Matt Moulson Arbitration: Comparables?
If I know me (and heavens, if anyone should know me it ought be me, but I wouldn't trust me on that), then I'd bet we'll return to the topic of Matt Moulson's arbitration hearing a time or two. Truth be told, I find arbitration stuff pretty dull, but I know it's very relevant and many fans love it, so here we go: What will Moulson make?
While most arbitration filings do not actually make it to a hearing -- both player and team usually have an interest in not letting that happen -- Moulson's next contract is a pretty big deal because it needs to be handled the right way: You might suppose that since the Islanders have plenty of cap room, Moulson's next deal can't really hurt them. But that is the kind of mistake that teams make and end up regretting as they get better, and all their young contracts come due, and suddenly they're pinching pennies just to fill a 23-man roster. (Or in the case of Chicago, Calgary and Philadelphia, just to carry a roster over from one season to the next.)
In other words, if you overpay or over-commit to a guy based on his peak season and he happens never to live up to that season, you're setting yourself up for a summer or trade deadline down the road where all talk about your team revolves around "but how will they fit everyone in?" or "but which contracts can they unload?" So the ideal for the Isles is to secure Moulson to a short-term deal so he can establish a longer track record (he has one full NHL season, a 30-goal one, at age 26), or to "do the Nielsen" with him and offer longer-term security in exchange for an annual rate that can't hurt them.
In arbitration, one point of evidence is comparable players. Of course, Moulson is a unique case, so finding comparables is a bit of a wilderness exercise.
(Note: We can only hope that fan site report card polls have no bearing on the hearing, otherwise we really screwed the pooch with our fawning community grade of Moulson's 2009-10.)
NHL players just don't often score 30 goals in their first full season at age 26. It's weird territory. It's the kind of odd circumstances far more likely to happen to a 9th-round pick like Moulson (i.e., you don't get your shot until later on), so it's the kind of scenario where a guy's value has been questioned throughout his career. And that's the kind of scenario that should give you pause when you're projecting (and paying for) his future performance.
For the comparables game, you can search really wide or you can hone it down really narrow. Think about all the variables that can go into locating a similar player if you're really into this: Beyond points there is average ice time, average PP or PK time, rank on the team's depth chart, and of course age. For this initial post I did a search at Hockey-Reference for players who, between the ages of 25 and 27, had seasons of more than 23 goals (Moulson had 30) and fewer than 60 points (Moulson had 48).
That's a wide berth, but it serves to show that there are many well-compensated NHL wingers who scored 30 goals or fewer at age 26 or 27. Martin Havlat, Scott Hartnell, Chris Kunitz, Thomas Vanek and Alexandre Burrows are some of the names that stick out on that list -- and that represents quite the range of styles, reputation and (as I'll get into) health.
Before we look at some of those, a reminder (or introduction, if you're like me and don't fancy this stuff) of what evidence is admissible at arbitration:
- The player's "overall performance" including statistics in all previous seasons.
- Injuries, illnesses and the number of games played.
- The player's length of service with the team and in the NHL.
- The player's "overall contribution" to the team's success or failure.
- The player's "special qualities of leadership or public appeal."
- The performance and salary of any player alleged to be "comparable" to the player in the dispute.
- The salary cap and the state of the team's payroll.
Evidence that is not admissible:
- The salary and performance of a "comparable" player who signed a contract as an unrestricted free agent.
- Testimonials, video and media reports.
- The financial state of the team.
Moulson's salary was $575,000 in 2009-10, after the Kings let him walk and the Isles picked him up as a free agent. What do you think it will be in 2010-11 as he re-signs as an RFA? To frame out a rough range, let's look at a few of those wingers who had similar seasons around his age:
Kunitz is an interesting one because he was more of a "late bloomer" like Moulson: His age 26 season was his first full seasons and was less impresive (19-22-41 in 69 GP, 2005-06) than Moulson's, but his next season (25-35-60 in 81 GP for a Cup winner) was perhaps a little better than the year Moulson just had. Kunitz ultimately became a casualty of the Ducks' cap troubles, after his next contract (as an RFA) bumped him up to $3.6 million territory.
In contrast to Kunitz, Hartnell -- who just turned 28 this spring (and thus completed his age 27 season) -- has been in the league since age 18. If you've forgotten, he was part of Nashville's slow expansion build and became a regular for them right away in 2000-01. Consequently, Hartnell did not hit the 30-goal plateau until ... yep, age 26 (30-30-60 in 82 GP, 2008-09), when he was already on his third contract and making the big bucks.
Hartnell was putting up 20+ goal, 40-point range seasons before that third contract, yet was able to go from just over $1 million salaries to a contract with a $4.2 million average salary. Despite being a high draft pick, you could also call Hartnell a late bloomer of sorts who had the financially lucrative good fortune to learn (and make money) on the job in the NHL. To be clear, there is also a physical/fighting side to Hartnell's game that is missing in Moulson's.
Fret not, though: It's not just $4 million guys who can be thrown into this conversation. In fact, a closer one might be Burrows, a late bloomer whose first full season (2006-07) came at age 25 and produced a paltry 9 points in 82 games. Burrows picked up after that thanks to the Performance Enhancing Situation known as "playing with the Sedins," and he scored 28 goals and 51 points in his age 27 season, the last season on his entry level deal.
I don't know whether "ability to dive relentlessly and whine to refs" is admissible evidence in arbitration, but in normal negotiations Burrows pulled a still healthy raise from near-league minimum to $2 million. If you use the Sedins to water down Burrows' achievements, you could use playing with friend and frequent linemate John Tavares as cause to water down Moulson's. (Note: You'd probably be wrong, but we won't tell the arbitrator that.)
Before you choke, obviously Vanek has no business on Moulson's comparable list: He was a 5th overall pick who came into the league scoring at age 22, and his salary is so exorbitant in part because he is one of the few examples of NHL GMs breaking "the code" and chasing other teams' RFAs. (The result shows that all signing an RFA offer sheet does is piss your colleagues off and inflate salaries. Maybe that code isn't so bad after all.)
Regardless, I threw Vanek on here for grins because one of his seasons (2009-10) showed up on that search: His age 26 season featured fewer goals than Moulson's (albeit in 11 fewer games) and just five more points. Looked at in that way, the Isles got a hell of a bang for about 1/12th of Vanek's salary.
(Another point worth recalling in all contract valuations: Last year represented Vanek's production low point since his rookie year -- while it could very conceivably be Moulson's peak.)
Like Vanek, Havlat's name does not belong here: His name turned up on that primitive search because his age 25 season (2006-07) was similar in counting numbers (25-32-57) to Moulson's age 26, but with one massive caveat: The oft-injured Havlat pulled that off in only 56 games.
'What ... would you say ... you do here?'
Again, looking at that list (which I limited to the 25-27 age range) shows how hard it will be to peg Moulson's value and production after just one real season of NHL data. Moulson's AHL numbers have been good, but so many other players who score like he did at this age have been in the league longer and have even scored at that rate at younger ages. (Take Joffrey Lupul, who had a 28-goal, 53-point season at age 22 and converted that into a $2.7 million average salary on his second contract, then a $4.25 million average on his next one.) If it got to arbitration, I'd pay to see the briefs and hear the arguments (and hopefully, not see Salo tears).
Such players have also been through the RFA process multiple times with the same team without being told to walk, as opposed to Moulson who was never signed by the Penguins and allowed to walk as an RFA by the Kings.
This isn't intended to be an authoritative list -- far from it. Rather, it's a conversation starter and attempt to show what some guys with Moulson's age and (one season) production made as RFAs. Moulson deserves to get paid for showing he's capable of a 30-goal season, but the Islanders need to be careful to avoid paying him as if he's capable of that every year. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't, but he doesn't have the track record yet. Which is why arbitration, with the exception of the hurt feelings, could be productive: It could produce a one- or two-year deal that allows Moulson to revisit things on the open market after his resume is longer. But hopefully both sides find middle ground before then.
To reiterate, these cases usually don't go to a hearing, and if they do it's usually in late July or early August. But in the meantime, what do you expect Moulson will earn (whether it goes to an arbitration hearing or not)? Who do you think his true comparables are?
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As I suggested previously,
it should be no less that $2 million and absolutely no more than $4M/year; were it me, I’d go with a 3-year, $2.5M / year and incentives including $250K additional for each season he reaches the 30-goal mark, $150K for each All-Star appearance and $100K for a positive + / – rating…..as I also said, it may be possible to add playoff-based bonuses separate from any the team receives depending upon his production, and with but 18 assists, that stat can’t really have much of a bearing in negotiation of this contract, but community service could certainly offset that …..had he netted 30 2-out of 3 seasons, I’d say that the offer could legitimately be bumped up to a guaranteed $3 mil/per, with the incentives potentially adding up to $3.5, and had it been 30 in all 3, incentives adding up to the $4 million. Such a criteria seems entirely fair to me…..
I dont believe you can build an incentive-based contract like that for a player like Moulson.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 6, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
CBA
It’s pretty strict about performance incentives, limited to entry level deals and 35+ veteran deals.
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My main coment after reading that was,
Wow, are we really paying Frans that little?
HE’S gonna be due a BIG raise after 2011-12, just to compensate him for being underpaid so badly.
Mighty MO, I think we have to keep in mind that, unless he proves that he can repeat last year’s performance, we can’t count on him being a massive part of the final product. I’d love to see it, becasue you can’t build a champion on first rounders alone, but we can’t sell out the plan just to keep him for the long term.
Either pay the Arbitrator’s award (I’d guess somewhere around $2.0 — 2.5 m) and wait and see, or offer him something like 2.5m per over two or three.
A more arbitration interesting case whill be Antti Niemi in Chicago. Stanley Cup Champ. but then again, not really an integral part of the win.
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jul 6, 2010 7:55 AM EDT reply actions
That stuck out to me, too
Frans will have an interesting payday. Another interesting bit of context is the long $2 million per deal they signed with Hunter.
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Don't Be Suprised
If the award for Moulson is over 2.25 million, don’t be suprised if the Islanders walk away from it. This is a guy who played only one season and the has no track record.
Logic would suggest an award around 3.5 for two years.
No.
The arbitrators arent going to give him more than that AND the Isles arent walking away from an arbitrators price.
I dont even think it will come to arbitration, I think they just want more time to work things out is all.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 6, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
No way walking away
Yeah, it probably won’t even get there. And even if he somehow got a huge award, you only get a 1- or 2-year deal in arbitration. It would hardly tie their hands.
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Exactly… even if Matty did get more than that it sure wouldnt be much- and theres no way that Garth walks away from a diamond he discovered and polished up himself. Matty is a feather in Garths cap, no WAY he doesnt keep him around!!!
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 6, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
four words: Tavares, childhood friend, Kessel
No way are the Isles not going to resign him. He was the leading goal scorer for crying out loud. More than that, Garth does not want to have to sit down in a few years with the player named above and have him utter the following three words. Moulson is staying with the Isles for the foreseeable future.
Best part of arbitration legalese in the CBA
Is this:
Each brief shall be limited to 40 pages, exclusive of indices, tables of contents, and exhibits. The minimum spacing shall be double, and the font shall be Times New Roman.Sounds like the “Life of Brian” preacher: At that time, a friend shall lose his friend’s hammer, and the young shall not know where lieth the things possessed by their fathers that their fathers put there only just the night before, about eight O’clock.
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All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?
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by David Hanssen on Jul 6, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Happens to be my favorite font.....
…..but the only thing it DOESN’T specify is font SIZE! Don’t want to give them any IDEAS, though…..
LOL- can you picture handing in arbitration documentation in Times New Roman 5pt font?
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 6, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Believe it or not, I think that’s covered elsewhere, along with double-spacing. (No joke.)
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oops
(Whoops, I forgot the spacing was in the part I quoted. :facepalm:)
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sad but true
You HAVE to specify nonsense like that, as any good teacher knows – or else some team (or agent) is going to show up with 90 pages of flowcharts, or else 15 padded-out sheets in 18-point Comic Sans.
You KNOW Milbury went to the Salo arb hearing with one of those all-cap extra-bold fonts.
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Absolutely
Mrs. Lighthouse has a regular rant about kids trying to squeeze larger fonts, wider margins and extra spacing in their essays.
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12.5 font, leave the spacing, clip the borders in by a 1/4 inch, thats the way to do it baby!
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“But I had to make the title a little bigger. Sorry if the headline flows on to three lines.”
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Another trick, especially if you have a longish research paper, is use 2.1 spacing instead of double. You can usually squeeze an extra page or two out of a 15 page document that way. Not that I’ve ever done anything like that…
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by David Hanssen on Jul 6, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
The insider tips
Spoken like a man who’s given some of his better years to grad school…
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Well, when you have 2-3 20 page research papers due a semester, you learn things like this.
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by David Hanssen on Jul 6, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
My problem was often the other way around- present your ideas in 5 or less pages or things to that effect- and Id have to tool with my spacing to fit more. I know, I know- me, talkative? Naaaah lol.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 6, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
:D
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 6, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny line from BSH/Flyers blog
Where they’re discussing Carcillo’s arbitration case (lot of good info about the process there in comments, too). Regarding the CBA’s arbitration language, which is explicit on process but not exactly explicit on the arbitrator’s power:
This is kind of like your company being highly concerned about the powerpoint font in your presentation, but completely unconcerned about whether or not your project makes money.
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As much as I say sign him because he clicks with JT, another good point about Moulson is that he seems to be able to click with anyone.
Moulson was the only player on the team to have 5 or more goals assisted by 5 different players. Okposo and Hunter both assisted on 6 of his goals (Hunter only had 17 As on the season) and then JT, Streit and Neislen all assisted on 5 of his goals.
The only player who comes close to that is Okposo who had 6 assists from Tavares, 5 from Bailey and 4 from Streit.
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That kind of cracks a hole in the “He was only good because he was riding shotgun with his buddy Tavares” theory.
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by David Hanssen on Jul 6, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep
Now if we could just keep that info from his agent. ..
//puts on evil NHL owner circa 1980 hat
That’s part of why I feel really good about his future. If his scoring drops off a bit it’s not a terrible worry, because he’s shown he’s a smart hockey player who can be effective on any line. Even his scoring rate in the brief spells with LA were promising, considering the linemates and minutes.)
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I met him the other day
I was eating lunch in Cos Cob with my girlfriend and I saw some guy that at first I thought I new from college or something, then I realized it was Matt Moulson. I couldn’t help but bother him. He talked to me for a few minutes – really nice guy.
Nice! :)
Its a compliment, he should be happy about it. Glad to hear he was nice, I expected no less from him. :)
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 6, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
I told him I was a big Islanders fan and he said ‘good, we need all the fans we can get’ which made me wonder if the players think the Islanders have a weak fan base. He said he was about to get married that coming Saturday which would have been this past Saturday – so he just got married. I told him I saw him on Versus after one of the MTL games. He said he’d just had his wisdom teeth out before the show and his face was still swollen and he tried to bail out of it but they wouldn’t let him.
by TMS on Jul 6, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
not surprised to hear he was nice and accommodating, i hope he gets a nice payday
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love stories like this
Pay the man his money!
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Campoli is going to Arbitration, too
Hows that for a how do ya do?
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Maybe Campoli needs a 3rd party (or is this now a 4th party?) to tell him what he’s worth?
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So he obviously doesn’t want any sort of raise.
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by Mark D on Jul 6, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now we really might have the topper to the Salo arbitration. The one where Campoli’s own agent makes him cry.
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by David Hanssen on Jul 6, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
While on the subject of CC.....
…..his b-day is actually Thursday – whose turn is it to send him a card this year, eh?
OOOOHHHHHH
For a horrifying second I thought you meant “sign Campoli for 3 yrs/ $9 mil” and I nearly spat Dr Pepper all over the keyboard. These indentations for thread replies have got to be more obvious, I’m not as young as I used to be.
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 6, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
This...
For a horrifying second I thought you meant "sign Campoli for 3 yrs/ $9 mil"
…shall never be spoken of again.
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hmmm Dr Pepper
Love that stuff, I’m not as young as you used to be either mikb :) Seems like there is a common sentiment here for around 2 – 2.5 for 2 or 3 years which sounds about right. Gotta say that even as hated as he seems to be Burrows at 2 mill is a real deal for the Canucks. I know that most of us could likely score close to 20 playing on the Sedins wing but Burrows has been better there than most others they’ve tried and still seems to get his points even when he’s not paired with them. Now Kessler at 5 mill seems like a significant overpay.
As an aside, I like the Kesler deal for the Canucks. He may not be a centerpiece-type player, but he does a little bit of everything, and plays well in all situations. $5 mil seems about right considering that the guy I see as his biggest comparable, Patrice Bergeron of the Bruins, is pulling down $5.75MM in salary this year.
And you know Jordan Staal and Travis Zajac, two more players out of the same mold, are going to cost at least that much when they become eligible for new deals
Kessler, drink stirrer and jack of all trades. Pricey, but if he maintains his level that deal should pay off for the Canucks.
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Maybe we just arent used to giving large lumps of cash to players anymore. I mean, not that 4M isnt a HUGE lump by normal human being standards, but- well you know what I mean. Its been years since someone has made a cool 5M from the Isles. And besides the turtlenecked one, who was the last player to make that kind of dough on this team?
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 6, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that's a big part
We’re so honed to either cheap prospects or expensive cap filler vets (Guerin at $4.5M, Comrie at…$4 was it?!) that we may be setting ourselves up for sticker shock.
Cap space can fill up in a hurry when every graduating free agent talent is pulling between $3 and $5 million.
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So...comparables?
Is everyone as flummoxed as I am on who you put in Moulson’s class, arbitration-wise?
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I just saw Jaro Halak’s contract. Almost 4 mil per for a player with one year as the #1 goaltender. hard to compare apples to oranges, but I’d imagine a 2.7 to 3 mil benchmark for Moulson to be set. I think the nice thing about arbitration is it can really set a value for a long term deal if play is consistent.
I cannot wait for Rakh-tober.
What about Dustin Penner? He kind of came out of nowhere to score 29 goals in 06-07 when he was 24… Makes 4.2 Million thanks to the RFA contract Lowe gave him.
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by David Hanssen on Jul 6, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Shhhhh
That’s a good one, too. I saw him turn up on the search, and Lowe’s involvement sure mucks things up.
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Lowe’s involvement sure mucks things up.
Yeah, there was no way anyone else would have paid him 4.2 a year on a 5 year contract other than Lowe.
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by David Hanssen on Jul 6, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
there was no way anyone else would have paid him 4.2 a year on a 5 year contract other than Lowe.
I have a “Glen Sather” for you on line two; shall I tell him to keep holding?
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Glen only does that to UFA’s. Lowe on the other hand signed Penner and Tomas Vanek to huge deals when they were RFA’s where he not only would have to pay them but give up draft picks if Buffalo or Anaheim didn’t match. Say what you will about Sather, he’s never been that stupid.
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by David Hanssen on Jul 6, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
fair point
but he is the master of pricing himself out of his own market, and not realizing it until about four days after training camp opens.
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also
I couldn’t resist another cheap dig at Slats.
Can’t resist this one either: “Boogaard is spelled K-O-V-A-L-C-H-U-K, right?”
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This article confused me… No way, no how was there that big a market for Boogaard that resulted in that contract, or a higher offer from Tambellini the Elder.
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by David Hanssen on Jul 6, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
The Brooks caveat
The part about the Oilers bidding more seemed to originate with one Larry Brooks, while Tamby The Elder said he pulled out when the bidding got too high. It’s still crazy no matter what the case.
But, um, Slats said he didn’t want any ice shavings sprayed on Henrik, so yeah, Boogy is the only one for that job, apparently.
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But, um, Slats said he didn’t want any ice shavings sprayed on Henrik,
Shouldn’t that be solved by addressing the blueline instead of a 6’5" orange road cone? Oh wait I forgot about Wade Redden.
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by David Hanssen on Jul 6, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I couldn’t resist another cheap dig at Slats.
They never get old!
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Glen only does that to UFA’s.
So true. He lowballs his own prospects and pays an arm and a leg for ones from another organization.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 6, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, he falls just outside the ranges you had setup (age 25-27, and under 60 points), and he played ~ 300 NHL games before breaking out, but how about Olli Jokinen?
He became a full-time NHL player in 1998-1999 when he played 66 games for the Kings (turned 21 mid-season), but he didn’t actually bust on to the scene with big point totals until 2002-2003 (turned 24 mid-season) with 65 points (36G, 29A).
Before breaking out in 2002-2003, he’d managed 87 points in 306 games from 1998-1999 through 2001-2002. Stats courtesy of hockeydb.com
I have an allergic reaction to Olli's name coming up in any of this.
Actually, Olli and St. Louis are both interesting because of that late-bloom reference. I should have mentioned that I ended up cutting off the search to after the lockout. I did a several searches and came up with seasons like that, but then when I got down to researching contracts I realized the lockout really shatters the references — not just in prelockout salaries, but also in that existing contracts took that 24% hit in the new CBA.
Those guys are great reasons to think Moulson is for real. (Well, I believe he’s for real, but the degree to which this year is repeatable is the question.)
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I’ll also offer up Martin St. Louis, who had 35 and 40 point seasons with Tampa Bay at ages 25-26 in 2000-2001 and 2001-2002, before jumping up to 70 points in 2002-2003 at age 27.
Joker / San Louie
The Isles can only hope that Moulson does similar work from here on out. If so, then I would gladly see him make $4.5 mil or so per year.
It would be wise for both team and player to consider: locking him in for a long term could become an albatross as well as keeping him from major earning if he hits the high end of this range, rather than being a Cheechoo-ian flash in the pan. Two years in the $2M – $2.5 range? Moulson proves he can produce while still leaving him young enough to cash in; the team gets inexpensive goals, saves room for the core players, and can A) part ways when Nino or Joensuu or Draftee X (or maybe Ullstrom?) jumps up – if none jump up then B) Isles make him That Guy and toss some bank at him, having a good idea what he’s worth and what they can afford for him at the time.
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Moulson Comparables
How about Mikhail Grabovski?
He had a 20-28-48 in 78GP’s in 2008-09 (he was 25 at the time), re-signed at 3 years @ 2.9 million after that season.
Granted, Grabovski and Moulson are different players to some extent (physicality and Moulson comes off as more of a sniper than Grabovski, Moulson playing harder opposition). But there are a lot of similarities – amount of points on the powerplay, shooting percentage, zone starts (52.5 for Grabovski and 52.3 for Moulson in the offensive zone – although Grabovski’s zone finish was slightly better).
Below this 2.9 million figure would be good – but this appears to be a close indicator to Moulson’s value (especially if the term is the same).
Oooh, interesting
We don’t really have to use JFJ players and Burke contracts as comparables though, do we? That’s almost like holding GMs to Sather’s standards.
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He was actually a Fletcher acquisition (JFJ-free).
Apart from the truculence, the PPP article on his re-signing sounds fairly similar in parts to the Moulson situation.
The Isles will in a lot of similar situations to this in the coming years, due to the sheer volume of their team moving forward that are going to be RFA’s first. I particularly see it as likely to affect Schremp moving forward if the Isles don’t sign him through the rest of his RFA years. If Schremp is if he is going to bloom late (he is 23 now) you would expect it to be in the next 1-2 seasons – which could be very similar to the current Moulson situation.
Thanks. And wow, the Silver Fox. I forgot he did anything besides trade Steen and Colaiacovo.
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