Hockey What If? The Dale Hunter Hit
The saying goes, hindsight is 20/20. When people look back over their lives, they always question what might have been. For fans of any sports team it's no different. From the Mets trading Nolan Ryan, to the Flyers trade for Lindros fans have always imagined what if? When it comes to asking what If, it's not about a single event. Instead it is more about how the dominoes fell due to that event.
The event we're looking back on today is the infamous Dale Hunter cheap shot, the repercussions of which are still being felt today. In the playoffs that year the Islanders upset two time defending champ Penguins before being taken out by Montreal. You can argue if Turgeon had been in the lineup the Penguins might have taken the Islanders a bit more seriously. In the long term, Turgeon's struggle to return to form ended up being a factor in his being traded for Kirk Muller. Muller's holdout and Don Maloney's inability to trade him (along with some other poor decisions) led to Maloney being fired and replaced by recently hired head coach Mike Milbury. The rest is history, but after the jump I imagine what might have been.
Following their first round victory over the Capitals, the Islanders prepare for the two time defending champs the Penguins. The series goes as everyone expected, and despite some great showings by Ray Ferraro, the Islanders are knocked out in five games. Turgeon was locked down on hard by the Penguins.
In the 93-94 season, Turgeon put up another 100+ point season and the Islanders finish with the seventh seed. They are quickly bounced in the first round. Al Arbour announces his retirement and Lorne Henning takes over the head coaching position. The Islanders struggle in the 94-95 season, but it's obvious that the goalie struggles held the team back. One of the bright spots for the team was the short term pairing of Turgeon and Ziggy Palffy towards the end of the year hit quite a spark. In the offseason though, Henning is let go and Mike Milbury is brought in as the new coach by ownership.
Milbury Vs Maloney
The rumor immediately is that Milbury is the future replacement for Maloney. While the Islanders struggle during 95-96, Milbury continually takes his arguments to the press. He claims that the struggles are due to the talent on the team and especially targets youngsters Todd Bertuzzi, Bryan McCabe and Tommy Salo. Newly minted Captain Pierre Turgeon struggles too despite an 80 point season and helping Ziggy Palffy to a 95 point season.
While Milbury continued to fight his wars in the press, Maloney stays quiet for the most part. During the 96-97 season the Islanders stay within reach of a playoff spot, but Milbury continues his bashing of the younger players on the team. He makes it known that his opinion differs from Maloney and that some players are still on the roster because of Maloney. The team slowly fades out of playoff contention. Milbury decides to make his move, as he refuses to show up to coach the team with 12 games left until a move is made. Maloney promotes Milbury assistant Rick Bowness to take over the team. He announces to the press that he refuses to be bullied, while most of the press believes Maloney will be fired. But the Islanders respond with an 8-2-2 run which very nearly gets them into the playoffs. While Palffy and Turgeon had long been quite the scoring duo, Todd Bertuzzi comes alive with 9 points in his final 12 games. Tommy Salo was almost a brick wall over the last few games. All sorts of rumors and unidentified sources come from the locker room claiming that they all hated Milbury. Milbury is let go of in the offseason and Butch Goring is promoted to take over the team.
Butchie & Maloney
For the next few years the Islanders youth continues to improve while Turgeon and Palffy turn out to be one of the top duos in the league. Although never good enough to win the Division, the Islanders make the playoffs for six straight seasons. Unfortunately playoff success alludes the Islanders as they only get past the first round twice, and never get beyond the second round.
The Islanders begin to falter as they get closer to the lockout year. Turgeon decides to sign with the Stars for a chance at the Cup. Tommy Salo begins to fade, despite improving defense in front of him. Bryan McCabe takes over the Captainship from Turgeon, hoping for a continued bright future. The Islanders miss the playoffs for the first time in the 03-04 season. Maloney steps down from the GM position and eventually moves to Phoenix to help Wayne Gretzky run the Coyotes.
Other Thoughts
Just because this puts together a pretty cheery picture of how everything turns out, here's some other ideas of what could have been.
- The Islanders Ownership was ready to dump Maloney the second they signed Milbury, no matter if there was or wasn't Mueller hanging over the team.
- Maloney would have traded Turgeon in an attempt to turn the team around even if he hadn't been hurt.
- Despite Maloney's progress as a GM over his Islanders tenure, he still would have kept screwing up the team.
I want to know what you guys think about this. What are your own takes if Don Maloney had a longer stint as GM? Is What If? an interesting idea? Also if you guys liked this, I'd be more then willing to take recommendations for future What Ifs. I'd just prefer ideas that had long term ramifications. EG: What if Torrey traded Potvin is a lot more fun then what if Milbury didn't trade Luongo.
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You forgot some parts.....
1. The Nassau Coliseum is demolished and there is a state of the art arena in its place.
2. Kate Murry was defeated and now resides as Head of Custodial services at LIJ.
3. Spano becomes a convicted felon …. his latest plan was to purchase sports teams and run them dry. He was thwarted by an investigation by a Newsday intern.
Darcy Regier should have taken over for Torrey right from the start. Just my opinion.
Your right, I did mean to put in that the Coliseum is replaced via public funding.
Dominik signed me for 20 years, and all I got was a press conference and a voided contract...
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
Lindros
Which Lindros decision was worse the teams?
The Flyers gambled everything to get Eric Lindros.
While the Islanders suffered hardship and headaches with Brett Lindros.
Get out of the sticks, Charles, move to Queens!! Come, Get some respect a Professional team deserves!!
At least Eric got the Flyers to the Stanley Cup finals. And plus the struggles of the Flyers had more to do with their goaltending then anything Eric did.
Brett only cost us Uwe Krupp and Wade Belak. The 94 first round wasn’t particularly impressive http://hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl1994e.html
Dominik signed me for 20 years, and all I got was a press conference and a voided contract...
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Darcy Regier and Pierre Turgeon, Hall of Famer
Interesting mental pretzel, this! Two things it made me think of: if Milbury had entered (as coach) later and Maloney given more time, would we have been more likely to see Darcy Regier as GM? (Probably not; seems like internal promotions like that are rare, but it’s a thought.)
And I think the argument is already in the numbers for Turgeon’s Hall of Fame credentials, but under this scenario without the hit it’s a lock, no question.
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What could have been...
My major wonder was Palffy. If we had never got rif of Palffy, I honestly think our franshise would have turned around quick. He was the biggest offensive force we’d had in years and arguably/highly-likely till now and still counting. We traded him at 27, then he still had over a point per game average in his next 6 nhl seasons before “retiring” at 33/34, then playing in slovakia for the next few years, whom he is still playing for at 38, and I might add very effectively. He was an amazing talent, and would have been a career islander and HALL OF FAMER, if it wasn’t for that stupid “money problems” trade. Palffy was something really special.
Go isles or Go home.
What if...
The coliseum was built where the Green Acres Mall is?
Butch Goring, instead of Lorne Henning was named coach, and given three years. Mike Milbury never enters the equation.
The Islanders were sold to somebody, anybody, who’s PRIORITY was taking the hockey team back to it’s once glorious state… and eventually working towards moving the team to someplace that would expand its fan base and mass access. (Gutkowski’s group?… which may never have existed)
All the other BS happened and Milbury didn’t become enfactuated with Rick DiPietro, Alexei Yashin and Michael Peca. Roberto Luongo, Dany Heatley(or Gaborik), Chara, Spezza, Connolly and Pyatt… and the rest of that defense playing for Peter Laviollete…
Wang doesn’t make an ASS of himself by hiring and firing a GM within 40 days… and replacing him with the teams backup goaltender. I’ll stand by the fact that Snow has done a pretty good job, but maybe they wouldn’t have had to start from scratch. If the idiot would have hired a GM, and let him pick (or at least come to a consensus) on a coach maybe I wouldn’t be calling him an ASS… and maybe they could have signed real free agents. Maybe a THAT GM figures out that paying $8M for a player, is better than paying $4 for air.
ifs and butts were playoff series wins and cups!
My cup is 3/4 empty, How 'bout yours?
I don’t think anyone could have survived coaching in the strike shortened year. Henning or Goring aren’t Arbour, and that’s the only thing that put the Islanders into the playoffs the previous year.
The rest I like, but I could go for some more info on the Green Acres Mall?
Dominik signed me for 20 years, and all I got was a press conference and a voided contract...
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
Green Acres is the place for me....
Green Acres would have been a nice location, circa 1972 to build a venue such as the NVMC. Of course, I have no clue as to the politics and real estate development goals at the time, but here are my pros for building on that site:
1. convenient access from Brooklyn, Queens, Nassau and Suffolk. Suffolk and Northern Nassau residents would have suffered slightly due to the less convenient drives, but it would have opened up the boroughs.
2. In the 80’s, concurrent with the Isles surge, the mall was infused with some cash to try to revitalize it as a suburban shopping mecca. That may have had the same effect on the venue… and it wouldn’t have been so run down in the 90’s… and with public access it’s quite possible that the Nets would have stayed as well.
There are several sites that would have been better through the years than Uniondale. I just think that in 72 that area was better suited to an 18K seat arena. One of the factors would have to be the number of city shoppers that chose GA over Kings Plaza and Roosevelt Field in the late 70s and early 80s. Those shoppers may not be the same target market, but if it’s convenient enough to shop there, it’s convenient enough to get a group of friends together to see a hockey game.
+ Maybe they avoid the whole SMG disaster… who knows.
My cup is 3/4 empty, How 'bout yours?
The Premise of this article is all Wrong.
If Pierre never suffers that cheap shot at the end of game 6 VS Caps, we still go onto to defeat Pens ( they struggled against us all the 92-93 season)… And most importantly Turgeon scores on the break away he had early in OT of Game 3 VS the Habs and the Isles go onto to win that series and defeat the Great One and Kelly in the Finals.. We win the Cup Arbour stays on for another 5 years, Milbury never comes near our OrganIzation, The Whale never leave Hartford, and all would be right in the world… You article is very interesting but I am sorry to say very short sighted Dale Hunter is too blame for most of the world’s issues. Historically speaking this statement is completely accurate.
P.S. Have a Nice Day !! :)
haha, thanks.
Dominik signed me for 20 years, and all I got was a press conference and a voided contract...
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
Ha
Love it.
Let’s just bring the elephant in the room right out into the open and acknowledge that without Hunter setting the example, there’d be no terrorism.
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Now your gettin it
.. Most of all there would be no victory mosque going up, and no atheist, Marxist in the White House :)
That’s right — we would finally have one Official State Religion, the way God Almighty has always intended it.
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Olive Branch
Before it gets outta hand… i say we call a truce and stick to hockey.. I started it i admit that, but i’m offering a truce. Politics in my conclusion are a futile debate… Any way thats all I have to say bout that… Go Isles…
Accepted
Haha, I agree politics really has no place here — but in all honesty I just figured everything was said in sarcasm anyway. The relatively condensed space of blog comments is hardly enough room to cover all of the ambiguities and complexities of real-world issues.
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