Jankowski Not Extended Contract, Parts Ways with Isles
by IslesOfficial on Jul 7, 2010 4:24 PM EDT
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As reported by Katie Strang of Newsday (subscription required), the Islanders have not extended a contract renewal to long-time Assistant GM and Head of Amateur Scouting, Ryan Jankowski. It's gonna be sad to see Janks go as he's helped to put this team back to a place of respectibility. Garth Snow will now assume the duties that will be left open by Jankowski's absence.
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it's such breaking news....
that dom didnt even have time to put a witty description in for the pic
:-)
Scaramouch, Scaramouch, will you do the Fandango ?
-sorry, that pic just screams Boh/Rhap to me
haha, it’s a fanpost by IslesOfficial that was bumped to the front page.
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oh my bad, didnt realize that
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-sorry, that pic just screams Boh/Rhap to me
So breaking, IslesOfficial beat me to it! Which is lucky — I was on my way to a meeting and wasn’t sure whether to postpone.
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Oh, and I changed the picture (with caption!) to make sure we’re legal…
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Not a prob
I wanted to make sure to get the story up before you so I put in the first picture I could find. LOL!
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by IslesOfficial on Jul 8, 2010 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Tough year for Jankowski if he was actually not re-newed without another opening to go to especially with his Dad passing not too long ago.
How many other teams have the GM also perform head of amateur scouting duties as well? You would think that if the Islanders knew this was going to take place and was part of the plan, they would have had someone else in the wings.
Just curious that the Islanders are not replacing the head of amateur scouting and the assistant GM. Quick look and teams like the Red Wings, Devils, Pens, BlackHawks, Sharks and Caps have these duties spread out among several people and it sounds like Garth is going to do it all. Even the Sabres have one and they went to video scouting. Wang has obviously come a long way from a committee running the show to Snow.
I’m not ready to jump off of a cliff, since we really don’t know exactly the circumstances and how much Jankowski really did, but it is curious how the Islanders filter news and leave a lot to speculation.
But their typical MO has been to give Newsday a couple of tweets and then not really answer any questions unless they are promoting somehting wher they need fan support. So I’m not expecting too many details, which is fine as long as the team continues to show they have a direction and Snow builds a Cup winner. Just wonder where that leaves Jaffe and Gordon?
Garth doing it all
What I don’t know, and what they never really talk about, is how many people they have behind the scenes in what roles. There has to be a major division of labor anyway, so I wonder if Garth’s role started to encompass Jankowski’s so much that they found the fabled “redundancy”?
…or if there was slow differing of opinion?
…or if Snow always sought a different structure but waited for the contract to run out?
Could be any number of scenarios. To hear that the news was only broken to him in the last 24 hours is a little disheartening. But I guess you want a guy’s full attention at the draft before you give him the ax.
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Pure speculation,,,
but the NHL is a small community so how you treat your employees has a big impact on how you attract talent. If they really just let him know yesterday that he wasn’t being re-newed (NOTE: he wasn’t fired), then it just seems strange. He either had to see it coming or the organization didn’t handle it very well.
The redundancy issue was the reason I looked to see how many organizations actually divide the labor among GM and Head of Amateur scouting. What I found in my cursory check was that more often than not teams had a GM, Assistant GM and also a Head of Amateur scouting. Its just another oddity in how the Islanders do business, it may turn out to be the best way for the Islanders to operate, but it certainly isn’t the traditional way.
Could it be Big head Syndrome (BS)?
Perhaps Garth got tired of the Snowjanks references and didn’t want anyone else getting any credit. Having watched folks attempt multiple roles in the past (coach/GM for Pat Quinn in Vancouver comes to mind) you ended up with someone doing a crap job in two departments. I’m quite convinced that if Garth doesn’t have ALOT of support we’ll be seeing a drop off somewhere.
There’s a world of difference between a coach/GM and a GM who decides to take over the Head of Amatuer Scouting and Assistant GM positions.
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I agree completely but the analogy still holds imho as there are clearly significant demands from both jobs. I am merely suggesting that wearing two hats often leads to shortfalls in one role or the other if not both.
For all we know
the whole thing about the position not being replaced might be that they dont want someone to be asst GM AND in charge of scouting. Its not like Katie Strang has any real information, just some random unnamed “source”.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 8, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
It almost seems like if she does try and find any info that is not given directly to her by the Isles, she could be shut off from all info. That’s a Dolan tactic that worked with MSG and the reporters that didn’t perform charity PR.
they are behaving like an organization that has skeletons
when they actually may not. It was one thing to create an air of mystery about the Tavares pick. It is quite another to create it about every business decision the team makes.
It was one thing to create an air of mystery about the Tavares pick. It is quite another to create it about every business decision the team makes.
^ a very good point.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 8, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
PRetty disappointing
that this is now the leadoff story on LHH isntead of talking about the actual players int he actual organizaiton and what they are actually doing when they are actually here.
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This is much bigger...
…than a bunch of kids skating around pylons (that aren’t Bruno Gervais) and learning english through inflection.
Jankowski is a huge part of the organization…. especially if we believe what we read from the few sources of information left.
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The timing is curious as well. If they waited past the draft then why not wait until prospects camp is over or announce it before it starts so that on the day you promote your draft picks you’re not dumping the guy that supposedly had a hand in picking them? It’s just bad optics for an organization that takes a beating in the press as it is. Guess Snow got some good reviews and he wanted to even things out.
Could be a contract thing
His contract expired “some time after the draft,” so it might have been a case where they couldn’t postpone The Meeting any longer.
…which of course is another reason to be proactive about when the news breaks.
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What sources? Strang?
Thats the only source we’ve got. Like it or not, Botta isnt really much of a source anymore. Even he says he isnt getting any inside info anymore- and when he does break news, it isnt always deemed accurate.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 7, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
7thwoman is saying it was Mutual
7thWoman
Not official, but word is the departure of Jankowski from the #isles was a mutual agreement.
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Another thing that points to the fact that we dont know WTH happened here
…but that doesnt stop Isles fans from riding the manic depressive rollercoaster they know and love so well.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 7, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
just slip me a Xanax and tell me when its over.
There are few things in this world I enjoy more than the English getting beaten like a rented mule.
by David Hanssen on Jul 7, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously... Id tune out myself if I wasnt such a damn hockey addict.
Its times like these I wish I was more of a casual fan. They will happily wear their Tavares or DiPietro jerseys to opening night and be like, “Jankowski who? Is that a prospect?” and will not have spent any time worried about any of this.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 7, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
What the heck..
was the raider roofie guy doing on the isles anyway?
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Seriously… Id tune out myself if I wasnt such a damn hockey addict.
Jesus, I SO feel that. I knew going into Monday — an office holiday no less — that I was likely to spend the entire day checking in on a signing that I figured we had a 10% chance of pulling off. 12 hours later, there was basically no movement, yet there I was, addicted.
Now I should give a shout out to all my (non-hockey-loving, and non-blog-reading) manic friends. You know I still love you … half the time.
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and thank God the rest of you are here to feed my addiction with a few new comments.
Just say NO to long term contracts.
This is absolutely what makes it fun for me. When I jumped on here, it wasn’t out of desire for people to come read stuff I write (though that is fun, no doubt). It was out of a desire to have a site where people came to read each other and shoot the breeze, with a few regulations/tools that hopefully help discourage the whackjobs. I’d seen another SBN site work well and thought, “I want one like that for the Isles.”
Easy to say, and there will always be growing pains, but hopefully we manage it together. Please hold me and everyone else to it.
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She also said it's not you it's me...
Oh wait a minute I’m just having flashbacks too all the times I got dumped :)
LOL!
They are still going to be friends.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 7, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Reminds me of a buddy's party line:
“But enough about me. Now you talk about me.”
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MY POINT EXACTLY
No offense to the double d’s (Dee and Dom), but most Islander news is expanded quite awesomely (not sure that’s a word, but it’s fitting here) by bloggers.
Strang tweets a seed and Botta, LHH, 7th and others cultivate it… grab info from here or there… patch stats together to make our lives a little more interesting… and do whatever magic they can.
But 90% of the “news” comes from Strang…. that… in and of itself is SAD!
More to my point, it was CB who said somebody said Janks was committed to the Isles long term.
"We reached out to Ryan," said the source, "but what we heard back was that he was under contract to the Islanders and committed to stay with them for a long time."
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I remember that
If he said, theres every reason to think he meant it, too.
Hey, all Im saying is we dont know. This could have absolutely nothing to do with the way he did his job or money or any of that. For all we know, Jankowski could have been caught making photocopies of his butt in Wangs private office. This could have happened for any number of reasons.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 7, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
This is much bigger… …than a bunch of kids skating around pylons (that aren’t Bruno Gervais) and learning english through inflection.
Jankowski is a huge part of the organization…. especially if we believe what we read from the few sources of information left.
Jankowski, a guy we all THINK is probably an important part of the success or failure of this organization, is “much bigger” than all the prospects we KNOW for a fact are going to be a big part of the success or failure of this organization? I dont understand that.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 7, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe not to the same scale...
but… in 1978 Bill Torrey leaves as Steve Tambellini, Randy Johnston and Dave Lowdermilk are getting picked up at MacArthur… If we are to believe that Janks was the guy who fished out the Dibo’s, the martin’s and the Donovans… then, hell yeah, him leaving is important. Maybe they move to the less expensive video scouting, and the organization starts to look like my fig trees in february….AGAIN
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We don’t make the news, we make it better relay it. With commentary, and a place for people to discuss it. Not sure if you’re frustrated with us making it the top thread here, or just frustrated at the luck that the news broke on the first day of camp. Regardless, that gives me a chance to explain the general m.o. for this ever evolving place:
Doug posted it and still has the front-page powers accorded to an emeritus, so I won’t speak for him, but his write-up certainly plays it straight. But for me if he hadn’t, I was going to post a separate thread because it’s a topic that is guaranteed to draw a lot of discussion, and personally I prefer to have “lightning rod” topics get their own thread rather than hijack another one, such as the one about the prospects in camp.
I’m never totally satisfied with how to parcel out the daily attention here without just turning it into a straight-up message board. But my feeling: This way talk of Jankowski generally falls here, while talk of the kids skating and talking From Russia With Love goes in the other thread(s).
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I think the timing sucks balls.
And I think that our fanbase is, in large part, an hysterical group of manic depressives. But no, you or for that matter LHH in general doesnt have anything to do with either of those things.
Im bummed the guy is gone, too. I have credited him for a LOT of fine work. Is it accurate of me to have done so? I dont know- and neither does anyone else. But here comes the enraged hysteria, anyway.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 7, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Word. The manic depressives thing particularly complicates any time you try to talk about the team in an analytical way.
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Honestly Dom, LHH Is a fucking haven of reason compared to practically every other Islanders site I read or visit or post on. Really. People here are generally passionate, minus the idiocy. This is one of the only places people can discuss things without 8 people answering with hysterical threats of never buying tickets again, hateful or even racist bashing, defeatist talk of the team moving as a response to pretty much any discussion of anyhting, etc.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 7, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Here Here!
That attitude/feeling is what brought me here in the first place and the reason I came back again and again. I got sick of the b.s. at the HF boards and Islandersmania, like reading Botta but his forum is a pain to navigate and there are some wackos that comment there, ect.
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by David Hanssen on Jul 7, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
I even miss “FireGarthSnow”
This is actually the first Islanders specific forum/message board/whatever that I’ve followed since being an active member of (believe it or not) mikemustgo.com’s forum. That was over 10 years ago. Even back then (98 and 99) I couldn’t believe that people thought we were trying to destroy the Islanders by getting rid of Milbury. People thought that chanting “Mike Must Go” at games was a determent to the team.
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I admit...
Pre DiPietro… I was one of those blue and orange colored glasses guys. After THE DEAL I’d have wrapped him in duct tape and buried him in my basement if I could get close enough.
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me too
but for totally different reasons… I think!
:D
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 7, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. I’ve been to other Islanders discussion sites, blogs, etc. and Lighthouse Hockey is the place that makes the most sense for Islanders discussion. We have a group that is passionate about the teams, opinions are generally valued or at least tolerated at a civil level, and the discussion is smart (since there is more than meets the eye). Plus the SBN layout is nice. I was on the Islanders mailing list at Onelist years ago, and I enjoyed that list, but times have changed. If only the Mr. Met fan page that I manage/am the ghostwriter for, on Facebook, can be more civil. Everyone expects Mr. Met to be the star pitcher and center fielder, and they get annoyed when Mr. Met praises the Islanders or even mentions that a new arena next to CitiField is a good thing. At least we don’t expect Sparky the Dragon to fill in for DP.
you're making me cry!
There were a few folks I enjoyed reading from the days that Hahn had the Isles beat. But you are exactly right about other places. Well.. it’s more enjoyable for me, cause everybody else has to wade through my drivel to get to the good stuff.
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Jeeezzzzuuuss- And I'm not one prone to swearing
but what is going on- from the outside, it sure looked like Janks was a big part of bird dogging alot of the young talent we are all so high on- including alot of late round finds.(Where a scout really earns his money) Say it isn’t so!!!!!
Just say NO to long term contracts.
Why is it...
whenever you start feeling good about parts of this organization (coaches, players, broadcasters) they are AXED?
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It's uncanny...
…and they never seem to understand (or maybe don’t care) the reaction news like this will get.
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by Dominik on Jul 7, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We’ve got no Ilya, we’ve got no Director of Amateur Scouting… OUR PETS’ HEADS ARE FALLING OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nice! Stuff like this always goes down easier with a good Dumb & Dumber reference.
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I love that they duct tape the birds head back on and sell it to the blind kid.
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Or sell it to an angry old British man
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by David Hanssen on Jul 7, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Jankowski is pining for the fjords!
I’ll take a python reference over “Your comments are being scrutinized until the administrator closes this thread to the general public… have a nice day” anytime!
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by David Hanssen on Jul 7, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Questions we probably won't have answered
1) Technically, Snow inherited Jankowski (either when he was hired as GM, or when “The Committee” dissolved and he was given full hockey control). Does this mean he was going to learn what he could from him and then let him go?
2) The Islanders’ much-referenced, seldom acknowledged psychological testing/eval of prospects: Who created it? Whose idea was it? Who are its supporters?
3) It’s not like Jankowski is out there finding all these prospects. It’s a team effort, and the final decision comes at the top. Did Snow feel like the team of scouts were ample, so he could handle the rest?
4) Strang says Janks won’t be replaced, and Snow will take on those duties. Really? It had become that redundant? This either defies logic, or some body is going to be added *some*where, or all of their scouts just got one more pound of work on their desk.
5) Is it a money issue? Did he want a big raise on his next contract and Wang or Snow said no?
Snow is a “keep it in the house” guy, so I’m not expecting a full sitdown to explain how the process works. But this is why smart, forthcoming PR is imperative: If you let the message have legs that Jankowski is a major part of the operation, then the day you decide to let him go people are going to be upset. When there are no official answers, people are all too willing to fill the void for you.
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by Dominik on Jul 7, 2010 5:43 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I get the feeling it was another level of Snow taking off the training wheels. Like removing the comittee, Wang saying Snow has an open wallet to improve the team (instead of Wang having to approve contracts) I just think Snow learned everything he could, and (if it’s mutual) maybe Janowski got an offer to take over as GM of a team.
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I think 5 might have had a bit to do with it. The first thing I thought of when I heard this news was Botta’s piece on Rob Cowie taking a position with the Maple Leafs last summer. It might be just a simple cost cutting measure.
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by David Hanssen on Jul 7, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Tough to buy the cost cutting thing...
How much do you think he even makes- 100K? Wild guess but Im positive its ballpark.
Administrative and scouting posiitons dont make much at all compared to players. If the Islanders are RW&A to let guys like Witt and Sim sit in Bpt and Yash sit in Russia while paying them all, are we really supposed to believe that the 100K was such a huge deal???
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 7, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Ih house?
Not sure if that’s the right term. Seems more like I’ll tell you what I want when I want and don’t you dare judge me or I won’t let you in my sandbox anymore (see Botta). I’m happy with the general direction the team is headed but definately not crazy aobut the apparent response to critical thinking or feedback that’s anything but glowing. As a fan it’s also pretty frustrating to be treated like a mushroom (keep them in the dark and fertalize them).
I also appreciate the dialogue here alot thought I wonder if I’m part of the “idiotic comments” reference from earlier :)
Haha
True, “in-house” just makes easy short-hand.
I don’t know if it’s rooted in an inherent distrust for most media (which, admittedly, who can blame him?), a sensitivity b/c the Isles always get a bad rap, a sensitivity to criticism/disloyalty, or simply thinking he has more important things on his plate than explaining uncomfortable or private (in his view) decisions. I do think he generally “gets it” even with PR but I question how it’s played out sometimes. They get away with more tight-lippedness because there is zero media competition covering the team, then seem to get blindsided when people are panicking.
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Botta-Garth
Yah, the whole thing with Garth cutting Botta out baffles me. Clearly Snow doesn’t realize how much the fan base valued Botta’s informed opinions. Now the only valuable info we get has no opinion(Katie).
Just say NO to long term contracts.
There is more to that story too
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 7, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Katie Strang probably has to walk the company line to an extent, with Newsday being owned by Cablevision. As Chris Botta goes, his history with the Islanders does give him insight into the personalities that are involved within the Isles organization.
I do believe there is a heavy Cablevision/conglomerate element to the tone, timing and extent of their coverage.
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Absolutely
And in respect to the fact that they are her bosses, I dont blame her for that.
What I blame her for is things like making Matt Moulsons arbitration a one-line afterthought in an article that was nothing but her “it is believed” opinion regarding Kovalchuk.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 8, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm particularly guilty there
I didn’t read the Kovy one thoroughly and thought she’d gotten a direct quote saying the Isles were out.
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BTW- Nice sig line! :D
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 8, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for providing!
It made me laugh (and smile), I had to make it last a while.
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my guess...
Janks has had a few offers, is looking for a moderate raise and Wang has a salary freeze on until the LH project (or something) improves his financial outlook.
There are other organizations that are moving towards the technological advancements… I bet they actually come up with something before the beginning of next season that looks and feels like an innovation… and we’ll see how it does 7-8 years from now… when none of us remember this day.
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replied about the cost cutting thing a few spots above.
His pay and whatever his pay increase would be is such a drop in the bucket compared to even the league minimum players salary that I just cant see that being the reason.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 7, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think it was a cheap thing...
just a statement… like the original Bergy thing that had him playing in Europe instead of here in 2006. Or maybe he has a nephew who feels he’s ready to step out of the laundromat computer business and become a director of amateur scouting.
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Its events like this that makes the Isles look like a Mickey Mouse Org.
Just when we get a some good news
1. Great article on Puck Daddy
2. The Russians arrive and are saying the right things
3. We didn’t spend $100 million on Kovalchuk (yes I know some thought this was a good thing)
4. We got great grades on the draft
We get this.
Whether it was truth or not we have all been guilty of giving Janks a lot of credit for the rebuild (at least the draft part of it) and now this seems petty and cheap on first notice.
Its like the Isles are one of my ex bipolar girl friends who cant take too many good things going right before they self sabotage. It becomes harder to defend the way we do things every time we do this stupid things. Snow at least lie to us and tell us you’ll replace him and then never do. Its like they are always doing things different because they think they are smarter than everybody.
Its events like this that makes the Isles look like a Mickey Mouse Org.
This phrase annoys the shit out of me. I mean, is this really what you think? Or is it something youve read over and over and over and over?
Disney is one of the most successful corporations on this planet. They make countless bullions and there are probably few people on earth who are not familiar with something disney. You dont even have to see his face, just the sllhouette of Mickey Mouse is recognized by billions of people.
Thats what you think the Islanders are?
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oops, forgot to reply put it in as a new post
Its an often used word to describe something which is not real or fake (a cartoon) or at least that’s my understanding of its use. And yes I am a stealer of lines from Gretzky. Yes, I am a self made Isles apologist and yes I pretty much think most hockey fans have us pegged (sometimes uninformed but not always) as a cartoon or a joke of a team and when they pull things like this off they earn it
Its OK- we all do that
No need to post it again, I already answered you the 1st time lol
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 7, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Well it's just that...
Your not sure who’s running the ship, is it Mickey or did Goofy get the keys somehow?
Its an often used word to describe something which is not real or fake (a cartoon) or at least that’s my understanding of its use. And yes I am a stealer of lines from Gretzky. Yes, I am a self made Isles apologist and yes I pretty much think most hockey fans have us pegged (sometimes uninformed but not always) as a cartoon or a joke of a team and when they pull things like this off they earn it
when they pull things like this off they earn it
When they pull of things like WHAT?
What happened? If you know, please tell us all- because the rest of us do not know what caused this or whay it happened.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 7, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus aren’t the Panthers or the Lightning considered the joke teams in the league? I mean the Panthers haven’t been to the playoffs in forever, and the Lightning signed one of the most ridiculous contracts and then eternally tried to trade him.
It’s real easy to make fun of the Islanders if your not going to be creative and throw another DiPietro joke out there (haha, I haven’t heard that one a million times already) But at the very least you haven’t heard of Wang having any financial problems and he seems more then willing to take a step back and let Snow run things.
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Di Pietro, Yashin, Snow the goalie gets hired as GM, Millbury era, Our owner who went to jail for having no$ Our Arena storyline, Wang’s Computer Associates history (If you get a chance Google and read some of that its pretty shady and convenient that he got out when he did) Normally I don’t like to dwell on that because normally that crap does not affect the on ice product. My biggest gripe with this is that not only are we doing something other teams don’t (not have either an assistant GM or head of scouting) and in my opinion it could hurt our on ice product (in later seasons) and all we get is Snow will take care of it.
Sigh.
Looks like I spoke too soon.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 7, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
My point is that it becomes harder and harder to defend yourself as an Isles fan in hockey discussions when all we are know for is F ups. I can Hamonic them till the cows come home and then they turn around and do something stupid. Ive already heard it from hockey friends. “Hey I heard you are firing the Zamboni driver next, Snow is doing it, because he can do it better than everybody and Wang doesn’t want to pay the guy”
Your talking about 90% ancient history.
The Islanders aren’t the only team with Arena Issues that might move, the Bluejackets and the Coyotes off the top of my head have the same issues.
Snow’s proven to be very competent, even his worst trade (Ryan Smyth) the prospects he sent to the Oilers ended up being mostly busts.
This is day 1 of him not being here. Plus from what we’ve heard it was mutual, so maybe Janks had a job offer elsewhere. We won’t know how this shakes out for at least a few days or even a month.
I started out skeptical of Snow, but now days given his smart moves (Streit, Moulson, Schremp, Roloson, among others) I’m willing to give Snow the benefit of the doubt that he knows what he’s doing.
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I love the moves he has made so far but in the end we haven’t made the playoffs since the Smyth signing and he is on his second coach (I know he inherited the first)
We also were the worst team in the league one of those years. What I would like is for them to have another of those open houses like they did a couple of years ago were they outlined their plans and answered fans questions.
What I can say is regardless of his good moves can we agree that going against all NHL team procedure (having your GM be have no assistant GM and no head scout) is a move that we can at least find somewhat questionable?
Yes, he’s had 2 coaches, but Gordon (as long as he makes it to the first game this season which he should) is going to be the longest termed Islanders coach since Al Arbour.
The Islanders team that finished last was bad, but how much different might it have been if DiPietro wasn’t out for the season? Danis and McDonald were both AHL level goalies at best. The Oilers were in the same boat this year, Khabi got hurt and their two backups were useless.
Under Snow the Islanders have thought outside the box, and its worked. If it works again good, if Snow struggles I just hope that he brings someone in to help him. We still have a Chief European scout, so its just the North American leagues.
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I hope that it works, Id like to in 4 years to be discussing with you what moves must we make in order to repeat as champs but to think that for a team that cannot spend to the cap and must build through the draft (unless of course its a splashy move like Kovalchuk) that we got rid of our head scout and made our GM handle all duties its questionable. Regardless of everything that’s happened here, if we win it will cure all ills and no one will question them or their moves. If this was Detroit I could give the benefit of the doubt.
I’m willing to give Snow the benefit of the doubt as well, but he did go into the Dani/Mac season with no alternative to DP so that really is a mistake on his part, unless he was hoping to get into a better draft position and then it was just Machiavellian.
Then again, we are comparing the 2010 Islanders and Oliers not the 1984 teams so to that extent you have to be concerned. Whether thinking out of the box has worked is still debateable. They were dead last and fifth from the bottom the past two seasons. We believe and hope that all of these draft picks turn out great and I can’t fault the personnel moves he’s made, but there is no proof yet. The signs are positive, but some decisions are questionable and there’s no reason to think that just becasue Snow may be right more often than not he’s not wrong in making this decision.
Let me guess
Jankowski was working out to well so they had to fuck it up.
After the last draft in the back of my mind I was wondering when Jankowski’s contract was up. They had to make an extension to him a priority. Fucking typical bullshit with this organization. They need create their own hurdles, trip over them, just to make the simple things difficult.
by Chickendirt on Jul 7, 2010 7:54 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Since we don’t know either side of the story maybe we should wait before saying anything.
Who's the master?
Last summer Wang did away with a whole host of scouts
Jankowski was our cheif scout.
You can not do an effective job of building through the draft if you are going to skimp on scouts. It’s even worse when you let a bunch of em go and then allow your cheif scout, who’s amazing at what does, walk away.
Yet the early opinion of our draft this season was that only the Panthers had a better draft.
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I agree
Mainly cause Jankowski is exceptionally good at what he does.
You think it boades well for this team to be without a Chief Scout?
We have gone from one pole (The committee) where there were too many people making decisions to another where it is just one. This going to come back and burn at the next draft.
We worked through a lot of hoops to make the right choice in the 08’ draft. Getting Bailey while dropping back, passing on higher rated players, was a coup. They made up for passing on Schenn with a player in Hamonic who looks like he can do what Schenn does and more.
This last draft looks pretty much the same with Nino. Jankowski has done an excellent job in selecting character and skill. That’s something most teams in this league would kill for.
Okay, but once again, we are talking about Day 1 of him not coming back, along with the news that it was Mutual.
http://islanders.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=43475
That’s the Islanders Staff page, I’m not 100% sure how old it is, but you don’t have Snow doing 9 positions on the staff.
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Snow is doing the job of chief scout now along with his GM duties
The fact that it was mutual doesn’t surprise me. Jankowski ran his ass off this season running from rink to rink just to scout players. You do away with a bunch of scouts that leaves a shit load more work for everyone else to do.
Jankowski more than likely is burned the fuck out. I have no doubts that he won’t have trouble getting a job somewhere else.
Now that Snow has double duties I wouldn’t be shocked if he eventually “mutually walks” himself. He’s building quite the resume as it is. It won’t be long before he decides he’s had enough of this shit as well.
Understand, this is the typical capitalist mentality. When things are running well it’s really the money that matters and the job is secondary. If you can get one to do the job of two or three, you save money. This is what happens in the corporate world.
Wang is a capitalist and has a reputation of running this franchise with an iron fist.
Okay, so the Islanders got rid of him in order to save 100K? That’s just silly. Not only are there about a hundred possible moves that would have saved them money next year, but penny pinching in the NHL on the 100K level is just silly.
Just give it time. Even if Janks was the one drafting every player for the last few years, His loss still wouldn’t be noticeable till a few years down the line at the very least.
Plus the Isles still have a chief of European scouting. Maybe they just hire someone else to oversee the American scouts (or promote one of them) with a different title and it’s done.
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Going by Forbes.com valuation of the Islanders the Islanders haven’t made a profit since 01. Since 06 they’ve been in the negative by 9 million, 12 M, 9 M and 6 M. At the same time the Islanders revenue has always been 15-20 million more then the Payroll.
So as much as the Islanders have lost money since Wang bought them to the total of 54 Million (Although according to Wang it’s somewhere in the 200 million range) to believe they are going to fire someone over what is at worst 100-200K is crazy.
On top of it all, you have Wang possibly in the Kovy race and being willing to spend anywhere from 7 to 11 million on him. That doesn’t sound like a club that in a few days is going to let someone go to save a few pennies.
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It's not crazy
They did the same with the radio team and is why you get the TV broadcast on the radio.
Also, given that it’s common for folks like Wang to keep two sets of books I’d be skeptical of any earnings reports. It’s the same reason why Kumar was left holding the bucket for Wang at CA and went to jail for it.
The Islanders are not “losing money”. If that were the case Wang would have cut them loose a long time ago. Wang uses his “We are losing money” excuse to get what he wants (The Lighthouse project) from the town of Hempstead. Wang as owner of the Islanders is not an act of philanthropy.
It’s business.
They did the same with the radio team and is why you get the TV broadcast on the radio.
not the same thing. Its like comparing buying a car with buying a hamburger
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 7, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
just curious...
is jankowski the car, or the hamburger?
A look into our future… Garth can’t buy hamburgers anymore, so he’s gonna try stealing them…Umbrella? It must be raining french fries…. and… If you look closely, that’s the Lighthouse Project being built.
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So what you’re saying is basically
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There are few things in this world I enjoy more than the English getting beaten like a rented mule.
by David Hanssen on Jul 7, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't you see the resemblance?
Have you ever seen them in the same room together?
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I’d trust Forbes, who I got the original figure (of around 54 Million in losses) as compared to Wang’s claim that he’s lost more money with the team then they are worth.
I think Wang sees owning the Islanders as more of a prestige thing for someone that has that much money.
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And when the wearing multiple hats thing gets to be too much for Garth, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Isles bring in some temps from a staffing agency. I’m a big fan and I generally support the track the Isles are on, but I wouldn’t put that past them.
I would, however, volunteer my winter weekends to scouting Union and RPI hockey for the Islanders in the name of future prospects.
All you need is free tickets and a beer budget, right?
You’re hired! But there’s a two-beer maximum. These scouting reports need to be coherent, you know.
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This is one of those ways that the secretive business doesn't work so well for the Isles
I am on BR debating with NYI Fan Central who seems to know what everybody’s job is, Greg’s, Garth’s, Katie’s, etc. He seems to think Katie’s job is to be Garth’s stenographer and I found out about this by him ripping Botta for not being on top of the story.
It’s like the LH business. If the organization wasn’t so secretive about its future, maybe fewer fans would be worried about moving to KC or Quebec. Maybe this story would not look so bad if Garth and Co would be more open and transparent about what happened and why.
“Maybe this story would not look so bad if Garth and Co would be more open and transparent about what happened and why.”
Nicely said. Like Dom stated earlier, they don’t seem to care that they have a very passionate fan-base that’s been badly beaten up and really has to try hard to give them the benefit of the doubt. Just come out and say that both sides have agreed to part and that the Isles will do whatever it takes to make sure that Janks role gets done in the outstanding way he did it moving forward. That’s way better than in the middle of the prospect camp, he isn’t being renewed and we are going to go against NHL logic and do things different (or cheaper) by having Garth do it all
the actual truth may not be that bad
and whatever it is, it has to be better than what a lot of people are speculating about. They do not seem to know about getting out in front of a story and so everything winds up looking worse than it really is.
the actual truth may not be that bad
That’s where I tend to lean until I see a smoking gun. Snow’s made enough smart long-view hockey decisions so far that I can’t imagine he’d let himself get hamstrung. And I’m not a big believer in the single-scout “guru” motif because there are simply to many thousands of pubescent teens playing too many thousands of games to have one guy get all the credit. That said, if Jankowski was in charge of all of them (the scouts), he appeared to do a good job managing it.
But there too I could be missing key inside information. We just don’t know in these cases. People still mourn/worship Gord Clark, depending on the person, and he’s both credited and blamed for the Rangers’ picks lately.
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the actual truth may not be that bad
and whatever it is, it has to be better than what a lot of people are speculating about. They do not seem to know about getting out in front of a story and so everything winds up looking worse than it really is.
Absolutely agreed.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 8, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
They never were really out of it, they just refused to keep offering Kovy deals if he wasn’t going to sign any of them
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Elliott, my Moulson friend, says they are reengaged
Kovy is making a counter offer…and now, wait for it, SKA St Petersburg is making overtures.
Brilliant maneuver by Lombardi
Pulling out, leaving Kovy with no one but NJ, the fabled KHL and a short-term (or even if it was long-term, it was out of reach) possibilities from the NYI.
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but their offer was a joke, 63 over 12? 85 over 14? come on
Scaramouch, Scaramouch, will you do the Fandango ?
-sorry, that pic just screams Boh/Rhap to me
I’m a fan of Lombardi not going over what he thinks will cripple his team, as well as calling Kovy’s bluff when he has only one other legit long-term NHL suitor.
When Kovy turned down $100+M from ATL, I thought, “Okay, he’s serious about getting out and joining a better team, ’cause no other team is going to match that, certainly not one that hopes to win.” So it’s pretty fun to see this game of hardball going on. To a much lesser degree, he’s learning Nabokov’s lesson: You may be all that and a bag of chips, but smart teams recognize they need room for many more bags of chips than just yours.
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My bottom line...
Is expanding at an exponential rate, whoops too much information I’m sure. At the end of the day I agree with many who’ve said hey we don’t know the whole story here. But (and it’s a big butt) winning organizations seem to devote alot of resources to scouting and development. Any time we see the organization spending less in these areas, I feel it’s a cause for concern. I have come to accept that we aren’t going to be spending near the cap ceiling any time soon, heck I’ve even come to accept that we will barely make the cap floor when we include contracts we are paying for guys that don’t play. If you are going to be that type of organization in proffessional sports though you have to draft and develop as well or better than anyone else. Not saying Janks was the be all and end all since I don’t really know. Just saying that we should be devoting more resources to these types of positions not less.
by Styxcanada on Jul 7, 2010 8:58 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Since it is already Islanders fans favorite game:
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 7, 2010 11:55 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Instant classic. I think I’ve felt at least one of these at some point in the last week.
There are few things in this world I enjoy more than the English getting beaten like a rented mule.
by David Hanssen on Jul 7, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Ive hit a few of em myself
Its all part of being an Isles fan.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 8, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Fanshot it, it’s a classic.
What really needs to be next to each other on the board is “Too Cheap” and “Overpaying FAs”
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Ha, alright :)
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 8, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Young Players Will Leave:
I had to take a look since I was curious, Bergie is the first 1st rounder to not be traded away from the team since 94’s Brett Lindros or 98’s Rupp.
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There are Leafs fans who pencil Tavares in to their lineups once his entry contract us up.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 8, 2010 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
what organization IS transparent?
Lets put it this way- if Jankowski f’ed up in some way- even if he was doing great at his job- the most respectful thing the Isles could do is NOT being it up. I dont know what happened, but I do know that the alleged financial thing really makes no sense when you look at how little he makes. If Jankowski punched an intern in the nose or cursed out Wangs wife, would you want them to blab about something that stupid and screw up the guys career?
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 8, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
an organization that requires public trust to succeed needs to be transparent
if there had been anything so aggregious, he would have been fired, they would not simply have allowed his contract to expire. And now the blogosphere explodes “There go those crazy Islanders again.” And those of us who would defend the organization cannot do so because we haven’t been told ANYTHING about the decision making process.
Take a look at where our attendance was last year. Look at where it has been for the last few years. How many people considering buying ticket packages will be turned off by this kind of thing? By the time this team gets to be successful, how many fans will really care?
Put it as a less dedicated fan would see it. The team is last in the NHL last year. Then they have a good draft, pick up a nice player in FA (Moulson), and then have a disappointing season, followed by a great draft, followed by a couple of second rate defensemen, followed by the Kovi confusion followed by this. And all the while Garth tells us nothing. Hard not to get discouraged when you are faced with that.
Exactly why you need smart PR
…as well as management that believes in the judgment of your PR staff, and allows the PR staff an advanced ear. I don’t know how it works for them internally, but as a former PR flak (thus: biased toward its benefits) that’s what strikes me right off the bat. Contrast it with how forthcoming and talkative Lombardi is in LA about their decisions (for better or worse, strategically speaking, but I guarantee it builds fan trust/buy-in).
I actually think the Isles have gotten better in this area over the last three years, but that’s coming from a dark place with still a long way to go.
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Is this what Dale Bozzio meant by......
…..“mental hopscotch”?
Seriously – and BC seems to be the one here most alluding to my gravest concern, even though some Islanders fans off-blog would possibly struggle to articulate it – is THIS: for an organization that incessantly prattles on about ‘character’ and ‘commitment’ (no reflection upon the genuine value of either) cultivates an UNMISTAKABLE association between Ryan Jankowski, the New York Islanders and those 2 words, then dumps him so as to appear petulant because they flat-out don’t have the INTEGRITY to be honest with the public, this still very tenuous fanbase with decade-long questions about its continued existence on LI or at all, about why they might’ve thrown him over despite praising this guy to the heavens – HOW are we supposed to trust ANYTHING they ever say again? It’s counterintuitive behavior, if not sheer stupidity, in the EXTREME. One thing’s for sure: doing so is getting far more difficult, and that WILL, sooner or later, lead to a massive loss of faith as it has in the past and they don’t recognize or feel the need to effectively communicate their motivations, especially if the team falters on-ice again as well…..
What I find very interesting, and nobody in this thread has yet pointed out, is that this stunt is RIGHT in keeping with the way both Neil Smith and Pat Lafontaine were treated…..we’ve all speculated about how this team is perceived by players and fans elsewhere – WHAT can they be thinking when they see such baffling displays of seeming bottom-line mentality NOT related to winning? And I’d bet all that bullion of which TMC spoke that Jankowski in particular was vehemently opposed to bringing in Kovalchuk precisely BECAUSE it would jeopardize the aforementioned commitment to building a hockey team with, and trumpeted for its, character, in which case I’m beginning to wonder if Garth and/or Wang are every bit as vain as was Milbury…..NOT good!
AWESOME
Where do I get one? You must have the abridged version because there’s no mention of “ex-GM (Milbury) decision haunting us still” or “Owner Under Indictment” on it.
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There were a lot more box ideas than I could fit… ticket sales, ex-GM voodoo, you name it lol
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 8, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
This could replace...
nekked baby oil twister on slow winter thursday nights!
But I’d need a 12×12 grid so the neighbors could play along
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Jankowski 'blind-sided' by decision
According to Ms. Strang, Jankowski was ‘blind-sided’ by not having his contract renewed. Again, not to fan any flames(this isn’t the Hindenberg), but that doesn’t look good. Honestly, from an outsiders point of view (which is what we are, but it is also what free agents are) this looks like a bad way to part company with a member of an organization. Transparency would be important on this issue ASAP, but I wouldn’t hold my breath for it, either.
Link to Strang article:
http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/islanders/isles-drop-assistant-gm-jankowski-1.2087219
It should be noted that Strang sites “unnamed sources” and I don’t think any of her unnamed sources in the past have ever been positive about the organization.
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I dont trust her
This is the woman who called Moulson and Tavares “Cinderella and Prince Charming” MORE THAN ONCE, and wrote articles about how Trevor Gillies is related to OUR Gillies. As far as Im concerned she doesnt know WTF she is talking about and I only trust her when she is quoting someone I know has a clue.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 8, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
well if Garth hadn't shut Botta out, he wouldn't have made that mistake
She is the only one that is given any access and it probably suits Garth fine that her incompetence makes her less credible.
No doubt CB will get to the heart of it...
I think Chris can “out rolodex” most hockey writers, and 1975 Miss-Strang is no exception.
When you’re not selling enough Pintos, call it a Mustang!
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Wow.
We had the 74 “Mustang II,” which was the same color yet slightly uglier. $400 from the cross-the-street neighbors. Horrible in every way except it run.
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LOL. True. I probably talked that way when we had it, too.
Lighthouse Hockey: "A f#$%ing haven of reason compared to practically every other Islanders site." --TMC
I've owned 3...
the closest to that was a 1978 Mustang II… I think I paid $500 for it because it didn’t run. It had a 302 in it, and was sneaky fast for a shitty year mustang… but you never needed a key to start it… which is great for a 20 year old who hates things in his pockets.
Mine was brown, and never won any awards. The ’66 and ’70 fastback were much better… but this one had its moments…
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Ours was shit, in every way
(except it ran). Not fast, no pick-up, bad breaks, exhaust into the cabin, one seating position (that of “Wooh! I’m RACING!” permanent recline), and you couldn’t roll up or down the windows without hitting your hand against the internal door handle. The glove box had a door the size of a road atlas but an opening the size of a pack of cigarettes.
Best story about it: My brother takes an a.m. flight after a long night of drinking and tells us where he parked the Mustang before his DD picked him up. We go to that lot, no Mustang. Someone stole the Mustang! Reaction from us, and every friend we told: “Someone stole the MUSTANG?!?!” We file a police report, the whole nine yards (“leads? Oh yeah, we got lots of leads. The boss has us working in shifts.”)
My brother gets back in town two days later, we’re already scoping out new used cars, and then it hits him: “Oh, you know what? I actually parked it at a different bar.” We go to that bar: There’s the Mustang, untouched. We were still stuck with it after all.
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You guys have a lot of faith in Botta still, huh? I personally think he has been informative and valuable some of the time- and the rest of the time he is senesationalistic and underinformed. I wish it wasnt true, but it is.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 8, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions
i hope my cynicism hasn’t been rubbing off on you TMC, you used to be a believer =)
Scaramouch, Scaramouch, will you do the Fandango ?
-sorry, that pic just screams Boh/Rhap to me
Gotta call it like I see it
Otherwise my opinion wouldnt be my opinion anymore, it would be blind advocation… and what good is that?
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 8, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Botta Bing
Chris has fallen into the inevitable abyss of Blogger/Journalist(or vice-versa). I expect his fanhouse stuff to follow journalistic guidelines and the NYIPB stuff can be more of a free for all of opinion and speculation… I think he manages it pretty well… but WE forget that there is a line there.
For instance, IMO, his lighthouse stuff on NYIPB is pure BS. Either he still holds some ties with Wang or genuinely feels what he writes… but all the lead the fans to political forums armed with… well… their Pat LaFontaine jerseys, and faux tin foil stanley cups was INSANE… PROFESSIONALS needed to go to those meetings with ideas to make the coliseum/LH a viable option 15 years from now… and those DO NOT EXIST. Then he made a big deal of Kate Murray rolling her eyes and being bored to death. Jeez.. wouldn’t you… it’s like walking through supermarket with your kids… you’re trying to feed the family for a week and your kids just want to make sure you get Cap’n Crunch, and ho-ho’s…
I’m not one to defend a [most likely] corrupt politician [just because they all are]… but she’s trying to manage the future of thousands of acres of the most prime real estate in her town, and we’re sobbing because Charles Wang wants to keep the Islanders on LI.. boo hoo. She gets to deal with the real Wang(hmmm… I’m sure that’s the first time that’s been typed in a hockey blog)… the one that wants to use county land for his little city… while… his beloved Isles get short-changed with a “renovated” coliseum.
THAT… is my number one argument against Chris… he’s way too invested in the emperor’s new clothes… just because he was his tailor for so long.
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I am a professional
So are my friends, we showed up in the same clothing I would wear to work.
We werent the only ones. I went to a lot of these meetings- it wasnt all people injerseys and the like.
But, I think that both being there is quite valid… it shows how wide of a demographic of people support the LH.
the one that wants to use county land for his little city… while… his beloved Isles get short-changed with a "renovated" coliseum.
JP, I completely disagree with you on this one line. There are so many reasons why… it would take too much time to write an esasy here explaining why. I guess the most effective way I can refute this line is to ask you to read the Let There Be Lighthouse blog. I know Nick well and his thoughts regarding this aspect of theings completely reflect mine.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 8, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you're arguing the wrong point...
I have read Nick’s blog since the beginning…. and early on had many discussions with him. The passion to get the LH done is warranted, no doubt. …especially from union leaders, and others that want that land developed…
But in all honesty, when it came to the tough questions, they don’t come up with answers.
Think about what that arena will be like in 2030… still no mass transit… still the same structure it was in 1972… but now it has a 2000 space parking lot/perfect place for explosives UNDERNEATH the whole property…
You have two hi-rise condos within 400 yards… surrounded by commercial and other properties… and the only access to this little city… in 2030… is by car.
There are other concerns as well… LIKE MONEY. What happens when 5 years in they lose their financing… what is their plan B. that becomes a huge pile of shit. YES, they are risking their own money… but I would want my political leaders who manage MY interests to make the best deal possible for that land… and make sure that ALL RISKS are minimal. Does Nassau really need a minor league baseball park… 3 skating rinks… more rooms at the Marriot… is that the best they can do?
I’d really even venture to say that the property would be better off WITHOUT the coliseum, depending on how they use it. Something like that would be better in a place where mass transit access already exists… and someplace that can sell it out 300 days a year…
Now… the town has to supply police, schools, water, sewage… and traffic management… and a whole shitload more that I can’t think of because I don’t have a clue.
When I said “professionals” I meant people who could argue in favor of the lighthouse project as a PUD… I wasn’t saying that there weren’t “professionals there”… and having rallies probably wasn’t a bad idea…. but when you then slam the town supervisor for being uninterested in your, “Charles Wang is a good guy” speach… WHO CARES… go make that speach to the guys who were put under the gun to sign non-competes in his office… IN AN HOUR… or lose their jobs… no lawyers, nobody else could look them over… sign, or pack your shit…. Just because you bought the company that you worked for. Make the “good guy” speach to them.
We see that side of Chuck over and over… (Neil Smith, Ted Nolan and now possibly Jankowski). How’d you like to be the guy who comes to work one day to find that Chuck has replaced you with his son-in-law. Oh… you’d be talking to yourself… at least you got this nice blog which launched your journalist career.
Send me your essay… I’d love to read it.
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and the only access to this little city… in 2030… is by car.
sooo not true, did you see these things yet…only $198k (more with parachute)
Scaramouch, Scaramouch, will you do the Fandango ?
-sorry, that pic just screams Boh/Rhap to me
Flying cars...
are still cars… or I’d have to list helicopters too… and I don’t think you could get that thing through the access points to the UNDERGROUND parking deck… they’d have to build a little landing strip for it.
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haha, no way, with these, when you see traffic stopped up a mile down the highway, you hit a button to unfold the wings, floor it, and fly right over it, lol… how much red tape will this need to fight off before the government allows them to be sold?
Scaramouch, Scaramouch, will you do the Fandango ?
-sorry, that pic just screams Boh/Rhap to me
I'm going to apologize in advance for this...
If it was up to the government they’d only allow them to be advertised at AA meetings in minority neighborhoods.
…but I just had to say it.
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At the rate of ticket increases...
…the only ones who will AFFORD tickets in 2030 are those with helicopters.
/shouts at cloud
//shakes fist, yells at kids to get off lawn
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BTW
I think the work that Nick has taken upon himself is quite valient… but is this the information fountain that you are telling me I should drink from…(I guess Al had the picture removed)
I remembered reading some kind of a political puff piece that spoke about how the will was there to get the Islanders a new building, and that it would happen in short order. I don’t remember who said it – could have been former owner John O. Pickett, could’ve been a commentator, could’ve been former County Executive Tom Gulotta – but there is one sentence I remember loud and clear, that summed up the Islanders’ favorable position: “It all starts with Al D’Amato in the Senate.”
My information is from a source i don’t remember… about a subject we have all speculated on. But is meaningless in a courtroom…
It’s funny that Peter King (and I’ll keep my opinions of him to myself)… was the only guy not in favor of the LHP.
I’ve probably wasted more time with my LHP opinions than anybody cares to read, but my original point was that CB led his base to the troth… and has tried to play both sides against the middle (TOH)… Queens is in play (when wang wants to threaten moving the team)… Queens is a far fetched pipe-dream (when the fan base starts to realize that this is THE BEST option FOR THE TEAM (as a stand alone entity).
As a team owner we could have done far worse than Charles Wang… but I don’t think that should be used as leverage when making decisions on billions of dollars worth of real estate…
Does anybody have access to the OTHER plans that were proposed? Were there any? Was this just a pass/fail thing?
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A question
If her article agreed with your point would she be trustworthy?
Ill give you guys that the Why’s of the issue are unknown and probably will never be know.
My point is that it is not important that he was let go or why he was let go, my point is that Him not being replaced and Snow doing it all is a bad thing for the Org long term. For a team building through the draft having less people working on it is a bad thing regardless of the reasons.
You are completely missing the point
This is not about this particular issue, it is about how she handles ALL isuues.
It is believed that ___________. Believed by WHO? Dont tell me what “IS BELIEVED”- that isnt objective journalism. Tell me what you believe, what person x believes, fine… she isnt approaching this like a beat. If you think she is, then you need to look at other beatwriters. Be objective. Make a chart or something- look at how often any other beat writer in any other sport relies solely on reiterating boxscores and spitting out garbage like this.
Another one- Sources agree that (whatever.) What sources? Are they knowledgable people? Why arent you quoting them directly since youre not even telling us if they are human? Is your source Ms Cleo? Are they in the witness relocation program? You cant tell us an unnamed source at the (whatever) says, “quote”? Is that so frickin tough?
Almost nothing from the Islanders organization other than their own released stuff or quotes given to others. Now if that is a question of her asking good questions and not getting answers, TELL US THAT. TELL US WHAT YOURE ASKING AND WRITE THAT YOU GOT A “NO COMMENT” or whatever. The way she is doing things now, she is making herself look like a ditz who doesnt even think to ask.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 8, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not going to question her work. To be honest I don’t buy the paper. The isles have basically made it that Newsday is the only source of info and therefore I’m going to take it at face value that on this issue they are either OK with what she wrote or do not care. So my original point of janks let go snow doing more = bad for org, (in my opinion ) and that does not make me a neurotic sky is falling isle fan. Just one who does not drink the look aid
by lostsin44 on Jul 8, 2010 10:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Cure the Kool Aid
Would any discussion of anything Islanders related be complete without someone dragging out this played out line yet again?
This is not about “kool aid,” of all ridiculous things.
And if you dont read the paper, I dont blame you for not questioning her work. I do, so I will. Why our being critical of the crappy works she does is interpreted in your mind as a powdered drink I have no friggin idea.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 8, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
....why does everyone hate on.....
…..the big happy pitcher full of vaguely sweet-tasting water? We were easier to please back then, I guess….
Because it was implied in previous comments that I should wait for information before having an opinion on the matter in other wait and give the benefit of the doubt before killing them. Well information has come out via legitimate newspaper (whether I read it or not) does not paint the situation in a good light and yet now we question the source, which by the way is the only one we will get on the subject
by lostsin44 on Jul 8, 2010 11:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
YOU can have any opinion you want. It is MY opinion that playing the Jump to Conclusions game is a waste of time. If you can have an opinion, so can I. My issue is mainly with the pathetic way things like this are being handled by the MSM and the complete lack of PR awareness on behalf of the Islanders organization.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 8, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
we end in agreement
You are absolutely right. There is a complete lack of PR on the isles part. If they had gotten ahead of the story, we might be discussing next year at this time janks picks vs new regime picks
by lostsin44 on Jul 8, 2010 11:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
we end in agreement
which is certainly not necessary, but is definitely nice.
I dont think the Isles have ANYONE doing PR for them anymore. Its a shame… because they really, really need it.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 8, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
....and BTW,
…..don’t think Kool-Aid would ferment very well without the aid of a catalyzing agent:)
part of the problem may be her ineptitude
but part is also that the organization will not give her anything of value on the record.
She could make a story out of that
at least let people know what she is asking, even if there is no comment from the Isles. At least let us know that youre trying, that youre competent, that you understand wth we would expect from a beat writer. Anything!
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 8, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
True. Yet I can’t help thinking how the last guy to make a story out of that was a veteran reporter who liked the beat, did it quite well and yet … was removed from it and escorted to an undisclosed occupation.
Just wondering, esp. since she presumably learned the ropes with Logan, if there is a very real professional worry about rocking the boat. It is a terribly difficult and uncompensating industry to be in right now.
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If she writes that story, then it probably doesn't matter what qeustions she asks...
Listen, she’s new, she’s learning. I for one do not think that she has an easy job. She’s probably not getting any love from Newsday, because they barely give any space to the Isles as it is. How is she supposed to learn? Ask the team how they do it? Ask CB, former PR man? She’s on an island(no pun intended) and she has no recourse. She’s stuck with the shittiest job in the sports department, working with an organization that wouldn’t tell you what they were ordering on line at McDonald’s, and then trying to hide it once they actually did order.
Not to mention, if she ruffles any feathers, they’re not going to bother answering her questions anymore. Not to mention, what does it benefit her to say, I asked these questions and they never answered? THAT’s professional? It’s not my fault, it’s theirs…wah wah wah. I love how we can’t speculate on what happens at Isles central, but we have no problem speculating what questions Strang asked. Contradiction, much?
She’s new, give it some time. Take a deep breath……Ah, how did that feel?
She has been at this job for a year, that is not "new"
If you are instead making the point that she was painfully inexperienced when given this job, that is a valid point.
As far as the idea of being lucky to have a job, definitely- but if she is this bad at it, then someone else more cometent should have the job.
And rest assured- my opinion has nothing to do with my needing to take a breath. I just do not like to see incompetence rewarded and see a fanbase go ballistic over what they THINK they read. I am tired of it, and I expect something better- from her, from the team, and from journalism. Is it so bad that I am not complacent?
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 8, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
And spent a year under Logan before this year. So how much more time would someone need to learn the ropes?
The Swiss are Coming, The Swiss are Coming!
Right
And Im not even saying she needs to learn them all! I mean, if she was even showing just something promising and showing improvement, Id actually be OK with it.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 8, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
just cant resist sometimes...
Scaramouch, Scaramouch, will you do the Fandango ?
-sorry, that pic just screams Boh/Rhap to me
Trottier Gone
Now Trots is gone so there is obviously some re-org going on.
Trottier is not GONE
Unless you know something I dont know.
All I see is that he is not going to be doing his current role and that the organization is putting him into a different position.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 8, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats on Katies blog, btw. If you say he is “GONE” where are you getting that from?
How about we look at the sources of information???
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 8, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry. I wasn’t sure of the proper journalistic etiquette on quoting sources since I’m just posting a comment on a fan blog. Seems like it is common knowledge that he is no longer player development director. Can I just use the newspaper route and say “multiple sources close to the situation”?
I should have stated gone from player development director position, but that is hearsay as well since I din’t speak to Trottier or Snow persnally and I can never be 100% sure what a journalist says is verbatim.
Right
So if youre not sure, why write that he is GONE when there is nothing that has said that, and the only two sites that tell us anything both say he plans to stay with the organization???
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 8, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Did you quote it properly? I believe it was “HOPES” to stay with the organization. Not the definitive PLAN, unless you have a different source.
FYI I already gave you my source for that- look up a few spots if you didnt see it. :)
Yes, Botta used the word HOPES. He said, “Trottier was unavailable for comment, but a source close to the Islanders legend said he still hopes to remain with the franchise in some capacity.”
But Katie did NOT use the word HOPES. Katie said, “The Islanders are working on finding him a different role within the organization.”
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 8, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t attribute any source, because what I stated is what I believe and I still believe Trottier is gone. He may linger in some diminished capacity, but I doubt he just got a promotion.
PS
Two sites do not say he PLANS to stay with the organization. One says Hopes one says plans. You only sourced the one source whom you often state is not too credible since they don’t name sources either.
No You Did not say that you believed he was gone, you said he IS gone.
And now youre getting on MY case because YOU spoke in absolutes saying, “Trots is gone” when it is your opinion based on nothing??? Give me a break.
One of the sources says HE hopes to stay- in which that would be HIS plan.
The other site says the organization is looking to keep him- in which it would be THEIR plan.
So, put them together, and it apparently seems to look like the plan is for him to say,. We will not know for sure. But EITHER WAY, neither of these relatively lame blog entries said he is “GONE”. Only YOU said that. And you based it on nothing but how you “feel”? Good for you but then you should make it clear to people instead of presenting how you feel as if it is factual news. If you want to just believe he is “GONE” just for kicks, GO RIGHT AHEAD. Holy shit.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 8, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
.....maybe YOU should be covering the Islanders.....
…..instead of Katie Strang, C! Kwow they wouldn’t be able to stonewall much with YOU on the case…..
lol
While I dont doubt Id write a lot more than she does, and would be asking questions left and right, Id much rather have someone on the beat who is a professional.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 8, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, I dont think either of us are qualified for the job she presently holds.
Id rather have an actual professional- someone with experience and know-how, who already has connections and contacts and understands what we fans want to hear about. If we had to have an intern turned beat writer, as we do right now, I just wish she was learning on the job. Unfortunately, she doesnt seem to be… at least, we are not seeing the fruits of it in her coverage.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 8, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
It takes a lot of courage.....
…..to be an investigative reporter, for one thing…..may carry with it almost as much denial and rejection as many outside sales positions!
LOL. Someone sign an entry level contract, quick!
Lighthouse Hockey: "A f#$%ing haven of reason compared to practically every other Islanders site." --TMC
....so if the issue was with Nino - again, IF being......
…..the operative word, who do you suppose was advocating for who, then? Did Snow want Nino, and Janks, say, Fowler? Or Gormley? Was Gudbranson in fact their first choice, or Nino all along, as Snow’s comments after selecting the latter seemed to suggest ? True, we should have the instinct to wait for some sort of official word as TMC and Dom counsel but, what if none is ever REALLY forthcoming?
if anything, i vote EGO, if it came down to a difference over a certain pick, it’s probably that 7th round choice, but i dont think it’s that… to me, garth wants to be alone on the pedestal when the team puts up 90+ point seasons, because only us will remember Janks by then
Scaramouch, Scaramouch, will you do the Fandango ?
-sorry, that pic just screams Boh/Rhap to me
No way
this has anyhting to do with something as benign and ultimately insignificant as a 7th round draft pic.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 8, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
If that’s the case let’s pack it in. One can only hope its philosophical differences
by lostsin44 on Jul 8, 2010 12:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Could be, or it could be any # of other things
The most frustrating part is that we probably will never know for sure.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 8, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
from kevin schultz fanhouse article
A source close to Jankowski with knowledge of how he conducts business says it’s not typical of how he would do things — especially not the pick of Rosen.
Scaramouch, Scaramouch, will you do the Fandango ?
-sorry, that pic just screams Boh/Rhap to me
Chicken Littles...
Funny how that links to NYIPB comment section… I think this is an opportunity for TMC to create a nickname….
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no need-
The terms “bipolar” and “drama queens” have already been invented, and they summarize up his whiny comments section quite well. Throw “relatively uninformed” and “Botta-fellating” in to that, too- though I dont know if that last one has technically been invented yet lol.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 8, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
That last sounds like......
…..some sort of perverted Star Wars term; Harrison Ford says to Chewie in footage left (for good reason) on the Industrial L &M cutting-room floor: ’We’re gonna do a little Boba Fetting! After all, who ISN’T ever up for a party?"
Which would go back to what I originally commented, that Snow and Janks probably had some differences at the draft and Snow probably felt like it was time to take the training wheels off.
It’s been a slow climb for Snow, but he’s been eased into the GM position about as easily as anyone ever has been. When you look at his moves which don’t involve amateur players he’s been making more positive moves then negative.
But once again we probably won’t know anything for weeks or even months, at least until Janks catches on somewhere else.
The Swiss are Coming, The Swiss are Coming!
CONSPIRACY THEORY 239,745
What if they let Kevin Connolly make the 7th round pick?
Was this Janks saying… "I work on this draft class for two years and you jackasses use the third pick for a kid who’s going to make Kaspiritus look like an altar boy, and then you let your son (really? the wanger is more active than people give him credit for) and a B level celebrity make our 7th round selection… "
I’m going to Vegas on Friday to see if I can get these two guys to buy the Islanders…
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lol, cirque de sol isle
Scaramouch, Scaramouch, will you do the Fandango ?
-sorry, that pic just screams Boh/Rhap to me
Exactly...
“Danny, Guy… I have a business propostion for you… yada yada yada… and if the Queens or Brooklyn things don’t work out you can move the team home (for Guy) to Quebec and become a hero all over again”
Could you imagine the replacements for the ice girls…
…and part of that yada yada yada would be where they name me Minister of Hockey Information… and head of the Hubcap (if it’s in Queens) Poker Room.
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All this reminds me of the stupid stuff I would do if I were an owner
Don’t get me wrong — I’d have a legit staff making legit decisions. But the draft is such an absurd pomp & circumstance you’re damn right when it’s in Hollywood I would use one of our better-known celebrity fans (R.I.Post-relevance, Christie Brinkley) to announce the pick.
I’d probably have Steven Wright read official statements, too. “NYI Super-Kids of the Aughts continues with our next pick, Nino Niederreiter, the Swiss behemoth.”
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lol,
" i once poured spot remover on my dog – he disappeared "
“i had a grandfather that liked to give my brother and i combo gifts… i remember one christmas i got a box of bandaids, and he gave my brother a jar of broken glass, and said, ’now you two share!”
luv that guy
Scaramouch, Scaramouch, will you do the Fandango ?
-sorry, that pic just screams Boh/Rhap to me
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“Hard work pays off in the future. Laziness pays off now.” (Oh, how I live by thee.)
“You know how it is when you go to be the subject of a psychology experiment, and nobody else shows up, and you think maybe that’s part of the experiment? I’m like that all the time.”
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Wright on!
I use this one every time I can…
Officer: Do you know what the speed limit is?
Me: No… you?
Officer: Fifty-five miles per hour!
Me: Well… i wasn’t gonna be driving that long!
Didn’t work out so good for me.
Wright and vodka has gotten me through most parties I didn’t want to be at. To quote Bob, “luv that guy!”
Wright Draft announcement:
“with the 5th overall pick in the 2010 draft the ny islanders take the 2nd round and 3rd round picks from the ottawa senators in the 2014 draft, which are actually the Anehiem Ducks picks”
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