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On Kovalchuk (again), DiPietro (again): We didn't start the fire

Why tackle just one tired Internet topic when you can tackle two? It's Ilya Kovalchuk AND Rick DiPietro time!

Topic fatigue aside, it's worth addressing something that has come up in all the Kovy hysteria: This didn't start with DiPietro. I mean, sure, maybe crazy-long deals started with DiPietro (but not really; Yashin's gratuitous 10-year whopper came before that). Maybe the first long-term deal with an eye toward managing the cap started with DiPietro. But that 15-year, $4.5 million-per-year deal was not a cap circumvention. (Nor was Ovechkin's, though that's been dragged into this drama too.)

What was it? A compromise between player and owner* -- as opposed to the rejected Kovalchuk deal, where each party has their cake and eats it too (assuming Ilya's allergy to backchecking does not spoil the Devils' cake), paving the way for league rejection and even the fanciful L.A. dream of re-entering the pursuit.

Because in DiPietro's deal was an implicit compromise:

Star-divide

The Islanders paid him more than an RFA and not-quite-prime #1 goalie would make in the early years, in return for his long-term commitment and in return for paying him less than a #1 goalie would make during his peak years. In current terms, the Islanders "bought his UFA years" (though of course in the Isles case, they bought a whole ton of 'em. But that's another matter that has little to do with the cap).

* The DP deal is commonly ascribed to Charles Wang, not the GM -- as was the Yashin deal, as outlined in the Hahn/Botte book, "Fishsticks"

Each side took on risk, but it was not risk that could be evaded by making the deal go to age 40 instead of age 38. It was not risk mitigated by tacking on meaningless years at laughably low salary, nor by picking a lower salary in the first two years to rig a way around the CBA's "50% rule."

The risk DiPietro took on was that salaries would continue to rise and he would be making "only" $4.5 million in a world where franchise players make twice that. This is the risk that every player takes when he signs a long-term contract. (i.e. "What if revenues double, and suddenly I'm underpaid?! Suddenly the long-term security I bought seems regrettable!") Further, if he elected to retire before the deal was up, he was out $4.5 million per on whichever years he left on the table. This was not a Kovalchuk scenario, where Ilya is protected from early retirement -- almost rewarded for early or rather "normal" retirement -- by a laughable minimum salary during the final Chelios years of the deal.

The risk the islanders took on was that DiPietro might not reach that peak, or worse-case scenario (that never happens, right?), that he would meet the peak but then suffer injury- or age-fueled decline -- which every player meets at some point -- well before the contract was up. The Islanders compensated for DiPietro's potential loss of peak-year earnings by overpaying him in the near-term and, most likely (but not certainly, when you consider Dominik Hasek then and Dwayne Roloson now), overpaying him in his declining years if he became just an average Vanbiesbrouck in his late 30s.

In short, the Islanders took on a big risk by committing to DiPietro for so long; the Devils -- had the deal been approved -- actually benefited from extending their sham commitment to Kovalchuk for so long.

A Different Kind of Madness

I've said a hundred times that a 15-year deal with a goalie was a foolish risk, even if you're securing a "face" of the franchise. But if you want to take that risk -- if you have a crystal ball that says this man will continue his ascent to the #1 position and stay there through his late 30s -- then $67.5 million is hardly a ridiculous amount for 15 years of #1 goalie earnings, given the environment and direction of salaries at the time.

But that's the thing: There was no cap benefit to the Islanders if DiPietro retired early. They do not save on the average annual cap hit, hence whether he retires at 31 or 40, the cap hit for the years he played -- I use "played" loosely, given the last two seasons -- is the same as the average annual salary he earned in those years.

There are arguments that teams should be allowed to include declining "tails" at the end of stars' long-term contracts. (After all, how much is Doug Weight worth today versus what he was worth 10 years ago, when his salary hit $9 million?) There are arguments that teams and players should be allowed to bet on diminishing, but still playable, years at the end of their careers -- and even take the cap benefit that comes with signing on for that now.

But this envelope-pushing, cap-circumventing game that carried from Miikka Kipursoff's extension all the way through Hossa and to Kovalchuk's theater of the absurd 17-year deal? It didn't start with the DiPietro deal. No, that was a madness of a different kind.

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Rick Dipietro

does anyone know if he will be able to go this season or is he pretty much washed up at a very young age… i guess im asking for links to any stories recntly written about his recovery

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by BRIANMULHALL on Jul 22, 2010 6:59 AM EDT reply actions  

It’s about what you’d expect from Garth. They expect him to be ready for the season.

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by Mark D on Jul 22, 2010 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Audio interviews

1-on-1s…it’s the same. Snow is saying the rehab is good and they expect him to skate in August, and play this season. Here’s 7th Woman’s recent interview with Snow, answering whether they’ll sign another goalie:

"No. At this point in time Rick has been doing great in his rehab and his training. He’s scheduled to start on the ice in the next few weeks here. Between Rick and Dwayne Roloson, we feel that is a strength in our organization. We also have Nathan Lawson, who we extended a qualifying offer and signed him shortly after. He’s coming off another excellent season.

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by Dominik on Jul 22, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

who was the 1st to get a 10 year contract? any sport

Did Ewing have a long contract with the Knicks? A-rod came after yashin or before?

by Rickfansince76 on Jul 22, 2010 7:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Rodriguez became a free agent after the 2000 season. He eventually signed with the Texas Rangers, who had fallen to last in their division in 2000. The contract he signed was at the time the most lucrative contract in sports history: a 10-year deal worth $252 million.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_sports_contracts

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by Mark D on Jul 22, 2010 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Magic Johnson had some sort of absurd deal in the early-mid 80s.

In the USFL, I think Steve Young may have had a $40 million deal that was stretched over a decade. And in the NFL, before A-Rod signed his mega deal, I think in their prime QBs were signing 10 year deals (Peyton Manning).

I dont think anyone’s brought up the NFL in the Kovalchuk talk where contracts are exceptionally rare to get paid out to term. I actually dont have a problem with the Kovalchuk deal, it may be against the spirit of the cap, but then again if you’re a Devils fan you can pretty confident in going out to buy a Kovalchuk jersey and know there’s a very remote chance that he’ll ever leave NJ. Certainly not something you can say about any current or former Isles of the past 20-plus years, pre-spring 2008 DiPietro withstanding.

by Danny332 on Jul 22, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Franchise player for life

That brings up an interesting point. Seems like the NFL’s non-guaranteed contract circus almost guarantees every Emmitt, Dick and Harry is going to spend some “Willie Mays years” elsewhere at the end. Whereas the NBA has that (probably too loose) clause that enables the home team to offer more.

I do think there should be some consideration in the NHL to making it easier to lock up franchise stars for the duration — as you noted, that sort of scenario certainly resonates with fans. Whether that involves silly cap-friendly years, and whether Ilya should qualify having only been in New Jersey for a few months, I’m not so sure.

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by Dominik on Jul 22, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gretzky: 21 years(ish)

Gretzky’s deal with Edmonton right before they moved from the WHA was a “lifetime personal services” contract, whose duration was actually a 21 years (hence, taking #99 through 1999) but included an option/renegotiation window about 8-10 years into it — something that paved the way for his trade, incidentally. Part of the reason was to make sure the NHL didn’t “steal” Gretzky for another team during the merger, since the NHL was basically intent on taking the WHA 4 into the league only on distressed terms.

A great, great write-up about the night it was signed is over at Copper & Blue. If this at all interests you, go read that piece ASAP. Bruce over there is a treasure of historic information about the Oil and WHA/NHL hockey in general.

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by Dominik on Jul 22, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

winfield

steinbrenner gave him a 10 year deal worth a Whopping 25 million(i think) in the early 80s. mr.may was the first and not coincidentally was the last for a long time

by Lakewood Islander on Jul 22, 2010 11:35 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Wasn’t Dave Winfield’s contract from the Yankees 10 year 20 million? That was the longest at the time (I think). 1980?

by IslipTom91 on Jul 22, 2010 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

No DiPietro cap hit if he retires

What you wrote is not correct, DiPietro decides to retire, he does not get paid, his cap hit is over because the contract is concluded.

If he cannot play due to injury, insurance pays and cap hit is eliminated.

by New York Islander Fan Central on Jul 22, 2010 5:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Come again?
What you wrote is not correct

Can you point out where it says the Islanders still suffer from his cap hit if he retires? Because that is certainly not the intent of the post.

Lighthouse Hockey: Adapting forecasts to the disturbance known as Nino.

by Dominik on Jul 22, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is *this* the section you're referring to?
But that’s the thing: There was no cap benefit to the Islanders if DiPietro retired early. They do not save on the average annual cap hit, hence whether he retires at 31 or 40, the cap hit for the years he played — I use “played” loosely, given the last two seasons — is the same as the average annual salary he earned in those years.

If that’s the part you’re referring to, please understand that the “no cap benefit if DiPietro retires early” is intended as a comparison to the rejected Kovalchuk deal, where if he retires before the contract is up, the Devils would still benefit by having a lower cap hit per year than his total compensation divided by the number of years played.

In contrast, no matter when DiPietro retires, his annual cap hit for the years he played is real — it is the same as his total compensation divided by the number of years played.

Lighthouse Hockey: Adapting forecasts to the disturbance known as Nino.

by Dominik on Jul 22, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never mind NYIFC

Aaaaand two weeks later, while still neglecting to answer this question, I see you joined Blueshirt Banter just to troll and take an innocent summer post into your own off-topic agenda land, prompting an immediate banning.

Meanwhile, you come here and tell me “what you wrote is not correct” without actually, you know, pointing out something that is not correct. Then not returning to even address your erroneous accusation.

Drive-by crap like this is not appreciated.

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by Dominik on Aug 4, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look at the bashing Rick is getting

over on TSN right now. Its really pissing me off.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jul 22, 2010 6:30 PM EDT reply actions  

That’s the reason I try not to read comments from tsn.ca. Unfortunately, they say the most ridiculous things, and there is entirely too much bashing of non-Canadians. It is very annoying. Did they bring up the fact that Rick is American, yet? Because if they haven’t, then I’m sure they will eventually. It’s kind of sad, but, you can always not read it, I guess. That would be my recommendation.

by billymac23 on Jul 22, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty much

Open comments at any mainstream site are basically a recipe for disaster and for appeal to the lowest common denominator. Not just in sports — everything.

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by Dominik on Jul 23, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

TSN

Is generally about the best sports channel out there if you want hockey related stories, with Dreger and Big Head Bob being the best at digging up info. There is, however, a reason we Canucks outside of Ontario call it the Toronto Sports Network. Their forums are incredibly Leafs heavy, as you can probably tell by the poor deluded souls who believe their team is winning the Cup every year. Those are most of your idiots.

by NSOsFan on Jul 24, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

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