Bobby Ryan?

right now acquiring Ryan would be somewhat of a longshot since he isn’t being shopped and if we attempted to sign him, it’d cost too much in draft picks, but what about a sign and trade like they did with wiz. Do you think it would be worth pursuing or looking into?

Say, Ryan is put on the trading block, and we know that they’d accept a trade offer that looks like Joensuu, a 1st round draft pick, and a 2nd/3rd round draft pick, maybe +Kessel/Donovan in our farm system too. Would you do that trade if ryan guarantees a sign and trade for a 5yr/$25mil offer?

Me, I’d do it in a heartbeat. A possible top line of Ryan/Tavares/KO for the next many years(4+ if Tavares and KO resign short term deal) would be golden given their age and potential. You are talking about a combination that brings a lot to the table, a franchise line, a line where no player at the start of this season would be over 23, and a line where all 3 players should be future 30goal+/80pt players almost regularly, if not regularly. IMO, this is something garth should heavily be looking into just because of what it does for our franchise as a whole in refacing it, making us a playoff team, and speeding up it’s development with a key player that can help our franchise for many years down the road.

BUT… the removal of Jankowski from the Islanders’ employ may signal the turnng of the ship… where they might start to see the expense of a year long investment in the scrutiny of basically lottery balls as much less cost effective than giving up those slots on the big board for more proven commodities that other teams can no longer afford.
I don’t think Anahiem would take Joensuu and anything less than everything the Isles have inside the top 90 next year. thus making Joensuu an insignificant throw in for them. If you could get Ryan for a JJ+next year’s top two I’d jump on it.
With the wave that will hit the shores by 2012 you’d have to think that they Isles could afford to lose two prospects that wouldn’t be contributing until 2014… and with what may be a second tier (or electronic) scouting staff those picks are probably going to be worth more as trade chips. Not to mention you’d want to add a little Brian Burke math to the equation… with Ryan on our side the value of the draft picks should decrease because our location in the draft should be significantly higher(or lower…depending on how you look at it). This logic completely backfired last year.

I am never one to advocate giving up multiple first round picks during a rebuild, but to play the devils advocate; Bobby Ryan is 22. He has scored 30+ goals in his first two NHL seasons. He could be a part of the core we build around. What are the chances that one of those two picks turns into a 35-40 goal scorer? If both picks taken are scoring forwards in the Ryan mold (just for the sake of simplicity and argument) I would say the odds would be %50-%75 one of the two could be a legitimate star. With Bobby you have a pretty sure bet of a consistent 35-40 goal scorer with the possibility of 45+ in a good year. Because of his age and his production so far I might do this if I was GM.

Joensuu is a middle of the pact prospect, probably a future 2nd-3rd liner, at worst 4th. And the picks would be 1st and 2nd rounders. You really think that’s not enough? Even if we through in a young prospect like donovan/kessel? Would comeau or schremp instead of joensuu work for you? I honestly thought the 1st rndr, 2nd rndr, joensuu, and donovan/kessel was more then enough.

depends how high those picks are.

I was going to mention that, too. I really hope I’m wrong, but at this point I’m not even convinced JJ will stick in the NHL.

One possible caveat: He did apparently have a wrist issue last season that required post-season surgery. So maybe there’s room for improving the areas of the game involving his arms.

I think the one thing that JJ brings to the table is size. The few games I’ve seen of him in the AHL it doesn’t appear that he dominates at that level. So, I’d agree that I don’t see him high on the league wide prospect radar… but when you look at the Islanders’ depth chart I think he warrants a closer look this year.
I’m pretty sure this is his decision year. Another year of obscurity/mediocrity will put him behind guys like Ullstrom, Rakhshani and Figren (size be damned)… and that’s a one way ticket to places where they get their seafood from the Baltic.

I’ve never been really high on Joensuue either. I don’t see him being much of an impact player in the NHL. He might carve out a career as a third/fourth line winger but I don’t see him as a goal scoring first or second rounder. Hope I’m wrong, but that’s the way I see it.

and as you stated, goal scoring is our main weakness right now and trading away a 1st rndr, 2nd rndr, joensuu, and maybe even a 3rd/4th or a young prospect like kessel/donovan should be a deal so sweet that the ducks can’t turn it down, especially since Ryan is carrying this out with them. Ryan is a 30-35goal scorer now at a young age, and only has more time to prosper. He could be a huge impact player if we landed him, but I am probably dreaming or at least praying for garth to look into this idea.

oh well. I thought the topic deserved to be brought up again.

No takers?

You guys are boring. :(

First thing I’m going to do when I get NHL 11 is trade for BR.

That’s why I fear him and his contract dance. I buy the arguments that of course you’d trade KO for Ryan straight-up (although in the end? Maybe you lose the better overall player? Too early to tell.).

But if the guy has his eyes set on getting out of Anaheim as a UFA, or at least getting to UFA no matter what and then taking the highest bidder (read: not Anaheim), then the Isles have no business bidding for him now: The Isles don’t win premier free agent wars. So I wouldn’t trade the next ten years of KO for the next three years of Ryan.

he would definitely take over the 3rd line starting job no question, and even battle for a 2nd line spot. But, he isn’t close to young at 32 and it looks like his best days are behind him. Right now all he looks like is a good 3rd line forward or about adequate 2nd line forward and I don’t see him getting much better.

Weight is a stop gap, this is most likely his last year here unless he does magic, and he teaches the young guys a lot. I’m not sure what zubrus can bring other then “Hi, I’m a 32yr old veteran who lives off his hard work and size, but has lost his shot and offensive production greatly over the last few years.” Not really sure what veteran savy, if any a 6’5’’ hardworking and overpaid underachiever brings to our young guys from that perspective. So we’d likely be much better off with a younger guy with that style of play/production in hopes of lighting chemistry with one of our players, instead of an overpaid 3rd liner who’s passed his peak. Understand what I’m trying to say or where I’m coming from?