Islanders Bits: Pumping prospects, shrinking the Lighthouse Project
by Dominik on Jul 12, 2010 11:49 AM EDT
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It's mid-July, which is largely a news dead zone for NHL teams, certainly for those not refuting Kovalchuk reports on a twice-weekly basis. But for teams with prospect camps, the youth orientation camp marks some of their best opportunities to drum up happy vibes ink, even if it's largely in-house ink.
Except when the Town that holds zoning keys to the arena you called home for four Cups decides now is finally the time for its Lighthouse Project counterproposal, which Kate Murray took great pains to tell Newsday [sub.], "It would be really inaccurate if you said this is a starting point. Within it, we're flexible. But these are serious numbers that were scientifically arrived at."
"Serious numbers!" "Scientifically arrived at!" ... Definitely putting those phrases in my handbook.
This website you're reading was named not for a real estate project, but rather for the iconic feature of the Islanders' old shoulder patch and the (is)land they call home. (We couldn't use the actual team name in the URL for obvious reasons.) So though the name may lead Google searchers to think otherwise, this site is oriented toward on-the-ice stuff far more than Long Island politics. We'll relay, discuss and link to Lighthouse Project news, but we also have a bias: We prefer hockey. Even in July.
A good college buddy of mine had a great line whenever we carried the usual college-boy buddy harassment -- a 24-hour activity -- to dinnertime: "Don't f#$% with my happy time!" I think of that line any time on my vacation, or in a happy place, and someone wants to mess with my peace.
So reactions to the Town of Hempstead -- very important reactions -- will bounce around for days. Charles Wang and County Executive Ed Mangano released a joint statement calling ToH's strip mall-sized proposal "economically unviable for both the developer and owner of the site."
But no politics is going to f#$% with my July happy hockey time.
With that in mind, here is a round-up of coverage on different Islanders prospects who showed up at camp. It's stuff to read now when not turning your reluctant eyes to Kate Murray's 50% off Lighthouse Project counterproposal. It's stuff to collect here for revisiting at training camp, to sort what was legit evaluation and what just prospect mini-camp hype:
- Shameless plug: WebBard's interview with 2010 pick Jason Clark [Lighhouse Hockey]
- Could Calvin De Haan -- out for six months with major shoulder surgery -- really make the opening night roster? [nhl.com]
- The hammer to De Haan's paintbrush, Travis Hamonic sure thinks he himself is ready for the show. [Islanders]
- NEW: Corey Trivino knows this is a big year for him at BU.
- Were we pumping prospects? Matt Martin has first-year jitters and skating concerns out of the way. [Islanders]
- 7th Woman has Gordon quotes and more on the camp. [7th Woman]
- Botta's video collage and 1-on-1's with Nino and Hamonic, all in one place. [Islanders Point Blank]
- Great Yes Islanders! video interviews with fans on the prospect camp via 7th Woman [7th Woman]
Alright, fine: a few more Lighthouse Project links: Nick's initial reaction is here -- making the point at how stupid cynical it was for TOH to tease the announcement on a Sunday night before a 11 a.m. presser. He is around, so expect more both from his site and Twitter feed. ... Dee's anticipation is here. ... TMC's initial reaction is here.
Figure on so much more to come -- and as always feel free to discuss the development/Lighthouse angle here. But forgive me for still thinking about the Islanders prospects, about prospects for John Tavares' year two, about the Euros in camp, and about whether the youngsters achieved their pre-camp homework assignments. That's where my head is. As far as July goes, that's where my happy time takes place.
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The SUV have hit Murray instead of Witt? I mean I don’t think that’s alot to ask is it? They look to be in about the same weight class.
Alright, I have to admit that I’m kinda hoping the Ilses leave most of the kids in the minors as I think it slows their development to have them brought up before they are ready. I’m every bit as excited about our prospects as anyone else but still don’t think we are a legit playoff team yet. I am still skeptical about De Haan until he puts on alot more muscle and rushing him is highly likely to just lead to a series of injuries that could derail what might be a promising career.
Kate Murray, SUV bait, eh?
On the rushing kids, I think it’s case by case, but I’m definitely in the conservative camp in terms of when it’s time to throw a kid into the NHL fold. And your point about De Haan’s frame and strength is big for me, too. As the featured blueline prospect, it’s a long-term risk if he’s not ready for the physical side and has a setback.
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all pro forma
Murray and her clowns are positioing themselves as are Wang and his associates for the move to Queens. Murray will say, “Well, we TRIED to meet Wang’s needs. It’s not our fault that he is so greedy and cares so little for the people of Nassau county.”
Wang and his people will say, “We really tried to work with the ToH, but they simply would not take our proposal seriously. I am sorry for the people of Nassau, but we simply did not have a willing partner in the ToH.”
Mangano: “Can’t we all just get along? (looks around for article of clothing to cover butt)”
Wang and his people will not say that. If they move out of that area, he will not longer have his people.
Why would Rechler still be part of it if they are no longer including his property or anyhting to do with him?
Charles Wang DOES NOT want to leave Nassau. He also is not looking to sell the team.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jul 12, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Rechler is a partner
not one of his people. I really don’t think he is going to have a choice because I do not see ToH coming up with anything that will be even remotely acceptable to him. If he could get an acceptable counter, yes, I am sure he would love to stay here. But that simply is not going to happen. I think everyone really knew that last year. This is just confirming the obvious. Which is why I say pro forma.
I am perfectly aware of that. If “his people” = the LH development group, it wouldnt BE the same people anymore if they did this elsewhere.
Honestly, BC- do you think I dont know who these people even are? Ive met them, talked to them, attended every LH meeting I could, come on.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 12, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
One thing I know for a fact
Is that the fans who at every single turn say “This is it” do not know what they are talking about.
Frankly, you are not in a position to tell me what is and is not going to happen.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jul 12, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, then what will happen? Wang doesn’t want to sell the team, he doesn’t want to leave Nassau County, but he will not get what he wants from the Town of Hempstead. He has been stonewalled on this for how many years now? What’s the solution? Keep the crappy arena, bring the team to the cap floor every year, and keep hemorrhaging money?
Eventually, push will come to shove, and Wang will have to poop or get off the pot. Murray has put the ball in his court. If he stays, he will only get approval for her crappy and ‘unprofitable’ vision. This gives Murray, just like BC and everyone else says, the chance to say, ‘We tried to keep the Islanders here, but they were too greedy.’ It makes her look like the good guy and it villifies Wang. Wang will be forced to do something he doesn’t want to do, because Murray is forcing his hand.
I just don’t see a way this ends and the Isles stay in Uniondale. Obviously, my first choice would be for some type of agreement. Again, since I don’t see that happening, I would like to see them go to Queens so they are still local.
Queens makes the most sense
A new rena on Mets land not requiring new zoning or community approval, and some partnership with the Wilpons in the arena and the Willits Point development plans, which becomes much more valuable with two major sports and more scheduled dates on the calendar…that has clearly become the front-runner today.
actually I can tell you what won't happen
as is painfully clear to just about everyone…Lighthouse or anything like it will not happen. I really do not believe that anything will be approved that will satisfy Wang’s vision. I also know that it will likely take at least two years to build a new arena and that 2015 is less than five years away. So, yes, this is pretty close to it because it will take some time to get approvals and whatever else is needed in Uniondale, Queens or wherever. It took just about five years from first proposals to ribbon cutting on The Pru. So, yes, I can say this is it. Wang has pretty much run out of time.
Have fun playing with your crystal ball.
I guess we are all a big pile of assholes doing all this work when we could have just talked to a psychic like you and saved the trouble huh?
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jul 12, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
lovely language
I don’t need a crystal ball. I just need to know what has happened, look at how long it will likely take to build a new arena and look at a calendar
how many a$$holes are on this ship?
Scaramouch, Scaramouch, will you do the Fandango ?
-sorry, that pic just screams Boh/Rhap to me
by bob l on Jul 12, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Perfect!
Must rec, must rec.
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I don’t think anyone is saying you have done bad work. I think we are saying that Charles Wang bought the Islanders with a brillaint idea in mind, to reviatlize the area of Uniondale around the Coliseum by building a new arena for his team and fixing up the outlying area. In the process, Mr. Wang will also be making a little money, which is good for him and for us Islander fans because we get a new building. Everyone seems to win here.
However, for whatever reason, the Town of Hempstead will not play ball. Wang said himself that the new idea from the ToH is ‘economically unviable’ for him.
If the Isles want a new arena anytime in the near future, they need to have this project approved now. However, with this recent development, the Isles will have to do a counter-proposal, which will probably take another year to get approved/disapproved, then have to do more environmental studies, etc. You’re looking at another 3-4 years before they even get a shovel in the ground, which means the lease goes up, the Isles have no building, and it’s just that much longer until this whole process is done.
Again, as Wang wants it, this project will not get approved. If his idea will not be approved, and he won’t move the team or sell it, then what does he do next? That’s what we all want to know.
Actually
Mangano wants to build the Islanders an Arena and attach the Shinnecock Casino. Mangano is hugely behind the Casino, and if Wang goes along with the Casino (Don’t the Pens also have a casino attached?) I can see the project getting pushed through fast.
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That's an interesting new wrinkle
Botta makes it sound like that totally new arena (finally!) and casino proposal from Mangano wouldn’t be at the mercy of TOH zoning approval. Not sure how that works, but it sends things in a new direction if Wang is at all interested in that.
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The Residential Units were supposed to help the commercial side of things stay afloat. If the Casino is a part of the development it should draw enough people in to keep the commercial development afloat one would think.
I think they wouldn’t be at the mercy of TOH since it’s a Tribe.
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nope, not if it’s thru the tribe, it’s a loophole you can literally drive a truck thru, a construction truck
Scaramouch, Scaramouch, will you do the Fandango ?
-sorry, that pic just screams Boh/Rhap to me
Pretty much, the tribe is considered a Sovereign Nation
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yes, but this isn't tribal land
If a PRC owned firm wanted to build on that land, they would surely need permits. And the PRC is as sovereign a nation as there is.
FYI
All over Nasasu and Suffolk was their tribal land in the first place, so giving them a piece of any part of Nassau or Suffolk would MAKE it their tribal land.
BC, why cant you just admit that YOU do not know everything that is going on and therefore cannot make these know-it-all projections about what definitely is and is not going to happen?
Please look back at the piles of comments you have made on this topic… if you look at the “Let me tell you exactly whats what” attitude you have been posting with in regard to this topic, maybe you will see why it is so frustrating from my POV.
Wang and Rechler and Mangano and Murray cant say definitively what is and isnt going to happen- and believe me, neither can you.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jul 13, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I can definitively read a calendar
we are less than a year away from our first batch of prime RFAs having their contracts end. We are less than five years away from the lease on NVMC ending. It will take at least three years to get funding and build on the Shea site or really anywhere. The window is closing and Lighthouse is dead. Those things are obvious enough to anyone looking at the problem. If this DOES go on for much longer, it will be a disaster for this franchise.
and we are talking about the Shinnecock
If memory serves, THEIR tribal land was originally out in Suffolk and not in central Nassau.
and no, I have checked
Precisely NONE of Nassau and only the south fork in Suffolk were part of their ancient tribal lands. If you have ever made the drive as I have, you will know that the south fork is an awfully long way from Uniondale. Now can some muckety muck decide to give them that land? Maybe. But it would not be historically accurate.
WTH do you want me to tell you? Im telling you the legality of it, youre arguing it.
You think you know everything there is to know about what is and is not going to happen regarding the LH or any other project, youre completely wrong on that, but there is obviously NO POSSIBLE WAY to get that through to you.
Continue knowing everything, and I wil converse with you regarding hockey ONLY- because there, you are a much more interesting person to talk to. When it comes to talking about this subject, there IS no discussion- just you telling everyone how you know it all. Im done trying here.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 13, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
don't know everything
do know SOME things and it is pretty clear that time has about run out. There is nothing to indicate that ToH will ever approve anything like Wang’s LH idea. The joint statement by Mangano and LH makes it clear that what ToH is willing to approve isn’t acceptable.
Can a deal with the Shinnecock nation and whoever else might be involved be worked out before 2015 or—more to the point—before our RFAs decide to bolt? I don’t know. I am sure that connecting the Islanders with a casino would be very unappealing to me. I am fairly confident that if Wang decided to move to Queens, Wilpon and the city would be far more cooperative than the ToH has been. I am also sure that time is running out.
before our RFAs decide to bolt?
? huh?
but RFA’s have no real negotiating power, so they can’t ‘bolt’
they can go to arbitration, they can sign an offer sheet that the isles can match, or they can sit out the year/find another league
Scaramouch, Scaramouch, will you do the Fandango ?
-sorry, that pic just screams Boh/Rhap to me
OR they could go play in Europe? I hear Omsk is nice in February.
There are few things in this world I enjoy more than the English getting beaten like a rented mule.
by David Hanssen on Jul 13, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly what is your point? where did he have power in that struggle… feel free to check this archive from PD about the route he took to refresh your memory and then remember we wont have a “cap problem” most likely
still trying to figure out the meaning of "want you, cuckoo, cannonball" ... ... ... 17 years later...
my point is that an RFA
can refuse to play and insist on being traded. My recollection of the Kessel deal was that he rejected one offer after another from Boston and I really do not believe that he would have signed with them no matter what was offered. Kyle may feel a deeper connection because he was named A and neither he or Josh or Blake will command the market that Kessel did. What happens, however, if the following year things are still unresolved, the team still hasn’t made the playoffs, and JT decides he’s had enough? I can guarantee you that there will be at least 4-5 teams ready to sign him to an offer sheet. You asked about my point. That would be it.
I can guarantee you that there will be at least 4-5 teams ready to sign him to an offer sheet.
Thats some guarantee since there has been a grand total of one offer sheet in the entire NHL this season. You actually “guarantee” there will be 5 for the Isles alone?
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jul 16, 2010 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions
How many players comparable to JT have been in a situation where they might be given an offer sheet this year?
4-5 might be hyperbole, but you can be sure that if that did happen a number of teams would jump at the chance to sign him to one—starting with the elder Ontario franchise and Mr. Truculence.
Right. Whether or not our paths still cross at that time, when the 5 offer sheets you “guarantee” do not come to fruition, please think of me. :)
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 16, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
anyone under contract can refuse to play and insist on a trade, it doesn’t mean they’ll be accommodated…
still trying to figure out the meaning of "want you, cuckoo, cannonball" ... ... ... 17 years later...
so you are telling me that if JT did that the Isles would let him sit out the season?
In that case, we disagree.
How can we not...
Be excited about a new building whatever it’s attached to. GIven that it’s going to be the Shineycock casino would the attached rink be called Tarnished Balls place?
didnt the orig plans call for renovation, not demolition and reconstruction of the barn? that wouldn’t take 5 years, the other stuff maybe, but not the actual rink, at least that’s how i remember it
Scaramouch, Scaramouch, will you do the Fandango ?
-sorry, that pic just screams Boh/Rhap to me
a major renovation probably takes at least a year…more probably because the Isles will be using it 7-8 months of the year. So I am guessing that it would be at least two years…and that is ignoring the fact that is obvious to just about everyone: the Lighthouse is dead as a doornail. Certainly Wang would be foolish to act on the assumption that it is going to happen and that he will not need to pursue a new arena in Queens—which would certainly take pretty near 5 years….unless Wilpon and co can work some shortcuts in the process which I doubt.
actually
if Wilpon builds on the old Shea site, he may not need all of the approvals. He might still need funding though, so maybe 3 years. That would give Wang a little wiggle room if it looks like the county can make something happen. It does seem pretty dubious though and I am sure that is why Wang has been publicly making overtures with Wilpon.
the old shea site was supposed to become parking i thought
Scaramouch, Scaramouch, will you do the Fandango ?
-sorry, that pic just screams Boh/Rhap to me
Correct, it already IS a parking lot.
I was taking an at-bat and running to 1st on the old field in the parking lot last month.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jul 13, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Who was playing Bill Buckner at 1st?
There are few things in this world I enjoy more than the English getting beaten like a rented mule.
by David Hanssen on Jul 13, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
HA!
OMG, I am SO going to have my Red Sox loving friend stand over at 1st base when I take her there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 13, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
My father and uncle were at game 6 in 1986. They were in the upper deck and decided they were going to beat the traffic but started to hear the cheers as the rally began and wound up watching the whole thing unfold from right behind home plate.
There are few things in this world I enjoy more than the English getting beaten like a rented mule.
by David Hanssen on Jul 13, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I had heard a suggestion that Wilpon would build an arena and a garage on the site
wouldn’t need any long drawn out process for that. It would be mostly a matter of getting funding and I am sure Bloomberg would do all he could to facilitate.
Aside from all the permits and approvals it only takes like 2 years to build an arena
The Barclay Center broke ground March 2010, and is expected to be open for the start of the 2012 season.
Although financing and approval is another story...
but thing move much quicker in NYC, especially with the Mayor and Wilpons behind it.
kind of what I said
the Pru took two years to build…but the legal and political preliminaries—at least those of public record—took three years before groundbreaking could start. In the case of the Shea site, the legal stuff would probably not be a very big deal as it is on Wilpon’s site. Fundraising would take a while. A year might be reasonable.
What makes this all really sad
Is that the whole Lighthouse BS comes after the Islanders just had a hugely successful event in attracting 5000 fans to the arena in July to pretty much watch a bunch of High School, College and Minor League players play a scrimmage game.
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Exactly what I was thinking. I guess it’s better than happening during the camp — at least the youngsters didn’t have to deal with this circus while they were going through orientation.
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She's waiting to get paid
It’s the only rational explaination. She is waiting for a discrete envelope of money.
You don’t think that’s already been done a dozen plus times already?
There are few things in this world I enjoy more than the English getting beaten like a rented mule.
by David Hanssen on Jul 12, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
it was never VIABLE
The apartment/condo part is laughable. Wang wanted some low/middle income housing but mostly higher end housing. Who is going to pay over 750K for a condo or co-op in the Uniondale school district? Even middle class families are not going to shell out 400K for a condo in that district. Plus, feel free to to see mlsli.com and type in Uniondale/Roosevelt/Hempstead (the three surrounding districts), there are plenty of homes for sale
The idea of making it a business district is feasible, but not in this economy. the amount of open and available space to rent is at an all time high. You would need to have a anchor company and with the recent consolidation of financial companies, who is looking for such a large space in Uniondale? Plus, it has greater risk to the owner (Wang and Partner) when space doesn’t get leased.
The need for shopping is another problem. Less than one mile away, Roosevelt Field is alive and well. Is there a need for shopping? Maybe a Wal mart or a Stop and Shop but no one is going to shop for high end at the site.
The Islanders have been sold the last 4 times for the same reason, a Real Estate deal. This is the same as before, only with a guy who makes believes he cares
In my opinion, this will never get done.
at some level, I believe Wang DOES care
He says whack things about wishing he’d never bought the Isles, but I do not think that is for real—just dumb. Owning the Islanders is part of his trying to be a good corporate citizen and is an important part of his persona. I think he does really want to make the Islanders work in Uniondale…but it is becoming painfully obvious that it will never happen on any terms Wang will be able to accept…and the time to get something done before 2015 is running out rather quickly.
In my opinion, this will never get done.
Are you referring to the Wang/Rechler proposal alone, or the half-off TOH proposal as well?
Lighthouse Hockey: "A f#$%ing haven of reason compared to practically every other Islanders site." --TMC
Are you referring to the Wang/Rechler proposal alone, or the half-off TOH proposal as well?
Both proposals
The Indian casino has a better shot of being built
Agreed, and Mangano wants to combine the Indian Casino with the Lighthouse Project.
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Looking at this from the standpoint of the renovation if it happened
the only comparable project I am aware of is the los angeles memorial sports arena renovation. Have been unable to find out how long that took and have an email into Helene Elliott to see if she knows. They apparently kept the place open during the renovation, so it would be a reasonable comparison.
Helene didn't directly answer my question but
she did mention the current renovation project at MSG of which I was unaware. I gather that it has already begun, but that the lion’s share of the work will be done over the 2011, 2012, and 2013 summers. So maybe it would take three years to renovate NVMC into LH—-if it ever happened.
MSG’s renovation is also on a level they’d probably never see at the Coliseum, and at a ridiculous cost well over $500 million (perhaps $600, 700, 800) at last report.
Lighthouse Hockey: "A f#$%ing haven of reason compared to practically every other Islanders site." --TMC
have there been estimates on the Lighthouse arena made public?
in any event, I was more focused on length than cost
Right, I just think it’s almost apples and oranges since MSG/Dolanistan can afford to spare no dollar in the effort.
I haven’t seen any estimate that separated out the cost of Coliseum renovation, but the estimate for doing it concurrent to a major tenant was indeed 2-4 years to completion. The thing is once a deal like that were sealed, the 2015 date wouldn’t really be a factor anymore: You’d have your deal, your renovation in progress, and a new lease.
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fair point
then its just a question of him running out of other options in the next year or so and even more continued dithering might lead our first batch of RFAs to revolt next summer.
Its easy for us fans to ignore the financial aspects of this, but don’t. Wang isn’t made of money and at rough estimate of ~$20 Mil a year in losses for 10 years is (conservatively) $200 mil in the red. According to Forbes, Wang is worth $890 mil. So on the conservative side, Wang has lost about 15% of his net worth on the Islanders so far. That’s insane.
There are few things in this world I enjoy more than the English getting beaten like a rented mule.
by David Hanssen on Jul 13, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I see what you did there
This is just your clever way of saying Wang is insane.
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He did keep Milbury around for 6 or 7 years.
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not ignoring it
and really it is in his interest to move forward as continued dithering will only hurt his team. I do wonder, howver, if he has really lost as much money as he has claimed or whether that is another negotiating ploy.
UGHHHHHHHHHHH
Please read up on this topic, BC!
Jeez, there is enough baseless speculation and conspiracy “evil secret plot” bullshit to choke a t-rex. Just look at the facts. Take some time to read up over on LetthereBeLighthouse. Get further informed. Please.
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 13, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
don't think I suggested an evil conspiracy
and just because something is posted on a website doesn’t make it true.
*pulls hair out*
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by TheMetalChick on Jul 13, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
In any event
Wang MAY have a window of 1-2 years to get something started in time for 2015, but does that make sense? I seem to recall reading that one of the Four Horsemen we wanted to sign at the start of free agency indicated through his agent that the uncertain status of the LH and the franchise in general was a key factor in turning Garth down.
He is probably not the first and he may well not be the last. What is worse, JT and our other premium buidling blocks may decide the same thing and that would be a disaster from which this franchise would not likely recover. I should add that prospective season ticket buyers also attend to PR debacles like the China thing and the Jankowski thing as well as the LH albatross and make their decisions as well.
This cannot continue. It will be the final ruination of this franchise if it does. Wang MUST take positive steps to resolve this over the next year PRIOR to July when it will be time to re-sign Josh, Kyle, Blake, and Jack and hopefully get one or more prime quality FAs. I understand that owning the Islanders is important to Wang. We will see in the next year HOW important it is.
Serious Numbers
They are numbers that are easily shifted with the introduction of a gaggle of dead presidents. They are about as scientific as
I get married and Kate Murray just about steals all the joy from Mudville. I'm glad the day before her nonsense was without equal.
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Kelly Labrock in Weird Science.
I get married and Kate Murray just about steals all the joy from Mudville. I'm glad the day before her nonsense was without equal.
by metalcoconut on Jul 12, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice.
This reference shall not go unappreciated.
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Fri 02/24 | 7:00 PM EST |
Last 5 Games
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Winnipeg
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Tue 02/14 | W 3 - 1 |
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Florida
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Sun 02/12 | L 1 - 4 |
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Los Angeles
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Sat 02/11 | OT - W 2 - 1 |
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Montreal
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Thu 02/09 | L 2 - 4 |
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Philadelphia
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Tue 02/07 | SO - W 1 - 0 |
Atlantic Standings
| GP | W | L | OTL | PT | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
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New York Rangers
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55 | 37 | 13 | 5 | 79 |
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Philadelphia
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56 | 31 | 18 | 7 | 69 |
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Pittsburgh
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56 | 32 | 19 | 5 | 69 |
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New Jersey
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56 | 32 | 20 | 4 | 68 |
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New York Islanders
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56 | 24 | 24 | 8 | 56 |
(updated 2.15.2012 at 8:59 AM EST)
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