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Summer Reset: Revisiting Islanders news

David Toews hopes they don't make goalies as big as Mikko Koskinen in the Western League.

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David Toews hopes they don't make goalies as big as Mikko Koskinen in the Western League.

Mr. Lebowski: Are you employed, sir?
The Dude: Employed?
Mr. Lebowski: You don't go out looking for a job dressed like
that? On a weekday?
The Dude: Is this a... uh, what day is this?

If you're like me, you may be traveling here and there in mid-summer, or simply spending way too many days -- nah, just enough, actually -- lounging by the pool with a White Russian (whether liquid or human is per individual taste). Fortunately we have a ribald old band of hockey obsessives here chewing over any scrap of Islanders news, both real and contrived. Some recent fodder that may or may not have already been discussed in the threads:

Fourth-line Faceoffs: The Lightning re-signed ex-Isle Nate Thompson for $625,000 (per CapGeek), avoiding arbitration. Raw Charge reacts as Scott Gordon might: Praising his faceoffs and defensive game. I mention this non-event only because it will be interesting to see what ex-Bolt Zenon Konopka brings to the NYI, as the two teams essentially chose one over the other, for better or worse. CapGeek puts Konopka's salary at $600k. (Woo, savings!) (Woo, checking-line forward debates!)

Savings? Like We Need Savings?! As of today, CapGeek lists the Islanders cap hit at about $36.5 million, which would be about $7 million short of the cap floor. That's without counting Matt Moulson's pending deal (whether via arbitration or otherwise), Doug Weight's pending deal (likely filled with bonuses that increase its cap hit), plus either Nathan Lawson's $500k or another healthy goalie's salary. Remove Micheal Haley's $500k from that (assuming he starts in the AHL) and you have room for another (young?) forward or two, plus perhaps a different defenseman depending on how training camp jobs shake out.

Star-divide

Mark Gandler's Annual Alexei Yashin Propaganda: As discussed in this FanPost, Yashin's agent is again doing the annual "Oh he could so totally return to the Islanders, you have no idea" drill. As I implied in the faux dialog in the first comment on that post, I don't buy a lick of it, and I bet the reason Charles Wang is mentioned is to get people to think it might happen:

"Alexei has a great relationship with its owner. That's why if he decides to come back to the NHL, then he will first have negotiations just with [the NYI owner]."

Mention Wang, and people say "Well, I guess you never know." Mention Garth Snow and people know there is an actual NHL GM with a growing track record involved.

The Other Toews Exits North Dakota: This was a "worst-kept secret" type of deal, but David Toews is indeed leaving North Dakota for the WHL [FanShot], though where exactly has not been announced. Had he had a better 2009-10 this maybe wouldn't have happened. Of course, had he had a better year was looking to leave, you could see Garth stepping in to shepherd his development. As it is now, the younger Toews' career is at a major crossroads.

Favorite Missed Islanders Prospects: The topic of the weekend around here was your favorite missed prospects of yesteryear. You know, the guy you sold your friends on only to find him flop, hurt, traded or (in my case) never live up to the player you created on EA Sports' NHL game.

So Long, Wrecker: The Islanders have terminated Joel Rechlicz' contract, so it looks like he won't be around the Sound Tigers. Michael Fornabaio has a roundup of their new schedule implications and the various holes yet to be filled in their lineup.

Cupcakes! I didn't fancy the PR bait on this one, but plenty did. And it's summer, so why not? The Islanders new official cupcake drew predictable commentary from both The Sporting News blog and Yahoo's Puck Daddy -- which of course sparked a brief trend on Twitter, because hockey fans cannot go very long without turning any even tangentially hockey-related topic into an obsession. Plus, I mean who doesn't like cupcakes?

When Will John Tavares Peak? Fun food for thought at From The Rink: When, really, is a high-end hockey player's peak performance age? The post doesn't involve Tavares (or any Islander), but this major question, or bet, will always be a topic when considering how and when to extend players like Tavares and Kyle Okposo. Either way, Moulson should be at or entering his peak right now. (On that note, here is an nhl.com list of the top NHL regulars 21 or under, featuring two Islanders.)

Ryan Smyth's Remnants: Robert Nilsson was bought out, but Ryan O'Marra gets another year with the Oil. Alex Plante, the 1st-round selection from 2007, is entering the second year of his entry-level deal.

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nice to see Nate signed

he played hard for the Isles, i am glad he has found a place in the NHL. He might not of had th ebest numbers, but he played hard and that goes a long way

by Rickfansince76 on Jul 19, 2010 7:51 AM EDT reply actions  

(On that note, here is an nhl.com list of the top NHL regulars 21 or under, featuring two Islanders.)

wow, obviously knew who one of them was going to be, the 2nd one was a nice surprise to see him get some recognition from nhl.com

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by WebBard on Jul 19, 2010 8:07 AM EDT reply actions  

If Nino and or Petrov make the team, they can probably easily close the cap gap.

by Judgegavel on Jul 19, 2010 9:16 AM EDT reply actions  

specifically Nino, who between bonus and salary should command well over 1.5 mil..

by Judgegavel on Jul 19, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think JT’s cap hit was over 3 last year, so you’re probably underestimating it even…

still trying to figure out the meaning of "want you, cuckoo, cannonball" ... ... ... 17 years later...

by bob l on Jul 19, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea it’s probably more like mid to high 2’s

by Judgegavel on Jul 19, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I actually think this is even more incentive for Nino to make the team...

even for just the 10 games because I think then the bonus still counts toward the cap.

by Judgegavel on Jul 19, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nine games, not ten.

And I dont seen how nine games would help that situation at all. Cap hits change based on the amount of money left to pay them and do not remain when the player is gone.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jul 19, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right but if he plays in the 9 games he has to have a contract signed...

so the bonus (not salary) whither he sticks or not is applied (fully I thought) to this year. If he’s just sent back to juniors he doesn’t have to sign a contract yet, right, or Does he have to have a contract to be in camp?

by Judgegavel on Jul 19, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Doms very good at that. :)

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jul 19, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Im sure it would be just like JTs

But he would have to stick with the team for that to even be a factor

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jul 19, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

But less, he wasn’t the #1 overall pick.

by Judgegavel on Jul 19, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, JT’s is the max $900k salary + potential bonuses that brings the hit (for floor purposes) up to $3.75M. As a #5 pick Nino’s should be little lower than that. But of course they shouldn’t bank on that slot unless they’re damn certain they want him on the team, like they were with JT. Fun little fantasy game there.

Lighthouse Hockey: Adapting forecasts to the disturbance known as Nino.

by Dominik on Jul 19, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

But does the bonus count toward the cap this year if he plays in the 9 games?

by Judgegavel on Jul 19, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not if he’s returned to juniors, no.

Lighthouse Hockey: Adapting forecasts to the disturbance known as Nino.

by Dominik on Jul 19, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here's the key clause
50.9 (h): Entry Level Signing, Roster and Reporting Bonuses. If a Player is in the Minor Leagues but has an NHL SPC which includes an Entry Level Signing Bonus, Roster Bonus, or Reporting Bonus, such Bonuses shall not count toward the Actual and Averaged Club Salary for such Player’s NHL Club, nor shall such Bonus count toward the Players’ Share. However, while such Player is in the NHL, the Entry Level Signing Bonus, Roster Bonus or Reporting Bonus shall count toward the Actual and Averaged Club Salary for such Player’s NHL Club, calculated daily, and such Bonuses shall count toward the Players’ Share.

While a player is on the NHL roster, his averaged salary and bonuses (averaged out over the life of the contract) count against the team’s actual cap figure, which is calculated daily. So if Hamonic were up for 20 games, his compensation over those 20 games would count, but once he is reassigned, it stops adding to the daily total.

One thing I’ve never seen is how guys who are returned to juniors are accounted for. (i.e. “What are they being paid?”). I assume it’s their signing bonus that gives them some spending money to buy a new car, and if so that bonus — averaged — applies to the cap that year even if they’re playing in juniors. At least that’s what it looks like because there is a clause that explains if you return a guy to juniors, his bonus is then averaged out over four years (that year plus the three years of his ELC) instead of just three if he made the team right away.

Sorry if this all sounds convoluted, but … you know … freaking CBA.

Lighthouse Hockey: Adapting forecasts to the disturbance known as Nino.

by Dominik on Jul 19, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

But of course they shouldn’t bank on that slot unless they’re damn certain they want him on the team, like they were with JT.

But that very well might be the case.

by Judgegavel on Jul 19, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's why this is a fun parlor game for me

I don’t expect Snow to tell us — or Nino, even — what his plans are, so it’s fun trying to guess from the various tea leaves.

Lighthouse Hockey: Adapting forecasts to the disturbance known as Nino.

by Dominik on Jul 19, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely...

I have a feeling there will be a lot of speculating during camp, and over reaction to every word said, but we wont honestly know till the end. But I do have to believe they are leaning one way or the other to start.

by Judgegavel on Jul 19, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

P.S. on Yashin

Chesnokov, the guy who did the interview with Gandler (and who sort of kind of elaborated on Petrov to Botta for IPB) Tweets that Yashin has re-signed with SKA.

I’m shocked, just SHOCKED I tell you… I look forward to hearing from Mr. Gandler again next summer.

Lighthouse Hockey: Adapting forecasts to the disturbance known as Nino.

by Dominik on Jul 19, 2010 11:22 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I look forward to hearing from Mr. Gandler again next summer.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jul 19, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kovi makes a deal with the Devil(s)

Tried to make this a Fan Shot, but was having technical difficulties. As reported by Puck Daddy…

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Kovalchuk-s-decision-He-s-a-New-Jersey-Devil-ag;ylt=AnA.10XMyUIOn.zBDuX0SZ.ppJ4?urn=nhl,252872

Time to start Frolov-gazing?

Warning: This post may cause Yashin Rashes, Spano Spasms, and Dingle Milburys.

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Jul 19, 2010 12:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I give up...

Just go to Yahoo’s site. Sorry.

Warning: This post may cause Yashin Rashes, Spano Spasms, and Dingle Milburys.

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Jul 19, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Retribution..............RETRIBUTION!!!!

Gotta deal with the devil
Cause you know that it’s real
Done a deal with the devil
From a heart made of steel

We hit at night
You’re in our sight
Then we can feel
What we’ve been waiting for
Let me hear you roar

Upon this stage
We let it rage
And for a time we leave the world behind
To be with our own kind

Gotta deal with the devil
Cause you know that it’s real
Done a deal with the devil
From a heart made of steel

(LOVE it!)

Sigh…
I have to say, I like the Judas Priest song quoted above a helluva lot more than this signing.
The Atlantic division is pissing me off.
Every frickin year now one of the AD teams is bringing in another top player, leading the eastern conference, in the cup finals, winning the cup, etc.
I mean come ON, its not fair. (stomps feet)

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jul 19, 2010 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  


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New York Islanders Roster

# Pos. DOB W H
Josh Bailey 12 C 10/2/1989 188 6-1
Blake Comeau 57 RW 2/18/1986 207 6-1
Rick DiPietro 39 G 9/19/1981 210 6-1
Mark Eaton 0 D 5/6/1977 204 6-2
Mark Flood 4 D 9/29/1984 190 6-1
Bruno Gervais 8 D 10/3/1984 205 6-1
Trevor Gillies 14 LW 1/30/1979 215 6-3
Michael Haley 59 C 3/30/1986 202 5-11
Jack Hillen 38 D 1/24/1986 200 5-11
Trent Hunter 7 RW 7/5/1980 210 6-3
Milan Jurcina 0 D 6/7/1983 236 6-4
Anton Klementyev 48 D 3/25/1990 198 6-1
Dustin Kohn 56 D 2/2/1987 200 6-2
Zenon Konopka 0 C 1/2/1981 213 6-1
Andrew MacDonald 47 D 9/7/1986 188 6-1
Matt Martin 46 LW 3/8/1989 192 6-2
Radek Martinek 24 D 8/31/1976 203 6-1
Matt Moulson 26 LW 11/1/1983 206 6-1
Frans Nielsen 51 C 4/24/1984 172 5-11
Kyle Okposo 21 RW 4/16/1988 200 6-1
P.A. Parenteau 0 LW 3/24/1983 198 6-0
Joel Rechlicz 40 RW 6/14/1987 220 6-4
Dylan Reese 42 D 8/29/1984 195 6-0
Dwayne Roloson 30 G 10/12/1969 180 6-1
Rob Schremp 13 C 7/1/1986 200 5-11
Jon Sim 16 LW 9/29/1977 195 5-10
Mark Streit 2 D 12/11/1977 197 6-0
John Tavares 91 C 9/20/1990 195 6-0
Doug Weight 93 C 1/21/1971 196 5-11
James Wisniewski 0 D 2/21/1984 207 6-0

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