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Can The Islanders Go *Really* Retro?

[Editor's note from Dom: Web and I were talking about when to post this long-held jersey dream of his. Obviously The Ilya Rejection is the hot topic of the day, but for something a little different -- and for those who couldn't care less about the Ilya problem -- here is a fun topic to chew...]

If you were a football fan last season, you got to see some pretty old uniforms get the mothballs dusted off them and put onto the field. Now that Islanders are back to their more traditional look for their uniforms, they have an opening for a third jersey.

Instead of trying something new, the Islanders should look to the past. I've mentioned them a few times before, but the New York Americans would make a great third jersey or a jersey that comes out once or twice a year against the Rangers. The NHL appears to still own the rights to the uniforms, name and logo, as they have appeared in the NHL video games. Although the Islanders have no tie to the Americans, who last played in the 1940s, the spiritual ties are there.

Owned by Bill Dwyer, the Americans were the first team to play in NYC and MSG. Although they struggled in their first season, they were a success at the box office. This led MSG management to renege on a promise to Dwyer not to bring in a second team. Not only that, but the Americans' lease was written in such a way that Dwyer had to support MSG's attempt to form a new team: the Rangers...

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Dwyer was a bootlegger, and the end of Prohibition meant he was struggling to make ends meet. Eventually the NHL took ownership of the team and Coach Red Dutton took over the day-to-day running of the team. Canada's entry into World War II and the Americans' financial struggles led Dutton to suspend the team and become President of the NHL.

While Dutton had every intention of bringing back the Americans after the war, MSG stopped the attempt by Dutton by claiming they wanted a second team. At the time Dutton had already set up a site and financial backers in Brooklyn for the team. Dutton infamously stormed out of the meeting, claiming that the Rangers wouldn't win another championship during his lifetime.

Red Dutton passed in 1987, a member of the Hockey Hall of Fame.

 

Pros: Three Reasons to Wear the Jerseys

  1. The Islanders 3rd jerseys and attempts to "update" their jersey have been disliked by the fanbase. You really can't go wrong with a retro at this point, and the Americans just have a great classic look to them.
  2. If the league owns the rights to the jersey and logo, they might as well use them.
  3. How great would the Americans jersey go with Rick DiPietro's USA-themed helmets?

Cons: Three Reasons Not to Wear the Jerseys

  1. There is no tie between the Americans and Islanders. Not only that but there was 30 years between the Americans folding and the Islanders creation.
  2. Let's just give up on the idea of the Islanders having a 3rd jersey we don't hate.
  3. Having a 3rd jersey just for one or two games with the Rangers sounds silly.
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Should the Islanders use the Americans' Jersey?
Yes, anything to infuriate the Rangers
152 votes
No, no ties to the current organaztion
263 votes

415 votes | Poll has closed

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Yes if they join Hov in Brooklyn. Legacy night for a couple games.

That or bring back the Whale for the Conn. fans

by Danny332 on Jul 21, 2010 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I think the rights to the Whalers Jersey/Logo are a complete mess though.

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by Mark D on Jul 21, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want to say that the rights to the Whalers jersey and logo are owned by the City of Hartford, CT.

by Dougtone on Jul 21, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about the old Long Island Ducks jerseys? That’d be kind of interesting. I guess it would depend on who owns the rights to all the old EHL logos, though.

by tm on Jul 21, 2010 2:12 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

Rec’d

From Fred to Jeff
and O to Jerr
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by StorkFan on Jul 21, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is a much more appropriate "retro"

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jul 22, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jul 22, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Things that entertained me

This detail:

Dutton infamously stormed out of the meeting, claiming that the Rangers wouldn’t win another championship during his lifetime. … Red Dutton passed in 1987.
Prescient man, Dutton. Then also, this:

How great would the Americans jersey go with Rick DiPietro’s USA-themed helmets?

This made me picture a “Bring Out The Rick Day,” where the special retro jersey nights would coincide with the night that they run DP out there once a season for the rest of his contract.

In any case, if the Canadiens can bust out 10 jersey’s for their centennial, I think an honoring of the Americans (and NHL hockey in New York) would be in order.

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by Dominik on Jul 21, 2010 2:18 PM EDT reply actions  

For Rick Night it has to be one of the early unis with the stars. BTW, I was looking at their earlier uniforms and just noticed this quip on the details for the 26-27 jersey

and the team experimented with putting players’ last names on the backs of the jerseys. The latter was a flop with fans, and the practice was shelved for the next four decades.

So we’re only 25 years from the return of the Glow Puck.

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by Mark D on Jul 21, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's leave the jerseys alone for more than 2 seasons...

Can’t we just be the Islanders? I’d like to see our uniforms be consistent. It’s bad enough already that I have to root for the Mets, who honor the Dodgers more than their own history and who wear 19 different uniform combinations based on a color that isn’t even an official team color.

by Dorfer on Jul 21, 2010 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I'll take it your not a fan of the Mercury Mets?

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by Mark D on Jul 21, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope they do leave the uni alone for a while

However, if they ever do one-offs, this is one I could get into. Otherwise, I fear what might happen the next time they go to the 3rd-jersey well.

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by Dominik on Jul 21, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I vote no

The thing is, the Americans are a red/white/blue team… those are the Rangers’ colors, not the Isles. I like the LI Ducks idea, with the lighthouse shoulder patch used as the crest, and the current crest used as a small shoulder patch.

This also is a minor quibble, but when I think of the Amerks, I think of Rochester in the AHL. They’ve been around forever. I wouldn’t tread on their toes even if they are an affiliate. Professional courtesy, you know?

My latest contract is for 31 years.

by mikb on Jul 21, 2010 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

I second that emotion

It would look like we’re trying to copy the Rags. Certainly not as a third jersey, but if it was used only once as a tribute (especially if they move to Brooklyn), I don’t see a problem with it.

Other than that, red is no substitute for orange.

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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Jul 21, 2010 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Imagery

By the way, this is what they looked like, for any who don’t know (hence the NYR and Rochester concerns):

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by Dominik on Jul 21, 2010 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Hate the sweaters but love...

The idea of a designated DP night. The players numbers would all be changed so that they represeneted how much players were being paid per game played to that point in the season (DP would likely need a MUCH smaller font size).

by Styxcanada on Jul 21, 2010 5:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Alt Jersey

Keep the original because everyone liked that jersey and never thought it should be changed. Make a new jersey for a third….. Something like this? I think everyone liked the lighthouse symbol but it never went anywhere.

by AndyPopp on Jul 21, 2010 7:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m all for this, even before LHH, I always loved the Lighthouse imagery for the Islanders. But as I mentioned before, I grew up with a painting my Grandmother made of the Montauk Lighthouse being one of the main paintings in my house in the dining room.

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by Mark D on Jul 21, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do like the Americans jersey .....

but its like the Mets and the Brooklyn Dodgers thing. You don’t need to identify with the Dodgers. They constantly do the Jackie Robinson thing and the team store is filled with Dodger blue, is this what will happen with the Islanders? We came in the league and won four cups. We have an identity!!! However we have been a troubled franchise with bad management and horrible luck. If Darcy Regier would have taken over as GM instead of Don Juan and Wang bought the team straight from Pickett we could be in the same company as the “oh so great Devils” in regards to Stanley Cups. Let the Americans have the historical place in history they hold and lets make the last 17 years history and support our team.

by AndyPopp on Jul 21, 2010 7:23 PM EDT reply actions  

If the Wilpons ever buy the Islanders, I wouldn’t be surprised to see ceremonies honoring the Brooklyn Dodgers before Islanders games.

That being said, the Mets can honor the history of the National League in New York (and not forget the Giants either), but in the end, the Mets and the Islanders should both be honoring their own teams’ histories. The Islanders do a great job of honoring the glory days, at least.

by Dougtone on Jul 21, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not really in favor of using the NY/Brooklyn Americans jersey as a third jersey. Their history and the Islanders’ history really have little, if any connection. Also, not many people are going to have much first hand recollection of the New York Americans, so there wouldn’t be a personal connection, as opposed to say, if the Minnesota Wild wanted to sport North Stars jerseys for a night.

As for third jerseys and regular jerseys, I think the Islanders will just sport their own “retro” jerseys for some time now, and probably not deal with a third jersey for a little while. While I would like to see a lighthouse rising from a silhouette of Long Island for a third jersey, I can’t see the Isles experimenting much more with third jerseys, unless they alternate color schemes with the classic Islanders logo.

by Dougtone on Jul 21, 2010 8:25 PM EDT reply actions  

how about these?

in case you can’t read them, they say, Stanley Cupcakes – get it?

still trying to figure out the meaning of "want you, cuckoo, cannonball" ... ... ... 17 years later...

by bob l on Jul 22, 2010 9:21 AM EDT reply actions  

worst. idea. ever.

almost as bad as how often the jets wear titans jerseys. how about the game the jets played against the titans only the JETS were the titans and the titans were the OILERS and it was 2009!! absurdity!!

by orngfan on Jul 22, 2010 10:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Surprisingly I agree, I was quite happy to hear that the Jets were hanging up the Titans uniforms. I wouldn’t mind though if the Jets occasionally brought out the 80s uniform I grew up with.

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by Mark D on Jul 22, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

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