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Dwayne Roloson and that Magical Number

With the season getting closer, there are a lot more people putting out their predictions. For the Islanders the most commonly cited negative is the easiest one to spot. Our beloved curmudgeon in crease, Dwayne Roloson, is turning 41 this season. Common sense in the NHL says that 40-year-old and beyond goalies are in the absolute twilight of their career. Thus most analysts are quick to pick out Rollie as one of the main reasons the Islanders won't be competitive.

It makes sense, at least until you look closer at the numbers. Yes, 40 and older goalies are a rarity in today's game. But to say that Rollie is going to drop off just because he's 40 or he's more likely to be hurt because of his age just seems silly. Among active players Roloson is eighth in games played at 512, with Marty Turco (509) and Jean-Sebastien Giguere (492) right behind him. Meanwhile, ahead of him is Tomas Vokoun (575), Roberto Luongo (612), Chris Osgood (733) and Martin Brodeur (1076).

Health-wise we all know of Brodeur and Luongo's recent injuries. Vokoun has a long history of dink and ding type injuries, including finishing last season on the injured list. Although Osgood isn't projected to be the starter for the Red Wings, he is expected to be an adequate backup. In that mold he too has a history of small injuries especially to his hands. Giggy has a recent history of groin injuries. Turco and Rollie are most alike, suffering from a few bouts with the flu over both their long careers. Yet of all these goalies, it seems to be Rollie that is getting the most attention to suffer an injury and hurt the Islanders chances.

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Instead, I want to offer you this idea. That Dwayne Roloson may still be a quality starter for the Islanders not just this season, but next year as well. Yes, if the Islanders don't trade Rollie at the deadline I can see him returning to help ease in one of the prospects or even Rick DiPietro. The last two seasons were the first time in Rollie's career that he's played back to back 50+ game seasons. For a very large portion of his career he's been struggling as either a backup or in a platoon system.

From the 77-78 season until the 05-06 season, only one goalie even played at 40 years old: Tony Espositio. Since 05-06 Dominik Hasek, Eddie Belfour, Sean Burke and Curtis Joseph have played at 40 or older. Of them only Hasek and Belfour played as starters, getting 40+ games on the season. Why then believe that Rollie can make it to 42?

  • Curtis Joseph was at 900 games played before he even turned 40
  • Sean Burke was at almost 800 games played before he turned 40
  • Eddie Belfour was at 850 games played before he turned 40 and before his final season at 41 had 900 games played
  • Dominik Hasek before his final season at 43 was at 690 games played

At this point to even catch up with Hasek's total, Rollie would have to play back-to-back 80-game seasons and he would still be 18 games away. While teams have gotten more patient with goaltenders, there are always going to be guys like Rollie who don't break into the league until their late twenties, and training techniques and conditioning have improved to give goalies longer careers.

You don't have to be a great goalie whose kept around in the twilight of his career in the hope of recapturing the magic. Burke and Joseph were hardly great goaltenders, but they were able to stay at least average long enough to reach 40. If you sign Rollie you aren't expecting the world, instead an average steady goalie who can keep you in games. As long as those are the expectations on him, and people aren't expecting him to top his .930 SV% when he took the Oilers to the finals, he'll be able to deliver.

Last season every team looking for a goalie passed up on Rollie because he wanted two years. Last year we heard the same people saying the same things about Rollie that they are saying now. When you look at more than just his age, you can see why it's easy to believe he'll be back again.

Also, Rollie has a history of surprising people. I'm sure the Wild when they traded him didn't expect him to lead the Oilers to the finals. Or that he would still be playing at a high level while Manny Fernandez got traded for Petr Kalus and Fernandez sits by the phone waiting for a call. I'm sure the Oilers didn't think Rollie was the only thing holding their team in competition when they let him walk for the Bulin Wall.

Rollie has a long history of being a fighter; I'm sure a part of that is making the league at 27 and knowing how lucky you are to even be there. Unless something crazy happens, I'd expect Rollie to still be ready to go at 42 or maybe even 43. Can he fall apart between now and then? Sure, but the same could be said for just about every other goalie in the league. Don't count Rollie out till he's out.

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Get out of the sticks, Charles, move to Queens!! Come, Get some respect a Professional team deserves!!

by Martys301 on Sep 3, 2010 12:08 PM EDT reply actions  

haha, got it on the first comment.

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by Mark D on Sep 3, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny

Look at the people behind the glass. The range of emotions goes from heavily sedated to giddy. The guy on the far right has had one too many while at least 2 women are looking at the game and thinking “huh”. Even with the ply directly in front of them, people have their heads turned and are talking. That close to the action and one guy is watching the scoreboard.
  It’s ironic. Although you can’t see his number, the gray skates are a give away. Bruno.

Get out of the sticks, Charles, move to Queens!! Come, Get some respect a Professional team deserves!!

by Martys301 on Sep 3, 2010 12:15 PM EDT reply actions  

My favorite pics are from when the Islanders Play the Rangers at home. There’s always some well dressed Ranger fans in the crowd, and the looks on their faces when KO scores a goal are priceless. There’s also another pic of a kid in a rangers uniform behind someone from the Isles as they celebrate a goal and the kid looks like you just told him Santa Claus wasn’t real.

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by Mark D on Sep 3, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's tough and has to be a play it by ear situation

If Rollie would ever consider being a backup in the nhl instead of starter, I believe he could extend his career 2-3yrs just from that. But being a starter alone, I give him 1-2yrs left at being at/near his latest peak play. Time will eventually catch him, but he still has something to prove which will keep him going strong for at least 1 more season.
Starter: 1-2yrs left in his career, backup 3-5yrs left in his career.

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by OzzyFan on Sep 3, 2010 12:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I think as long as he doesn’t get hurt, that 43 would be his final year no matter what unless someone picks him up who can win the cup.

But totally agree on him fighting to prove something.

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by Mark D on Sep 3, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Age vs. Wear argument!

The way I see it, as long as Rollie keeps his physical fitness at peak, he can play at the same level. Mental reflexes don’t fade as quickly as the ability to execute them does, I fuzzily recall reading a couple studies about that (one of them was focused on fighter pilots, I believe?), so as long as he keeps his quick-twitch muscle intact to fling himself around the crease, he should be good…I think.

I don’t think that starts is necessarily the best “wear” indicator for a goalie, either – different styles have different wear patterns, certainly as is being proven right now with the stress being put on butterfly-style goaltenders by post-lockout play. (Hell, look at DiPietro – how many starts does he have, but what is his injury history? Exactly.)

My guess? 2 years as a “quality” starter, and another two as a 1A grade backup. Assuming no injuries, of course.

by MTBVibe on Sep 3, 2010 1:00 PM EDT reply actions  

as long as he keeps his quick-twitch muscle intact to fling himself around the crease, he should be good…I think. … 2 years as a "quality" starter, and another two as a 1A grade backup. Assuming no injuries, of course.

From your lips to God’s ears, says the 38-year old rec-league goalkeeper. Oh, and I hope Rollie’s OK, too. ;)

82 days into my latest contract approval process

by mikb on Sep 3, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

From your lips to God’s ears, says the 38-year old rec-league goalkeeper. Oh, and I hope Rollie’s OK, too. ;)

haha, now there’s two insane goalies around to bug Dom.

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by Mark D on Sep 3, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I surround myself with goalies so that I may look sane.

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by Dominik on Sep 4, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think that starts is necessarily the best "wear" indicator for a goalie, either – different styles have different wear patterns, certainly as is being proven right now with the stress being put on butterfly-style goaltenders by post-lockout play.

Yeah, I think it’s a complex issue and the butterfly phenomenon is definitely a big part of it. And whereas skaters (forwards, really) “lose a step” in repeatable breakaway speed, goalies don’t need their wheels in that way.

So does Roloson’s relative lack of mileage give me hope for this year? Yes, a little. So does his relatively clean injury history. Nonetheless, at this age I’d definitely limit his use by avoiding back-to-back nights whenever possible (I’d do that with every goalie actually, but especially with graybeards).

That’s why I hope they can get a read on DP’s form right quick and evaluate Lawson if necessary. If DP can’t hack it, they face the double-whammy of losing DP and overplaying Roloson.

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by Dominik on Sep 3, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Conventional view: He’s old so he’s more likely to be injuried
I take the opposite view of the “conventional” view and here it is
Age is not the best indicator of future injury. Past injury pattern is the best indicator of future injury pattern.

The reason is this in a butterfly world of NHL goalies they are required to endure skeletal muscular feats of abnormal proportions. Either you have perfect biomechanics to endure it or you will get injuried. Even guys with near perfect (but not perfect) biomechanics will have breakdowns after awhile(especially the hips/Knees ie DP and scary scary Mikko K already) Rolo is probably one of the few if not only starter to be injury free for his NHL career. Think about it, If you haven’t been injuried in 16+ years of professional hockey you probably have perfect biomechanics .

And wear and tear is really all about biomechanics

by neologizer on Sep 3, 2010 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

and scary scary Mikko K already

Yep. Bears watching, that.

Also, since someone might bring it up: Of course he did have that MCL injury during the 2006 finals, but that was off a high-impact collision — some Oilers fans still blame Marc-Andre Bergeron — and given the circumstances, even that incident didn’t do a lot of damage to his knee.

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by Dominik on Sep 3, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dam, I forgot to mention that cause I was using the SBNation list of injuries and it slipped my mind.

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by Mark D on Sep 3, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

The injury concern...

Is only the beginning for me as I am also worried about a regression to the mean for Rollie. He stood on his head alot last year. He doesn’t have to get hurt just return to some semblance of normal and the team will struggle.

by Styxcanada on Sep 3, 2010 7:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Not sure about regression

I know BenHasna has gone more into this somewhere around here, but if you look at Roloson’s overall year it wasn’t really a standout year for him — he had some great runs where he carried us, but he also suffered some big games (particularly when his starts were intermittent). I’m the type who generally fears “Oh man, how can he repeat that?” but I’m just not sure repeating last year would be all that different from his career norm.

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by Dominik on Sep 4, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually when we averaged out MacDonald’s and Danis’ stats from 2 seasons ago, it was almost identical to Rollie’s stats for this season. The big difference (at least in my opinion and nothing official) is that Rollie kept the Islanders in games until the 3rd period. With a young team and somewhat fragile confidence it was important for the Islanders to not lose periods on the scoreboard when on the ice they were the better team for a period.

To sum it up, although Rollie was an average goalie, it was more about when he gave up goals that made the Islanders a better team when he was in net.

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by Mark D on Sep 4, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

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