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What's the best Islanders draft class pre-'79?

My previous two posts on the Best and Worst Islanders Draft Classes have brought up some wonderful discussions. A dark horse candidate (the 2003 draft) added late to the Worst poll nearly won. But the recent poll of the Best Islanders class post-1979 brought up discussion about the pre-'79 drafts. The seven Amateur Drafts the Islanders took part in created the basis of the team that won four straight Stanley Cups and into a fifth finals. The two highest voted drafts in this post will face the two highest voted drafts from the post-'79 draft class poll.

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For those that are wondering why the separation point in '79, the NHL went from an Amateur Draft to the modern Entry Draft. The exact wording quoted by Dominik:

In 1979, the rules were again changed allowing players who had previously played professionally to be drafted. This rule change was made to facilitate the absorption of players from the defunct World Hockey Association. Consequently, the name of the draft was changed from "NHL Amateur Draft" to "NHL Entry Draft". Beginning in 1980, any player who is between the ages of 18 and 20 is eligible to be drafted. In addition, any non-North American player over the age of 20 can be selected.

I doubt anyone would argue for the inclusion of one of the other three drafts. If you do feel strongly about one of the other drafts, I'm more then willing to hear you out. Three of these drafts gave us Hall Of Famers. Although '72 didn't have a hall member, the Islanders traded Harris (from '72) and Lewis (from '73) for Goring.

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What is the Best Islanders Draft Class pre-79?
1972 Draft (Harris, Henning, Nystrom)
6 votes
1973 Draft (Potvin and Lewis)
6 votes
1974 (Gillies and Trottier)
192 votes
1977 (Bossy and Tonelli)
100 votes

304 votes | Poll has closed

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1974. Two HOFers in Jethro and Trots is hard to beat.

Go west young man.

by David Hanssen on Jun 9, 2010 2:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

agree, it’s not often a team has two HOF’ers in the same draft.

The Islanders went from Marty McInnis and a 2nd Overall pick to Jesse Joensuu.

by Mark D on Jun 9, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I might have to do a little research and see how many other times that has happened. It’s got to be pretty rare.

Go west young man.

by David Hanssen on Jun 9, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I found something close… 2 possible Future HOFers in the 1984 draft Calgary selected Gary Roberts 12th overall and Brett Hull 117th overall. Hull is a lock, is Roberts a HOFer?

Go west young man.

by David Hanssen on Jun 9, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it’s borderline, He didn’t manage to win any individual awards during his career and only played in 2 All-Star games.

The Islanders went from Marty McInnis and a 2nd Overall pick to Jesse Joensuu.

by Mark D on Jun 9, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Montreal 1971/1980 Oilers

Guy LaFleur 1st overall, Big Bird Robinson 20th overall
6th overall Paul Coffey, 69th overall Jari Kurri

Another potential one:
Red Wings 1989, Nik Lidstrom 53rd overallm Sergei Fedorov 74th overall. Their first rounder was Mike Sillinger

Go west young man.

by David Hanssen on Jun 9, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Had a feeling one of the Oilers draft would have one.

Lidstrom and Fedorov are definitely first ballot and in. Sillinger isn’t happening though.

The Islanders went from Marty McInnis and a 2nd Overall pick to Jesse Joensuu.

by Mark D on Jun 9, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thankfully this is an Isles blog

Because if it were Puck Daddy we’d get the usual rips that Jethro wasn’t Hall-worthy. Whatever. All he did was define a position and a rare package of attributes that GMs still salivate over today.

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by Dominik on Jun 9, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ask Dave Schultz about Jethro. Single handedly ending the Broad Street Bullies is hall worthy enough for me.

Go west young man.

by David Hanssen on Jun 9, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s almost amazing that there’s only 4 Islander Players (Not counting Lafontaine) in the Hall from that period. The argument could be made for a few others.

The Islanders went from Marty McInnis and a 2nd Overall pick to Jesse Joensuu.

by Mark D on Jun 9, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was a physical force

but would he have scored anywhere near the number of points he did if he weren’t on a line with two forwards on the alltime NHL top 100? A legit question.

by BCISLEMAN on Jun 9, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

A legit question, certainly.

As is: Would his average replacement have scored as many, or protected as much? Would the team as a whole succeeded as it did? Not really fair I know, because it’s indefinable. But it’s hardly a travesty that Gillies is in the HOF.

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by Dominik on Jun 10, 2010 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Still thinking...

…I have such a soft spot for both Bossy and Tonelli, so 1977 is really pulling at me at the moment.

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by Dominik on Jun 9, 2010 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

1974...hands down!

1. Trotts can carry this year into the conversation on his own merits A SECOND ROUND HOF guy… not bad Mr. Torrey…. not bad.
2. Gilles DEFINED POWER FORWARD in the NHL. The current team (every current team) needs a Clark Gillies… but they don’t grow on trees.
3. Stefan Persson… what a HUGE contributor to Islanders’ success… 14th round… talk about a diamond in the rough. 18 teams pased on him 13 times… stubborn bastards!
4. Dave Langevin… another player the current Islanders could use. They need a little BAM BAM to go with their PEBBLES.

NHL 500... Let the Less Filling vs Tastes Great debate begin!

by JPinVA on Jun 9, 2010 6:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Persson

no matter where you’re drafted, playing in over 600 NHL games is pretty impressive, playing on four cup-winning teams more so. Take into account he was also a 14th rounder and the 214th player selected that makes it even more impressive. I was all for 74 before but reminding me of Persson put it over the top.

Go west young man.

by David Hanssen on Jun 9, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

At This Point

There wouldn’t even need to be a runoff, 74 already has more votes then either 96 or 80 from the last poll, and is only 40 votes away from having more then their combined total.

Bossy and Tonelli are a great duo to pickup, I just think that Tonelli isn’t in the hall is the difference.

The Islanders went from Marty McInnis and a 2nd Overall pick to Jesse Joensuu.

by Mark D on Jun 9, 2010 7:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Persson/ Langevin tip scales

I would have a hard time picking between Gillies/Trotts, and Bossy/Tonelli. I think Big John is highly underrated. He singe handedly kept the Dynasty alive with his “will to win” alone, scoring a late tying goal and overtime winner in a game the Isles faced elimination. But two key defencemen to the cup years tip the scales for me.

Draft Connolly, we need more offence- Don't gimme no hip.

by since70too on Jun 9, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bob Lorimer isn't mentioned

he was a very solid defenseman and he was the most important chip in the trade that brought us Pat LaFontaine. So in a way, the 1973 trade got us Denis, Butch, and Pat. Certainly it is unlikely that we would have been able to pull the trigger on those two trades without those players. 1973 is the best.

by BCISLEMAN on Jun 9, 2010 7:45 PM EDT reply actions  

1974... back on top...

Bob Lorimer is truly an important Islander… but an even more important Islander came out of the third round in 1974… Bob Bourne… and it was like Torrey drafted him, because he gave up nothing for him.
Scribble that on your white board!

NHL 500... Let the Less Filling vs Tastes Great debate begin!

by JPinVA on Jun 9, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

What was the trade for Bourne?

Draft Connolly, we need more offence- Don't gimme no hip.

by since70too on Jun 9, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bob Bourne was acquired from the KC Scouts for the rights to Larry Hornung and Bart Crashley. Hornung was in the WHA for Winnepeg at the time, never suited up for KC/Rockies/Devils. he retired before the merger. Crashley was also a WHA player but did play for the Scouts before he was traded 3 months later to the Red Wings.

Go west young man.

by David Hanssen on Jun 9, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thought this was about players the Islanders drafted

I still say you draft the consensus best Islander ever who was the foundation of the franchise and two very good defensemen who become essential pieces in the best deadline deal of all time and possibly the best draft day trade of all time….Denis, ultimately Butch and Pat…and I guess by the new rules, I can claim Gord Lane.

by BCISLEMAN on Jun 10, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly

aren’t all 4 of these better than anything the Isles have done since, with the possible exception of the LaFontaine draft? He was my all-time favorite Islander, but nobody since this core of guys has even come close to bringing the Stanley Cup back to Long Island. What an incredible stretch of drafting…

2009 Did Not Happen

by cjmulrain on Jun 9, 2010 11:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I think so. This is how I’d rank them
1 – 74
2 – 77
3 – 73
4 – 83
5 – 72
6 – 93

And then the worst draft in Islanders history (IMHO) is 2003… So three of the best six are in years ending in 3, does that mean we’re doomed in the 2013 and 2023 drafts?

R.I.P. Hans und Franz... this is the price of professionalism.

by David Hanssen on Jun 9, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think one of the problems with most of our 90s drafts and beyond is that no one stuck around other then DiPietro.

Just imagine a team anchored by Luongo, Chara, Pre-injury Berard, Jonsson, McCabe, with Palffy, Bertuzzi, Dumont, Jokinen, and countless possibilities upfront (Spezza? Gabronik? Hossa?)

The weakness of our draft classes have to do more with someone not giving the youth chances to grow, as compared to weak classes. It’s hard to say a draft class is good for you when they last one or two seasons before going elsewhere.

The Islanders went from Marty McInnis and a 2nd Overall pick to Jesse Joensuu.

by Mark D on Jun 9, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea, that's true

I guess I was thinking of it more in terms of impact on the Islanders. No doubt they drafted some talented players under that fool who now does TV, he just also foolishly traded away most of them. Ugh.

2009 Did Not Happen

by cjmulrain on Jun 10, 2010 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sad

Only one year during the 90s that the Isles did not have a top10 pick. In fact that had 12 picks in the Top 10 during the 90s – including a 2nd, 3rd, 2-4ths and 3-5ths. It took a mad evil genius to screw that up

by neologizer on Jun 10, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

We could probably do a “sad fact of the day” 365-day calendar about the 1990s. There are only so many cartoon illustrations of the mad genius you could draw up though.

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by Dominik on Jun 10, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great drafting, great luck

All 4 of these really are better. But part of it is due to the rules, the times, the circumstances. Getting Bourne via trade is an example of how the good NHL teams routinely abused the expansion teams of that era. The LaFontaine pick (thanks, Rockies!). Montreal practically built its last dynasty off of valuing picks and taking advantage of expansion teams, who were screwed by the early expansion draft rules.

Torrey and Jimmy D deserve major credit for seeing the value of the draft back then. The ‘90s were still a wild West of sorts, but now it’s inexcusable for a team not to realize the value of the draft, so I think we’re about to see (or are already in) an age of relative draft parity. Certain teams will luck out a little more, but overall there should be few clear winners and losers like there were 40 years ago.

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by Dominik on Jun 10, 2010 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Deal with the Devil?

When you think about it the core of the Isles dynasty was really made in 3 amature drafts. Taking Potvin 1st overall in 73 wasn’t really rocket science but the 74 and 77’ draft picking has to be among if not, the best in NHL history. Basically the Isles end up with the 2 best HOF players of the draft in 74 and arguably in 1977…. How the hell do they do that and then draft like they did for the next 30 years…..

by neologizer on Jun 10, 2010 2:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Expansion

The Islanders went from Marty McInnis and a 2nd Overall pick to Jesse Joensuu.

by Mark D on Jun 10, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Taking Potvin wasn't rocket science

But lots of guys would have taken that walk with Sam Pollock and ended up with a boatload of so-so players for the rights to the first pick. What a scary thought: a Montreal defensive corps of Potvin, Robinson, Savard, Lapointe and Laperriere with Dryden in goal.

From Fred to Jeff
and O to Jerr
Funny things
Are everywhere

- Dr. Seuss (if he were a Mets fan)

by StorkFan on Jun 10, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh, this is true. Glad Torrey resisted whatever spell Pollock used on expansion GMs.

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by Dominik on Jun 11, 2010 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Deal with Devil….

21 teams took inferior players before the Isles took Trots.
3 teams took inferior players before the Isles took Gillies.
14 teams took inferior players before the Isles took Bossy.

In fact outta the amateur drafts from 74-77 I would challenge someone to mention a better player let along 3.

by neologizer on Jun 10, 2010 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

You may be right. Boy 1975 was mostly a wasteland.

Having watched and loved both, I always wondered if Brian Sutter could have done what Clark Gillies did if they swapped places. Sutter was good with Federko, but except for one year (Wayne Babych before injuries) never had much on the right wing side.

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by Dominik on Jun 10, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Age Change?

Don’t know if we can confirm this but I think in ‘75 they changed the draft age, so that year was just left overs who didn’t get drafted the year before.

Draft Connolly, we need more offence- Don't gimme no hip.

by since70too on Jun 10, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

The rep on Bossy before the draft

was that he was strictly a one way player, and that’s why a lot of teams passed on him.

From Fred to Jeff
and O to Jerr
Funny things
Are everywhere

- Dr. Seuss (if he were a Mets fan)

by StorkFan on Jun 10, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn’t Al Arbour have a famous line regarding why to take Bossy….. something along the lines of “easier to teach a scorer to check then teach a checker to score”

by neologizer on Jun 10, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think so

I know he pushed for the sniper, and that quote sounds about right.

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by Dominik on Jun 11, 2010 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah the comparison is tough when you have 2 other HOFers on your line. I sometimes wonder if the Mad Mike years were a certain dark lords payback for giving us the Trio Grande

by neologizer on Jun 10, 2010 3:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Haha!

If so … was it worth it? Even though I was only a pup and not even aware until 1982, I tend to think yes.

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by Dominik on Jun 10, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey, at least you had 82 and 83. I was two months old the last time the Isles won a cup.

R.I.P. Hans und Franz... this is the price of professionalism.

by David Hanssen on Jun 10, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

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