Profiling the Islanders defense as Freddy finds a new home
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Freddy Meyer IV's signing with Atlanta (Godspeed, ol' Fourth) means all of the significant Islanders UFA's not named Richard Park from last year's squad have found a home. (We'll just stick with the summer-long understanding from Garth Snow via Newsday's Katie Strang that captain Doug Weight is coming back.)
With or without Weight's signing, by my calculations and a hand from CapGeek the Islanders are at the cap floor, no matter which low-salaried D or forward makes the initial 23-man roster.
So with dust settled, while some still hope for another forward addition, on the blueline we at least know that we have here a major transformation. Just how has the blueline's profile changed? I'm glad I asked that question...
Last year Meyer, as he has multiple times in his career, filled the role of 6th/7th defenseman who steps in from the pressbox to take bigger minutes and immediately starts leveling every forward who dares underestimate his 5'10" frame. As last-pair D-men go, there was a lot to like about the scrappy Meyer -- particularly in the final quarter of the season, when in Andy Sutton and Andrew MacDonald's poorly coinciding absences he became the Islanders' most intimidating defenseman. (Yes, that is both a compliment to him and an indictment of the blueline.)
However, Meyer's career record is that of someone who does that only in partial-season bursts, and not consistently enough to avoid press box duty and the occasional waiver claim. Add to it his injury history -- something even the Thrashers' official blog noted -- and the temptation to read his final quarter of 2009-10 as a career turn (nutrition revelation or not) should be resisted. Still, it's fair to ask whether swapping in Milan Jurcina -- younger, bigger, but notoriously less physical -- for Meyer is the right one.
And the answer, at that low level on the depth chart, might just lie in viewing how the whole blueline now stacks up, with some right-shooting guys (a relative rarity) like Jurcina replacing left-shooting guys (like Meyer) to give the whole blueline corps a more balanced, technically bigger look.
2009-10 vs. 2010-11: Who Has Hand?
This equation would be different without the addition of fellow right-shooting James Wisniewski, who fell into Garth Snow's lap. (That's not to discredit Snow on the acquisition though; Snow made his run at the top-dollar guys and likely knew fallback options like Wiz would be there, provided he wait it out.)
So here's a comparison of last year's major blueline characters versus this year's. No one knows how healthy they'll be, how well they'll gel, whether any of them are as adept at combating SUV's as Brendan Witt was. But we can bet that Snow & Co. had a method to this overhaul.
| 2009-10 Islanders | Lbs. | Hght. | Age | Hand | TOI | PP | PK | 2010-11 Islanders |
Lbs. | Hght. | Age | Hand | TOI | PP | PK |
| Mark Streit | 197 | 6.0 | 32 | L | 25:42 | 5:12 | 1:47 | Mark Streit | 197 | 6.0 | 33 | L | |||
| Jack Hillen | 200 | 5.11 | 24 | L | 20:42 | 1:46 | 2:14 | Jack Hillen | 200 | 5.11 | 24 | L | |||
| Andy Sutton | 245 | 6.6 | 34 | L | 20:49 | 0:12 | 2:28 | James Wisniewski | 205 | 5.11 | 26 | R | 24:20 | 2:32 | 3:28 |
| Radek Martinek | 203 | 6.1 | 33 | R | 22:48 | 0:46 | 2:22 | Mark Eaton | 204 | 6.2 | 33 | L | 19:45 | 0:59 | 2:43 |
| Bruno Gervais | 205 | 6.1 | 25 | R | 20:01 | 1:05 | 2:24 | Radek Martinek | 203 | 6.1 | 34 | R | |||
| Freddy Meyer | 192 | 5.10 | 29 | L | 16:46 | 0:04 | 1:51 | Andrew MacDonald | 188 | 6.1 | 23 | L | |||
| Brendan Witt | 223 | 6.2 | 34 | L | 15:15 | 0:02 | 2:16 | Milan Jurcina | 236 | 6.4 | 27 | R | 17:26 | 0:05 | 2:19 |
| Andrew MacDonald | 188 | 6.1 | 23 | L | 20:05 | 1:41 | 1:16 | Bruno Gervais | 205 | 6.1 | 26 | R | |||
| Dylan Reese |
205 | 6.0 | 25 | R | 15:02 | 0:07 | 1:17 | Dylan Reese | 205 | 6.0 | 26 | R | |||
| Mark Katic |
185 | 5.11 | 20 | L | n/a | ~ | ~ | Mark Katic |
185 | 5.11 | 21 | L | |||
| Dustin Kohn | 200 | 6.2 | 22 | L | 11:36 | 0:00 | 0:10 | Dustin Kohn |
200 | 6.2 | 23 | L | |||
| Mark Flood |
190 | 6.1 | 25 | R | 12:43 | Travis Hamonic |
215 | 6.2 | 20 | R |
Note: All ice time figures are from 2009-10 only. I didn't duplicate the returning Isles' ice-time figures on the right side so as not to confuse that issue.
I don't generally advocate putting a whole lot of thought into left- or right-handedness on defense (Editor's question: Why did you compose this post, then?). But it is a factor on each team, and every team deals with the fact that good right-shooting defensemen are rarer than their lefty counterparts.
So if you look at how the Islanders began last season, you see their only two right-handed shots were Gervais and Martinek. If Scott Gordon ever had the spot game-situation need of a righty, those were his options, and Martinek's season-ending injury limited them even further. By the end of the year, Dylan Reese -- a mini-revelation, in my book -- came along, and Mark Flood got spot duty as a fill-in. That was the extent of righty options.
This year, however, they shape up much better in this category: Wisniewski is a legit threat with his righty shot. Martinek is back (fully healthy, but he's always an injury risk). Jurcina comes in as a depth guy, and Reese is an enticing option if anyone gets hurt. I haven't even mentioned Gervais yet, and oh by the way, the Isles new most promising blueline prospect just might be Hamonic, another right-shooting guy.
Roles: Better Fits?
If I were a betting man -- and maybe I'm betraying my hopes here -- I'd expect to see much less Gervais on both the PP and PK this season. If he is used in his "proper" role, then he's a 3rd-pairing or 7th guy who doesn't have to carry too much load. Those are probably the situations in which he can show the Good Bruno we see from time to time.
I would also suggest that Hillen be used less on the PK, with his (and Sutton's, and Bruno's) minutes replaced by the incoming Eaton, Wisniewski, and possibly Jurcina -- as well as by MacDonald and Martinek when healthy.
On the powerplay, inserting Wisniewski into the mix with stalwart Streit, a year-older Hillen, and a when-healthy Doug Weight means there isn't really an excuse to have Gervais or MacDonald out there on the powerplay.
Size: Better Distributed?
In the size department has come a more subtle shift. Jurcina is much bigger than Meyer but apparently doesn't play that way. Wisniewki is a little bigger than Meyer but plays as physically as Sutton. Eaton is a slightly bigger guy though hardly a hitting machine (he was credited with 27 hits for the Pens in 79 games last season, last among regulars). But with more guys in more appropriate roles, there is definitely an argument that the Islanders will have the size and physicality better distributed throughout the blueline.
Overall, in physical terms this lineup no longer consists of "Hopefully Sutton lays a big hip check tonight." If Hamonic should happen to make the team or see significant time later, that makes the profile all the more dangerous (and righty).
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In short, while Snow was unable to land any of the sexy big fish on the blueline UFA market this summer, just by virtue of having more guys playing to their own strengths, barring major injury (knock on wood) the Islanders defensive corps should be noticeably better than last season.
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Aug 20, 2010 1:58 PM EDT reply actions
Future is soon
Andy Sutton, Freddy Meyer and Brendan Witt were not the future of the defenses core. Although I thank all three for their services to the re-build guys like Hamonic, deHaan, McDonald, Kohn are. I suspect that guys like Jurcina, Wisniweski and Eaton are stop-gaps until the future D-corps is ready. So I am quite happy to have the new additions and not upset about the guys that were let go. The team is still in transition from cellar-dwellers to Stanley Cup contenders. So far it’s all good IMO.
To fix,
Eaton is a stop gap because of his age, and a very adequate stop gap at that.
Wiz and Jurcina are tests because of their age. Wiz is only 26 and looks to be at worst, a very solid top 4 guy. I don’t see any reason why we shouldn’t sign wiz after or during this year to a longer contract because of his age, promise of what we know he will bring in his all around game, and potential. Wiz isn’t on the team next year and not replaced by a legit top 4 d-man that can score 25-30pts+ next year, then I will be very dissappointed in Garth. Jurcina is a career #7 guy, who as of late showed he can be a #6 on the right team. Not bad, but he never lived up to his potential. Jurcina has the body to be a huge shutdown and physical d-man and the blueline shot to be a 20pt d-man. PROBLEM IS, he doesn’t use his size very much and doesn’t shoot the puck that much. That being said, the future d-core prospects are promising to say the least.
Go isles or Go home.
I see this year as a test for Wiz
Test to show he can excel at whatever role and minute-load as best, as well as a test to see how closely his view of himself at the end of the year corroborates with reality.
If he only plays like an average top-two guy who is better fit as a second-two guy, then I hope his contract demands reflect that. Otherwise, I don’t want to get stuck overpaying and locking up someone at a rate above where he fits. I do have real hope for him, I’m just a little cautious and don’t want to rush into anything.
Lighthouse Hockey: More defensemen than we know how to spell.
sorry wrong button.
D-men almost always seem to take a while to develop. Adrian Acoun was a whole lot of nothing until he all of a sudden seemed to get it a lot later in his career. I think there is the potential for at least one of these guys to really step up at some point. I think the D is marginally better. Still not planning to watch playoff hockey. Kinda think any marginal improvements for the D will be offset if Roloson doesn’t stand on his head again.
Definitely
I have that outside hope for Wiz just now hitting the age and opportunity of his prime.
And your Roloson-offset question is a fear I harbor as well. He will be 41 after all.
Lighthouse Hockey: More defensemen than we know how to spell.
Call me crazy
but, maaybeee, RDP is our starter- if not- why is he, Wang and Garth wasting our time, his career is over. Oh yeah, 13 more years to go.
Nearly enough defensemen to last through the injury bug
Sigh.
This is nothing personal against you, but I am very tired of seeing the phrase “wasting our time”.
Rick is an Islander, and if the Isles WERENT doing what they were doing they would be idiots.
Nobody is “wasting” any time here.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Aug 21, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
13 more years to go.
Gotta work on those math skills… it was 13y to go years ago.
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by TheMetalChick on Aug 21, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
All hockey management is risk management
Hey, maybe RDP is this year’s starter. It’d be a shock — as big a shock as if you told me before the All-Star Break three seasons ago that he’d play just a handful of games over the next two seasons.
There is no question he would not have an NHL contract right now if he didn’t, well, already have a contract. But as long as he’s here, you deal with what you have and adjust according to risk. I think beginning at last summer’s draft on through Roloson, Biron and the prospects they have knocking on the door this fall, they’ve done that just fine. I absolutely hated that contract and always will, but once I get past that I have no qualms with how they’re dealing with the reality of it.
Lighthouse Hockey: More defensemen than we know how to spell.
by Dominik on Aug 22, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I always think, it could have been worse.
Imagine if they gave him $6mil/yr? lol. Hopefully it will somehow work it’s way out in one way or the other. Either by DP getting healthy and playing as a starter/back-up, or having a blatant career-ending/doctor-confirmed injury, or DP being a well-paid career ahler.
Go isles or Go home.
Camp will be fun
It’ll be interesting to see how the new guys are going to mesh with Gordon’s system.
Dominik signed me for 20 years, and all I got was a press conference and a voided contract...
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
D is OK
Dominik good job. You said it all. The obvious view is that we are OK and of course the many changes that occur during the season , injuries , callups etc will change things. The Goalie situation is OK minus and the forward situation………well thats a story by you for another day.
There are cans in the cupboard again...
The one thing that is evident is that the organization now has some depth, and a working timeline for developing future players.
In regards to the D after spending most of the summer thinking out loud (typing out loud) here the Snowdon vision is becoming quite evident. This is going to be a much more MOBILE defense than when Snow gained autonomy… and the projections two or three years down the road make it look like the whole corp will be well rounded, puck and body moving defensemen. (In that regard I was sad to see a matriculated Meyer be voted of the island) .
There may have been bumps (only in, not on, my head) along the way (Sutton, Bergy, Meyer) but I think as fans we can see some light at the end of the tunnel. We will have at least 3 1/2 forwards on the ice at ALL times. At this point it looks as though bigger teams may dominate around the crease, but with some time and experience quicker more mobile D will rule their own zone… especially when they too gain strength with maturity.
Hey… my cup is just about half full!
My cup is 3/4 empty, How 'bout yours?
This roster looks like crap!
WOW, no additions up front! Same as last year, well be past in scoring. Just look at all the teams rosters………………..this is one of the weakest in the league! How is Wang gonna sell seats??
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Crap?
Let’s see, last year our d-core was one of the 5 worst in the league, partly from injuries, partly from aging, partly from giving starting jobs to unfit players. This year is completely different though.
This year our starting d-core has lost Witt, Gervais, Miracle-year Sutton, and up/down meyer as starters, while picking up Eaton-Solid top 4 shutdown/PK man, Wiz-a top 2 guy last year who can play the 2-way position adequately while bringing a great offensive game/threat to the table, jurcina a career #7/#6 guy who has the potential to be a top 4, and Hamonic-who will be a call up at least this year because of how well he has progressed in size and skills. Just saying Hamonic was CANADA’S world junior team’s top shutdown defenseman that helped them get to the finals, says enough about him. Not to mention the scouting report says: Hamonic is 6’2’’ 220lbs, lays out big hits, plays smart shutdown d, and has a great hard shot from the blueline. Lots of potential in him.
Just to explain how we are better too:
Wiz replaces sutton-better 2 way player that adds a lot of blueline offense while playing sutton’s shotblocking job adequately.
A-mac replaces Gervais as the “bottom 2” guy, playing much smarter and great shutdown d, while having a little bit of offensive potential.
Eaton replaces Witt as the top 4 shutdown guy witt was supposed to be. Eaton plays smart, has size, and helps greatly on the PK. A very good replacement.
Hillen-1 year older and more mature, while Streit is now given less roles and should have a more successful offensive season. Martinek is healthy, and if not, then Jurcina/Gervais/Hamonic should be able to fill that role adequately, while all still being on the depth chart ready to step-in if more injuries occer. And we are deeper still with Kohn, Reese, Flood, and others in the minors.
I’d say we are an average defense now overall(offensively and defensively), MUCH better then last year and we have much better depth, while being no where close to crap. Get your head out of you butt(forum friendly) and stop being a pessimist.
Go isles or Go home.
Young Forwards + one year older = more production.
Who are you going to replace among the top 6 forwards on the team?
Moulson/Tavares/Okposo as a top line
Bailey/Schremp/Comeau and a few other possibilities are all young. Who are you going to take away time from if you sign a new forward?
Dominik signed me for 20 years, and all I got was a press conference and a voided contract...
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
I am having difficulty deciphering this remark
WOW, no additions up front! Same as last year, well be past in scoring. Just look at all the teams rosters……………
You saw that this post was about the make-up of the defense, right?
Lighthouse Hockey: More defensemen than we know how to spell.
Up Front?
Apparently the purpose of this particular article, titled “Profiling the Islanders DEFENSE…” seems to have slipped right by the ol radar.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Aug 20, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
So many Bush Jokes to make, just don’t want to stir up trouble.
Dominik signed me for 20 years, and all I got was a press conference and a voided contract...
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
Um, huh?
I am so confused by that statement- maybe because you said it in response to me?
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Aug 21, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
In short, Bush said he never got a report on terrorism while he was on the Crawford ranch in August on 01. The next day people found photos of Condelleza Rice handing Bush a folder that said on it’s front “Terrorists plan strike on US Soil” and he then claimed that the inside of the report had nothing to do with terrorism.
Dominik signed me for 20 years, and all I got was a press conference and a voided contract...
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
I understand what youre saying, I dont understand how it ties to what I said.
I guess Im having a blonde moment because Im still so confused.
At least you arent saying Im a conservative republican, which was what I thought at first lol.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Aug 21, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
You gotta be kidding!
You say……..“people found photos” LOL………..WTF does that mean?? Laying around on the floor at a party somewhere?? Are you serious? You think 911 was an inside job? OMG, where were these photos found anyway?
They were AP Wire Photos. So there are a good amount of them floating around that people haven’t looked at.
Dominik signed me for 20 years, and all I got was a press conference and a voided contract...
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
Hard to believe
So youre telling me that someone snapped a picture of Condi handing a folder to Bush? That sounds absurd! Who would even think of taking such a picture, that has access to those two people?
Have you seen the pics? Where can I see them?
Yeah I have to agree that it really would be an unbelievably insanely convenient koinkydink of a picture to have randomly been taken for what at the time would have been no reason whatsoever.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Aug 24, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
The memory hole
In truth, they are constantly snapping photos of W.H. meetings and mundane paper exchanges for archives, memoirs, and to distribute sanitized “behind-the-scenes” shots to the press. So it’s possible — but quite unlikely — something with such a sensitive title was snapped in a legible form and allowed.
I think I recognize the issue here though: When that story became clearer during the hearings (essentially, GWB said he didn’t get such a memo, but Rice later testified that the August memo (PDB) indeed existed and was titled “[Spoiled Saudi Brat Asshole Who Lives in a Cave but Shall Not Be Named] Determined to Attack Inside the United States”), a lot of outlets used wire photos of that month at Crawford (“Here’s Condi and Dubya in casual clothes exchanging papers at a ranch. Weee!”) as an illustration. I don’t think there was an actual photo, but the illustrations three years later probably implied that, particularly once it got jumbled in the memory of what is now six years after the hearings.
But we don’t want to touch this topic here, do we?
Lighthouse Hockey: More defensemen than we know how to spell.
Im sure your opportunity to appropriately vent about the offense will come soon enough. :)
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Aug 21, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
nice break down Dom
I look at that, and I know this will make Chick mad…but Ihope to se Harmonic on the team instead of Martinek
Striet/A-Mac
Wiz/Hillen
Eaton/Harmonic
Gervais or Martinek as 7th guy and the other traded
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
HAMonic...
would have to have an amazing camp not to get a at least a 2 month tour in Boot Capuano… after that there should be plenty of opportunities for him to get a taste of NHL action… if he deserves it.
My cup is 3/4 empty, How 'bout yours?
Love the way Hamonic plays, he likes to jump up on the rush too. Saw it watching the Memorial cup and in the Orange/Blue scrimmage. Also check him out on youtube laying out Taylor Hall.
That being said, the Isles, especially on D, are finally in a position where there is some NHL level depth so they can afford to be sure a prospect is ready before calling him up. I think no matter what he starts in the A and then if he really seems like he is out playing the last D-man on the Island, you bring him up.
Booo!
Youre not getting rid of Radek! :P
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Aug 20, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
radek as the 7th?!
have you gone completely mad?!?! radek is a top 4 guy easily when healthy
In Garth we trust!
But what if Radek stays healthy for the entire season? Do you think that he would still be situated in the 7th spot with shut down capabilities that he has? IF he can stay healthy I think you have to keep him in your top line. Witt isn’t there to draw “playing him too tough” calls anymore and it appears that Radek may be the ONLY player on the Isles D that could be the Crosby/Gaborik/Ovechkin fire blanket that we have. I like A-Mac but I don’t think he is ready for the likes of those 3 let alone Richards and the beast of a team that Philly will bring to town.
It is official, I am moving back to Long Island in about 2-3 weeks.
by metalcoconut on Aug 21, 2010 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Great Review,
I rank our D as average now and right in the middle of the pack. We have some shutdown d-men, we have some respectable and good offensive d-men. We still lack a little size, we lack a little toughness, and we lack a little experience, but we are a good defense none the less. And, we should be more then adequate for the season in depth and overall abilities. Are we amazing? No. Are we great yet? No. Our we good with the potential to be a great defense? YES. I like our D going forward and am happy with it. Compared to last year, this is a nice fix and gift from Garth. All the complainers should just realize how much of an improvement this is from last year, and that if garth landed Volchenkov over Eaton or Martin/Gonchar over Wiz like he tried, you guys would be crying with joy. Look at the D as it is, more then adequate, at worst average, it has great depth, and is a BIG improvement from last year.
Go isles or Go home.
I agree
The only negative is still not having a guy who can intimidate the enemy hanging in the crease – think a Pronger type. Statistically a lot of screen shots and garbage goals decide games.
Yes,
that where our lack of size hurts us. We are missing that big/tall guy to keep guy’s honest and uneasy in front of the net. Jurcina could turn into that guy, but that’s very unlikely. Hamonic could turn into one, but he’s not polished enough to do it out of camp yet.
Go isles or Go home.
I think Wis’ might be that crazy angry fart in the crease. Of course he might injure himself doing so, but he’s probably good for some sneaky whacks that leave a mark.
(But overall I agree; some intimidation is needed, and Eaton and Jurcina don’t really add any of that.)
Lighthouse Hockey: More defensemen than we know how to spell.
I like the D as it stands – Snow has really kept the same 3 ‘veterans’ in the top 6 theme that he used last year (Streit, Martinek and Sutton last year, Streit, Martinek and Eaton this year) and allows the rest of the spots to be filled by kids that are coming into their primes.
That say – regardless of the additions, which were right up Snow’s alley due to the strong defenseman market this off-season, the thing I am most excited for is to see MacDonald, Hillen and Co continue to mature and improve…
by HugoAgogo on Aug 20, 2010 5:22 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Good!
Yes keep Radek, he shut down Ovechkin to one shot B4 the injury. Bruno I’m on the fence, he may be the odd man out.
Wiz on the PP
The best thing in my opinion about having Wiz join the top PP unit will be seeing KO fighting for turf in front of the crease and using those soft hands around the net rather than trying to man the other point on the blueline…I hated when Gordon put him back there.
by mdelbags on Aug 20, 2010 9:43 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I never understood that decision
Or rather, I understood it in that KO is a smart all-around hockey player, but once it didn’t pay dividends it started to feel forced. In contrast, Frans Nielsen seemed much more poised there during his brief stint there last year. I don’t want either of them there long-term and I don’t mind the outside-the-box idea, but no need to force it.
Lighthouse Hockey: More defensemen than we know how to spell.

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