Cry-landers
WebBard's recent Mount Puckmore/Suckmore post anticipated me a little bit.
Back on the old blog, I would run occasional Isles and hockey posts. This one, originally from February of this year, fits perfectly with what the Bard has in mind - so I would like to offer it as a compilation of the possible candidates for our own Mount Suckmore. Warning: it's a little long. I can't help it, there's been a lot to cry about over the years.
Our very young ice hockey team has had everything go sideways on them. Not a surprise, as they are still not quite ready for contention - not even in this year's Eastern Conference, which features seven or eight mediocre teams, any two of which will make the playoffs by default this season.
In their honor, I've decided to put up a post about the worst of times. It's easy to pick out the best times when you win four straight championships and nothing else; when you have seven Hall of Famers over a concentrated period and little else. But when the suffering starts to pile up - it's just about 30 seasons since "OT - NYI, Nystrom (Tonelli, Henning) 7:11" - it's time to have a laugh about crying. This is not an original idea (and Leafs fans have been waiting longer than we have), but it's cathartic. If you like, you can hum the Simpsons' "Mediocre Presidents" song in your head as you read, for these are the adequate, forgettable, and occasionally regrettable Islanders...
Starting goalie: Tommy Soderstrom - Folks are more familiar with the longer tenure of Tommy Salo, a middling enough keeper who shrank from big moments and was reduced to tears in an arbitration hearing by his own general manager. That deserves special mention. Soderstrom, however, beats him out. He wasn't really good at anything. His 3.61 GAA is lowest in the annals of the franchise for any goalie with 50 career games, save Gerry Desjardins, who is excused because he played for the team in their first three seasons. Save percentage? .886, in the dead puck era. He played ten seconds in the 1996-97 season, and that was it for his career. And then there's his demoralizing "fight" with then-Ranger Dan Cloutier. Perhaps his odd helmet/mask combo fooled the Isles into thinking they were getting Arturs Irbe, or something.
Backup: Eric Fichaud - Not really all his fault. He was drafted too high by the Leafs, and then dealt off in a trade that hurt everyone involved: the popular Benoit Hogue went from Long Island cult hero to Toronto pariah, the extra picks were squandered, and poor Fichaud was tossed onto the ice to face NHL shooters behind one of the most porous teams of the day. His first two teams finished in the bottom five of the league and his final team finished 19th out of 26. The only consolation for him must have been that the Leafs finished below the Isles twice in those three seasons. Just a horrible trade.
Dishonorables:
Salo. Not Ron Hextall - everyone remembers "A River Runs Through Him" but there were mitigating factors: 1. if not for Hextall the Isles would never even have made the playoffs that year; 2. the Rangers were so stacked that year that beating them would have been even more astounding than beating the Pens the year before; and 3. Jamie McLennan got similarly smoked in his game two appearance. It wasn't Ron's fault.
Defenders:
Dick Tarnstrom - drafted in 1994, finally came to North America as a 27-year old rookie and human giveaway machine for the 2001-2002 Isles. He was a frustrating player to watch; offensively gifted but lost anywhere within fifty feet of his own goalkeeper. (Penguins fans are nodding right now. Sixteen goals and 52 points while going minus 37?!? Ugh.)
Thomas Pock - three points in fifty-nine games, minus 17, hasn't played an NHL minute since. Completely overmatched by the league. At least he was only a waiver claim.
Bruno Gervais - the current whipping boy for suffering Isles fans. He's a polite, well-spoken, decent young fellow who likes cooking, has a cute girlfriend, and gets undressed more regularly by opposing forwards. Probably not as bad as advertised, but that's a function of having a poor team: you have guys playing too many minutes, against too-tough opposition. Bruno may be a sixth or seventh guy, and he's been on the TOP pair at times. Sadly, there can be only one outcome.
Janne Niinimaa - if you look at his numbers, they're actually not bad. Janne was never very comfortable on the Island but he didn't disgrace himself, either. On this I think some of my fellow fans were overreacting. Then again, you can go to lots of Isles blogs and see that for yourself: if they win a few games everyone is mentally organizing parades and banner-raisings; lose a few and it's "trade everybody, those guys stink!" In other words, we probably owe Janne a fruit basket or something. I hope he's happier wherever he is now.
Dean Chynoweth - this was hardly Dean's fault: he was very frequently injured. The trouble was that he was drafted in the first round ahead of some talented players, such as Joe Sakic and John LeClair. (I'm leaving out others like Mathieu Schneider who actually later became Islanders... including the 114th overall pick, who is now their general manager.)
Scott Lachance - much like Chynoweth, he wasn't openly dreadful the way some of the others were, but it's all about opportunity cost. The Isles took him FOURTH overall in 1991, leaving on the table players like Peter Forsberg, Brian Rolston, Alexei Kovalev, Ray Whitney, and Markus Naslund. Heck, they could have taken Richard Matvichuk if they wanted a defender. Then again, it also comes down to player development; had they taken Matvichuk maybe he's on this list and Lachance has a long career as a respected blueliner for Minnesota/Dallas.
Dishonorables:
Most of the folks I could list here just weren't around very long, so instead, some follow-up trivia about 1991: the Isles took Ziggy Palffy in the second round of this draft, after all the above-listed players were off the board. Nice pick. And the all-time scoring leader for that draft class, surprisingly, is NOT Forsberg or even Eric Lindros. Injuries limited their playing time too much. With 408 goals and 980 points (and counting), it's Kovalev.
Forwards:
Kirk Muller - public enemy number one for a large number of Isles fans of my age. He'd won a Cup with the Canadiens - beating the '93 Isles in the conference finals along the way - and midway through the shortened '94-'95 year, the Isles traded for him and Schneider. However, it cost them Pierre Turgeon and Vladimir Malakhov, depriving the Isles of their most talented forward and defender in one shot. And Muller flat-out did NOT want to play for the Isles, bitched about it publicly, and dogged it while on the ice. The Isles were forced to accept pennies on the dollar for him midway through the very next season. Oh, we'll be talking about the GM of THIS trade in a few minutes, thankyouverymuch. Sonofab...
Brett Lindros - Don Maloney bragged upon his selection in 1994 that he had "the better Lindros." It was not to be. He was even more concussion-prone than big brother Eric. Eventually he was forced to retire after just 51 games. He scored twice in that time. Nobody was ever angry at Brett they way they were at anyone else on this list, really; he may well have made good on his potential. (Of course, with Milbury on the horizon, he would have done so in another jersey.) This is just a very sad story.
Alexei Yashin - I remain convinced that the real problem with Yashin was not his talent, nor his production. He played well, if not as well as he had in Ottawa. He overcame a severe injury that affected the tendons in one of his hands, which could have ended his career. I don't buy the "aloof Russian" reputation crap, either. Nobody would have thought he was aloof if he was only paid $3 million per year. No, the real issue here was that the Isles paid a king's ransom for him (soon-to-be franchise defender Zdeno Chara, checking forward Bill Muckalt, AND the second-overall pick, which became Jason Spezza), paid him a kings' fortune, and then were stuck with the bill after the lockout and the new salary cap. Eventually they were forced to buy him out; now he plays back home in Russia and sleeps with Carol Alt, so who's laughing now?
Oleg Kvasha - no discussion of Yashin is complete without Kvasha. When it comes to enigmatic Russian talents, this was the poster child: a large, physical player with gifted hands who could never top 15 goals in a season. Eventually went back to play in Russia as well, though his tastes in supermodels are unknown. Talk about enigmas: either there's another dude named Oleg Kvasha out there, or he has hidden musical talents.
Mike Comrie - anytime a guy plays for five different teams before his 30th birthday, something's up, but when he's done two separate stints for two of them, then it's on a whole new level. The guy's obviously got great talent, but something makes him very easy to part with despite it all. Incidentally, one of the prospects he was once traded for, Rob Schremp, is currently an Islanders rookie, and off to a promising start.
Chris Simon - long one of the league's better enforcers, but had good enough hands to score 29 goals one season. Also good enough hands to clobber Ryan Hollweg in the face with his stick. In fairness to Simon, it was later revealed that he had been concussed by an illegal hit from behind that received no penalty at all. He claimed later that he didn't really recall what he'd done to Hollweg because of it; I only note that he certainly recalled which player was responsible for it. He was later suspended again for stomping on a guy with his skate. Now out of hockey.
Joe Sacco - remember those players I didn't mention above, who eventually became Islanders after being drafted after Dean Chynoweth in 1987? Joe was one of them, but he gets mentioned anyway, because while on the Island, he put up one of the most confounding statlines in league history: in 73 games in 1998-99, he scored three lonely goals with zero assists - zero as in nil, zip, none, bubkes. Nobody deflected one of his shots in, or scored on one of his rebounds, or even had a fluke shot off his rump and into the net, much less converted an actual pass. It's astonishing. He wasn't a brawler, either. One would think that even in just ten minutes played per game, you could get an assist just by accident, at least once. I mean, even Mick Vukota never went an entire year without an assist, and he took 250 penalty minutes a year.
Scott Scissons - it seems odd to hate on a guy who played all of two NHL games, and scored no points. Wonder no more. He was taken sixth overall in 1990's entry draft. Eighty-seven different players taken in that draft had points in the NHL, including eight goaltenders. If that's not enough, one of those goalies is still playing in the area: you may have heard of him, fellow by the name of Brodeur, the NHL's all-time wins and shutouts leader in the regular season. Scott *($$!?%^* Scissons, people!
Dishonorables: I'll take nominations from the audience here. I just can't go on. Scott Scissons....
GM: Mike Milbury - the easy choice. He was the engineer of so many disastrous moments during his inexplicably long stay in the organization. Tops was trading Roberto Luongo and Olli Jokinen to Florida for Oleg Kvasha and Mark Parrish: that's one of the five best goalies in the league and a perennial 30-goal scorer (if a touch of a headcase) for one of the other guys on this list and hard-working yet clearly secondary scorer. Then there's Spezza/Chara for Yashin, the constant coaching changes, exiling young talent before it could develop, whiffing on top draft choices... to say nothing of the already-mentioned arbitration hearing where he savaged his own starting goalkeeper. It was a comedy of terrors with Mad Mike at the helm. O to put it another way - searching his name returns his wikipage as the top result, and a blog called "Mike Milbury Sucks" as the second. The third is his current job as an analyst on NBC and CBC. The fourth is "Mike Milbury's Bad Deals."
Dishonorable: Don Maloney - the former Ranger played a bit for the Isles before moving up to the front office in 1992. He came into a team with a lot of offensive talent (four 30-goal scorers) and a reasonable defense (Norton, Kurvers, Krupp, Malakhov, Pilon, Kasparaitis), and they shocked the two-time champion Penguins in the conference semifinals in 1993. He didn't feel like they could get any farther without better goalkeeping, though. He brought in Hextall. That, as we have seen, didn't work out so hot, so he panicked and sent Hextall right back to Philadelphia... for Soderstrom. Later that very season, he bundled Pierre Turgeon and Vladimir Malakhov to Montreal in the infamous Kirk Muller deal. That was pretty much all she wrote.
Muller was eventually dealt for Ken Freakin' Belanger, straight up. Schnieder is STILL playing, but was long dealt away: the Isles got Kenny Jonsson for him, which was nice, and the first-round pick that was part of that deal became... well whodathunk it? Roberto Luongo, who was part of Mad Mike's finest moment as GM of the Florida Panthers. Oh, wait... he was our GM, wasn't he?
:::facepalm:::
So just three degrees of separation for the two worst trades in the history of the franchise (Turgeon/Malakhov for Muller/Schneider and Luongo/Jokinen for Kvasha/Parrish). Shocka. We'd better not be out of beer...
Trivia - Maloney and I were born on the same date, but not the same year. We also share a birthday with 19th-century outlaw Jesse James. I am the only one of us not to kill a person or a franchise.
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Excellent read.
One of my sigs used to mention Scott Lachance. Basically if you follow the trade tree we turned Scott Lachance and another first round pick into Jesse Joenssu.
The other thing about Yashin, is that Chara + Spezza were obviously a huge part of the Senators run to the Cup. So Islander fans could only imagine what might have been if they still had both of them, didn’t draft DiPietro 1st overall and kept Luongo + Jokinen.
Are you sure your not confusing Salo’s fight with Cloutier for being Soderstrom?
Also I am quite proud of the fact that if you search “Milbury Sucks” you get one of my multitude of blogs on why Milbury was awful. I’ve used 1000 tags over 160 or so blogs, and Mike Milbury, Milbury Sucks and New York Islanders are my most used.
Dominik signed me for 20 years, and all I got was a press conference and a voided contract...
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
hm
I might be, which would explain why I didn’t find a clip on YouTube. Poor Salo. He must have been having a Cloutier flashback in the Olympics on that dump-in by Belarus – he certainly ducked out of the way fast enough.
Thanks for the feedback!
My latest contract is for 31 years.
Thanks
Multiple stories on why Milbury sucks. It actually paid off really good during the Olympics. For some odd reason during the Olympics people searching for Milbury Sucks reached an all time high.
I think it’s just due to me starting off as a fan of Milbury and feeling betrayed. And then arguing with people who went out on every limb to defend him.
Dominik signed me for 20 years, and all I got was a press conference and a voided contract...
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
in re: Olympics
Milbury was on NBC for the Olympics, IIRC… the whole world got a good look, said “Holy crap this guy sucks,” and went to the Internet for more information – and thankfully, you were there to put them some knowledge. Good man.
My latest contract is for 31 years.
oh I know, sarcasm doesn’t work well when it’s in text form.
Dominik signed me for 20 years, and all I got was a press conference and a voided contract...
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
LOL
For some odd reason during the Olympics people searching for Milbury Sucks reached an all time high.
Spit my coffee just now, I did.
Lighthouse Hockey: More defensemen than we know how to spell.
The only guy I might want to add is
Mike 9th overall Rupp, bust, never play for us suckass, wasted 1st rounder by genius Milbury, picked up by the damm Devils in the 3rd round scores cup winning goal for them, may win a damm cup with the Penguins.
I know he started playing in the 2000’s but we drafted him in 1998. Why oh why did we draft another guy with size and no skill. its like the Brett Lindros episode didnt happen and we didnt learn from the Rag$ and their Jessiman.
Well done...
Maloney and I were born on the same date, but not the same year. We also share a birthday with 19th-century outlaw Jesse James. I am the only one of us not to kill a person or a franchise.
But thankfully you just KILLED this past 20 minutes.
Personally, I’d lobby to get a few folks off that list.
Scissions: Just like you don’t choose your parents, you can’t choose the team that drafts you. This scenario may be relived if Calvin sans Hobbs turns out to be a bust.
Pock: Good lord if you make a list of players just because they SUCK you’d run out of internet.
Bruno: (see pock), and to the VERY VALID point as to his being played as a first pair defensman… Why does a guy who finished LAST and 26th get a free pass? Why does FLASH get a free pass for:
1. Letting his team get intimidated for two years because he didn’t think that players who spend their whole lives and 3 minutes a game INTIMIDATING other hockey players shouldn’t be allowed off the bench.
2. NOT HAVING A PLAN B when PLAN A is failing so miserably.
3. Didn’t realize that the NHL allows timeouts, and when he did figure it out he would call then right before a TV timeout.
4. Two years of horrendous special teams.
5. An unsurpassed record of mass consumption (by fans) of Pepto Bismol in third periods where the Islanders have a 3 goal or less lead… I think 4 goal leads were pretty safe. (did they ever have a four goal lead going into a third period)
6. Not to mention he is just a wonderful interview… but man, can he do the beanpot shuffle.
Yes, the Isles have been devoid of talent… but the blind leading the blind hasn’t really worked out too well. If he wins with the current talent level, no harm done… if he can’t win with four top-10 draft picks, Nielsen, Streit, Comeau, JW and a few miracles (Moulson, Schremp) and possible miracles (Kabanov, Petrov) then this has been a HUGE kick in the nuts by team that gave up on a guy that has been to two cup finals and one that has taken two teams to the playoffs in HIS FIRST YEAR with the team.
My cup is 3/4 empty, How 'bout yours?
I didn't do coaches at all
I mean, besides Arbour and Lavs, it’s all much of a muchness. With such a crowded field it’s hard to single out anyone for particular scorn; besides, the list of players above kind of absolves them of at least part of the responsibility. It’s hard to spin chicken feathers into chicken cordon bleu.
As far as Scott Gordon – he’s got something to work with now, and it’s Year Three, so he’s hopefully got enough time at the big boys’ table. If the team doesn’t move forward and keeps exhibiting late-game meltdowns, I could see Snow showing him the door.
I don’t know enough about circumstances surrounding Laviollette’s departure. I get the impression that he may have a little Keenan in him – ideal for putting the lash to teams, but not a good long-term, developing youngsters sort of choice. He’s worn through two jobs in relative quick order, and is now in a city famed for consuming its own.
My latest contract is for 31 years.
Great job, mik
And thanks for recycling for our benefit!
this was hardly Dean’s fault: he was very frequently injured. The trouble was that he was drafted in the first round ahead of some talented players, such as Joe Sakic and John LeClair.
Fookin’ hell I’d never looked at it with quite those names! Indeed, there is a lot to cry about.
Lighthouse Hockey: More defensemen than we know how to spell.
How about Mark Lawrence
Had an OK season in 98-99, then if I remember correctly Milbury signed him for a decent chunk and he was a total horror show for the rest of his career.
I forgot about Lawrence. BTW it’s always fun looking at guys like him via newspaper archives. Here’s one such article
http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/sports/1999/04/14/1999-04-14_lawrence_isle_question_mark.html
Dominik signed me for 20 years, and all I got was a press conference and a voided contract...
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
Wow! I just passed out:
Mark Lawrence has emerged from obscurity to become the Islanders’ best big forward this season, and his signing as a free agent nearly two years ago ranks as one of the organization’s savviest personnel moves in recent memory.
Lighthouse Hockey: An always-open repair shop for mikb's sarcasm module.
Had no idea about Lawrence
That’s a good catch. It looks like he may have held out, as he started the next season in the IHL, before splitting time with the Isles and the AHL’s Lowell Loch Monsters (what a great team name, btw).
My latest contract is for 31 years.
Actually, he might have been switched from the AHL to the IHL.
The Lowell Loch Monsters were split between Islanders and The Kings. Milbury went off about Lowell only playing Kings prospects. So Islanders prospects got shifted around
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/12/08/sports/nhl-roundup-isles-pull-prospects-out-of-lowell.html
Dominik signed me for 20 years, and all I got was a press conference and a voided contract...
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
A fitting tagline for Milbury
“Mark Lawrence ranked as one of his savviest moves.”
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Ahhh, Lachance
I remember he was an “all star” at least once…this falling under the realm of “each team must have a representative”. Many arguments I had denying his all star credentials and that his selection was based on Lachance that we didn’t have anyone else at the time. Trust me, if he was any good or had any potential or stood to make any money, we would have traded him at the time. Wasted pick!
by Keith Quinn on Aug 26, 2010 3:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
yea, Palffy got hurt, Milbury hated Johnsson so LaChance got to go.
Dominik signed me for 20 years, and all I got was a press conference and a voided contract...
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
Seriously
What mixture of Don Cherry worship and self loathing must Milbury have had to continue to draft and trade for these Europeans and when they were good, undermine and destroy their confidence to the point of destroying his own career?
by Keith Quinn on Aug 26, 2010 6:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’ve always held this theory that Milbury only drafted in the 1st and 2nd round and let other scouts draft the later picks. That would explain the high number of Europeans drafted by the Islanders.
But then again, Milbury’s view of Europeans never made sense. Why did Czerwaski deserve a second chance in the NHL, yet Milbury hated so many of the Europeans on his own team. There’s also a few Europeans that the Islanders either drafted multiple times, or drafted after the Bruins had tried drafting them.
Dominik signed me for 20 years, and all I got was a press conference and a voided contract...
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
Why did Czerwaski deserve a second chance in the NHL, yet Milbury hated so many of the Europeans on his own team.
Because Mariusz was drafted by the Bruins, silly. If its Bruins, it has to be good. Or at least, MM had to think so lol.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Aug 26, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haha! This and quin’s “What mixture of Don Cherry worship and self loathing must Milbury have had” have made my day.
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Nice article,
and agree with all of it to an extent.
I have a slight problem with Bruno on the list, but I’m actually fine with it because you do mention he is a #6/#7 d-man who is overused, which is exactly what he was/is.
My other tiny problem is chris simon. Yeah, he did some bad stuff, but he was a solid role player when he was here and he was a decent enforcer(better when he was younger). I liked him a lot when he was here.
Go isles or Go home.
by OzzyFan on Aug 27, 2010 12:41 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I 100% agree with you on both of these.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Aug 27, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Also agreed
But with Simon, I had a different blog at the time (now extinguished into the ether of failed Web companies), and I remember venting many words of anguish when he did the stomp. I totally understand why Ruutu of all people would be the ones to draw that ire, but I just felt like, “Come ON, man! One, you don’t stomp, period. Two, you know you’re on the watch list. Three, there are so many more gratifying and LEGAL ways to knock Ruutu on his ass.”
It just seemed like an example of his decision-making that could not be trusted, even though I wanted to trust him.
…of course Pronger’s stomp and discipline history, by comparison, got a slap on the wrist.
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On the Simon note
I think just about everyone in the NHL would agree that Hollweg was a dirty player who pushed the envelope with the boarding. If you look at some of his hockeyfights.com fights, several were right after similar hits. If that same hit wa made on anyone from the first two lines, it would have been a suspension and I’m pretty sure it wasn’t penalized at all. No stomping period though! Christ that’s like attempted murder!
by Keith Quinn on Aug 27, 2010 1:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Me and Mike Watt playing guitar
Aside from sharing a name sake with one of the best bass players of all time and former Minuteman song-writer and punk-rock hero, Mike Watt, played a little for the Isles in 98-99 and actually had a somewhat decent season, given that he wasn’t much of a player and was the treasure received for dumping Eric Fichaud to the Oilers.
He now coaches high school hockey @ Arrowhead High School in WISC.

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