Grading the Islanders: Jon Sim, pest incumbent
by Dominik on Aug 18, 2010 7:00 AM EDT
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PrintIt's almost with hesitation that I bring up Jon Sim, he of the most letter-efficient name this side of Asia. Sim's not a remarkable NHLer -- not a very good one, in fact -- which means he's an automatic target for general fan rage on fourth-liners.
Whether it's Nate Thompson or Sim or any other "checking" bottom-six guy, I don't get too riled up about them until they're clearly blocking someone who's clearly better. And usually that's tough to gauge, since the minutes being used are not exactly the prime minutes you'd give to an upside prospect who fans typically want to see. For example, Sim usually got between 8 and 11 minutes last year, though he somehow was the Islanders' sixth-highest goal scorer.
This season the Islanders may finally have multiple candidates who fit that description (Martin, Joensuu, others), which lets the two-way nature of the deal they re-signed Sim to mitigate the surprise he's still around at all: If his veteran calm and agitator abilities are still needed, Scott Gordon's not afraid to deploy him. If his time has come, the organization has shown it's not afraid to make the hard decisions with him. As a veteran coming off a three-year, $3 million NHL deal down to a two-way contract, we know he'll be hungry.
Regardless, he's next on the alphabet, so his report card for 2009-10 comes now.
Jon Sim
#16 / Left Wing / New York Islanders
5-10
195
Sep 29, 1977
11-ish
Re-signed to 1-year, 2-way ($650k NHL, $105k AHL)
Preseason View: "Will they bring him back from Bridgeport banishment?"
As for what Sim does provide in the third/fourth-line role, much of that was covered in the post about his signing: He can check, draw more than his share of penalties from the opposition, and be an effective pest who can distract the league's shameless leeches from achieving their nefarious goals of making a given night about something other than hockey.
What he can't do is drive the play -- BenHasna showed him to be the least effective regular Isles forward by Corsi -- nor handle tough competition, so he shoudn't be seen as a checking line candidate in the sense of handling the opponent's best. Nope, this one is strictly energy/agitator.
That said, this post isn't about what he might provide if called upon next season. Rather, this is about how he performed in 2009-10, and how that measured up to the expectations you had for him entering the season. Personally, I thought even hitting 13 goals was a bonus. Meanwhile, BenHasna remarked how amazing it was that he managed only 3 assists before March 13.
The Poem
Eleven seasons, eight teams
Now matching his longest tenure with any team:
If there were a Hall of Pests, would Sim enter
Wearing an Isles hat, or a Stars one?
Just two games in oh-seven-oh-eight
Forty-nine the next before Bridgeport banishment
Resurrection, last year a career-high seventy-seven.
For this year, we expect nothing
Except a continued trend: The unexpected.
If he mitigates Avery just once, maybe twice
His two-way paycheck will be earned.
The Grade
Here's where you grade Sim's 2009-10 based on your preseason expectations -- so if you thought he was awful and he delivered exactly what you expected, your grade should actually be a 5, and not the 1 that you're dying to give him.
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I gave him a 7...
To me, Jon SIm showed that he wanted to be here through his hustle to the last second of the game. Although he had low minutes, he was one of the only players to make every second count. He was one of the only Islanders to plop his butt infront of the net everytime in the offensive zone and hack away for the dirty goals. I think he filled his role by agitating people, including ex-teammate Andy Sutton – which was hysterical. He wasn’t afriad to check anyone and always made sure he gave them a bump. Remember the time he and Pronger were going at it (lol). He will stand up to anyone in the league no matter their size. Overall this past year we got what we wanted out of Sim with a bit extra.
I think his signing for one more year is perfect. He will probably start in October but look for him to be swapping minutes with Martin. Martin’s future role with the Isles will be similar to Sim’s in terms of getting to the front of the net and fighting for the dirty goals along with the occasional fight and a bunch of checks. Maybe Sim will sign on for some time in Bridgeport next year to mentor players with a similar style to Sim/Martin. Although there isn’t much talent to his name, his dedication and loyalty to his team are the things that make Jon Sim worth having around.
by kcNYI on Aug 18, 2010 8:57 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Better than Weight
Snow must feel very insecure at the Bridge if he needs Sim there , with a call-up to the Island in a disaster. With a new bunch of new bigger hopefuls ahead of him , I guess Weight will play keeper for the pre school brood.
Wow
I cant believe how high some of these expectations were… no wonder some of you were so disappointed!
I mean, Eight votes for 2 or 1?
Who did these people think Jon Sim was- Ziggy Palffy lol?
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I agree
I think that a lot of fans just look at production. The attitude of ‘any forward who doesn’t score 20 goals is a scrub who deserves to be in bridgeport.’ They forget that hockey is a game where there are many different roles. I’ve seen posts along the lines of “Franz was alright but I was expecting more than 38 points.” Now whether Sim was the best player for the role he was assigned is another issue I’m not tackling here, but its silly to get on him for lack of production- which, given his TOI, he performed pretty well in that department. 13 goals in todays game is nothing to sneeze at
Had to give him a three
Though I agree somewhat with TMC – that we weren’t counting on 20 goals or 50 points – Sim is just so eminently replaceable. I had no objections to re-signing him, but I will be astonished if he crosses the Bridge for more than half the games. He’s strictly a “break glass in case of typical Islanders injured list” sort of player, and if he finds himself back on the PP or trying to keep up with an opponent’s top line, he and the Isles are hosed.
My latest contract is for 31 years.
3 Agreed
With the offensive chances he was given he should have had at least 3 more goals…those games could have been won in straight time rather than overtime or simply lost. Of course he is no Ziggy Palffy but with the amount of opportunities he was afforded…
I look at him as a reverse skill set Happy Gilmore. He can skate fast but he simply hits a force field every time the net is open. You may as well get Apolo Ohno on the ice.
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by metalcoconut on Aug 18, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
with the amount of opportunities he was afforded…
??? You really think he was given all these opportunities? I think that he got like 8-9 mins a night on bottom lines… and I think that because, indeed, thats what happened.
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by TheMetalChick on Aug 18, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
there you go again...
letting facts get in the way of a perfectly good unwarranted dismissal.
My cup is 3/4 empty, How 'bout yours?
LOL! Nice. I still have hair and I would like to retain the current amount that I possess. Jon Sim does not help with that plan.
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by metalcoconut on Aug 18, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Dont worry about your coconut
Simmer will get some games with the Isles when there are injuries. They arent going to be bringing him up all the time because, tell you the truth, someone might pick him off waivers and then theres one less capable player for Bridgeport.
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by TheMetalChick on Aug 18, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
To quote my favorite movie chef of all time, "It’s not the (8-9) minutes that matter. It’s what happens in that 8-9 minutes — Elmo, Vision Quest. He looked at so many open nets and missed them that tuna fish are asking for his secrets. Half a season of that I can understand but when it happens throughout the entire season…something has to give. If you simply want someone quick out there that can draw penalties I’m sure there are a number of people out there that would be able to accomplish that feat. However, if the person is going to have an open net and miss continuously I think it might be beneficial to look elsewhere. I don’t see Jon Sim as a possible next Jason Blake so what is the harm in trying someone new and younger?
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by metalcoconut on Aug 18, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t see Jon Sim as a possible next Jason Blake so what is the harm in trying someone new and younger?
Im still not getting you. Simmer is on a two way deal and will be playing in Bridgeport! Whats the problem with that?
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by TheMetalChick on Aug 18, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
If he stays in Bridgeport I have no problem with that. Actually I think it would be great if he played for Bridgeport but I don’t trust that he will stay there. If he plays significant amounts of games with the Isles, which I believe that he will (20-30+ games) with them, then you are admitting that mediocrity was your goal as a GM. They know that he can’t shoot and yet they still use him for 8-9 minutes a night. It is a wasted chance in my book. I admire his tenacity and I promise you that I have nothing against him but with a rebuilding team I just don’t see the harm of trying a young gun in that position, even as a call up.
I just don’t think that we will see eye-to-eye on this one and that is fine. We can agree to disagree. That is part of why I love this board.
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by metalcoconut on Aug 18, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Sometimes the best thing for a developing kid is to get NHL experience.
Other times, its to get big minutes in the AHL.
When the Isles go one way many people say they wish the player was developing in the AHL.
When they go the other way, many people say they wish the young guns were up here playing.
It seems to me that good teams generally do both… but in the case of the Isles, fans tend to be upset at either!
Youre right, we do disagree- role players like Sim are IMO more important than youre giving them credit for being. But youre also right that its fine, and I agree that things like this are what makes this board so good. Its very nice to disagree and not have someone insult you for it! :)
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by TheMetalChick on Aug 18, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you want to fight for the hell of it? :)
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by metalcoconut on Aug 18, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
And what the HELL do you mean by that???????
WELL???
(How’m I doin?)
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by TheMetalChick on Aug 19, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
This is actually one of the reasons I love hockey's ambiguities
Veteran experience vs. young kid learning the ropes a little bit at a time? Old washed-up downer sucking up space vs. kid rushed up and in way over his head?
I think we can all think of examples from both sides of each category, which is what makes this stuff (and this board) fun for me, particularly in August. There’s no magic formula — at least not one you can figure out before the fact (“I just KNEW Guerin was the perfect piece to help the Pens get the Cup and not some Poni-kome-lately who would do nothing”) — so it’s fun to hear where everyone stands.
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I also had no qualms about him being resigned, a lot of people were a little miffed by that but I think he’s a good cheap option for a bottom six player who might come in handy down the line this season if our forward corp is hit hard by injuries. He’s a hard-hat player who isn’t very exciting and I think most would like to see a young prospect take his role like a Martin or Joensuue; but we might be very happy we signed him come February
7...with an explanation your honor.
I think this year was worthy of a 6… easy. He not only performed his role as the pest, but managed 13 goals on an offensively challenged team. The added point is for two valient entries on his resume.
1. He manned up last year after being exiled and played just as hard in BP as he did in Uniondale. That, obviously, earned him some respect among his peers and his superiors.
2. Sim’s role as an aggitator would have been vastly more appreciated if the Islanders were more efficient on the PP. He took a lot of abuse to earn a good number of “roughing” penalties and retaliation trips, spears and hooks… and for what?
I see Sim getting a good number of games int eh NHL this year, but I don’t see him standing in the way of a ready Martin or Joensuu. The only question is, when will they be ready?
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Interesting points
I forgot about that, but having a flimsy PP sure takes some of the bite out of drawing you into the box.
I am fascinated by the Martin and JJ question. Makes me wish the NHL bothered to, you know, maybe stream preseason games. I would love it if JJ with that body of his could become an NHLer, but I fear this will be his last year on these shores.
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I thought...
There was enough to earn him(JJ) a shot this year… but then you look at the AHL numbers and it’s hard to justify a full time NHL job (chance). The same goes for Martin, but Martin will bring more intangibles to the team than Joensuu. I think Joensuu’s window closed when Garth chose that kid from Portland…. what’s his name?
There’s also a buzz in the back of my head that says, “these guys aren’t go-go players”… and it’s times like this where decisions are made on faith in system v talent.
If the team remains SOFT in an effort to quench the thirst for quickness and they continue to lose… hopefully Gordon doesn’t get as much rope as Milbury did.
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I may be too hard on JJ (he’s just turning 23, big bodies can develop slower, etc.), but I just look at his type and output and think, “Okay, you’re billed as a scorer yet you’ve never really put up glitzy numbers. Not sure you can skate well enough to be a checker/energy guy. Where am I to project you?”
Seems like either he grabs a Holmstrom-style Crease Shadow role or he won’t find a niche.
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At least with Martin and JJ we can hope and dream – with Sim even at his best I think of the recent past and mediocracy.
Hoping and dreaming is fine- but the real truth is that we do not even know if kids like the ones mentioned here will even be as successful as Jon Sim. People dont want to think about that but it really is true.
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by TheMetalChick on Aug 18, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Excellent Point
Simmer has been a PROFESSIONAL HOCKEY PLAYER for much better teams than the NY Islanders. Yet NY Islander fans dismiss him as though they were 1981 NYI fans… I think some of us need to get over ourselves.
JJ, MM, NN… may all be good to great, but as of right now not one of them even qualifies for the NHL pension plan…(or would be recognized without a PLAYERS BADGE in another arena) maybe that should be their first hurdle before we put them in the HOF.
And… I have said this before, and I’ll have to reiterate. The Isles have filled their holes from the bottom with designs on pushing the middle to the top. Why do we expect so much from a guy like Sim? They have had four years to fill holes from the top and allow the middle to excell on the bottom… but they have not been able to do that.
I think we’re at a point where patience is our only hope, and guys like Sim allow us to have a little more patience with middle guys like JJ and MM, and a possible top guy like NN.
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by JPinVA on Aug 18, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Have To Agree
I really do not have a great feeling about the guys we have in the minors. If they were going to have an impact with islanders, they would already be here and would have shown it already. With that said, though, give these guys a shot to show up or flame out……better than a vet getting similar points/minutes
If they were going to have an impact with islanders, they would already be here and would have shown it already
While I agree that there aren’t a whole lot of blue-chip prospects in Bridgeport at the moment, if any, I do think that we do have some good prospects who project as role-players developing nicely there. In fairness I think Martin did show last year that he should be at least considered for a job this coming this season; and I think that with him it is a question of when and not if. For a fifth round pick drafted three years ago he has advanced very quickly though the system and the fact that he played at all last year at the NHL level is quite an achievement. His time in Bridgeport last year and probably this coming year is just a matter of development, and not a matter of him not proving himself.
don't agree
Yea he gives 100% when he plays…..But: he takes away space on the ice and bench. We know what he can do…. Played for Philly 5 years ago and had 33Gs since than its been downhill now age 33. So he is filling holes, to me thats not part of teaching or rebuilding. I’d rather give someone else a shot. Maybe there is another Moulson around. Pushing up from the bottom or what ever is not going to make this team better or more fun to watch. Yes no one of the kids is a sure thing for the HOF but Sim is certainly a below average player at this point
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Sim has never scored 33 goals in the NHL. I think you may be referring to time with the Philadelphia Phantoms of the AHL, when he scored 35 goals.
I stand corrected…. but it only strengthens my point A for effort, but hard work doesn’t earn you a spot on an NHL team…… now you could argue that we’re not that at this point but that would be unfair and maybe untrue.
That's funny...
But: he takes away space on the ice and bench
FROM WHO?
Of the three prospects whom he might be [stealing] time from the most worthy might be Martin. (I say that because if there are signs that NN is ready not even James Caan could steal his time). For me, and most fans like me, Matt is on the cusp of being an all-time favorite… but is he ready? He’s 21, and probably as physically mature as he’s going to be.
He had a passable season in Bridgeport last year (12-19-31-113 in 71 games). But is he ready to be an IMPACT player in the NHL. That seems to be the question right now. The Isles don’t even have a solid #2 option at LW currently, unless they move Bailey to the wing. So they may be juggling JJ, PP and MM at different points of the season. Add an injury here or there and you are going to be very thankful that there is a Jon Sim who can play 9-12 minutes without getting his shorts all in a ruffle.
Your “Matt Moulson” to be, just may be PA Parentau… If that happens, well great… but I’m thinking it’s more like a left wing carousel for the better part of 50 games… and the only horse with any experience is Sim. So… don’t look a gift horse in the mouth…. even if he won’t get you to the brass ring anymore.
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I agree. As exciting as would be to see NN or MM as full time Islander next season; not only can we not rely on them being ready but we also have to consider there own development. There is no need to rush anybody at this point. If the goal is to build a contender for 3-5 years down the line than we have to be patient.
NEws:
A player like Matt Martin for example will never score like that, either. Will you hate him, too?
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by TheMetalChick on Aug 18, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t hate anyone…. I respect JS. but this not the social work hour. If every pre season we take the view that we have to be patient a little while longer this discussion can be taped for the summer of 2011. By then you can substitute a different name. I’d rather lose with the up and coming young players. Then at least we will see who is part of the future. It’s not JS.
It's interesting how...
…that dynamic reverses as a team gets better.
Just a couple of points….
1. the Isles do not have a full NHL roster… by a long shot.
2. the more kids you throw in the mix to “speculate” the less chance they have of actually showing you anything more than POTENTIAL.
3. You can’t keep bottom filling and expect mediocrity to rise to greatness.
I’m going to go with the theory that Snow has tried and failed to bring in top level talent to compliment the high draft picks the team has acquired through SUCKING. But when Snow started this his cupboard was ABSOLUTELY devoid of talent. Thank you Mr. Milbury.
I think I made this poit a few weeks ago… This team does not have one PROVEN top 6 forward on the roster…. NOT ONE. They have a few with potential and a year (or two) under their belts, but not one has been a 60+ point guy for multiple years. Hey… nobody has even had ONE 60 point season.
Why throw more POTENTIAL on the fire before it’s ready. BUILD AN ORGANIZATION. Let some of these kids grow, and don’t make them face competition they aren’t ready for.
I’d bet if this was Bailey’s rookie year they’d be talking about him as a calder candidate… yeah… I think he might be that good… but it’ll be his third year… and for a third year player he’ll be blah. (we’ll know the truth)… the same goes for Kyle.
I think Martin might be ready for the NHL, but I really don’t think that Nino should be rushed just to sell season tickets…. but when you look at what else they’ve done to sell tickets… they don’t have many other options.
THIS IS A TIME FOR PATIENCE… even more so than the previous two years when they had NOTHING, complimented by less than nothing, with no depth. We’ll have enough to enjoy watching with the maturity burst of a few 20-25 year olds, and maybe some surprises with Parentau, Martin, and the new defenseman… how about a Hamonic mid season call up.
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"I’d rather lose with the up and coming young players."
I would too, if they’re truly up-and-coming. But I can’t get past the reality that prospects are “prospects” for a reason, and the fact is most of them don’t pan out. They just don’t. We don’t know which ones will and which ones won’t, but we can guarantee many won’t. So you try to put them in the best position to succeed, including (if necessary) extra reps in the AHL.
So to me it’s proper tactics (when you are talent-starved, and can’t find quick fixes) to fill the depths with established (and cheap) veteran backups who can fill in when needed. Just take a look at Sim, he’s a known quantity with a profile to match: Big scorer in juniors, point-per-game player in the AHL/IHL, grinding point-per-three-games winger in the NHL. It’s not sexy, but it’s a known quantity you turn to if and when the other kids you hope establish themselves, don’t.
On top of that, since the price of established NHLers like that has dropped so low (once a Sim could command 3 years, $3 million, now his kind is scrambling for two-way deals), it makes sense to add some of those on the cheap to go with your other hopefuls.
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Love it
And I totally agree with you on all of this.
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by TheMetalChick on Aug 18, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
And maybe
He is to be the role model for Morency and Haley who are similar type players, but younger and can fight better, but right now, take far too many stupid penalties.
by Keith Quinn on Aug 18, 2010 9:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You expected him to score 50, didn’t you?
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Anything less than John LeClair 95-99 --> unacceptable
My hatred for Sim (and Sutton) is more meme-generated than anything else, but my head explodes when I see him on the PP. If he played 7 maximum 8 minutes a night, I’d be . . . somewhat less hateful.
Oh I know
I’m just giving you lip. I think it’s safe to say his PP days are over. All told he didn’t get much time there at all last year.
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Good News For Jon Sim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With Andy Hilbert back in the organization , some people will probably revert back to relentlessly bashing him instead!
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Oh he got plenty of bashing, Matt!
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by TheMetalChick on Aug 18, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I realize that now, having just read the post about us resigning him. One fan was saying he’s not going to any more Islander games. I wonder if some people understand what a two-way contract is.
Amazing isnt it?
And this here is NOTHING- Im sure the Isles former ‘official’ message board is filled with 10+ pages of enraged ranting over this.
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by TheMetalChick on Aug 18, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I liked Andy...
But I also came up with the “First Base” Andy due to his awkwardness around the net. Hilbert was another one of those guys that Snow was forced to sign to fill a role he didn’t quite belong in… but eventually, like water, found his own level.
Hopefully, his new role with the Isles will be even less than his last one. He can defitely fill the void that Park left should they find themselves needing PK help. But I think the more attractive role will be as a top 6 forward in BP to help the kids like Rakhshani, Figren, Ullstrom and the like develop.
My guess is that there are more MEET ME AT LIGHTHOUSE sightings in Uniondale than Andy Hilbert ones.
Hmmm… maybe Sim and Hilbert can deal at the new casino… just a thought… could you imagine getting your balls busted by Jon Sim, The Blackjack Dealer.
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that dates back to Logan's Nudesday Blog
After a game where he missed a yawning net while fumbling around with the puck I commented, “He looked like a HS kid trying to get to second base in the backseat of his dad’s car”… The poor guy was stuck at first base for the rest of the year. Bergy and Kyle have gone through similar periods, but I blame their issues on adult acne more than hand eye coordination.
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
Ah Memories
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by TheMetalChick on Aug 18, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems every boy who survives his teens should’ve developed excellent hand-eye coordination. I’m just sayin’.
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Definitely a Depth pickup for Bridgeport. Good to see they are trying to make sure BP is competitive.
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You have to understand what Jon Sim is. A hard worker who has carved out a nice niche for himself since being drafted in the 3rd round in 1996. 20 players of the 27 from his round either never reached the NHL or played only a handful of games. He’s never going to be The Answer, or even a long term solution for any team. But if you want to bring in someone for a season or two, or for short stints, he can get it done. I’ll never understand the bit irrational dislike for him, as if someone in BP could go out and prove they were better then him, I’m sure the Islanders would bench him. As I said when the Islanders brought him back, if the youngsters can’t outplay Jon Sim then send them back to the Jrs/Minors and let it be a wakeup call that just because your a highly touted prospect you still have to play for your position.
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by Mark D on Aug 18, 2010 5:33 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Pass
one of the few guys on the roster who would go here-woeks for me.
Nearly enough defensemen to last through the injury bug
by since70too on Aug 18, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Moulson is a prime example of the the good things that happen when you try someone new.
You know what you are going to get from Sim and in my opinion it is not good enough. Sure he draws penalties and drives the net but a 22 year old can do the same thing with the possibility that they might hit the open net when given the opportunity.
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by metalcoconut on Aug 18, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
In fairness Sim scored 13 goals last year with fairly limited TOI, regardless of how many open nets he missed. (Kyle and JT had there fair share of missed chances as well, along with every other Islander) I wouldn’t mind seeing MM or JJ next year but if you think they are going to score more than Sim did I think you might be very disapointed.
The nice thing is
With a guy like Sim, an injury on the Isles will not necesarily result in “OH KNOW WTF DO WE DO NOW?” mentality. Also, with a guy like Sim down in Bpt, if players like MM ARE called up, Bridgeport will not go to shit while they are trying to get a good playoff position. They have gotten inadvertently screwed over every season the last 3 years because of injuries and the Isles keeping their top rookies with the big club. Bridgeport is a business, too.
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by TheMetalChick on Aug 18, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Bridgeport is a business, too.
I’m glad you said that. Most Isle fans (myself included most of the time) only view BP from the perspective of “how can it help the big club” and forget that BP is not only a business but also has its own fanbase that is ultimately the responsibility of the Islanders. JPinVa has pointed out the need for good veteren centers in BP to help the development of key prospects down there. That’s a great point that I hadn’t really considered until he mentioned that. We as fans should very much be concerned with the health of BP, mostly but not just because it greatly affects the big club. Is it any coincidence that Washington’s affiliate Hershey finished 60 and 17? I don’t know if Capital fans were hostile when they signed Keith Acoin in the same way some isle fans seem to feel about veteren AHL players being brought in but I’m sure the large stable of prospects in Hershey sure as hell liked having him around.
I am definitely guilty of that
I’m glad you said that. Most Isle fans (myself included most of the time) only view BP from the perspective of "how can it help the big club" and forget that BP is not only a business but also has its own fanbase that is ultimately the responsibility of the Islanders
And I do feel shame.
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Kyle and JT are under the age of 23 and expected to miss nets. 33 and an open net…I just can’t wager my sanity against that in a close game when it could mean the difference between 2 pts for the isles and 0 for the opponent. Since the Isles are developing a young team there are a lot of those close scores. That means that either my sobriety or my sanity is going to take a hit.
It is official, I am moving back to Long Island in about 2-3 weeks.
by metalcoconut on Aug 18, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
His shooting percentage was pretty good at over 10%. Goal scoring was obviously a problem last year but you can’t lay that rap on Sim. I think he more than pulled his weight in that department, given his role and TOI. He was sixth in goals despite averaging only 11:39 seconds in ice time. Tim Jackman was the only Islander to play more than fifty games and average less ice time. Kyle Okposo averaged nine more minutes of ice time a game on average then Sim and yet only scored six more goals. Now this post isn’t meant to bash anyone, and I’m not the worlds biggest Sim fan either. I just want to be fair to him. Goal production was not a problem. We can be anecdotal and say he missed a lot of open nets OR we can look at the stats.
by MatthewM11 on Aug 19, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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13 goals in the NHL while playing 10 min. per game is O.K. for a forth liner. given his willingness to go to the tough places I expected that kind of production form him. I would have given him a 7 but his corsi supprised me- thoght he was stronger defensively- forth liners need to be.
Nearly enough defensemen to last through the injury bug
I would have given him a 7 but his corsi supprised me
They surprised me too. Watching the games I thought he did a better job defensively then I guess he actually did. Good point about his production though. That seems to be the one gripe people have about him (not scoring enough) and ironically that was probably the best aspect of him game; given his TOI
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