Sim City: Islanders keep Jon in the fold
"Jon brings an unmatched work ethic and veteran leadership to our lineup and we're excited to have him back for the upcoming season."
>>Islanders General Manager Garth Snow in the team release
Color me surprised. The contract is a one-year, two-way deal though, so this is a case of some potential continuity and back-up depth for a cheap (again) price.
Sim, you'll recall, was among a handful of veterans mired in discontent during Scott Gordon's first season as coach. (Whether he was in the misunderstood "bad apple" crew -- and whether that matters -- you be the judge.) That led to a late 2008-09 demotion to Bridgeport, followed by a new leaf of sorts in 2009-10, when he played the good soldier and talked anew of doing whatever he could for the team with his 11:39 of ice time per game.
Last season he wasn't used against tough competition and didn't drive the play in a Corsi kind of way, but he was a serviceable bottom-six forward who threw his weight around, went to the net -- seriously, all of our wire photos of Sim have him in the goalie's face -- and agitated when others would not. As noted in our stat season in review, Sim led all Islanders by drawing 13 more penalties than he created.
When considering Sim's now-continuing Islanders tenure, it's hard not to recall his promising training camp in 2007, fresh off a three-year contract and looking to impress -- then immediately derailed by a serious knee injury just two games into that season. No doubt at this point he'll bring an appreciation for how precious NHL jobs are, hopefully another veteran voice in the room.
And if the young wingers angling for jobs beat him out in camp, well that's what the two-way deal is for. It keeps all parties hungry.
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terrible
just terrible… i have been waiting 3 years to get rid of this guy. this is the first move that the isles have made since dealing Mark Parrish that has actually made me upset.
Obviously im happy its a two way deal and if they utilize him properly solely as a practice squad/ emergency injury fill in its a good deal for the team. But if I see him on the ice on opening night taking minutes away from Matt Martin (who fills the same role) im firing my remote through my tv or finding the first ranger fan I can and slugging him hard
I expected the Sim rage to flow
He’s pretty benign in my book: He doesn’t get a lot of minutes, doesn’t really take minutes from anyone more deserving, draws more opposition penalties in less time than his teammates, and actually mixes it up on a team that doesn’t do much agitating. If and when they have better options I hope they’re not shy about using him, but I see him as a depth signing who’s a low-risk, known quantity.
That said, of the free agents I thought they might re-sign, he was low on the list. I’m pretty shocked.
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Team chemistry
I dont know if anyone else saw the game when Andy Sutton came back to play against us but he seemed to go pretty far out of his way to make sure Jon Sim took a few good shots to the face…and thats in a game where he played clean hard hockey against us but absolutely smashed sim illegally. To me that tells me he has been wanting to do that the whole time and hes probably not the only one.
Thats not how a beloved member of a lockerroom gets treated you would have never seen him do that to doug weight… who is a solid veteran leader as opposed to an undersized underskilled non-respected weasel.
Sim is a Goon without the Goonery. Just a scrub
LOL. I remember that, but who knows if it was Sim or Sutton doing the hating/beloving? If Sim is disliked in “the room,” then that’d be a misread by Snow. Or maybe Snow likes the idea of a vet desperate for a job keeping people on edge. Who knows. It’s low risk.
Actually, when I saw that Sutton-Sim incident vs. Ottawa my first thought was that Sutton wanted to send a message that Sim wouldn’t be able to agitate him the way he does others. Of course, in the process Sutton took a penalty and got thrown out, so … Advantage: Sim.
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Be fair
I also remember seeing that and didn’t he go after Frans Nielsen right after he sucker punched Sim? You saying Nielsen is a jerk too?
Also, a goon is someone who fits and can’t do anything else. Sim scored 13 goals last season, 6th best on the team. He was the only player who went to the front of the net.
Don’t get me wrong he doesn’t deserve to be with the big club but I see nothing wrong with a guy be rewarded for hard work night in and night out. So he’ll play in Bridgeport, what’s the beig deal?
OOooohhh that's right!
How could I forget that he went after Frans?! I’m the biggest Official Frans Fanboy out there. I even referenced it in the headline that night.
What the hell is going on with my memory? That’s it, people: Please stick around, but don’t trust anything I say or “remember,” as obviously I’m not capable of remembering what I ate for breakfast anymore.
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King Z, I am asserting that Snow cares a lot more about the team as a whole than he does about Jon Sim as an individual. IMO its irrational to assume otherwise. Dont you agree?
Now that thats established, doesnt it logically follow that if Jon Sim WAS some sort of “problem” with all the other players, that he would NOT be brought back here?
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by TheMetalChick on Aug 3, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I don’t get the Sim backlash. He’s really not an awful player given his role. He goes out there and does his job.
by MatthewM11 on Aug 3, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
awful move!! just awful!
and chris botta knows its a terrible move because he turned the comments off for the post announcing his signing. cowardly move if you ask me but not surprising. if sim plays more than 10 games this year i’ll be upset.
kingz is right, matt martin can play the same exact roll only younger and with more potential and speed. how is this guy back on the team sim is a complete waste of space.
by orngfan on Aug 3, 2010 12:52 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
and chris botta knows its a terrible move because he turned the comments off for the post announcing his signing.
I would venture that if he turned the comments off it’s hardly an admission of anything, but rather a sign he didn’t want the post to become just another punching bag for everyone who unleashes kilobytes of venom about a fourth-line forward.
Seriously, I understand people aren’t enamored with him — I could take or leave him myself. But fourth-line grinders get cheap two-way deals. That’s what Sim got.
If instant fan favorite Matt Martin proves his worth (or the Finn named Jesse? Or even Ullstrom?), I’m sure he’ll get his due.
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by Dominik on Aug 3, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
chris botta knows its a terrible move because he turned the comments off for the post announcing his signing
What a strange theory. CBs commetns sections are nothing BUT pissing and moaning 99% of the time.
He turns off comments because he is no longer paid to moderate his Islanders board, he works for Fanhouse. Thats the entire explanation of it.
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by TheMetalChick on Aug 3, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
This SIMS Redicoulous
The last three comments: +++++11111, I was 100% sure him and Park would be gone. I do not want him on the ice opening day, he had his time here, its time for Matt Martin. Im OK with SIMS at the bridge but NOT at the expense of one of the propects who may be reday to start!
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by Dominik on Aug 3, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
since you brought up The Sims…

is this an acceptable reactionary shot?
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MATT MARTIN
THAT IS THE BIG QUESTION. I’m fine with him as a bridgeport guy, possibly even a depth FOURTH liner. But on opening day if I see his name in the 4th line and not matt marting or joensuu, maybe even pareantu, then I believe this is a terrible terrible signing.
Go isles or Go home.
How can you be so sure of Martin already?
Seriously, I love Martin’s potential and you have to bet he’ll be an NHLer, but do we have reason to believe he’s ready to step in opening night? To me this is insurance on that front. I think we expect prospects to develop on a smooth curve too often, when reality is a rocky road filled with girlfriends, living on your own for the first time, and discovering nightlife.
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by Dominik on Aug 3, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
aside from drawing more penalties and arguably having a better shot right now
Sim isn’t a better choice for the 4th line. Martin adds more stuff the isles need then sim does. Martin throws hard checks, we can always use that. martin adds height, which we are in need of. Martin adds toughness, he will standup for his teamates and has shown he will drop the gloves. Joensuu is the other option. Again, a lot more upside then sim. He throws his checks better then sim, he plays a very solid 2-way game, he adds more size then martin, and from scouting reports, has a shot worthy of making him into a future 20goal or better scorer. Both have spent 2yrs in the ahl and deserve some nhl time to see what they can do, and what better place then the 4th line as an experiment? We will never know what they are capable of until they play some nhl time, and the sooner the better imo at this point in their careers.
Go isles or Go home.
I certainly hope Martin and even JJ (in truth, I don’t have much hope for JJ) reach that, but I haven’t seen/heard evidence that either is “there” yet — certainly not enough to say they need to win a training camp battle first. Neither has exactly torn up the AHL. (Fun fact: Sim had as many goals in Bridgeport in 18 games as either Martin or JJ (+1 actually) did in full seasons there.)
But maybe this photo on the Sound Tigers homepage is a good sign:

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There's a problem though.
Sim, although shows light at times, is an incredibly inconsistent player. So much, that last year was one of the best seasons he’s in his whole nhl career at the aging age of 32, while injury shortened 2008 could be argued as one of the worst seaosns of his career. Sure he has potential, but age 32, so do a lot of other players in the minors, specifially JJ and MM. I don’t see why they can’t fill that 4th line role while having more upside. We need size, and I’d 100% prefer seeing MM or JJ taking that in front of the goalie spot then sim and prefer having a 6’2’’+ young full of energy guy on the ice then an aging agitator that’s inconisistent and past his prime.
Go isles or Go home.
I think we have different definitions of 4th-line players then. All of their counting numbers will appear “inconsistent” over a career — if they weren’t inconsistent, if they were more reliable producers, they wouldn’t be fourth liners. They’re like middle relievers, doing a yeoman’s job, highly dependent on opportunity and the luck of the draw.
Again, I’m pretty confident Sim won’t be blocking anyone who proves they deserve the role, once (and if) they’re ready.
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by Dominik on Aug 3, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Your right there.
But as I stated, I’d rather have a young gun with fire and a lot of potential (definitely 3rd line, possibly 2nd line or up) in that spot as an experiment then a 32yr+ old guy who we know is an inconsistent career 4th liner then? Looks like a no brainer to me if given this scenario.
Go isles or Go home.
I mean, ultimately I would too. I don’t really care if Sim makes the team, I just think he’s acceptable insurance if those guys aren’t ready, and I’m cautious about thinking they will be. I see a lot of wild cards here in Martin, JJ, Sim, even Nino, so I’m glad Snow is providing options. (I would have loved if one of them was named Frolov, but dammit if I don’t always get my way.)
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lol
Now we are somewhat on the same page. Since we have to move forward and say we are playing for the future, the present is the best time to see if our young guys are the real deal or at best full time 4th liners. THAT is why I want them given that spot over sim. I have no problem with sim as a depth 4th line reserve, he fits that profile great. But as a starting 4th liner again, that makes me mad because we keep on saying we are preparing for the future and the best way to do that is to see what we’ve got to use in a couple years right now.
Go isles or Go home.
Martin and JJ are due a shot..but its not guaranteed. I know I am in the minority when I say I want veteran 4th liners that know their position and aren’t just out to rest the first or second line. Along that line of thinking, I like Sim AND Park.
These two do not get all the press and they shouldn’t…but remember, you can’t have 4 First lines. Apparently everyone wants players capable of miracles for the 3rd &4th lines.
Get out of the sticks, Charles, move to Queens!! Come, Get some respect a Professional team deserves!!
He's fighting for that 4th line spot right now, 2-way or not, that's what's going to happen now
Go isles or Go home.
Competition is good.
If a youngster can’t beat out Sim for a roster spot, does the youngster automatically deserve it still?
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Good question
Depends. Do we want to win now and feel we have a chance for a solid playoff birth or run? If so then choose whoever wins it out of camp. If we feel we don’t, then start the young gun to get him some nhl experience. But others are right. We will have a couple injuries, minor or not, that will open nhl time for the young guns.
Go isles or Go home.
To take that training-cap competition a little further, I think if Martin or JJ cannot beat out Jon Sim for a spot in training camp, then they need to get their learning experiences by playing more minutes back in the A.
But as with Gillies, I think all of this revolves around flexibility and having guys you don’t mind losing to waivers. I get the feeling the Bridgeport Shuttle will be getting a lot of miles this year.
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ehh
……its cheap, it’s one-year, it’s two-way, it’s not going to stop them from playing someone better if they need too. Who cares?
Surprised...to say the least. But not shocked.
I look at Simmer this way: If any of you watched the Hershey Bears last season on their way to the Calder Cup (and for several seasons prior to that), you’ll know who Chris Bourque is.
He’s that type of veteran leader that is able to put points up at the AHL level, fill in occassionally on the big club and mentor the youngins on the farm. That’s how I view Sim’s signing. Hence, the two-way contract.
Does Jon get any consideration from Garth if he doesn’t score 23 points (13G, 10A) in 18 games at the Bridge? Definitely not. However, looking at that kind of performance and Simmer being a known quantity within the organization, it’s kind of a no-brainer type of signing.
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good point. It could be along the lines of why Mark Wotton is on the roster down there. He’s a non prospect but means so much to the development of the other guys. They signed Yablonski too to raise hell down there and protect the young prospects. It’s clear the Snow is paying more attention to creating a winning culture in the Bridge.
And again, if he winds up on the Island, it won’t be at the expense of a young guy who’s ready to contribute (see: Martin)
Mentor
I dont want our prospects being tutored by Jon Sim… His hockey IQ is terrible. He plays like a dog chasing a tennis ball then just gets it and shoots it (miserably) every time. He goes to the net but thats not something to be taught its either something you do or you dont… If our young guns learn from him we will have a team that has no concept of passing or puckhandling
not necessarily mentoring, b/c what could he really teach anyone that relies on skill, but he’ll make the team down there better overall I think, which like I said, is something Snow appears to be paying attention too. Bridgeport has been out in the first round of the playoffs the last two years and last year was the last seed I believe. W/ DeHaan, Hamonic, Petrov and possibly Martin and Joennsu (sp?) down there still, I think he just wants to make the team more competitive. I think he’s trying to give the young guys a taste of some success.
I’m not saying Sim is going to absolutely do that, I’m just saying Snow isn’t dumb and he has a reason for resigning the guy and this could be one of the reasons
Not giving Sim enough Credit
Sim was an undersized scoring forward when he was drafted. When you look at his career he’s shown flashes of that in his minor league stints. Realizing his limitations he changed his game into a hard nosed grinder and has managed an NHL Career of nearly 500 games. Not only does he bring that to the table, but almost none of the players on last years BP had over 100 games in the NHL. Most served short stints here and there. Someone who has that much experience can bring the reality quickly to youngsters in the AHL of what the NHL is really like.
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by Mark D on Aug 3, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Good points. If he puts up some scoring for Bridgeport that’d be a nice bonus for those reasons.
And if you’re Sim, and you see the market and way of things, you probably have two choices: Hang it up now, or keep the fun job alive — and at least with the NYI you’re either in the Bridge or on Long Island, as opposed to a long flight away like some teams and their AHL affiliates. Not a bad gig, all told. Beats office work, ha!
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I have to say the guy does play with passion. He’s a annoying barking dog who parks right in front of the net and takes a constant beating and goes back for more. A number of Islanders could take his effort example and pick up their game
Heh, I do remember he was one of the only guys who mitigated Avery’s toolishness.
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by Dominik on Aug 3, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know! It’s nice to see someone sort of cancel out Avery’s jackassery.
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Bergenheim light
At 1/2 the cost probably. Two way deal which means he knows his role and his time in the lineup. Really, a no-brainer of a signing, he will only effect someone else’s roster spot if he’s lighting it up, and if that’s the case, we would all take it. Not a Sim fan either, I was on the “get rid of Park, Sim, Gervais” train all last year.
by Keith Quinn on Aug 3, 2010 1:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I'm OK with it for now.
I expect him to be a mainly BP player next season and in that role it is a good signing. If he plays more than 20 games for the main club and it is not due to injuries or some miraculous late career resurgence I will rage but for now I see no problem. If a LW (or 2) go down it is good to know you have a NHL expirienced player to call upon.
I pretty much see it that way. None of the youngsters are any guarantee (despite the love for Martin, which I share in despite a lack of much evidence), so the dynamic of a desperate veteran trying to extend his career like Mike Keane isn’t a bad thing, I’d think.
Gordon was never shy about limiting Sim’s role/minutes, and Snow took the difficult step of sending Witt down (and buying him out), so I’m imagining hockey sense will prevail whenever that kind of decision presents itself.
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Anybody think we're seeing a shift in "The System?"
I think about signings like Wiz, Zenon and now the return of Gillies/Sim and suddenly there’s a whole lot of snarl/agitation being made available, if not necessarily being explicited placed on the nightly lineup.
Obviously the Isles are a long way off from being a goon squad but you’ve got to wonder if this goes beyond just adding “grit” or if it’s maybe evidence of a contingency plan of some sort.
Agitation-forecheck to create/capitilize on extra powerplay time? Maybe between that and the shoot-out we could actually make our way to the playoffs in 2011.
when they signed Yablonski, I think it was Botta (or maybe it was here – if so apologies) that the tigers younger, smaller players were often picked on when Gillies moved up to the big club, despite the presence of Martin. And I think the same could be said at times on the Island. Seems like they wanna know what kind of skill they have and now their signing some guys that will create the space for that skill to come through on the Island and the Bridge.
grit/shift disturbers
It’s possible. I really thought they did this last year: Reich, Haley, Morrency, Gillies joining Rechlicz — those guys struck me as a lot of sandpaper but Reich had bad injuries and Rechlicz flamed out, among others.
I tend to see Zenon, Gillies and Yablonski (and now Sim) as possible evidence they want more experienced ruffians at both levels, the “Rechlicz on the Job Training” program having not worked out so well.
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not to mention
If guys get hurt, Sim’s ready to go. He may not be the first option, but if the first option is unavailable, nice to have a plan B – or whatever lower letter you prefer. Some of you may have to move to a Cyrillic alphabet for this… :)
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Agree with Surprised
Of the Sim/Park duo, I expected Park to be the one to return, not Sim.
I think the reality is this is a deal to help Bridgeport and have players who can be called up in an emergency. BP is going to be a solid team on Defense and in the Crease, but the Forwards are paper thin, especially if Jonessu and Martin both make the NHL.
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Instructions for Sim Signing
1) open door to fridge
2) insert head
3) slam door
4) open door
Repeat steps 3-4 until exhaustion. When you wake up the next day repeat entire list.
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you need to step away from the ledge... or the fridge
If Sim was signed to be our first-line LW… or to check the Ovechkins/Crosbys of the world… or for three years one-way at a gravity-bending number… yeah, I’d hold your drink while you threw up about it. But this is a bargain-bin, one-year, two-way deal for a fourth-liner. This is really small potatoes.
I mean, it’s not like the Boogaard deal, right?
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by mikb on Aug 3, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It is the pain of watching easy goals miss the net
If he is a b-port call up then I will be fine with this but I believe that is not the case. There are so many memories I have of watching an open net with nothing but Sims’ jersey in front of it and simply witnessing a force of nature blow the puck above, to the side, into the chest protector of the goalie. Now I see that Garth is bringing that force of nature back for another tour.
Like I said, if he is b-port then great but I have a feeling that my fridge is getting a workout this season.
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lol
There are so many memories I have of watching an open net with nothing but Sims’ jersey in front of it and simply witnessing a force of nature blow the puck
I can’t fault you for this!
My latest contract is for 31 years.
Really I swear that I have nothing personal against him and he may have the greatest work ethic in the world but watching him in the offensive zone is an act of S&M most of the time. I’m sure he is Marv Albert’s kind of player. I realize that he had a decent amount of goals, and I will admit that some of them were pretty nice, but it was the easy ones…the ones that you wanted to put the puck in yourself that forced me into the fridge. He makes me wish that I drank more than necessary.
On the flip side I can easily point out that if he did not try and did not have the work ethic that drives him I probably would not be so emphatic about my position regarding his ice time. If he did not skate so hard there is a solid chance that he would not be in a wide open position to miss the net. So, I acknowledge his effort. It is his luck/finishing ability that eats me alive.
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The 4th-liner's Curse
First off, I do not deny any of the charges. (Well, I may need to ponder the S&M for a bit … okay, done. All good.) But I do think it’s the hard-working 4th-liner’s curse to leave gaping chances unfinished.
As one example, it’s been fun hearing people “discover” this side of Jamal Mayers as he’s traveled from team to team over the years. The man busts his butt to get breakaways, often shorthanded breakaways … only to fire wide or into the goalie’s chest.
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But I do think it’s the hard-working 4th-liner’s curse to leave gaping chances unfinished.
AKA Claude LaPointe Syndrome.
My latest contract is for 31 years.
I loved Claude. I even have a Claude Lapointe jersey. Facts be told there probably isn’t too much of a difference between their styles except that Claude was aided by Webb and that tandem was incredible. Sim on the other hand…well he isn’t fortunate enough to have a Webb on the wing. However I don’t remember the last player that had so many WIDE open nets that just couldn’t even hit one of the bars.
Bonus: I took a friend to his first hockey game the year that I got my Lapointe jersey and we were sitting along the goal line in the second row on Boston’s side. the B’s were on the PP and Borque was on point. Claude jumped the route, tapped the puck out of the zone, beat Ray Borque and then scored on (I bleieve that it was Andy Moog) for the SH breakaway. I looked at my friend and pointed at the jersey. he looked at me like I was a prophet. It was really funny but it was even funnier when I explained to him that Lapointe hardly ever scores off of those.
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Man I love stories like that. Stuff like that and hearing my wife ask out of nowhere, “Is Rob Schremp Hockey still around?” is what it’s all about.
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I really can’t wait for that Boogaard game against the Isles. That will be some team building in the making. If they can make Sather look foolish for that decision then I will be a happy man.
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I want to see the matchups
Boogaard’s job is to fight and throw checks, although he is getting a premium payment to do it, it’s his job. I just want to see if this doofy guy can take a konopka or gillies in a fight. The way gillies fights, I don’t see how boogaard would beat him (matchup wise, not size). Konopka I’m not so sure, but konopka is a very entertaining fighter that gives it his all at the least. Funny thing is, Sather said this signing was made to protect LUNDQUIVST, not even gaborik or callahan or prospal. lol
Go isles or Go home.
Sather said this signing was made to protect LUNDQUIVST
From ICE SHAVINGS, no less! I love it. Sather’s cranium is a fascinating, cigar smoke-filled place.
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Now I see the idea
Boogaard’s going to save Lundqvist from the scourge of the NHL – the Ice Girls.
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Lundkvist
Was run about every shift last year (except when we played them…sigh) he seriously does need protection because that D over there is softer than even ours. And I’m sure slats doesn’t want Staal off the ice for fighting majors (if he even can do that).
by Keith Quinn on Aug 3, 2010 6:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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honestly this didnt make me mad when i first heard about it, i honestly just stared at my monitor and scratched my head. Out of Park Bergie and Sim, Sim was the one i least expected and least wanted back, but as long as hes really only on the roster in emergency injury situations thats alright i guess. woulda loved having bergenheim back instead though T^T
me too
Bergie back over sim would of been a no question in my mind, but people say bergies salary over sim’s would have been too much for the isles budget right now.
Go isles or Go home.
this is true
Bergie needs some humbling. I love em, but hes not worth a million dollars
by jcam1 on Aug 3, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the only thing sim had over bergie was a few more goals, but sim played 14 more games and bergie had more assists anyways. Plus bergie contributed to the PK, sim doesnt really do much outside of his 4th line agitator role. And as i recall bergie drew plenty more penalties than he took too. i need to stop before i get upset, boy do i miss him already lol
The only thing that surprises me...
… is the venom being put forth here. He’s simply our answer to Avery and the likes. Ranger fans detest Sim, which is reason enough to have him play against them. He gets in peoples’ heads, scores a few goals (13 is nothing to sneeze at, given the number of minutes he plays per night), and as Dom and others have said, draws more penalties than he is guilty of himself.
For a fourth line guy, I see no problem with keeping him around. Even if we have a fourth line full of his type, that’ll teach people not to take liberties with our more skilled players.
I advocate limiting rosters to 10 forwards (and then expanding by two Canadian teams to make up some – but not all – of the NHL roster spots) so that no team can afford to have goons on their team anymore. If that was the case, then I can see more reason to not want to bring Sim back. But until then, why not? Our young guys are going to have the majority of ice time anyway.
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Aug 3, 2010 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Not sure what you mean by:
“Even if we have a 4th line full of his type, that’ll teach people not to take liberties with our more skilled players” ?
Maybe you think he takes some attention off of them? But hardly. He doesn’t really protect Tavares or KO or JB or any of our top guys by being an agitator. Konopka, Gillies, and people of that sort are the ones that keep people off of the young guns, not Sim.
Go isles or Go home.
Different forms of "protection"
Let’s face it: None of those guys mentioned will actually play with KO or JT. “Protection” of this sort is all ambiguous.
So how do any of them “protect” the star, in the proverbial mythology of the goon-loving NHL? Well, the enforcers take their fellow enforcers out of the equation, and the slimeballs who agitate but don’t fight enforcers — i.e. Avery — are distracted away from spending all night messing with the stars by instead engaging with the types they will bother to tussle with, like Sim or, hopefully, Martin.
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Quick clarification
Understood. What I meant was that if you have 3 fourth liners who are either agitators or enforcers, and the game starts to get out of hand, with anyone from the opposing team taking a swipe at anyone on your team, then it’s time to swap linemates. Spread those fourth liners over the three top lines, and you’ll always have someone out there who the other team has to think about. I do not suggest doing this in most cases, but I can see times when our top players – many of which are on the lightweight side – are getting pushed around too much, that adding some muscle could help while still keeping two of the more talented players on each line.
If you only have one or two such players, there wouldn’t be enough of them to go around. You’d have at least one scoring line that would be undersized. More to the original point, however, is that Sim doesn’t just agitate and draw attention away from the more skilled players (whenever he actually gets to play on one of their lines, that is). He can actually put the puck in the net as well, so the other players still have a chance to do their job (score).
But I digress. I hardly call myself an expert in these things. I believe the Isles now have 12 forwards under contract, not counting AHL-ers. There will always be injuries (especially with our beloved team, or so it seems), so everyone’s going to be playing at some point.
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Aug 3, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree 1000%
What it looks like and what some others have said to some degree is that our fourth line is going to look more like traditional fourth lines (as compared to last year where it looked like Gordo threw guys out there to skate you into the ground, this year, we will hit, agitate and fight you into the ground). It may be that Garth and company are going to make guys try to play to their ceiling to make the squad, and to me, MM would be a 3rd liner ceiling in a perfect world, JJ a 2nd because he lacks the snarl and fight of a third. If they can’t be better in those spots than the guys currently there-Bridgeport. And if the 4th line is only getting 5-10 minutes a night, do we want MM or JJ there? The fourth line may be the most intact we have in Garth’s head.
by Keith Quinn on Aug 3, 2010 6:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I always thought he had pretty good hands – that he was just slow and small and not a terribly good skater either.
by TMS on Aug 3, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
YAY!
I am happy. Good bottom line guy :)
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
BTW
I had said Id take him over Bergenheim, and thats exactly what happened! Funny how things work out, huh? :)
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by TheMetalChick on Aug 3, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
RIGHT you ARE, C......
…..I ALWAYS liked Jon, thought he was a loyal, valuable piece to the ongoing playoffs puzzle and am quite happy he’s back, didn’t seem right he was to be let go; shows Garth can recognize who genuinely cares about this team. I have always had my druthers about Bergenheim; seemed as though he was just here for an extended coffee break – that said, he did contribute to a very respectable extent – WHEN he deigned to do so. It seems the same syndrome which rendered Sean comparatively inert in terms of his scoring has begun to affect Hunter as well; it’s a little bizarre, all in all. Or maybe just some sort of early aging…..
Ultimately, I'm a juvenile
Because I keep seeing TMC’s comment and reading it like so:
I am happy. Good bottomlineguy :)
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I’d laugh if he was not only in the opening game but scored a nice, greasy garbage goal for the Isles’ first of the season, lol.
by ilopan on Aug 3, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree. I really don’t understand how Islander fans can be pissed about this signing. We are talking about a hardworking role player who went out and did his job every game last year. Those are the type of players I would think fans would get behind. And he was signed to a two way contract, so people bitching about him taking a roster spot don’t know what they are talking about. He hasn’t taken anyone’s spot yet. We’ll see if someone like Martin steps and proves that he ready.
I'm ok with this...for now
I’m assuming he’s either spending most of his time in the A or rotating on the 4th line with weight gilles and konopka. If that’s the case then I have no problem with this, but if I see him on the power play again this year I’m throwing my tv out the window.
by RobsMustard on Aug 3, 2010 3:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Waiver Bait?
Sim’s on a two-way contract, but that just affects his salary. Isn’t he subject to waivers if he gets sent down? He may just be a depth signing that will easily ride the shuttle to the Bridge with little chance of him being “stolen” if he is demoted.
Correct
Waiver-eligible he is. I believe he’d even have to go through waivers to start the season in the A.
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If Martin is so ready for the NHL, he will play in the NHL.
Its a GOOD thing that he isnt pushed before he is ready, isnt it?
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by TheMetalChick on Aug 3, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Depth
That is all this move is about. The plan (and hope of Snow and everyone else) is that this pushes the guys like Martin and Joensuu in training camp and the expectation they prove they deserve to make the team. If they do, Sim goes to the Bridge and is only called up when injuries strike or someone goes ice cold.
If he makes the team, he will be nothing more than a 4th line sub. Would play some nights when Gordon wants more options, won’t play when they need more physicallity (Gillies). No big deal here.
by Lee F on Aug 3, 2010 5:47 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
What's the problem?
I really am confused how signing Jon Sim to a two-way contract has pissed off any Islander fans. Explain that to me. He is a hardworking guy who plays a limited role but does his job. He was signed to a two-way contract, so he hasn’t even earned a roster spot yet. he could very well end up playing out the year in Bridgeport. He is a cheap utility guy, an equivalent of a bench player in baseball. What I would do is give someone like Martin or Joensuue a chance on opening day but keep Sim in BP or as a healthy scratch. injuries are going to happen next year and having someone like Sim in your organization cannot be a bad thing.
by MatthewM11 on Aug 3, 2010 5:54 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Well, I’m not too pissed. It’s just a signing for now and there’s a pretty high probability Sim won’t play too many games this season. And I must admit he was fun to watch in some games indeed. So, yeah, why not. But I can certainly understand people who don’t like it at all because I’m not quite sure about the “he goes out and does his job” thing.
His job is not to draw penalties and stand in front of the net, that’s his role. His job is to add value to the team when all is said and done. Despite the upside he has in those two areas he could after all still not do his job properly therefore. Whether that really is the case is hard to tell. But he’s surely not a very good hockey player and I definitely think he’s a very big liability out there to his line mates.
My favourite stat from his last season is that he got only three assists until March 13 – two were great plays… That’s ridiculous. I know, he’s a 4th liner and everything, but really, how bad must your hands be and how frustrated must it be to play on a line with someone who can’t pass the puck.
I’m not quite sure about the "he goes out and does his job" thing.
I’m not enamored with his skillset or numbers (in fact it’s odd I’m in the position of defending him), but I do think there is some as-yet-unquantifiable value to the sandpaper/nuisance part of the game. The “get the other team off their game” aspect that comes when an agitator makes a distraction and the opponent focuses more on him than the task at hand.
It’s not something I really enjoy (except in Slap Shot), but you notice it when it’s not there and it’s the coach’s job to manage the minutes to do the least harm.
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the only explanation for the outrage is it’s August, we’re still a month away from training camp, 4 months removed from the season and we’re all getting a little antsy. In the grand scheme of things, this move will either help BP or be pretty meaningless for the Islanders.
Thoughts from Nova Scotia
Frankly, unless one of the prospects we have targeted as first, second or third line forwards REALLY establishes himself as BETTER than Sim, then I’d much rather see them develop in BP as a 22-24 minute a night top liner than sitting on the bench in NVMC playing 6 minutes.
This year’s target is PLAYOFFS, boys and girls. We want the blue chippers to be ready for 2011-12. Sim provides a suitable stop gap between now and then.
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Aug 3, 2010 8:40 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Very Few Islanders actually played less then 10 minutes a night last year, Jackman was the only regular to do so. If you want you can also consider Reichlicz and Gillies had less then 10 minutes, but we all know they had specialized roles for the team and weren’t going to be getting big minutes.
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