You're the GM: Make Ilya Kovalchuk an offer
by Dominik on Jul 5, 2010 6:15 AM EDT
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Print[UPDATE: Kovy's agent says he is "looking" to make a decision today...Update2: the Post claims it will be with New Jersey, around 7 years. Update3: If their figure is right, the Devils have to remove a body (or two) to fit under the cap, and Kovy becomes the fourth-highest cap hit in the league. Update4: In accordance with the prophecies, the Post has backed off the strong language from their initial story. Update5: Kovy's agent graced Twitter with the following: Choices narrowed down but no announcement tonight. Yeah, happy U.S. holiday. Update6: Katie Strang says the Isles are out.]
With Kings GM Dean Lombardi claiming to pull out of the Ilya Kovalchuk auction (whether to trade for Simon Gagne or simply as a negotiating ploy, we don't know, but a couple of reports have Ilya firm at demanding $100 million to go West), I turn to the next thought exercise, which is fun even if (as?) Ilya re-signs with New Jersey: What would your offer for Ilya have been?
I made hay with my case against a (much reported, never confirmed) "nuclear option" 10-year, $10 million deal, and that was not to inflate a rumor but rather because I'd been against such an offer ever since the Islanders were (weakly) rumored in trade talks for Ilya as far back as January, when we polled readers for trade proposals. At that time, you'll recall, Ilya had turned down an extension from Atlanta in the ballpark of the offers speculated/demanded in the last week. So I had my reasons for not wanting to trade assets for a guy who was not content with $100 million from a rebuild team (thus, the question: What on earth would he demand to "stay" with the Isles if they rented him?).
So we've debated that "all in" option plenty. (To be clear, it's reported the Isles never went that high, but please remember last week Ilya was said to be shooting for 12 years at $10 million from the Kings, and even now it's said he's demanding $100M from them.) That aside, a fun question, since many on either side of the fence could still fancy Ilya in an Isles uniform for the short term: If you were GM, what would your initial offer be? And where would you cut it off? My best offer is after the jump.
Granted, by all reports Ilya has sought max money and practically lifetime commitment, so you can say it's pointless to offer anything less. That doesn't mean he'll get it (and besides, this is just an exercise). He may be realizing -- as many forecast before this summer began -- that his one-dimensional play just doesn't command quite that level of respect from any NHL GM. So if I were Garth Snow with still plenty to spend and a marching order desire to get Ilya on John Tavares' left wing, and Ilya's bidders were down to two (plus the KHL), I would appeal to Ilya's inner Hossa:
"Pssst. Ilya. You want the world. No one's giving it to you. They don't like you that way. So take max money from us for a year, maybe two -- $3 million more than anyone else can do -- and show everyone just how huge you can be for a young team with budding stars. If you can do that, next summer (or the summer after) at age 28/29 you'll be $11/22 million richer and teams will be falling over themselves to give you a long-term deal -- and you might even earn and want one from Charles Wang, who is super-loyal to those he believes in. What do ya say?"
I doubt short-term would get it done for him on Long Island -- hell, I doubt any of this will happen period -- but it's where I'd start (and, honestly, end).
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I get nervous on long deals
due to our poor history, but does that mean you stop trying.
if JT shoot 5 times in th egame and doesn’t score should he stop shooting and play D, no…same here. One bad deal to Yashin had nothing to do with th ebad deal to DP and neither has anything to do with Ilya…he is a different player, and he maybe a future HOF.
Would you give some of the old Islanders the deal, Bossy, Smith, LaFontaine.
Imagine if we signed patty to 10 years, he woul dhave put the Buffalo numbers up here
But your argument for signing someone to a 10 year deal can just as easily be an argument against.
If we had signed Patty to a 10 year deal, we would have gotten 7 seasons out of him, of which 3 of them would have been less then 25 games.
Bossy only played 10 years total.
Smith played 17 seasons, but played a lot of split time in the crease and didn’t play 60 or 70 game regular seasons.
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Exactly. We’d have been quite let down if we gave LaFontaine or Bossy top-dollar 10-year deals at age 27. Not saying Kovy’s destined for career-ending injurious decline, but that is obviously part of the risk with such term.
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And lets face it the Rick deal wasn't bad it was a great number...
it was just retard-idly long. If Ricks not chronically injured thats a good deal.
Yashin was stupid at the time, but I also fault the lockout which made it worse, add another good season (I would hope) and we may not have been so quick to buy him out.
Now neither deal has actually hurt us in any way shape or form, with regards to cap space. Will 10 for 10 to Kovy, it might but thats really getting way ahead of things I mean JT might want as much, but its not like Bailey or KO are lighting things up yet, and everyone else I think is to far along for it to even make a difference, thats if they do even get to their full potential, which is a lot to ask to begin with.
TRUE, it didn't hurt in terms of cap space.....
…..but where it DID cause undeniable injury was in not being able to change the team dynamic for almost 5 years when it was clear Alexei was hardly earning his salary and not a team in the league would take him off our hands with that deal – one can say, somewhat ironically, that such circumstances DID yield a few very good draft picks in poorer season-to-season results, but that really SHOULDN’T be this team’s primary or even secondary concern, should it?
Had Yashin’s all-around game been limited and he was netting 50-60 goals per season on average, few would’ve held it against him – but 20-30???? That’s a GAPING failure to provide services as contracted at his HUGE rate-of-pay, and as for The Rick, as a goaltender he’s failed miserably to honor the tacit terms of his agreement as well (despite the entirely legit chronic injury excuse) though it could be argued that Milbury drafted him for the entertainment value of his playing style, one that we all know has contributed to that excuse MIGHTILY…..
I asked the question in an earlier thread, with no response: does Ilya have one shred of character about ANY aspect of his hockey life? What is his perceived rep with the media, is he a good interview? And how has he interacted with the community in Atlanta? For a team that has expressed a desire to create a culture of character, these are kinda crucial questions where Kovalchuk is concerned – at least Alexei was very effective at interfacing with the neighbors on LI….
One OTHER thought.....
…..once upon a time not so long ago post-2004 lockout, the rule-of-thumb in determining rate-of-pay was $1 mil for every 10 goals scored, which isn’t necessarily a rational ratio EITHER but, the reality of today’s NHL…..and incentives were meted out in $500K increments, in which case it would be reasonable to offer Moulson $2.5M/year for 2-3 years with an incentive for another $1-1.5M dependent upon his reaching the 30-goal mark throughout…..
While there may be obvious perks to having a player such as Ilya on one’s team (the primary one being marquee value) if this 10M/ 10 years benchmark holds, and his average of around 40 goals/season is maintained, that means we’re paying him over TWO mil for every 10 goals he scores! Which, it so happens, is just slightly better than the ROI we got with Yashin. Can any team that speaks of its commitment to character really do that sort of deal – AGAIN????
This system, of course,
doesn’t overlook assists, but in the case of Kovi, we WOULD be paying him for the goals…..not sure how assists, All-Star appearances/Cup performance and +/- total would be factored in (aside from his stint in this year’s playoffs, his post-season point totals are mediocre – 1 and 2, respectively…..)
Of course, Kovalchuk HAS scored 52 goals on two occasions and it would be truly gratifying to have another 50-goal sniper on this team, but his 40-goal campaigns were 41, 42, and 43 respectively, so there’s some question as to how many he might still have in him (that said, given the relative quality of players surrounding him in Atlanta, it might be premature to measure his previous season goal totals against future scoring potential, especially with the possible offensive powerhouse – Nino and the Kirills in particular – that seems to beckon for us and several more 50+ goal seasons wouldn’t be unrealistic at all…..)
The Prime, be realistic if you want him...
no point in renting him for two years, he’s better than that. 1 million more than the Devils may not cut it. I really don’t see the money as the problem, its the length, although thats not really a problem either.
Quote concerning Ilya from Lamoriello (from NJ TImes feature):
“I’ve been pleased with him from day one. We knew there would be adjustments. The thing I’ve been most pleased with is he’s been a great teammate and quality individual. The interaction, he’s fit right in with the group. Those are always things that are unknowns until you have a player. The bottom line is winning. We don’t want anything to get in the way of that.”
Coming from such a known curmudgeon such as Lou, that IS saying a LOT…..
It’s certainly food for thought. Lou also has a vested interest in not looking bad. I do believe he can be a good teammate; I’m pretty skeptical he can learn to be a complete player (or, in other words: someone I’d commit $10 million to for eternity).
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The only option that seems do-able
I voted for max money for 1-2 years (specifically, exactly one year), because, after hearing everyone talk about this for three days, there really isn’t another scenario that would work for both sides. Like others, I was toying with a mid-range for years or salary or both, but none of those are going to work, given the way the cap ceiling rules work.
Kovi wants to be paid big money until he retires. Signing for 4, 5, or 6 years doesn’t make much sense to him, as he’d be in his early 30s when it’s time to negotiate a new deal. So, either he signs a 10 year deal now or 1 year deal and then goes for the long contract next summer. Money, as it turns out, is hardly the issue at this point. Since the cap hit is averaged over the life of the deal, it’s hard to believe the Isles will want to lock up kovi long-term even if it’s for $7 million per year, given the rate at which pure goal scorers drop off when they hit their 30s.
The Isles won’t do 10 years. Kovi won’t do anything other than 10, unless he really can’t find the money somewhere else. In that case, WE would be HIS nuclear option at 1 year, and then he goes for the big contract next season.
Warning: This post may cause Yashin Rashes, Spano Spasms, and Dingle Milburys.
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Jul 5, 2010 10:41 AM EDT reply actions
I don't want him, so....
I say offer him $50 not to score against us and call it a day.
I realize this is a pretty stupid answer to a reasonable question, and I hope no one takes offence, but for the reasons I’ve stated before, in terms of the damage he potentially does to the rebuild, a huge money contract to this guy is just a bad idea.
Does anyone have any idea how he fits the GoGo system? I don’t think I’ve ever seen him pressure the puck, defensive zone or otherwise. Sure, he’s great on the PP, but you can’t stick him on the PP and then throw away close to 1/3 of the game with a system that is different from that the rest of the team plays becasue Kovi can’t pressure the puck on the forecheck. On a line with JT, where the serious pressure has to come from someone other than the centre (since, let’s face it, JT is NOT the fleetest of foot) this could be seriously problematic.
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jul 5, 2010 11:22 AM EDT reply actions
No Long term deal!!
The Hossa (didn’t he sign a longer deal?) would be perfect…he gets max $ (highest paid player in the league!?) for two years and we get some serious offense. No one’s tied down or stuck in terribly long contract and in two years if it works out, the team and the player will be better for it…if it doesn’t work…good luck Kovi. Anything longer than two years is too long.
Nice chice of pic
By the way Dom, I love your choice of pic and caption at the top of the page.
I’d go for a “Hossa” deal, as well. There’s always some inherent risk for any player when it comes to leaving term [i.e., years] on the table, but he’s young/productive enough that he can still garner considerable offers next year or the year after. Plus, there’s no doubt that he’d add the kind of scoring punch that would help the team in the short-term… and in this case, he’s probably playing w/some combination of Tavares, Moulson, Okposo, etc. – so that’s beneficial to the youngsters’ development, as well. If it’s a fit after 1-2 yrs. – and he’s enough of a positive influence on the team [and most importantly, helping them win] – then give him a reasonable long-term deal after that. (You’d also have to think that he’d give a little more consideration to fitting into NYI’s cap structure if he knows he’s a part of a team that – w/their young talent – can remain competitive for a number of years.)
If we had a shot at signing him to the kind of deal that the Kings/Devs want – 7-8 yrs, $7.5-8 mil./yr. – I’d probably be for that, too… but I don’t think it’s realistic to expect Kovy would come here for anything less than Scrooge McDuck-type cash.
What I do know is that I’m against a potential 10/100 offer – just too many variables [physical AND psychological] to be locked into him for that long at that price. If that’s what it takes to get him, I’d pass.
(You’d also have to think that he’d give a little more consideration to fitting into NYI’s cap structure if he knows he’s a part of a team that – w/their young talent – can remain competitive for a number of years.)
That’s what I don’t get about his demands from LA. Does he not see the team around him? Does he not see the salaries and talent they’d have to fit in around him?
This is where the “Does he want the money or the winning?” question comes in. It’s fair for a player to want both, but I’m not sure there’s a single situation out there that makes room for both if you’re wanting $10 million per year in perpetuity.
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Decision today?
Just heard his agent said there would be a decision today.
Oooohhhhh, the suspense!
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5 years, $9 mil per
that should blow away NJ and LA….and anybody else and not keep the Isles from holding onto their prospects.
I should add that...
I am very wary of the effect Kovi could have on a very good team chemistry, BUT Nino has said that Kovi is his favorite player. As if Nino needed anything to get him more pumped to play in the NHL, imagine him and Kovi on one line and JT, Moulson, and KO on another. Him and Nino would be 100 octane and JT, MM, and KO would be pumped up by the competition.
Isles probably put a deadline on the offer
The Devils can’t match the Isles long term so maybe Kovi settles for one year deal and stays in NJ.
Buzz now is Devils, 7 years, around $60 million
At least that’s what the Post claims.
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It doesn't make sense
That would make them 4 million over the cap how can they make that deal
Teams are allowed a 10% overage during the off-season, and we don’t know what, if any, personnel moves would be a part of the signing.
The general feeling is that Salvador (redundant role with the acquisitions of Volchenkov and Tallinder) and possibly Zubrus are gone.
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Yes but what is the 10% 5.9 million
They still need to sign 2 more people so that’s what 1.9 million for 2 people if they don’t make a trade
They’ve got $4.78m free right now. Add Salvadors $2.9m and Zubrus’ $3.4m and they’ve got $11.08m. Subtract the rumored $8.571m and they’ve got $2.469m left to find two bottom 6 forwards and a 3rd pairing defenseman.
Pelley is already signed for an undisclosed amount. Re-sign McAmmond for 500k. Re-sign Fraser (RFA who made 500k last year) or call up Corrente ($821k).
Assuming Pelley isn’t making more than $1m, and I see no reason he should be, that’s $2.321m… leaving about $148k.
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Dump Zubrus and another body (Salvador?). To be in the bidding, they’d have to have known they’ll have to do something.
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Max for 5-6 years
I tend to agree with BCISLEMAN. I think if we can get him at max $$ for 5-6 years, i would jump on that. Look, not many big time names are coming to the Coliseum and certainly none of the caliber of Kovi. It would only help down the road of possibly attracting future free agents to the Island.
yes we all feel the same about Yashin and Dipietro’s contract, but when was the last time we had a legit superstar wear orange and blue. Especially without having to give up prospects or good young players to bring ’em in here.
Have to give it to Wang
The only reason hockey is even alive on Long Island is this man. He may think a Sumo wrestler would make a good goalie but you have to love his passion to bring a winner to Long Island. Charles really is trying and you can’t knock him for that.
that pushes them over the 10% threshold though does it not?
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We'll see on the numbers
Rolston or Elias needs to be moved now
Seen conflicting reports on the numbers
News/rumors flying all over the place. Still possible it’s a shorter deal than the Post/Everson source said.
This is a fascinating gamble for the Devils — but then they signed up for it when they traded for him last season.
For the Isles: Frolov or bust! (Well, my wish anyway.)
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Yup, my wish too. Not a huge fan of Frolov’s, but he’s one of the few legitimate scoring wingers left on the market. Just hope that the Kovy-to-NJ news doesn’t spark a bidding war for the guy.
Some interesting guys out there
What Pittsburgh does is a factor. Will they get someone like Kariya on a “discount-chance-to-win” deal? Will Guerin resurface on a non-contender?
Not that I desire either of those two for the Isles, but they are dominos in the remaining wing derby.
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Anyone think Snow can make a deal with Lou for Rolston?
Won’t cost much and helps both the Devils get under the cap and Isles to the floor. Rolston is only signed for 2010-2011.
Just checked again. Rolston is signed for 2011-2012
At 5 million per year he fits Isles salary floor issues as a second line LW.
ugh, so we clear them the room for Kovi and get a guy who’s well past his prime? what a deal
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-sorry, that pic just screams Boh/Rhap to me
Better than picking up trash like they have so far
Rolston would be better value than Weight imo. Let’s face it, no one wants to come to Long Island. Isles still will have cap issues next season so Rolston can fill the void until the younger guys develop and earn higher salaries.
Not on that deal, no way
The Isles need to be patient and strategic about all this:
- Don’t make rash decisions and take on anchor contracts just because you missed out on the FA’s most overpriced assets
- Develop your own guys, and hang on to them (for much less than their equivalents cost on the open market)
- Don’t take two days of rejection in July as cause to commit to mistakes that will haunt you for years.
Rolston is over the hill. Guys of similar quality are still available for free, at a lesser salary.
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how is this not picking up the devils trash?
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-sorry, that pic just screams Boh/Rhap to me
Rolston is not trash Weight is. Not looking for a stud just a vet who can work with the kids and produce something good old Doug can’t do anymore.
JT is close to weight, the other players still respect and like him a lot, and he’s going to likely take 1.5 or less this year and play 4th line minutes or wing if need be… if i go to rolstons stats i’m sure i wont be blown away
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-sorry, that pic just screams Boh/Rhap to me
Points per game last season
Rolston: 0.46
Weight: 0.47
And that was while Weight played through injury. Who’s washed up? Who still has two years at $5 million per on their deal? Who is already respected and looked up to by the Isles kids?
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Ha Ha
and how many games does Weight play in? Weight is an injury waiting to happen. Doug thanks Charles for the paycheck though. At least I know Rolston can play minutes and last. Lou is going to move Rolston and I think Garth should at least listen to what it will cost which probably won’t be much.
The point is
Neither is an offensive dynamo, but one makes you a lot less flexible and has no existing connection with the team and the kids you’re trying to mentor. Plus, you have to trade an asset(s) to get him. I’d rather sign any number of FA’s who are still looking for work on July 5.
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If Garth dont land Kovy
He has to face him, what, 9 times a year? He’s gonna light it up against us like he usually does. Not the guy we want in the division. Who are we gonna add to our weak offense???
the 4 most recent signings are an insult. And so far I wont be buying any ticket packages for the comig year. Sutton would have been better than Eaton…………….and the other 3 guys are bums!
Eaton is a pretty reliable defender… I have zero issues w/that signing. He’s a legit top-four guy, sound in his own end, and doesn’t make many mistake – we need a guy like that. Konopka should bring some spark, grit, and tenacity in a fourth-line role; those who wanted Asham back should have little-to-no qualms w/Konopka.
The other two signings are filler, I agree. I’m hoping there’s more – well, there has to be more, given the team’s cap status.
We were thinking pretty much the same about Moulson last summer, it seems to me.
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jul 5, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
not so sad
lazt defensively,below average passer, for 10 years?!! i still have nightmares of yashin! lets get gagne
by Lakewood Islander on Jul 5, 2010 1:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Hilariously, Post headline has now changed
They’ve softened their story (see updates at the top of this post). Remind me why I bother ever updating breaking news from that org?
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one strange thing is the dev’s usually never “leak” anything, reporters went to marty about him possibly being traded to Wash a few weeks ago and he just toyed with them, asking if lou told them that, and then he reminded them he has a no trade clause, lol
once the agent or lou is quoted with confirmation, then i’ll believe it, this sounds like a gasp to break the story first, especially with the change in headline
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Sho' enough
I’m betting a lot of “sources” are using the media right now to toy with them or influence negotiations. It’s possible Ilya was intent on deciding between NJD and ??? (NYI? KHL? Mystery bidder?) today.
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On that note
This from beatwriter Gilluti:
Starting to wonder if tweetng that the decision would be made today wasn’t a way of trying to force the hand of any team dragging its feet.
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haha, we being that one’s a dragon, i mean dragging
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-sorry, that pic just screams Boh/Rhap to me
Ilya camp to Twitter: The Isles are offering me big bucks! See! See!
Dean Lombardi to LAT: That was my final offer, dude. Seriously.
Lou: Yeah, giving you more than 8.5 would be nuts. At least for us. You have to know that.
Ilya camp to NYPost: You don’t really mean that, do you? Come oooon, bid again. Pleeeease.
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That's about right
I miss the days when I lived in a hole and just found out whatever the hell happened in the morning paper.
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Moulson files for arbitration
According to Katie Strang.
Not a big surprise. He was going to get a much bigger raise than his qualifying offer would be, and this is one way to get it.
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interesting, but essentially it means nothing, he can still sign a deal before it goes to the arbiter, which is what i hope happens because those things are notoriously ugly
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-sorry, that pic just screams Boh/Rhap to me
I would like for them to get moulson taken care of relatively quick. With that said, i would be very cautious of expecting him to match his production from last year. He had a great year but he is no longer under the radar and a lot more will expected from him. that brings added pressure.
I would hate to see another “mark lawrence”….
i think he gets right in that area, unless they go for 3+ years, and then u estimate higher, like 2.8-3.2 over 3 years (because to him and his agent, he’s going to do at least this, minimum, every year now, lol)
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If i were negotiating on behalf of the isles, i would do a one year deal and see where he stands towards the end of the season. If he put up solid numbers, i would sign him to an extension of 2-3 years. If the production is not there, then the ball is still in the isles court for future negotiations.
I’d give him a deal as long as JT’s deal. The Islanders would be silly to break those two up.
I don’t see why everyone doubts Moulson? He was the one player to have steady production all year long and if he continues getting those dirty goals he can get 25ish goals easy.
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doubting has nothing to do with it, it’s a negotiating point from from a GM pov, problem is, and i’m not sure of this, but, if he goes to arb for a year, after that year, he’s UFA then right? now he’s RFA and locking him up to a 3-4 year deal seems like a solid move, 2, 2.8, 3.4, 3.8 for a cap hit of 3mil, and throw in unlimited texting :)
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-sorry, that pic just screams Boh/Rhap to me
the doubts are there because he came out of nowhere and scored 30 goals. There is no way anyone/anywhere saw this production coming from moulson. if that was the case, the LA Kings would have signed him when he was still in their system.
This is not a knock on him. i like the guy and i hope he nets at least 25 but how many times have we seen guys have phenomenal years only to never match that total again.
I’ve quoted him before on it, but Quisp definitely saw it coming. If you want to read his article about it, it’s definitely interesting.
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I'm G.M.- my bids
I open with 5yr/ 10mil per. Go out to 7 year 60+mill.( beat the Devils), then finish up with 4-5 year at-near max. If that doesn’t do it- he doesn’t want to come here= we shouldn’t want him here.
Just say NO to long term contracts.
sometimes the best deals are the ones that are not made
we sign Frolov and Nino makes the roster we are still a much better offense than last year and we have no future cap or chemistry worries.
you want Nino to make the roster? Isnt he like 17yo?? Hows about a little seasoning at Bridgeport first??
It’s either juniors or NHL for players in Nino’s age and league. By the CBA he can’t see AHL action for another two seasons.
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No problem. The various rules of the CBA are almost complex enough to make that document deserve to be as long as it is. There’s almost no “cheat sheet” form because everything has exceptions and preconditions and all that…
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he will be 18
and so will Taylor Hall. So was JT last year. I think that he will make a strong case for being placed on the roster and Gordon would be foolish to send him down if he does. And I think that Garth should be moving aggressively pursuing Frolov. If he has to overpay a little, so be it. My other moves would be Grebeshkov and—if Garth wants a backup—Dubie. It is going to be tough hitting the floor with the roster players already signed.
I think a big factor re whether Nino makes the team will be
the Cap floor.
Rookies have low salaries and high cap hits because of their potential bonuses. Right or wrong, if the Isles are really feeling it making it to the cap floor, look for a few rookies to make the team.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jul 5, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
not saying that won't enter into it but
if Nino looks like he needs another year, I’ll be the first to say he should spend another year in Portland. If, however, he plays like he belongs in preseason and in the first 9 games—or whatever it is—of the regular season, he should be placed on the roster, cap hit or no cap hit.
Exactly...
I’m so tired of people saying, he needs more seasoning, he needs more time, when they’ve never even seen him play. So what he’s 18, all player are different at 18, some are ready, some aren’t, let’s see what he can do in camp before we say where he needs to be.
for most players, it makes sense to give them a year of two in juniors
I do not think Nino is one of those players. If he struggles at all in preseason or those first few regular season games, I may change my mind, but I fully expect him to make the roster.
so the agent said kovi’s not done making up his mind yet huh? you think wanger asked him to wait and see if fat kate produces a LH plan tomorrow for him to review???
Scaramouch, Scaramouch, will you do the Fandango ?
-sorry, that pic just screams Boh/Rhap to me
No, I think Lou asked him to sit tight while he cleared som cap space.
Just say NO to long term contracts.
Priceless agent-ese
For those who didn’t see it, his agent on Twitter:
Ilya Kovalchuk choices have been narrowed down, details to be finalized but no announcement tonight….
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He also said it should come tomorrow
reports are its down to two teams the Devils and another (presumably us)
Seriously. I find it interesting LA pulled out in the first place (if they truly pulled out). I’d think LA and NJ would be prepared to issue similar offers, which would lead me to believe he wants more from LA to go there.
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This is my assessment as well. And in that case, good riddance. I’ll just be rooting for you guys to knock them out of the playoffs every year.
Of course, some Kings fans and even our very own Times reporter are taking that snub to heart, and wailing “What’s WRONG with us?” I wonder when they’ll realize that this guy isn’t exactly the paragon of shrewd and reasonable thinking.
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That amazed me
The whole LAT “this is the catch-22 with the Kings” thing. What crap. There are fewer premium free agents on the market each year than there are bidders — that’s why they always end up getting overpaid. To act like Kovy’s passing on LA is some grand sign is … well it’s the stuff that sells papers.
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Gotta wonder where Kovy's line in the sand is
(If there is one, anyway.)
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ah, not an optimum/cablevision customer huh? it basically said we never offered anything big, it didnt get very detailed, and that if it did, they were hoping for a shorter term deal… which is what we were all pretty much saying was the smarter course… ok nino, welcome to the SHOW! lol
Scaramouch, Scaramouch, will you do the Fandango ?
-sorry, that pic just screams Boh/Rhap to me
although if you want to spin a positive light on this, snow might just be playing the game again, and telling people he’s out when he’s closer than ever… he never seems to be on the up and up when it comes to newsday, especially after he so brusquely told her he “wasn’t going to do this everyday” so who knows… all i know is, i finished my GAH marathon and enjoyed it’s cheesy goodness
Scaramouch, Scaramouch, will you do the Fandango ?
-sorry, that pic just screams Boh/Rhap to me
GAH
I missed that acronym when you used it earlier. We actually stumbled into watching some of it last night. Hilarious, campy memory lane trip.
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I am the only one
Who thinks wherever Strang went to school didn’t have Investigative Journalism?
She seems to basically take whatever Snow says at face value and print it.
It’s almost like Snow’s secondary PR department, you know if anyone actually read newsday.
The Swiss are Coming, The Swiss are Coming!
Bring back Greg
Katie may be cuter. She can cover the human interest angles…like what Nino does for kicks during the summer in Chur.
She can cover the human interest angles…like what Nino does for kicks during the summer in Chur.
Sadly that would be an improvement, but she isnt even doing THAT. She reiterates the boxscore from games, doesnt ask any good questions, prints the answers to her lame questions, reiterates when the Isles make any official statements, and thats pretty much it.
I miss Greg too. He was so much more professional.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 6, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe she's like Josh
thrown into the deep end too soon by herself. Maybe she needs time to grow. Is there a sports journalism equivalent to the juniors? Maybe Newsday can send her there to work out the kinks and become a real reporter.
Is there a sports journalism equivalent to the juniors?
yup, it’s called interning, which she did, for a year i think, then they gave her the isles beat… probably because they would feel it’s not worth paying a seasoned vet to do the job
Scaramouch, Scaramouch, will you do the Fandango ?
-sorry, that pic just screams Boh/Rhap to me
then maybe she needs a stint at Bridgeport
covering the Sound Tigers. Either that or she needs to to be hired as the Islanders spokesperson—which she mostly is anyway. Maybe this team needs to really start winning before it gets a serious beat reporter.
probably… i just left a comment on her most recent story on newsday…
blewan
hey katie, this time last year you were in rookie camp telling us about JT’s first strides in an isles jersey, this year (makes cricket noise) are they keeping you out so they can make me go to the scrimmage to see how the kids look?
Scaramouch, Scaramouch, will you do the Fandango ?
-sorry, that pic just screams Boh/Rhap to me
Excellent.
I have called newsday and tried to talk to people about where she needs to improve. Its not like Im saying she cant do the job- I think she just doesnt understand what the job IS. She thinks if she reiterates the box scores after each game she is a beatwriter. This is a chick who wrote that Trevor Gillies was related to OUR Gillies- why? Because she doesnt talk to players, she doesnt inquire, she doesnt research, and she doesnt do her job. If I did as well at my job as she does at hers, I would have been laid off by now.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 6, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
oh and BC, looks like Nazim Kadri is going to make the Leafs this year, so now i’m doubly hoping Nino sticks with the big club…
Scaramouch, Scaramouch, will you do the Fandango ?
-sorry, that pic just screams Boh/Rhap to me
oh but we still do not know
whether the Leafs will get Sid or Ovi for Kaberle. Leaf fans are still trying to decide.
Relax!
to the best of my knowledge, they have NOT, repeat, NOT made Anze a target for a Kaberle trade.
NOT ENOUGH FOR KABERLE!!!1
Need moar Simmonds. Oh, Hockey’s Future boards, never change.
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yes, you are right...my bad
it would take Kopitar AND Simmonds to swing a deal for the one player Leaf fans assume that every other team will have to give away half their franchise for even if he is a one year rental simply because Burkie might want to trade him. WHAT was I thinking?!!!
I was totally up for her to grow- I really was. After all, tyheres no way anyone could possibly write like a vet and ask questions like a vet when the person is totally was new at this. But honestly, she has not gotten any better. When she was interning and Logan had the beat,her pieces were obviously well done and you could see that she put effort into them. Now we no longer have anyone doing the beat part… and she no longer does what she used to do (pieces that were a bit fluffier) so now we have nothing. All she does is reiterate what we see elsewhere and what we already know. She doesnt do anyhting interesting. Its like when Moulson filed for arbitration… she puts that in a little added-on BTW type of sentence in a blog entry about Kovalchuk. Um, Matt is more important, Katie! And she doesnt bother to tell us if anyone else filed for arbitration out of our RFAs… I had to search for that information from the NHL itself. Would it be THAT hard for her to mention it? Of course not- it just doesnt dawn on her that we might want to know that. Honestly, I think she is doing a really poor job.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 6, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
i so get your point, the fantasy sports site i read had a blurb on moulson, and linked the source as newsday, i clicked it and it went to the Kovi article, and i was like, hmm… i already knew that i thought i was getting something new to read
Scaramouch, Scaramouch, will you do the Fandango ?
-sorry, that pic just screams Boh/Rhap to me
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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.
The victory justified the faith in coach Al Arbour who guided them from their second season to their first Stanley Cup seven seasons later. The Islanders would not be the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup, but they would be the only one capable of a dynasty.
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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.
Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.
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May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.
A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.
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May 17, 1983: Not so fast, whipper-snappers. The Edmonton Oilers' steadily rising challenge for league supremacy took them all the way to the finals for the first time, where the New York Islanders summarily dispatched them in a four-game sweep. For the Islanders, the Dynasty was secured. For the Oilers, it was a powerful lesson in where talent ends and the demands of playoff hockey begin.
Four years, four Cups, 16 consecutive playoff series wins (a record that would grow to 19 until the rematch with the Oilers the following year). Mike Bossy scored 60 goals yet again, and Wayne Gretzky became acquainted with Billy Smith's crease.
