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Cap Trades and 2nd Contracts: Some overdue GM creativity

I'm admittedly a salary cap fan: I don't buy into the "But fans clamor for dynasties!" argument. (Which fans? The casual ones I don't care about, plus the fans of unrealized dynasties?) I don't buy that it's impossible to keep a team together in a capped world. It's harder, sure, but pick your core, don't make stupid or hamstringing bets -- in short, don't be Chicago -- and you don't have to implode your successful team. Even with their losses Chicago's core is intact. Having 30 teams with dispersed scouting knowledge is just as big a factor in thinning your odds of repeat championships.

My embrace of the cap was twofold: First, as advertised -- and despite widely touted flaws -- it keeps a relatively level playing field. Even with the rising cap, even with the $16 million payroll range, we're at a much more stable plane than the ridiculous disparity we had in 2004, when the Red Wings, Rangers and Flyers had $77M, $76M and $68 million payrolls respectively while the Islanders were at roughly $40 million. A narrower range and a hard cap frankly makes following the league more interesting to me.

But the second reason is the cap should theoretically create a lot more room for GMs to be creative with their assets, and that's a spin-off show that also makes the league more interesting. When everyone has relatively ironclad ceilings, that means in order to make moves you have to be creative -- something beyond begging your owner to spend a little more money. The "have-nots" can store some dry powder for use when a "have" has gotten into cap trouble. It's revenue disparity with a human face.

Star-divide

Cap Team, Meet Budget Team: Now Make a Deal.

For example, an internal budget team like Anaheim can take on two guys who have less remaining salary than their cap hits -- Jason Blake and Lubomir Visnovsky -- in exchange for two guys whose cap hits are lower than the annual cash remaining on their deal. Both teams win, and neither gains a major advantage from their revenue strength.

Or take Sunday night's (Monday morning's?) Rangers deal of Donald Brashear and Patrick Rissmiller to Atlanta for Todd White: The Rangers were stuck with The Donald's cap hit because they're run by Glen Sather, who doesn't think of things like "If I sign a fading goon who is 35+, I'm on the hook for his cap hit even when I realize he doesn't fit the team."

But by dealing Brashear for the more expensive White, they at least have a functioning hockey player for that cap hit. Meanwhile, Atlanta didn't want Todd White anymore, but buying out Brashear is cheaper than buying out White, so they'll take that deal and the open roster spot Brashear's corpse creates to make room for some of their pups to fight it out in camp.

Cap space matters to the Smurfs; cash matters to Atlanta.

But it can work even between two "budget" teams: We saw a variation of that when Garth Snow waited until arbitration season to pick up a defenseman who is of greater value to the Islanders -- a team whose high salaries are Mark Streit's $4.1 million (and Rick DiPietro's $4.5 million, if you must) -- than he is to the Ducks, who have significant money committed to Visnovsky as well as three big forwards plus, presumably, RFA Bobby Ryan. In that context, James Wisniewski's $3.25 million renewal makes more sense to the Islanders than it does to the Ducks. (And it goes a long way toward explaining why they bet a smaller annual sum on ex-Islander Andy Sutton.)

 

Second Contracts: They Don't Have to be Crazy

Finally, there's one more bit of gaming going on that bears watching:

Since the lockout, we've seen #1 overall picks and budding franchise stars get locked up to long-term deals. GMs, fearing rising salaries and predatory poaching from other teams with cap room, have taken to signing their kids for a little more (at an early age) and a little longer than they would have before. That's the undeniable trend.

But it doesn't have to be that way.

I tend to worry too much about Kyle Okposo, Josh Bailey and John Tavares' next contract. I know they are all key cogs to the Islanders' future, but how key? They probably aren't "superstars" in the making. They aren't worth blowing your payroll on -- not yet, anyway, but perhaps not ever. Yet their entry level clock runs at three years just like everyone else. I'd hate to be in the situation at the end of this year to face this thought about Okposo or Bailey: "I need to lock him up for 7, 8 years at a salary that requires his development arc to continue curving steeply upward."

Maybe those guys' projection will be clearer by May, but maybe not. They aren't the superstar type who steps in and dominates at 18 or 19, but they still could be the type who enters an elite level by age 24 or so. It would be nice to have the flexibility if needed...

Shorter Second Deals

...which is why what Doug Armstrong is doing with the Blues intrigues me. In David Perron and Erik Johnson, Armstrong has two first-round picks who stepped into the league at a green age (like Okposo and Bailey), and who have shown flashes of brilliance but also reasons for reservation -- at least reservation about whether they will be franchise stars to build around. (In Johnson's case, it was complicated by the fact he missed an entire year because of golf reconstructive knee surgery.)

However, their entry level contracts expired this year all the same, so new deals were due. Yet that doesn't mean Armstrong was just going to sign them for life and hope everything works out:

"Our younger players, when they're coming out of entry level, they've all progressed, but they haven't been defined. By taking contracts at shorter term, you allow them to grow and make a fair-market value moving forward."

Now, that's not what the agent for a #1 overall pick wants to hear. He went to the trouble of attaining the kid and retaining him through his entry level years -- he'd like the cash-in of a nice commission for the life of a long-term deal. The kind of cash that buys you nice cars.

In fact, Johnson's agent Pat Brisson even pined a bit {*this is the world's smallest violin right here*} about how normally a team locks up their #1 overall pick at this stage:

"Normally after two years, whether he has offer-sheet rights or not, the trend is to explore a longer-term deal and lock up your core players. That doesn't seem to be the case with the Blues," Brisson said. "So the course of the conversation has changed a bit. This is perhaps a direction we weren't intending to go down, but the Blues are looking for a shorter-term."

So the Blues signed both Johnson and Perron to two-year extensions at significant base-salary raises.

I like this. I like this a lot. Early in the post-lockout years, GMs behaved as if the cap would rise forever and they'd need to lock in their young guns at rates that would hopefully be discounts as the cap continued to rise. Now, finally in the last two summers -- finally! -- GMs and owners seem to have digested the fact that the world's economy rather sucks and there is no divine right of salary inflation.

For Armstrong, the situation presented the risk of a mistake by betting long on the wrong player (what if Perron or Johnson level off?) as well as a mistake by betting on the right player but at too high a salary (escalating it too high while the cap essentially remains flat). There's risk the other direction, of course: If Perron or Johnson really take off and if the cap rises, maybe their next deals will be bigger than what they would've signed for now. But this way no one's taking a giant leap of faith.

I'm pretty optimistic about both Okposo and Bailey (and later, you can add Tavares, Nino, perhaps de Haan), but in the case of the first two it's anybody's guess what they'll have proven at the end of this coming season, when both will be due their second NHL deal.

While Garth Snow has long talked of his cap space as an asset, it seems like it's generally taken GMs a while to look at the long-term picture in this way. (Seems like Sather still hasn't gotten there; he just waits for an accountant to tell him he's pushing the cap and should call Bob Gainey for a bailout.) Hopefully when it comes time to re-sign the Islanders young core guys, both GM and agent will look at the big picture and the reality of an evolving landscape -- and not just fall back on, "Normally after two years, the trend is to [agentspeak for making the agent rich]."

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Me, too, on the salary cap. The GM creativity angle is a fun one to watch develop. I think Garth benefits from his lack of pre-salary cap GM experience there. Doesn’t easily fall into the “it’s always been done like that” trap.

I wish baseball would also adopt a cap [and I’m a Yankees fan]. I don’t understand how the Royals, Twins, etc can keep their fans around when those teams are essentially development camps for the big market teams. Don’t see how that current landscape is good for baseball, long term.

Hopefully, the NHL cap will enable a few teams to move back to Canada [and Hartford].

by Hakker on Aug 3, 2010 10:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Baseball has gotten insane with that, it’s depressing (and I don’t really watch anymore).

The NHL’s salary floor is kind of dangerous for the low-revenue teams, but I like that it at least keeps the range close. Makes sense to me that if teams can’t afford to meet that floor, the league needs to either buck up with revenue sharing or reconsider whether the teams are viable.

Lighthouse Hockey: More defensemen than we know how to spell.

by Dominik on Aug 3, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Baseball

I have mixed emotions about this issue…It doesn’t seem fair that teams with deeper pockets should be allowed to just buy up the best players and win championships…That being said, just buying the best free agents doesn’t make a winner…There is allot more that goes into winning a championship…Throwing a gazillion $$$ at every star FA that comes thier way doesn’t win a championship…On the other hand, when the Yankees do win, I feel a little less excited, knowing we can afford to pay the best players and to keep them long term……It sucks that tampa cant keep Crawford and I wouldnt be surprised if the yankks got him next year, lol…I cant say, “I dont I feel proud to be a Yankees fan”, because the owner dumps the assets made from the club winning back into his team…I wish George M. Stienbrenner, reincarnated, would come back, buy the Isles, and make something out of this franchise to be proud of, lol…I have mixed emotions about the whole thing but I still watch every game and love it…In fact, Im going to Yankee Stadium for the first time tomorrow

by KO21 on Aug 3, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

JP-UFA3000

Baseball sucks right now… has for quite some time. Too many teams’ have their season end in the winter months. Hockey is not too far behind as far a FA is concerned. True “FREE” agency and a CBA is tough to balance. The way it is now, the PLAYERS determine which franchise CAN be successful. In professional sports the LEAGUE should dictate the terms… FAIRLY. Here is my solution.
A player can enter free agency as he does now, after a fair amount of time spent in the organization that invested in him, or in the franchise that has traded for his rights.
When he enters free agency he fills out a card with TWO NEEDS money and length of contract. Any team desiring his services puts in a bid for those services. All the teams that meet his original request will then go into a period where each team has ONE HOUR to rebid in order of their finish the previous year… UNTIL THEY ARE DONE. All bids must be 5% more than the leading bid in AVERAGE SALARY, and can not go backwards in length. The highest OVERALL bid wins.
If the player wants to go to FL, but Vancouver wins… TOO BAD… you’re making more than the average american makes in a year… every DAY… buy a parka!
This will be done OPENLY (on the internet) so we can all watch the process. That may be more interesting than the season itself for some players… Kovi would have been on PPV…
If nobody meets the players “needs” everybody that bid goes into the internet bidding. If only one team meets those needs, NO MORE CALLS… we have a winner.
All players registering for free agency will be selected in random order to go through this process. One player will begin the process every hour until all the free agents have been signed, or their offers have been made and they decline (HELLO KHL).

The NY Islanders are about to redo the salary cap floor with russian marble!

by JPinVA on Aug 3, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

curious idea

Of course, the players association would never go for it, because you would no longer have free agency, only a series of auctions – essentially, a fantasy league. I don’t think it could work in a real league. Besides, players can and do value winning above mere money and length of contract. They value community and the metro area. Players take less money to go to teams they guess will be great, or that play closer to home, or for whatever reasons.

My latest contract is for 31 years.

by mikb on Aug 4, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh... I know..

it will never work… it just makes it easier for the have nots, to become haves… and I thought that was what the salary cap was supposed to do. All it has done is create a chicken v egg dynamic and a never ending downward spiral… kind of like a flushed toilet.
If you have a new team, with no fan base to speak of, and no natural attractions to your team… and all the top players want to go to a winner, a full building every night or someplace thier girlfriends can lay on the beach all winter…. you, my friend are SCREWED.
Now… if you’re a team who has been a circus for 15 years, you have no objective argument to attract quality players until you do it without free agents… then who needs free agents.
I’m pretty sure I made this exact point when trying to speak to why Okposo hasn’t developed as fast as some other players have.

The NY Islanders are about to redo the salary cap floor with russian marble!

by JPinVA on Aug 4, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yanks were at the bottom

I was a Yankee fan and a kid during Mattingly years and they sucked and played at an empty stadium…they started wining and the Boss kept taking that $$$ from wining and tix and used it to create the greatest and most successful sports franchise ever…cant fault him for that….You guys who turned your back on baseball are missing out…Stop raining on my parade, lol, and enjoy the sport for what its worth…The Yanks went about a decade before they won their 27th so to say that Yanks have an unfair advantage might have some validity but that doesn’t mean its entirely true…It takes allot more than high priced FA;s to build a winner

by KO21 on Aug 6, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the other hand, when the Yankees do win, I feel a little less excited, knowing we can afford to pay the best players and to keep them long term

As long as you don’t feel guilty about it though. It’s not your fault (well, unless you chose them because you’re a front-runner, haha, but given your choice of hockey teams I’m doubting that’s your nature).

I agree that simply buying the best free agents doesn’t make a winner — ol’ Glen has proved that on Broadway. But what I don’t like is it wrecks the scene all the same. Paying Bobby Holik $45 million for five years is a patently stupid move that hurts the team — but in the process it hurts every other team too because suddenly every Tom, Dick & Harry thinks he’s worth three times more than his true value.

Lighthouse Hockey: More defensemen than we know how to spell.

by Dominik on Aug 3, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

You hit the nail on the head

I am not a fair weather fan…The fact that I root for the Isles when I only became a fan since right after the dynasty ended should show you something….As a kid, my dad passed the yankees on to me… I worshiped, Donnie Baseball and the Yankees. I remember my mom would send me to bed and I would have a radio under my bed tuned into 770 AM, back then it was on a different channel…Even if they were down by 9 runs with 2 outs in the 9th inning I would still be listening, especially if Mattingly was due up back when he was in a race for batting crown with Wade Boggs…I remember it distinctively because Yanks and the Sox were playing each other in the last few games and Mattingly was behind a few points but Boggs sat out and didnt even hit in the final game….I was totally pissed, being a left hand throwing kid who played 1st base and even wore #23, lol

by KO21 on Aug 6, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent Post Dom

The trade deadline, draft and ufa periods have become more interesting than the season itself for some teams. It is interesting to see how Snow has gone about his business (since autonomy was granted) and what he is trying to create using a single vision and masterful (from what I’ve read) knowledge of the CBA.
Of course, along the way, he’s not going to make all fans happy. Most of us see an end to his means, and we’re along for the ride.
Hopefully when players like Okposo, Bailey, Tavares, Hamonic(?), Nino, Petrov(?) and Kabanov(?) start asking for the moon Garth has the budget to give them fair deals, and they have the loyalty to TAKE THEM.
Building the brand will go a long way towards keeping a well built core in place. Taking a million or so less per annum will mean nothing, when you’re working for a second dynasty in the greatest city in the world…
That means end the LHP whining and move forward (AND WEST) damn it!

The NY Islanders are about to redo the salary cap floor with russian marble!

by JPinVA on Aug 3, 2010 10:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks everybody

Heh, I wasn’t sure if anyone would like this post. These are the inner worries and entertainment going on in my head, so I unloaded them here, in August.

Lighthouse Hockey: More defensemen than we know how to spell.

by Dominik on Aug 3, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have to worry...

when Bob and I start unloading our inner workings… this, on the other hand is an excellent read and something that keeps the electrical impulses active in the cranium.

The NY Islanders are about to redo the salary cap floor with russian marble!

by JPinVA on Aug 3, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed...

I very nice post Dom :). I am also hopeful that we see these guys develop to the point where we have the problem of having so much talent it’s hard to make it all fit :) Getting to watch the Canucks alot here in BC it’s been interesting to hear some of the players openly talking about be willing to take less to help keep the team together. The Sedins and Burrows could have all gotten more than they signed for and a number of their D men have taken slight discount over the last few years. If you can get enough guys that want to win together and love playing together it can go along way to giving you a huge competitive advantage in a cap salary world

by Styxcanada on Aug 3, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jon Sim

Jon Sim signed for a one year, 2 way contract today.

http://islanders.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=535395

Get out of the sticks, Charles, move to Queens!! Come, Get some respect a Professional team deserves!!

by Martys301 on Aug 3, 2010 11:34 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

What???

I thought there was no way were going there again…I guess the fact that its a two way deal means that the Isles aren’t forced to keep him with them at the start of the season if he’s not the best option so that’s good. I guess this also means that other teams weren’t calling so he had to settle on a two way. The good news is he’ll be playing for his NHL life so we know he’ll bring everything he has.

by mdelbags on Aug 3, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

i read this and went…

then re-read it and saw 2 way, and could breathe again

welcome to MSG, where 2 out of 5 vendors are safe to eat from!

by bob l on Aug 3, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ooooppps. I just saw this. Please let this be mostly for B-port.

I saw a roller rink in Hawaii next to the beach...I have to move there now.

by metalcoconut on Aug 3, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Once again...

I’m going to disagree with most folks here… I really like this!
1. It’s a two way deal. That means that Sim conceded that if he doesn’t fit in he’ll help out in BP without being a drain on the team. By “fit in” I mean that his roster spot is better used by some combination of Joensuu, Martin, Parentau and Gillies.
2. It means that they are over the BS that happened in Gordon Y1.
3. Sim DOES HIS JOB. I think I made this argument early in the season on NYIPB when asked which one of the pending UFA’s I thought might be back. Park was my first choice because his role would be the hardest to replace (vet, versatile, excellent(but falling off PKer), wing that could take face-offs in key situations). Of all the UFA’s Sim had performed his ROLE the best. Sim is a PEST. He draws penalties, and gets better players on TILT (getting in somebodies head is one of my favorite skills). He also knows how to work in the penalty area (soccer term that also applies to hockey, though there is none in hockey)
4. There are some posters on NYIPB from Nova Scotia that say he is just an OUTSTANDING guy.
5. I personally have been a fan since he came back from his injury… and played hard. It looked like he would be a contributer last year (but he got under somebody’s skin) and had to wait until this year to PROVE IT… in year three.
6. A 3rd-4th line LW that scores double digit goals while drawing twice as many penalties as he takes is an ASSET.

On the negative side…
I’d rather have had Bergy back for a year… if for nothing else, I like the idea of imagining TMC yelling at her TV… and I’ll leave it at that.

The NY Islanders are about to redo the salary cap floor with russian marble!

by JPinVA on Aug 3, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

You and I are singing from the same hymnal on this one. The unloading of inner workings will not be televised.

Lighthouse Hockey: More defensemen than we know how to spell.

by Dominik on Aug 3, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depth +

In 18 games in BP in 2008-09 the guy went 13-10-23… if fans don’t understand what that says about the guy, they will never resolve this signing in their collective head.
A lot of guys would have gone through the motions in BP and called their agent every day threatening to make their lives a living hell if they didn’t get them out of this shithole… Sim not only impressed everybody enought to be on the NYI roster in 2009-10, he did a pretty good job with the opportunity.

The NY Islanders are about to redo the salary cap floor with russian marble!

by JPinVA on Aug 3, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTW...

Seth MacFarlane has already done a pretty good job televising my inner workings…

The NY Islanders are about to redo the salary cap floor with russian marble!

by JPinVA on Aug 3, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

This does not surprise me in the least. (OT, but I just heard about the Family Guy episode that’s being released on DVD because Fox couldn’t handle it last season. Heh.)

Lighthouse Hockey: More defensemen than we know how to spell.

by Dominik on Aug 3, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish...

I’d have seen your front page post at 12:30, and I could have just posted, “EXACTLY” instead of basically rewriting it.
This whole work thing sucks.
BTW, did you see the props that CB gave you on Puck Daddy. I agree with his assessment… but then again he had some nice things to say about Brooks… and that just made it sound like, “Your baby is….. BREATHTAKING!”
Keep up the great work man!

The NY Islanders are about to redo the salary cap floor with russian marble!

by JPinVA on Aug 3, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gracias

Sorry, I should have mentioned something. I always feel rude telling people there’s a post up on the new topic. There should be a way for me to teleport comments to a dedicated thread.

Cracking up and feeling it on the “breathtaking” baby front.

Lighthouse Hockey: More defensemen than we know how to spell.

by Dominik on Aug 3, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL!

Totally agree with the first 6.
As far as the last part goes, heyyyyy!
You wont like me when Im angry…

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Aug 3, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great post Dom. This is the one important phase of the rebuild that the Isles haven’t been faced with yet. Hopefully with Yashin and DP still on the books and the Blues as a guide Snow will be prudent when the time comes for KO, Bails and JT.

I think the Moulson contract could serve as a good first sign about how Snow may handle this. He didn’t overreact and decide he needed to give Moulson a 4-year deal and pay him like a prennial 30-goal scorer. Instead he got him for one year for most likely less money than he would’ve gotten in arb.

As a Mets fan, I am constantly talking to my friends about how they don’t understand how to value players or acquire possible assets. Using that as a contrast to the way Snow seems to go about his business is very encouraging for the Isles.

by Pauly C on Aug 3, 2010 12:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Sim...really?????

CB just posted that Snow just signed Sim to a one year, two-way deal. At least it was only one year but…it still a set of hands of steel back for another year, work ethic or not.

I saw a roller rink in Hawaii next to the beach...I have to move there now.

by metalcoconut on Aug 3, 2010 12:22 PM EDT reply actions  

But,

what is wrong with a 2-way deal for depth…really, we all have to lighten up.

by Nobody77 on Aug 3, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

agreed

Great post, Dom.

Sim is a pure depth signing, and they had the space, and they didn’t really obligate themselves long-term. If somebody gets hurt Sim can fill the role he did last season.

To me this reads like a shift in the Isles’ thinking. Things like the Fedotenko/Vasicek/Comrie signings were desperation for a team that had no top-flight options. Essentially, they had a dozen second- and third-line guys and it didn’t matter who played where.

Sim’s re-upping says to me that the Isles are deeper and can regard their forwards differently, in more defined roles: they have what they consider a bunch of top-six candidates like JT, KO, Moulson, Schremp, and Bails; true checkers like Frans and Comeau; and the fourth liners: energy guys, agitators, and such that they can change in and out of the lineup based on matchups. They have more than six of the top-six potentials, and they aren’t going to play some of them in the other roles if they can help it, the way Tambellini wound up playing: they are therefore building their reserves on the bottom lines to avoid it. If Zenon gets hurt, they don’t need to stick a kid like Petrov down there; they’ve got Sim.

The difficulty (for this year, anyway) is that a few of those potentials can’t shift back and forth, such as Nino and the Reverend Nelson. If a few top guys get dinged the Isles are going to have to play people up the ladder a bit. Once they’re ready the team will have a lot more of that flexibility.

My latest contract is for 31 years.

by mikb on Aug 3, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 Way...we'll see

If he spends most of his time in B-port then great. Otherwise I would rather take the chance on watching a youngster throw his body around and possibly hit the net a little more often. This would be great if the new youngster could hit an open net, something that Sim specializes at missing.

I saw a roller rink in Hawaii next to the beach...I have to move there now.

by metalcoconut on Aug 3, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

CB...

The comment section is closed. I wonder if that is due to the fact that last year he put a moratorium on the Sim v Tambellini debate a few times. I guess that means he reads every post, and is tired of hearing it… becasue signing Sim is good for 300 NYIPB “we’re going ot Kansas City in a hand-basket” posts.

So… CB… this Bud’s for you!

The NY Islanders are about to redo the salary cap floor with russian marble!

by JPinVA on Aug 3, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Preventive measures.

I saw a roller rink in Hawaii next to the beach...I have to move there now.

by metalcoconut on Aug 3, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

more likely reason

is that he just cant be bothered with moderating it. He closes comments the sections all the time nowadays.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Aug 3, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

no great loss, frankly

My latest contract is for 31 years.

by mikb on Aug 3, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed!

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Aug 3, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

As far as what the Blues have done with Perron and Johnson – I think a part of the reasoning is the threat of the CBA coming to an end. By signing Perron and Johnson both for 2 years (which is when the CBA comes to an end) – they ensure that they will maintain the most flexibility to adapt to changes in the salary structure of the NHL.

Granted the Blues aren’t doing it with everyone like Colorado are (only Stastny is signed past 2 years into the future for them) – but I’d say that is an underlying reason for the unconventional 2nd contracts the Blues are giving out.

by HugoAgogo on Aug 3, 2010 5:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I think that may be part

I’ve heard the insanity that the league wants to lower the cap by recalculating HRR. That sounds insane to me (can’t we figure out a way to divide up this pie and be done with it?), but if that’s a possibility teams would certainly want to be careful extending into the new CBA. Personally I’m a fan of the short second contract with or without the fears with the next CBA.

Lighthouse Hockey: More defensemen than we know how to spell.

by Dominik on Aug 3, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve heard similar about the CBA – the Isles should be in an ideal position to adapt to any changes in the CBA.

Personally I’m a fan of the short second contract with or without the fears with the next CBA.

Agreed, but it is a tactic that can backfire if the player only signs to the end of his RFA years, rather than into his UFA years also. However, I have no doubt that Snow would be wise to take a risk or two and longer with a couple of his players (like Nielsen’s 4 years at 525K and Hunter’s 5 years at 2 million).

Having said that, if you can get a 50-point forward and 40-point defender for about 4.75 million combined like the Blues did, who can say no to that…

by HugoAgogo on Aug 3, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d say sign them in a way that you either buy out a few UFA years or still have some RFA years left before UFA, and draw the line in the sand at that. I’d go higher on money in either case for the sake of keeping that option.

Lighthouse Hockey: More defensemen than we know how to spell.

by Dominik on Aug 3, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, as would I. The Blues can be happy as Perron and Johnson are both RFA’s still for 1 or 2 more years after their extension is done. The Isles can be happy as they have the Great Dane for 4 years at bargain basement value (I still marvel at the value of this contract). It doesn’t really matter which approach you take – as long as you try to do it right.

by HugoAgogo on Aug 3, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tavares just might turn into a superstar

but thats besides the point…..If Garths actually saving his cap space for the core guys I salute him for sticking to his plan…If KO leaves next season and believe me, hes is well on his way to being a top 6 forward, I will be upset but not surprised…Their is NO certainty on Long Island so he might want to explore his options and who can blame him do to the uncertainty…Im sure many teams would love to have Okposo…This kids a keeper

by KO21 on Aug 3, 2010 8:05 PM EDT reply actions  

KO’s quotes have been all about wanting to stay, and let the contract chips fall as they may. So that’s a good sign.

If Garths actually saving his cap space for the core guys I salute him for sticking to his plan

That’s another thing that keeps me up at night. What I tell myself is: Garth is saving cap space both because he will need it later and because the team is cash poor. My biggest leap of faith in following this franchise and writing about its rebuild daily is that if given a new arena situation they will, in fact, spend as needed. If that doesn’t happen, the joke is on me.

Lighthouse Hockey: More defensemen than we know how to spell.

by Dominik on Aug 3, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I always get distracted by this picture

With the Islanders at home, I always wonder why that chubby kid in the background looks so unhappy after the Islanders scored a goal. It’s mesmerizing.

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by Mark D on Aug 3, 2010 11:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Aren't they on the road though?

White jerseys (I know, those should be homes), looks like red dashers, maybe the beginning of a Molson ad on the boards…that kid is probably unhappy because John Tavares was supposed to a Maple Leaf.

Lighthouse Hockey: More defensemen than we know how to spell.

by Dominik on Aug 4, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

OT - or maybe NOT.....

…..nobody seems to have brought up what’s happening in the NFL, where their revenue sharing and cap were referred to not so long ago as ‘socialist’ (but then again, hasn’t EVERYTHING been these past 2 years?) yet now sees Tom Brady, coming off a triple crown of injuries, allegedly looking for Robert Kraft to remedy what is seen as a gross inequity (3 Super Bowl rings and yet both Manning, even Brees are making significantly more than TB. Guess how much Tom Terrific wants? 7 years and…..TWO HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS – including some sort of pathetic $50 mil signing bonus). When I heard of this, I lost whatever respect I ever had for Mr. Bundchen – I mean, with 20 million people still without work, how can this homespun clod demand all that money, which could put at least 5,000 of those unemployed BACK to work? Is it any WONDER that non-sports fans maintain such contempt for professional leagues?

Meanwhile, I see the entire Cleveland sports scene ravaged as both the Indians and Cavaliers are effectively gutted, leaving it up to Mike Holmgren (if not Eric Mangini) to save at least a LITTLE Cuyahoga County face – good luck with that. So to see how Snow has approached signing and slowly perfecting our Islanders is a thing of some beauty!

by ogam5 on Aug 4, 2010 12:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Wow, Personally I thought the Pats should have dumped Brady and kept Cassel. Brady in the playoffs last year looked like someone who cared more about not having something happen to his pretty face as compared to winning.

I’d dump him.

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by Mark D on Aug 4, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Devil's advocate

Your Tom Brady:
-3 superbowl rings
-Tons of regular season and postseason QB records and awards
-32yrs old
-2 kids and a hot wife
-Tons of money and items
-Easily HOF QB

Do you honestly have the drive you used to win another ring and take more abuse to your body for another ring with a team that isn’t close to the ones you were on in the past? Easily no. Smart of him to take less abuse at the cost of another ring. He’s getting older and has already had 1 scary career threatening injury. I can see why he’d play it safe.

Go isles or Go home.

by OzzyFan on Aug 7, 2010 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

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