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The Barely-Landers

While discussing the Travis Green trade from yesteryear with Dom, I brought up J.J. Daigneault's short term with the Islanders due to that trade. Dom mentioned he had totally forgotten that Daigneault had been an Islander. With the discussion of the Islanders All Decade Team and the Cry-Landers, it got me to thinking what would happen if you made a team of players who have less then 25 (or so) games played for the Islanders.

Thankfully hockey-reference.com has a list of all skaters and a list of all goalies. The games played stat is sortable to make life easier. Because someone will ask, yes Ryan Smyth does count. Same goes for Roberto Luongo. But it might be more fun to name people whose Islanders stint is long and forgotten. After the jump are my choices for the Barely-Landers.

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1st Line

Andrei Vasilyev - Martin Straka - Mike Iggulden

Vasilyev was the Islanders 11th round pick in 1992. He had a 15 game career with the Islanders and 1 game with the Coyotes before going back to play in Europe. He managed 7 points in 10 games during his best season with the Islanders in 95/96. As a 30 year old he returned to North America to play in the ECHL for the Idaho Steelheads, putting up two good seasons to end his career.

Straka was part of the three way deal that brought Bryan Berrard to the Island. in 22 games with the 95/96 Islanders he put up 12 points which was good enough for 14th on the team. For some reason the 23 year old former first rounder was waived and picked up by the Panthers. Eventually Straka returned to the Penguins who had originally drafted him and had some great seasons. To make matters worse even at the end of his career he put up back to back 70 point seasons and a 40 point season to finish his career with the Rangers.

Iggulden, the undrafted Cornell product had 5 points in 11 games during his 08/09 Islanders stint. During his AHL career he had 237 points in 306 games. Following his time with the Islanders organization he played last season in the KHL for Dynamo Riga finishing with 33 points in 55 games.

2nd Line

Brent Grieve - Johan Davidsson - Richard Zednik

Grieve was the Islanders 4th round pick ion 1989. After playing 3 games for the Isles in 93/94 he was traded to the Oilers, for whom he put up 18 points in 24 games. Over the following 3 seasons he played for the Blackhawks and Kings, finishing his NHL career with 36 points in 97 games. Following a 7 year retirement, he played two seasons in the EOSHL for the Whitby Dunlops in his final year putting up 37 points in 15 games.

Davidsson was a part of the trade of Jorgen Jonsson. In his 14 games with the Islanders he had 6 points, nearly matching his previous of 8 points in 64 games. Following his stint with the Islanders he returned to the Nordic countries. He still plays today, putting up a career best 46 points in 58 games for HV 71 Jonkoping last season.

Zednik the one time 40-50 point a season player spent some time in the twilight of his career with the Islanders. He scored one goal and two assists in ten games for the Isles in 06/07, and did nothing in the playoffs. Zednik proceeded to sign with the Panthers in the offseason having two good seasons for them before playing last season in the KHL.

3rd Line

Dave Archibald - Jim Dowd - Michel Bergeron

Archibald once had a promising career, a former 1st rounder taken 6th overall. At 18 and 19 in his first two seasons he put up 66 points in 150 games. After four seasons with the expansion Senators he probably was never going to be the same again. The Islanders signed him before the 96/97 season and played him for a total of 7 games. That was his last year in the NHL.

Dowd was one of those hard nose defensive forwards you loved to have on your team. Following his heroics with the Devils and their 95 Stanley Cup win, he bounced around before ending up with the Canucks. The Canucks left him on the waiver list and the Islanders claimed him for the 96/97 season. The Isles used him all of three times during the season and Dowd signed with the Flames after the season. Dowd went on to be a steady NHL player, even twice captaining the Minnesota Wild.

Bergeron in his first full season was third on the Red Wings in points for the 75/76 season at all of 21 years old. Following a disappointing second season (Including a -40) he was traded to the Islanders. He bounced back with 15 points in 24 games for the Islanders and a +16, and the Islanders traded him to the Capitals. Bergeron went on to play a season with the Caps before disappearing into the Minors and then from hockey.

4th Line

Jason Simon - Mark Janssens - Jim Cummins

Simon was brought in as a free agent for the 93/94 season, playing a total of 4 games. In those 4 games he had 34 PIM, 25 of them in a single game. Not exactly surprising considering that in 122 AHL games he had 517 PIM, and in 218 IHL games he had 1,197 PIM. He did manage to change his game, coming back for two seasons in the OSHL at 37 and 38. In 07/08 his final season he played in 29 games getting 24 points and only 42 PIM.

Janssens was the long time goon for the Rangers and Whalers in the early and mid 90s. He came over as part of the Travis Green trade, played 12 games managing 34 PIM in that time before being traded from the Islanders for a 9th rounder. He played three more seasons with the Blackhawks. In his NHL career he played 711 games and had 1422 PIM.

Cummins bounced around the league for most of his career, most prominently for the Blackhawks in the mid 90s. He was traded to the Isles for Dave Roche and in 10 games he had 31 PIM. He even went on to play a single game in the 01/02 playoffs and got himself 9 PIM. He played one more season for the Avalanche, finishing his career with 511 games played and 1538 PIM.

1st D Pairing

Randy Hiller - Darcy Regier

Hiller was mostly a physical defenseman for the Penguins and Bruins during the 80s, even putting in a few 20 point seasons. He was even a part of the 90/91 Stanley Cup winning Penguins team and signed with the Islanders before the 91/92 season. He played all of 8 games before being traded as part of the Pat Lafontaine deal. He played another 28 games that season which ended up being his last in the NHL.

Regier was drafted by the California Gold Seals, and then transferred with the team when they became the Cleveland Barons. He played 15 games for the Barons in 77/78, and was in the minors for the next few seasons. He played 11 games for the Isles during the dynasty years in 82/83 and 83/84. He was eventually part of the trade that brought J.P. Parise to the Islanders.

2nd D Pairing

Darren Van Impe - Milan Tichy

Van Impe was another of an endless line of veteran players picked up towards the end of the season for a late round pick. Van Impe was picked off of waivers earlier in the year by the Panthers, and then traded to the Islanders for a fifth rounder. Although he had a 14 game stint with 3 points and a plus 6, his playoff play was somewhat improved with 4 points in 7 games but a minus 5 for the 01/02 series. He played one more NHL season before playing for five years in Germany.

Tichy played two seasons for the Islanders, with 10 games played 4 points and a plus three. He also had an impressive run with the Denver/Utah Grizzlies of the IHL for two seasons. Tichy went on to play in the Czech league for a year before disappearing from hockey. Today he is actually the regional scout for the Bluejackets in the Czech Republic.

3rd D Pairing

Ron Smith - Raymond Giroux

Smith was a 4th round pick for the Expansion Islanders, but at that time it was the 49th overall pick in the draft. At 20 he made the Islanders for an 11 game stint, 2 points and a minus 8. Unfortunately that was it for the NHL for Smith as he spent the next 4 years toiling in the minors. He went on to become the interim coach of the Rangers in 1993. Following that he went into politics and became mayor of Port Hope, Ontario from 1994 to 2000.

Sometimes we joke about how playing for a weak or a bad team might scare someone off, but it appears to have happened with Giroux. In 14 games with the awful 99/00 Islanders squad he had 9 points and an even +/-. After that season he went back to Europe for a year playing in both the Swedish and Finnish leagues. He returned to North America to play another season for the Sound Tigers and Islanders. He went on to play mostly for the Devils farm teams and two 11 game stints with the Devils themselves before returning to Europe. He has since had a solid career playing in both the Russian Super League and the KHL.

Goalies

Steve Valiquette - Richard Brodeur

Big Valley as Valiquette was known during his career in the minors with the Islanders, was always someone who was on the outside looking in when it came to the Islanders goaltending prospects. Why the 22 year old Valiquette was not given more chances instead of 32 year old Wade Flathery is beyond me. The 6'6 goalie played in 6 games in the 99/00 season, putting up a .949 SV% and 1.87 GAA for best on a team with very talented goalies. Eventually someone did give Valiquette a chance, unfortunately it was the Short Island Smurfs.

Someone else probably knows why the Islanders traded for Richard Brodeur despite having Billy Smith and Chico already on the roster. He had an impressive run with the Nordiques in the WHA, but with the Islanders he played all of 2 games and spent most of the year with the CHL Indianapolis Checkers. To make matters worse, when they gave up on him they sent him to the Vancouver Canucks. The same Canucks who would make a Cinderella run behind Brodeur to the 82 Stanley Cup finals and face the Isles.

You don't have to make a whole team if you don't want to. Just tell an interesting story about someone you remember having a short stint with the Islanders. I would have never known that a short term Islander went onto become a short term coach of the Rangers and finally a long term Mayor of a town. Also if you know why some of these guys dropped off the face of the Earth feel free to inform me.

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Straka is a must.

Two other guys that occurred to me: Tony Hrkac and Craig Janney, though Janney was absolutely worthless by the time he was an Islanders.

And then I guess he’s just barely over 25 games, but I’m surprised you didn’t mention AHL goal machine Jason Krog! (He also lasted much longer though, so it felt like he was around a while even if he only played 28 NYI games.)

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by Dominik on Sep 9, 2010 2:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I was thinking about Janney, but I didn’t feel like ranting again about why in the hell we traded a late round pick for a guy with 1 season left.

There was a lot of Centers, it was harder to pick out wingers.

Krog I didn’t feel like I could say anything different then when I listed him among my “Prospects that didn’t make it” or else I would have.

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by Mark D on Sep 9, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tony Hrkac and Jason Krog are the inaugural faces upon what I call ‘the Mount Rushmore of terrible Hobey Baker award winning Isles’

Claude LaPointe didn't make as good a pun, sadly.

by LaChance at Glory on Sep 10, 2010 10:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Cummins

Had one of the gutsiest fights I have ever seen against Dale Purinton of the Rangers. Short stint, but this was all heart (and probably a matter if survival). I remember seeing pictures of him after this fight and he was a disaster and I believe he cried during a post game interview. It was weird, like he thought his career was over???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMMulWG1eAU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

by Keith Quinn on Sep 9, 2010 3:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

wow, that’s an incredible fight.

The only thing I can think of is that he definitely thought he was at the end of his career. The previous season he had played 70ish games, and played only 12 that year. But the next year the Avs signed him and gave him 55 games to finish off his career.

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by Mark D on Sep 9, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yashin Fight and Hat-trick

That was the same game that Yashin had a first period hat-trick and there was a huge brawl in the second period where he actually got into a fight. We killed the Rangers at the Garden on a night where in the stands we outnumbered them. Easily one of my favorite regular season games of the last 15 years.

I was incredibly impressed with Jim Cummins and his desire to play tough. I wish he could have been with the Isles longer. He could have been the next Bomber.

by DanNOLA on Sep 10, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That fight

Must have been the Salo/Cloutier retribution fight. I think in that one, Czerkawki held the guy, and Yash broke the guy’s nose. It may have been Stock? I feel like after that game, whoever it was never played for the Rangers again, and may have been out of the NHL shortly after. Can never find that one on YouTube though!

by Keith Quinn on Sep 10, 2010 2:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

It was kloucek

And hockeyfights.com doesn’t have it as video. Just a review

by Keith Quinn on Sep 11, 2010 12:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Big Valley

Valiquette was spectacular in his 6 game stint with the Islanders in the 99/00 season. Unfortunately that season with Lowell, a player steeped on Steve’s bare foot with a skate and severed all the tendons in his right foot, ending his season and any shot to appear with the Islanders again and surpass Flahtery.

That offseason was the drafting of DiPietro, and the trading of Luongo. Valley would be a great backup in Bridgeport and, while I was working for Hockey’s Future, an always reliable player to chat with and get good insight from. I could see him as a coach when his playing days are over.

by Jones79 on Sep 9, 2010 5:04 PM EDT reply actions  

ouch, that explains what happened to Valiquette

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by Mark D on Sep 9, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

damn shame about Valley

I always liked him too. There’s a great bit in Alan Hahn and Peter Botte’s book, Fishsticks, about the post-Torrey Islanders – basically, Butch Goring has Luongo and Flaherty… and then He Who Shan’t Be Named goes and gets him Felix Potvin. So Luongo is going to the minors, right? Well… nobody told Butch the plan so he winds up sticking his foot in his mouth on the subject. Meanwhile, Steve Valiquette plays well in his call-up; Potvin is flipped for Scatchard, Muckalt, and Kevin Weekes (actually, a darned good trade); Flaherty barely plays… It was a mess.

Next season, what happens? Of course, the Islanders keep…. FLAHERTY. HWSBN promptly undoes his finest deal by turning Weekes into a barely-used Raffi Torres (there were some spare parts involved, but that was it, in essence)*, Luongo was of course the center of THAT TRADE, and Valiquette got hurt. We get VBK and Chris Terreri floating through in support of RDP and Flaherty. Later we get Osgood floating through, Mike Dunham floating through… Snowie floated all the way up to the front office, ending the Reign of Error, but thanks to RDP’s macrame physique, we have Biron floating through, Rollie floating through… I can’t wait to see if Koskinen or Lawson can actually keep the job for more than three weeks.

82 days into my latest contract approval process

by mikb on Sep 9, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

PS
  • I forgot the rest of the undoing –
    Weeks, as above
    Muckalt involved in THAT OTHER TRADE
    Scatchard’s best years were here, and then he walked as a free agent.

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by mikb on Sep 9, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmm, that doesn’t sound right.

Didn’t the Islanders get Potvin after Salo went down the previous season, and Cosineau had a pretty bad 4 game stint as starter?

Salo wins back the starter position from Potvin, but the plan was all along to trade Salo, which is done at the end of the season. Then Potvin is penciled in to be the starter for the 99/00 team, he sucks, and his contract forces him to be traded.

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by Mark D on Sep 9, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

damn

Salo and Flaherty… SALO. And Salo won the job back from Potvin. Luongo was in there too.

I know I read it recently, I’ll have to go back and pay better attention!

82 days into my latest contract approval process

by mikb on Sep 9, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ancient proverb

The Chinese say: “Don’t mess with a man who just spent an all-nighter creating a Milbury trade flow chart.”

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by Dominik on Sep 9, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha, as much as I love that, it’s more like the insanity of the trade that will make me never forget.

You traded Bryan Berard to the Leafs for “Mr My Career is over Felix Potvin” because Salo was going to miss all of 2 weeks?!?!?!?

I think that was what finally pushed me over the edge of having any faith that Milbury knew what he was doing.

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by Mark D on Sep 9, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Lost faith

That’s an interesting question there: At what point did you lose any remnant faith in Milbury? I’m not sure I could ever come up with an answer, because I know I tried to understand what he was doing for a while.

I do remember that the 2000 draft was where I reached the “Now I just can’t even believe this is happening to me, God must hate me” point.

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by Dominik on Sep 14, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

great idea, Web

For a while, the Isles were like the league’s halfway house for wayward hockey players… young kids trying to get right, like Andreas Johansson and Darby Hendrickson; older types playing out the string (Pat Conacher) or looking for another chance (JJ Daigneault); or guys who actually weren’t very good (Rob Davison – though at least he scored the longest goal in NHL history).

If you stretched the cutoff to fifty games you include a lot of those mid-90’s types, like Troy Loney, Bob Beers, Vladimir Orszagh, Dmitri Nabokov… half the time they looked like a HS football team with all those 50’s, 60’s, and 70’s skating around the place.

82 days into my latest contract approval process

by mikb on Sep 9, 2010 5:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Feel free, I just used 25 because once you got up into the 40s and 50s there were a good amount of prospects who were traded for nothing.

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by Mark D on Sep 9, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chris Ferraro only played 11 games scoring 4 points. I remembered him since he played in Vegas at the end of his hockey career.
Dean McAmmond played 24 games after the trade 2 years ago.
Mitch Fritz recently had 20 games
I mention D-Man Dallas Eakins and his 2 games only because in his 120 NHL games, he never scored a goal. I think he’s the answer to a trivia question.
Raimo Helmenin 24 games and 12 points before going back to Europe after 89 season. I saw him play on occasion.

And least we forget that total busts Scott Scissons, selected #6 overall in 1990 with his whole 2 games and #14 in 1976 Alex McKendry with his 10 games. Mike Luit had more points than McKendry. I know these are the worst, but should get a mention

by FireGarthSnow on Sep 9, 2010 9:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Gotta mention Todd Okerland, son of Mean Gene Okerland who played four games back in 87-88; Recent prospects Jesse Joensuu and Matt Martin; and my personal favorite Steve Junker!

by poco on Sep 11, 2010 10:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Had I known that about Todd Okerland, I would have definitely added him.

Recent prospects aren’t as fun, they’ll get their chance in time.

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Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.

by Mark D on Sep 11, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cliff Ronning. I served him dinner at the outback in Island Park one evening after a game. He scored a pp goal, but the Isles lost. Nice guy, but yet another square peg in a round hole for the Isles…

by Brian Frazee on Sep 11, 2010 2:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice!

Love random anecdotes like that.

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by Dominik on Sep 14, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Darcy Regier
He played 11 games for the Isles during the dynasty years in 82/83 and 83/84. He was eventually part of the trade that brought J.P. Parise to the Islanders.

Either there’s a typo or something else is wrong here. J.P. Parise was acquired (with Jude Drouin) during 74-75 IIRC.

What's the score, boys?
What did Bugs Bunny do?
What's with the Carrot League baseball today?

by StorkFan on Sep 12, 2010 12:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Web has to work on a pre-Milbury flow-chart!

I looked it up, it’s a typo – he was traded for Parise and Jean Potvin, but it was the other way around…. the Isles sent those two away to get Regier.

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by mikb on Sep 13, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, that makes more sense to me now.

What's the score, boys?
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What's with the Carrot League baseball today?

by StorkFan on Sep 13, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

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