Yashin?
by Bonecrusher12 on Jul 17, 2010 11:07 AM EDT
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Here's a bit of a surprise: The New York Islanders are interested in Alexei Yashin, his agent tells Yahoo Sports' Dmitry Chesnokov.
Yashin hasn't played in the NHL since the 2006-07 season. Instead, he's played in Russia where he tallied 64 points in 56 games for SKA St. Petersburg, the same team that sign Evgeni Nabokov and the team that is bidding for Ilya Kovalchuk.
Yashin is 36, so he has a bit of gas left in the tank. And his agent says, if he comes back, Yashin will talk to the Isles first. This might indicate that he could end up elsewhere.
In his last season in the NHL, with the Isles, Yashin tallied 50 points in 58 games.
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Gandler's annual fishing expedition
Seems like Mark Gandler (Yashin’s agent) is making this an annual rite now, drumming up interest by claiming to the media that there’s interest from the Islanders. Last year (or the year before) he told reporters he “had talks” with Snow, which I chalked up to:
Gandler: {dials Snow}
Snow: Hello?
Gandler: Garth! It’s Mark. I wanted to talk about Yashin. He’s a free agent, you know.
Snow: So?
Gandler: Wanna make an offer?
Snow: No. {click}
_ _ _ _15 seconds later
Gandler: {dials lonely beat reporter} Hey, just so you know, I’ve had talks with the Islanders about Yashin returning.
Beat Reporter: Thanks! It’s summer, and I needed some cheap BS to fill space.
Gandler: Don’t say I never throw you a bone.
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by Dominik on Jul 17, 2010 12:40 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Perfect
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that is what an agent should do
if he wants to get hi sclient back in the nhl make a buzz, maybe someone bites and in pro sports a veteran like Yashin, someone may take a stab at him for a couple million. and that could lead to a couple of seasons of moving around the league. hey how many more years does he have to make $$$ oof Yashin
by Rickfansince76 on Jul 18, 2010 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions
But the problem is that Yashin’s KHL club is waiting to see if they can sign Kovy before they sign Yashin. They can’t sign both of them. So Yashin’s agent is trying to force his KHL club’s hand by saying Yashin can go to the NHL.
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Yashin has a KHL deal now
So the salt isnt even necessary, just throw it in the “it was ridiculous and thankfully didnt happen, anyway” pile. :)
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 19, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
As long as Wang is in charge the possibility remains Yashin could come back especially if the Isles continue to get snubbed by FA’s. That being said it would be a awful move to bring him back and make the Isles look real silly to the hockey world.
I think its pretty obvious now that Garth is in charge.
Charles even specifically said so recently.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 17, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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by Thaddeus Ballpheasant on Jul 17, 2010 4:50 PM EDT reply actions
????
Are you saying NOOOO to the made-pretend idea of Yashin coming back, or NOOOO that it isnt going to happen? Or is it something else?
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jul 17, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
No
to any mention of Yashin.
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by Thaddeus Ballpheasant on Jul 19, 2010 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I think I am the only person who wouldn’t mind. Let’s just put our cards on the table. NOBODY on this team has put up his point production since he left. NOBODY. He made far too much money before, that was the issue. Yes, I know we are still paying his buyout, but that’s besides the point, we can’t do anything about that now. I wouldn’t be upset if he came back from a hockey standpoint. It would be a PR blunder if they brought him back; but strictly from a hockey perspective, he would improve this team.
He’s a locker room cancer, we’re loaded with youth at Center, and really just no.
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you sure?
Have you been in the locker room to see this guy tearing it apart? I think that is just ignorant to say… not that you are ignorant but thats just the overhyped Anti-Yashin propaganda that has been crammed down our throats.
Everyone wantd to keep saying how he has no heart. Anyone remmember when he got his arm sliced by a skate in that game vs Philly?? He came back extremely quick from an injury that everyone on the team said was the most horrifying thing they had ever seen and he produced better than anyone else on the team still.
His production was always fine it just wasn’t worth what we were paying him and it absolutely wasn’t worth giving up Chara but thats why we hate millbury you can’t blame him for playing well and accepting the fact that he was given a ridiculous contract.
My final point being if we bring Kirill Petrov to the big club without Kabanov Yash would be the communication gap and the fact that he captained the Russian team for years I would assume Petrov would show some respect and listen to what he would have to say…. As far as people saying Petrov would then adopt Yashins Lazy one-way play thats absurd. The kid will play his game to the best of his abilities no matter who his mentor is. If he is a two way player it will shine through. If not then its not Yash’s fault.
Id give him a one year flyer to take up some cap space and help Petrov along… plus as i’ve seen on some good teams you can actually scratch players if they aren’t contributing.
We could bring in half of the Russian Junior team, and if none of them spoke English we still wouldn’t bring in Yashin.
There’s no reason to take a roster spot from anyone who might make the team and replace them with Yashin.
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Way underestimating Hunter’s defensive ability.
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Ya another 3rd/4th line checking forward. This team is insanely short on those! But players who can score goals, we have an abundance of those….
We have Nielsen and Hunter and then? If you appreciate what Nielsen can do, Hunter, while missing 20 games, was his linemate over 25% of the time. You need someone on the team that can shut down the top guys and that’s going to be Nielsen and Hunter.
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Really? That’s your argument? If you are so concerned about 3rd line wingers who can play defense put Martin in that role. I am more concerned about being able to score goals. And Hunter had one good year. And as you alluded to in your last comment, Hunter is always hurt.
Yea honestly I am so sick of seeing so many people on here saying you need defensive line 3 forward types to shut down other teams top lines as for why “Hunts” sticks on this team… Fact is solid teams put their line #1 against the other teams #1 line because you put your best against their best and try to outdue them all the way down to line 3 and 4.
We only brand him as a defensive dynamo because most people here have a soft spot for him after his rookie season. Fact is watching him play his skating ability makes him much more of a defensive liability than a difference maker like a John Madden or a Dean Mccammond (both of whom i would take in a heartbeat over Hunter). People like to talk about going beyond the numbers well watching him play is as frustrating as it gets.
I would much rather see a line 3 of Martin Neilsen Yashin than Hunter anyday because you put 1 great grinder(martin) with a solid two-way playmaker (frans) and a bonafide sniper (yash) as opposed to an overated wannabe sniper and a half ass grinder (hunter). Anyone who disagrees with the half ass remark take a look at last two seasons gametape of his hits. They were all well after the fact , not forceful enough to frighten jason blake , and his recovery from his hits are so slow that when he actually tries to forecheck his only hope at defensive responsibility is making it to the bench before the other team finishes on the fast break. You are allowed to get some goals out of your bottom two lines after all.
It's more nuanced than that
Yea honestly I am so sick of seeing so many people on here saying you need defensive line 3 forward types to shut down other teams top lines as for why "Hunts" sticks on this team … Fact is solid teams put their line #1 against the other teams #1 line because you put your best against their best
Sure, some teams do, some teams don’t. It depends on whether their “#1 line” can handle the defensive side. And it depends on their depth. (Some teams can afford to isolate their most talented forwards against the opposition’s weaker players, and some teams like Anaheim tend to throw power vs. power because they have a Getzlaf.)
Have you looked at the stats for the Islanders’ #1 line? They’re kids. Still learning a tough game in the toughest league. Outside of Moulson (who is a seasoned pro by comparison), no one showed an ability on the team to both produce offense and handle difficult opposition. That’s something they hopefully will learn.
The point isn’t that Hunter is some 3rd-line defensive god, it’s that from the pool of players they have he’s a winger who can be trusted defensively. He can handle the assignment without feeling the pressure to cheat and try to nab goals. Check BenHasna’s post on Hunter and Nielsen together.
In contrast, check Ben’s post on Tavares’ up-and-down performance. It’s well and good to say Hunter doesn’t score as much nor hit as much anymore, but the fact is that’s not the role he’s deployed in, and while the Islanders are still grooming the kids for bigger two-way responsibility he’s one of the better wingers they have for this misunderstood role.
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by Dominik on Jul 19, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Does anyone remember
If there were ever complaints from teammates about Yashin anywhere? I always heard of these looked room cancer issues, but I never remember any direct quotes or confrontations with teammates or remember him being a problem with our coaching staff. NOT saying I want him back, just curious. But this story seems to be in the “recurring theme” realm the same way the DiPietro hip/3 headed goalie monster thing is. Same issue, no outcome. You have to wonder why he wouldn’t try to come back and get traded to a “contender” since he’s 36. Really kind of points toward money as opposed to championship.
by Keith Quinn on Jul 18, 2010 10:11 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
No one would have traded for him with the contract he had.
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I remember, with conditions
Yeah, it’s funny, a long-running meme with no official narrative. I don’t remember anyone saying something on the record — obviously, that is a massive, dangerous locker room “no-no” that carries its own risk and breaks the traditional “keep it in the room” code (and maybe risks getting you on the owner’s bad side?).
But there were plenty of suggestions, back when there was actually more than one paper covering the team, that players (and staff) were frustrated with his sometimes inconsistent effort. When players are frustrated and reporters are around enough, they’ll let them in on enough of that to convey their frustration without putting their own name to it and causing a major rift through the media.
Granted, some of that was probably unfair: Maybe some guys were jealous of his contract, others xenophobic or just unable to understand a quiet Russian, and as others have noted, sometimes he played through injury, and he was never a vocal complainer or one to whine about his own hardship.
To me that all gets to the beyond-the-numbers, mental side of the game: Whether real or just perceived, if your teammates think you aren’t bringing it every night, if they think you’re the ordained leader and yet they have doubts whether you’ll show up when the going gets tough, that perception creates a problem.
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just say no to...
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by bob l on Jul 19, 2010 9:06 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
*knocked off my chair*
Thank you Bob, thank you very much for that. Ah, the Onion. Archaeologists will one day find us to have been a violent people fond of trash TV, but man did we produce some inspired satire.
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