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Dear Players: Sorry if the CBA makes GMs spend wisely

"It's really unfortunate," said [Willie] Mitchell, 33, whose new two-year $7 million deal expires at the same time of the current CBA. "I think it's a flawed CBA in that aspect. A lot of good hockey players are having to wait a lot longer because teams are giving the young guys at chance at training camp. The reality is, as a GM, you have to give those younger guys a shot or else you risk losing them to free agency. It's just an unfortunate product of the current CBA."
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"For sure, there's a strong possibility that in the next CBA you can see that changing," he continued. "I know as a union that's something we'd like to take a look at, that's for damn sure. Guys like Brendan [Morrison] have worked their whole career and next thing you know the young guys are getting the shot even those he's paid his dues for a long time. Like I said, it has everything to do with free agency. These kids are free agents at 25 and 26, signing big contracts. Now you score 25 goals and you're getting $2.5 million if you do it once. Brendan's done that multiple years [sic], but they want to tie down these young guys or risk losing them to free agency."

>> [emphasis and sic mine] Vancouver Province, via George Malik via Puck Daddy

Here's the thing: Morrison scored 12 goals last year, on the only team in the league to register over 300 goals (313 excluding faux shootout goals), getting top-six minutes while playing against middle-of-the-road (at best) competition. That was after netting a whopping 16 goals with Anaheim and Dallas the year before, which followed an injury-truncated year of netting nine goals in Vancouver.

In fact -- how's this for irony? -- that magic 25-goal mark Mitchell refers to: Brendan Morrison has only done it once. Seven seasons ago.

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That's not entirely his fault: he's a center, a setup man. But it does shoot one of many holes in Mitchell's "woe is the dues-paying veteran" theory of the NHL CBA. Nothing against Morrison, but by one account, Morrison has logged about $21 million pre-tax dollars in his career -- nearly $14 million of that since the lockout that initiated this big, bad CBA that has cruelly forced the league's veteran masses to forge day-to-day for food.

I'm not being a jerk: Most of us fans actually like the "wise, grizzled" mystique of veterans. We like players who "pay their dues." That doesn't mean they should be the highest paid. That doesn't change the reality of the human body and athletics, which sadly shows that very few players are still worth top dollar when they hit their mid-30s (where Morrison is, incidentally). Ask Brendan Witt fans whether -- despite paying more painful dues with one shot-blocking foot than your average center pays with his whole body -- that means he's entitled to another lucrative contract, if any NHL contract at all.

NHL Careers are Short. Sometimes They Should Even Be Shorter.

You know which guys on the Cup-winning and regular-season-dominating Blackhawks were over 31 last season? John Madden (36) the checking forward. Brent Sopel (33) the at-best #5 defenseman. Christobal Huet the discarded goalie (34). That's it.

The original Province piece doesn't quote Mitchell directly on this but says:

He was talking about the laundry list of veterans around the league that still don't have contracts for this season. Guys like former Vancouver Canucks' Brendan Morrison, Scott Walker and Kyle Wellwood as well as Billy Guerin, Doug Weight, Darcy Tucker, Steve Begin … I could go on and on.

If that was the type of player Mitchell was referring to ... are you freaking kidding me? All of those guys may have something left to give, but it's in minor roles -- not top-dollar ones.

Back in the day when money was no option to your un-capped Leafs and Rangers of the world, they could dump $3 million on each vet who's "paid dues" and chalk it up to an investment in "valuable playoff experience." But today, when every dollar must be spent carefully (because we have a system designed to protect a league consisting mostly of teams that cannot afford to spend them carelessly [see chart]), you actually have to evaluate -- and pay -- players based on what they are likely to do. Not what they've done.

Why, perish the thought, some of us fans are actually happy the CBA has forced GMs to be smarter about where they spend their money -- even though it's caused some of our favorites to exit stage right.

Today players pay their dues through the hard cap of the entry-level contract, plus the limited flexibility of the RFA and arbitration system (which, I might add, still pay out a handsome sum). After that, if you can make it to unrestricted free agency and cash in, you've done well. With younger unrestricted free agency, you can even do that while you're still in your athletic prime, your late 20s-early 30s. If you've made it to your mid-30s and still expect to be getting raises each year, you probably don't understand the relative worth of each player to a team.

I'm sorry if that cuts off the multi-million-dollar money pipeline. It is a hard league to crack, after all. But as someone who's spent quite a bit of disposable income to watch the league over the years, I'm well aware that if you can still play, there's still plenty of fan-generated revenue to get your hands on.

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So Willie Mitchel...

Comes from the Milbury school of GM’ing?

How exactly is a youngster supposed to prove himself at all if you won’t get rid of or move a player that’s “Paid his dues”

It’s funny because we’ve been talking about how long sometimes it takes to develop players. I mean for all intents and purposes he’s basically saying that no youngster deserves a second chance to make it in the league.

And I think we can argue that most of the people on his list of “Good guys who don’t have contracts” probably should take a second and think about whether their bodies can even take another season of hockey beatings. Maybe some of them should. Worst case scenario do what Satan did and just wait till something opens up.

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by Mark D on Aug 30, 2010 5:14 PM EDT reply actions  

That's what I don't get
Worst case scenario do what Satan did and just wait till something opens up.

I’m actually pretty sympathetic to the fact these guys usually have families and would appreciate some certainty with schools, location, etc. by September, but … they know they’re in a very rare and narrow job field, right? They must know how hard it is to get there, so they ought know how hard it is to stay. A lot of them, I’m sure, could take a lesser salary to sign in July/August. Or they can go to camp on invites the same way non-“dues”-paying youngsters have to.

Heh, other than that, I’m not sure why I felt the need to rant about this. As a whole, I don’t think pro athletes are very good at realizing the small earnings window they have (in terms of time, not cash).

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by Dominik on Aug 30, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

*cough*

15-year contract for butterfly goalie. . . .

by AP77 on Aug 30, 2010 5:34 PM EDT reply actions  

holy cow

Poor Willie Mitchell, scraping by on well over the league’s average salary. Dom’s right – outplay the kid if you want your job. Or don’t sign a $5.6 million deal and play worse than an off-the-rack backup keeper. Or sign for a little less so the kid is not as attractive an option just becuase he’s cheaper. Not only will you keep your job, you’re more likely to have good teammates because your GM can hide – uh, surround you with good talent and ice a better squad.

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by mikb on Aug 30, 2010 5:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Hmmm...

Its interesting how this works. Mitchell may have a point that some older players who are actually better than some younger players, are getting shut out because they cost too much. Well that wasn’t exactly his point which I found difficult to tease out of his rambling, but it is probably true that the best 600 or so willing players are not necessarily filling out the rosters. The discrepancy between entry level and UFA salaries is so drastic that a still viable player can find he’s priced himself out of the league. Not only do teams want to save money but they have to stay under the cap. In a non-salary-cap world a rich team may sign a 35yr old journeyman UFA even if he’s just a little bit better than some 24yr old kid ready to make the jump from the AHL. With the salary cap, even if they’re willing to spend the $$ they can’t because they have to stay under the cap and that’s not the most efficient way to spend it.

Still you’re right that they want to much money. The only thing is – entry level and arb-eligible players are probably getting less than what they’re worth. Now these marginal, older UFAs have to compete on salary with underpriced players to extend their careers. It may be a little unfair.

by TMS on Aug 30, 2010 6:59 PM EDT reply actions  

The only thing is – entry level and arb-eligible players are probably getting less than what they’re worth. Now these marginal, older UFAs have to compete on salary with underpriced players to extend their careers. It may be a little unfair.

I agree, and to that extent (and I’m sort of picking on Mitchell here) it’s up to the union if they want to try to level things out a bit.

It seems the structure is set up right now as you describe: rookies and arb-eligible players are a little underpaid, essentially leaving room for UFAs to cash in on the open leverage. Mitchell and those types seem to leap from that basis to [not his words] “So we deserve to keep getting overpaid, because we’ve paid our dues.” When in reality, a UFA could easily take a job with an NHL club if he’s willing to lower his demands closer to … what he’s worth.

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by Dominik on Aug 30, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its interesting how this works. Mitchell may have a point that some older players who are actually better than some younger players, are getting shut out because they cost too much.
They are not getting shut out, they are shutting themselves out. There is no player in the NHL getting shut out because they cost too much unless a team perpetuated the problem by giving them a contract that pays them far more than they are worth (Huet, Redden, etc) If an oder player is genuinely better than a younger player and he wants to play, he will play. Maybe he will make “only” a million or so dollars instead of signing some gigantic contract. Boo hoo. We are not talking about someone having to support a family working at Taco Bell here, we are talking about people who are already millionaires.

Mitchell and those types seem to leap from that basis to [not his words] "So we deserve to keep getting overpaid, because we’ve paid our dues." When in reality, a UFA could easily take a job with an NHL club if he’s willing to lower his demands closer to … what he’s worth.

BINGO.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Aug 31, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I thought almost everyone in the nhl earns their spots anyway?

And maybe Willie Mitchell hasn’t healed fully from that concussion talking like this, lol I kid I kid.

Go isles or Go home.

by OzzyFan on Aug 30, 2010 8:55 PM EDT reply actions  

The Union...

Has played a role in this as they put pressure on players and agents to maximize the deals they get in hopes of pushing all salaries up. There was some rumbling in the past from the union and specifitic players when a few margue players agree to sign longer term deals for what where percieved to be discounts at the time (Thornton and Crosby both accepted less than they could have demanded). Perhaps it should be up to the union to impose some type of tax so these “dues payers” can have a little more money shuffled their way by the players if they really feel strongly about it. I’m sure Wailen Willie would be happy to cough up 10 – 20 percent of his salary to subsidize those good guys so they would be willing to suffer along with a lower salary.

I felt this way during the lockout and it still hasn’t left. Most of these guys wouldn’t be CEO’s or anything if they weren’t playing hockey. If you told them they wouldn’t get paid more than $100,000 to play the game plus having their expenses covered I doubt many of them would walk away.

by Styxcanada on Aug 30, 2010 9:12 PM EDT reply actions  

The Union has played a role in this as they put pressure on players and agents to maximize the deals they get in hopes of pushing all salaries up.

Totally. As always, the union’s interests are actually an uneven balance of different classes within their ranks.

Perhaps it should be up to the union to impose some type of tax so these "dues payers" can have a little more money shuffled their way by the players if they really feel strongly about it.
Agreed. If they really want this, they’d essentially have to go back to raising the UFA age so that salaries are depressed until age 30 or 31 again, and then the “dues-payers” cash in on the overpayments. Of course, the environment now is much different than a decade ago: GMs are more aware of an older player’s limitations/actual value, so they might not find the UFA going as good as they used to at that age.

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by Dominik on Aug 30, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

‘They took err jerbs’

by Anarcurt on Aug 30, 2010 9:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Well done.

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by Dominik on Aug 30, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm...

I am almost certain that the players are the ones who pushed for this system of free agency. Now they are complaining about the GMs following the rules? Sad.

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by BReynolds on Aug 30, 2010 11:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Don’t you know players are never happy about a CBA no matter how favorable the terms are for them? Its obviously Mitchell is just having sour grapes about not getting signed. He didn’t even think to fact check before going off on his rant.

There are few things in this world I enjoy more than the English getting beaten like a rented mule.

by David Hanssen on Aug 31, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

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