseman. He possesses good offensive tools with a heavy shot and good vision in the offensive zone. Does not play the punishing game expected of a player his size but is a skilled defender who knows how to use positioning and angles to his advantage. Wishart has continued to improve in two seasons at the AHL level and is on the cusp of being NHL-ready.
A former first round pick, Wishart will challenge for a spot with the Lightning this season. The Lightning defense corps currently features four players 30-years-old or older so he may once again be returned to Norfolk rather than see limited ice time at the NHL level. Long-term, Wishart projects as a top pairing defenseman who plays a lot of minutes and who contributes at both ends of the ice."
" "Huge, smooth skating defenseman had a terrific first half of the season. Defensive zone coverage and positioning is outstanding. Has long stick/reach and a knack for disrupting passing lanes, and one of the best poke-checks we’ve seen in a long time. Very wide stride and great balance. Stands up to hits well, but for a big man doesn’t initiate contact often. Excellent pivoting and lateral agility makes him particularly effective at containment and clogging lanes in the defensive zone. Effective at using leverage and position to eliminate opponents and separate them from the puck. Improved his offensive game in the second half, but that was tempered by a slight decline in defensive zone coverage and decision making. Seemed to tire late in the season, which may explain increased mental mistakes down the stretch.
Projection: Top 3 defenseman who logs tons of icetime.
Style compares to: Henrik Tallinder"
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source?
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Couple draft prospect profiles and scouting reports taking in his ahl and minor league play. Forgot the sites, but legit sources.
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looks HF Boards-ish to me if I had to guess
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 2, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
It's a very good trade for the Isles i believe
We inject youth and talent into the blueliner along with much needed size. Roloson has been great for us but not much use for him now and Mikko and Poulin can move up the depth chart and get more playing time and hopefully it means the Isles think DiPi can play more this year. Feels like we got more than thier first round pick since Tampa would have been a high teens early 20’s pick and Ty was a mid first rounder and top 5 prospect on Tampa. Now our young blueliners are Wishart, De Haan, Hamonic, MacDonald, and Hillen with maybe Ness Katic or Kohn to be depth guys
Yes, the DP factor is definitely undermeasured by us so far.
DP now getting as many starts as he needs with lawson being the definite backup, not challengine starter, allows his situation to be worked out a lot better, and hopefully answered fully going into next year. Now we can definitely find out what we can expect from dp next year and deeper in the future by seasons end.
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Don't forget Donovan
You mean to tell me shooting the puck from 70 feet out doesn't earn us extra goals?
Or Kessel
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by David Hanssen on Jan 2, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
Both look good right now, but does anyone think they will break into the nhl?
Undersized, but talented. Not sure talented enough to be nhl starters though. Definite depth guys at the least, but they have a number of hurdles to make that jump.
John Tavares=The Franchise, The Future, and still only 20yrs old, SO GIVE HIM SOME F**KING TIME TO MATURE CRITICS! Not everyone is Wayne Gretzky(although Tavares did break some of his records....tee hee)
i think you’re confusing them with Ness. Donovan is 6’0" 190 and Kessel is 6’2" 200. Size won’t be either of those two guys problems. Kessel’s main issue will be whether he has enough speed to keep up with pro guys.
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by David Hanssen on Jan 2, 2011 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that's who.
John Tavares=The Franchise, The Future, and still only 20yrs old, SO GIVE HIM SOME F**KING TIME TO MATURE CRITICS! Not everyone is Wayne Gretzky(although Tavares did break some of his records....tee hee)
In the past couple of years we have shown the need for the depth guys on the blue line
We came into the year with the Wiz, Streit, Gervais, Hillen , Marty, MJ, Mac, Mottau, and Eaton 9 guys who were at least bottom pair NHLer’s and we still had to go to Resse and Hamonic during the year. With the injuries our blue line always takes we need to be 10-12 guys deep and maybe more when guys go down for short term. Truthfully if we lose guys like Streit or our top guys for most of the year we’re in huge trouble no matter how much depth we have
Since when were Wis, Streit and Andy MacDonald bottom pairing guys on other teams? Seems to me Wisneiwski played top four minutes for Anaheim last year and is on Montreal’s top 4 since he was traded. Bottom pairing defensemen don’t fetch second round picks. Streit, when healthy, is one of the best and most underrated defensemen in the league. MacDonald is turning into a terrific young defenseman, solid in his own end and can handle the puck when called for. Are they Nicklas Lidstrom? No. Are they good NHL defensemen? Yes, ones most NHL teams would like to have on their teams.
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by David Hanssen on Jan 2, 2011 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
what i think he means...
is that even the worst of those guys were still bottom pairing defensemen on other teams and we blew through them with the injuries and had to resort to reese and company
and I think DH's point was that he was wrong to refer to Wis, Streit, and AMac as bottom pair guys
and I might add that Martinek is only a bottom pair on a very deep defense. He is a top shutdown guy whose main problem is staying healthy.
I know
We do have top level guys but the others like MJ, Hillen and Gervais are no worse than bottom line NHLer’s. Streit and Amac are without question top guys
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Glad we got a really solid prospect, though for once I'd like to see us bringing in an actual NHL player
Our oldest player on the ice right now is Mark Eaton at 33. We have a total of 4 players on the ice who are 30 or older.
I’m glad we at least got a prospect that’s further down the line. I see more upside to this than getting another draft pick that 6 months from now will still be at least 3 years away.
by all accounts, he is pretty close to being an NHL player and a very good one at that
tremendous trade by Garth.
Win-Win Situation...
I see it as a win-win situation, with the short term edge going to Tampa. Sad to see Dwayne Roloson go, but overall, I thought he played very well for the Islanders and I wish him well in the future.
For Tampa, they get a good upgrade in net, especially if they are going to make a deep playoff run this season.
For the Isles, making the Roloson trade now as opposed to closer to the trade deadline means a few things. Most importantly, I think they were able to get a higher return in a trade now than they would have two months from now. I don’t know anything about Ty Wishart, except from what I’ve been reading in the comments. I am guessing that Wishart goes to Bridgeport, at least initially. However, it is nice to get a player who may be NHL ready in the near future as opposed to a few seasons from now.
This does make DP the clear #1 for the Isles, and I am assuming that Nathan Lawson is brought up as the backup netminder. It would be wise to let Poulin and Koskinen remain at Bridgeport, where they should be able to see more game action.
A nice deal
T Bay gets a serious upgrade in net. He’ll likely be even better in Tampa where they limit the number of shots alot better than the Isles and have alot more talent around him. I suspect he will struggle the first few games as he gets used to where the shots come from (like he did initially in Edmonton after coming over from Minny) but then settles in and gives them a legit shot to do some damage in the playoffs.
In a year where there have been some questions about the depth of the draft I think the return of a solid/promising prospect is a far better return than any pick from the Bolts would have been. At 22 this guys still really young for a Dman and could develop into an extremely solid performer. Could also have an affect on which direction the Isles decide to go with their number 1 pick if it’s a toss up between forward and D though I still like Larson.
Perhpas the Isles now sign or claim Nabokov when he is signed. Could we see them sign him or claim him and then deal him to another contender? They may also deal another D man before the deadline but I still think they are poised to pick up a player from a cap strapped team as we move forward.
DP needs to own this..
I am not overly pleased with another future prospect added to the fold but i am willing to look at this differently. Dp needs to step up now more then ever and show he can be a number 1 goalie. Injuries aside i think this might be Snow’s way of putting the ball in his court and seeing what DP is made of. I don’t expect him to lead us to the playoffs or anything but i would like to see the consistency and overall play improve from a #1 draft pick.
The rebuild continues….
Certainly puts the onus on DP to prove his durability down the stretch
Which is probably a good thing. Time to do, or do not.
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why would you be displeased with getting an almost NHL-ready blue chip defensive prospect?
This guy was a mid first round pick who may well be a terrific second pairing guy in 1-2 years. What’s not to like? It is time to see what DP has. Worst case scenario: he goes down and Lawson and Poulin mind the nets for the balance of the season. Should lock us in for the pole position for the #2 overall pick. We are a rebuilding team, embrace it!!!
Rebuilding shouldn't last forever!
I completely agree with getting young guys with upside but i’ve seen this all before on LI. I just want the team to commit to winning not rebuliding every 5 or 6 years after we trade away all the prospects we acquire. Of course i am just ranting here because i am starting to lose the faith that this organization will ever compete on a level with top NHL clubs.
I understand but
You shouldn’t blame Garth for the Milbury years. He started the rebuild in the summer of 2008. He has had three drafts and is in his third rebuilding season…and look at the talent he has collected. As I have said before, it took Devellano five years to get a winning record out of the Wings and the Ilitches gave him an unlimited payroll at a time when there was no cap. Gotta be patient!
by BCISLEMAN on Jan 4, 2011 1:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How does this affect the cap?
Not quite sure but would assume moving Rollie and Wiz for 2 picks and a prospect puts us even closer towards the cap floor.
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Yes, ever closer
I explained it in this post, but CapGeek has the goods. Potential bonuses still keep them above the floor.
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yeah Staples made that point as well
Garth does not have to take on more salary. A trade for a veteran forward or a vet G if DP goes down are not impossible, but I wouldn’t count on either.
If Wang really is pinching pennies as many suggest
There is now just a little extra for him to offer out to potential FAs.
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thought Garth should have gotten more for Wiz
but this is better than I could have realistically expected for Roli. It may free Garth to draft either Couturier or Landeskog or maybe, if we get some lottery love and have the #1, have a big trade down with Boston at the #3. I see Wishart (we have replaced the old Wiz with the new Wiz) as being a key piece of the future championship core.
Yeah, wishart is essentially a 1st rounder, and acquiring him is like acquiring a mid-late 1st rounder in this draft or better, so great job garth.
John Tavares=The Franchise, The Future, and still only 20yrs old, SO GIVE HIM SOME F**KING TIME TO MATURE CRITICS! Not everyone is Wayne Gretzky(although Tavares did break some of his records....tee hee)
as I have said on another thread
This is far BETTER than a first rounder. Their first would have been several years away and not likely have the upside of Wishart. This is better than even I could have imagined.
Well put. Agreed.
John Tavares=The Franchise, The Future, and still only 20yrs old, SO GIVE HIM SOME F**KING TIME TO MATURE CRITICS! Not everyone is Wayne Gretzky(although Tavares did break some of his records....tee hee)
All of a sudden (or maybe NOT) deHaan becomes a very big question mark.....
…..if Calvin demonstrates greater durability as well as skills truly allowing for a quarterback role alongside Streit (and also how Mark himself bounces back) then Larsson (presuming we are in any sort of position to draft him) may just not be the way for us to go; we seem to have a VERY impressive stable of defensemen at all levels and need to be focusing much more upon improving our offensive potential up front…..
Agree
The top 3 forwards, Couturier, Nougent-Hopkins, and Landeskog may not be Stamkos, Tavares, or Taylor Hall but they can play and be producers on first lines
Very interesting with de haan.
I never thought de haan would turn into anything more then a good complimenting PP point man and an overall #3 30-40pts d-man. Definitely no #1 successor to streit. Larsson would be just that. I just don’t see how you can pass on Larsson, a touted good-great no brainer future #1 d-man. No one in this sytem is going to fill streit’s shoes, so passing on larsson would be a huge mistake imo. It’s not like de haan is bad, but acquiring larsson would definitely make him a lot more expendable, but I doubt we trade him. Keeping him would be great, his game is similar to a-mac, but with less physicality and more offense. Very interesting situation. I am highly sure wishart is in our future plans given his touted excellent top 4 shutdown prowess, size, and offensive abilities, you can pencil in hamonic into the future, and a-mac likely never moves. With the future nhl d-core of a-mac/hamonic/wishart/de haan and possibly larsson, this team team looks very very promising defensively.
John Tavares=The Franchise, The Future, and still only 20yrs old, SO GIVE HIM SOME F**KING TIME TO MATURE CRITICS! Not everyone is Wayne Gretzky(although Tavares did break some of his records....tee hee)
We forget too
That most places have DEPTH or DEVELOPMENT going on IN their farm systems. We continually think about our big club because our draftees keep showing up here. Reality is that next year, our BPT lineup could be CDH, Donovan, Kessel, Ness, Katic, Kohn, DeHart. We could end up moving Reese, Wotton, Klementyev, or whoever the hell else we have down there…Especially if we end up sending Gervais and/or Hillen down there too. That is where prospects are SUPPOSED to develop, and really, most of the mentioned names could benefit by being down there until they’re 23, not 20. If we are packed up here, and prospects start to develop at BPT, we make trades like Tampa just did for positions of need. None of these guys are really question marks, they will play where they have to play until they can crack a hopefully solid lineup. If not, development in BPT—>get good—→get traded. It is a new, but better problem to have. Look at the Yankees, they are always able to trade their prospects…because they hype them, keep them in the minors where they look good, then they become Curtis Granderson, and do OK for the other club, but often not spectacular.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 2, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good point. Interesting.
John Tavares=The Franchise, The Future, and still only 20yrs old, SO GIVE HIM SOME F**KING TIME TO MATURE CRITICS! Not everyone is Wayne Gretzky(although Tavares did break some of his records....tee hee)
I think I really like this trade
For a two reasons
1. We got a 22 year old with lots of upside for a 41 year old who is solid but probably doesn’t have too many years left in him. Also, assuming RDP is past his injury problems he is going to be number 1 (whether we like it or not).
2. It tells me that Garth is actually working with a strategy, planning his moves out several steps ahead, like he is playing chess. Maybe I am giving the benefit of the doubt that he is not just making haphazard decisions like trading away Wiz for draft picks. I think he was either working on this trade when he dumped Wiz or at least had a few routes he wanted to follow after moving Wiz. This was probably one of them. He got good value for the 5’11" 200lb Wiz, more than he paid for him so to speak. Now he has filled a potential gap on D with a 6’4" 222lb body that seems to have lots of potential.
Could this also be a move that shows us Garth realizes the season is toast and he is now indirectly steering us towards a better draft pick by moving their best goalie?
Seems like a great trade for a rebuild.
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I would bet there is that sort of coordinated plan going on
AMac-Jurcina come back, Hamonic excels = opportunity to cash Wiz in. Wishart fills that organizational hole. Last year he did that minor-league swap for Reese right before dealing Sutton — which was huge since A-Mac got hurt the next day.
Honestly, I hope this is also a sign that they want to figure out pretty definitively what they have in DiPietro. He’ll always have that injury question mark, but going into next year they need to get a clearer idea of what’s there and if they need to import another Roloson type.
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BPT v NOR
They have two games on the weekend of the 14th. With Marty back soon, and Wishart, hopefully getting a few weeks to work in the Isles system, he should be in BPT for at least that long. I’m looking forward to his return home. .. got a feeling cairns may be spending some time with him as well.
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I want Cairns
To spend time with everybody. In fact, I would appreciate him enrolling the boys in UFCs ultimate fighter next season. I would like to see Frans develop a right cross to go with that backhand!
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 2, 2011 11:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I want Cairns To spend time with everybody.
If you could get him to spend some time with me, that would be great. 
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 2, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
I can give it a shot...
I’m sure this approach isn’t gonna work….I’d probably have much more luck asking nicely!
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 2, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I love this place...roflmao
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Oh man
Never seen that one before. Very nice.
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