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Islanders Esprit de Corps: Something special here?

It’s one of the best teams I’ve ever played on. There’s a lot of youth and enthusiasm and energy every night.  There wasn’t a bump in the road. The moment I walked in I felt like I was part of the team and obviously the longer I stayed, the more comfortable I felt. We had some incredible ties and it’s a great mixture of veterans and youth.

>>Dylan Reese, discussing his post-deadline initiation to the Islanders

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As for the topic of this post: The official website's "Show Stoppers" series on different Islanders' first NHL games continues to be fantastic. Dylan Reese's, posted yesterday, is no exception. He goes into all the details of his crazy tour after the deadline trade, the one game in Bridgeport, the call-up the next day, and returning to the AHL for the Sound Tiger playoffs.

But the quote I'm seizing on is where he describes (the first of two times) the young, enthusiastic and tight-knit group he joined, and what -- if anything -- that says about these Islanders.

Star-divide

Now, you can look at that one of two ways: It's standard "one game at a time" fare from the athlete cliche handbook -- particularly from a rookie just glad to be there. Or, maybe there's a bit of there there. I call it out only because I've seen similar quotes enough times lately, from enough Islanders players, to start to wonder if they do have a special group emerging. If maybe the club's focus on character prospects is starting to have tangible results.

Are the Islanders building not just a group that has a shot at contending a few years down the line, but a group whose cohesion, once they get there, will help them push the final inch for each other to win those important battles?

Or is this just the naive innocence of youth, before the money and the inevitable family add divisive variables? And even if it's not, isn't it subject to change via roster turnover each year -- the elusive "chemistry"?

First, to be clear, I'm a believer that good players win, average players go home. No amount of "group spirit" can Halak a team all the way to the Cup. That said, we know the character flaws of talented players can undermine a team. The playoffs in particular create pressure situations that can make talented players perform poorly -- not just during the game, but in the aftermath in terms of players' psychological response to adversity.

So I keep hearing this suggestion that the Isles have an enthusiastic and tight group, and I don't know how much to read into it. But I do think about what, in this nebulous department, the Islanders had going for them in 2009-10:

It's natural for a young group of guys in this profession to get along. But when I keep hearing that guys like Reese -- who wasn't even part of the organization two days before his sudden trade and call-up -- feel right at home right away, I confess that my jaded soul does start dreaming that the character focus is paying off. They certainly made Rob Schremp, who had a mixed reputation coming in, feel welcome and comfortable.

It's a question worth pondering.

In some ways, this is a great time to be following the Islanders. I can't make that statement without acknowledging the many uncertainties surrounding the franchise, but consider this:

  • The team's best players are only getting better, and they're growing up before our eyes;
  • The GM is following a careful plan;
  • Expectations are still low, so there is greater room to achieve and succeed and feel like progress is in the air;
  • We're still in the phase of innocence, before contending teams' fans get frustrated that a talented team keeps knocking at the door without getting in.

I tend to think about this stuff because I know that even if things proceed according to plan over the next three-four years, the playoffs are still a roulette and playoff disappointments lead people to burn the house down. I'm not looking forward to that time when fans want to burn down the house that JT and KO and Bails built.

Just two months ago, it looked like the Flyers might not make the playoffs amid season-long whispers of locker room dissension. There were strong hints a pretty loaded team (except in goal) would be blown up this summer. They squeaked into the dance via shootout. Now, they're Eastern Conference playoff champs two wins away from their first Stanley Cup in 35 years. Their path to the Cup final opened up wide, and they've played tough against the best team in the West.

The Isles should be so lucky sometime in the next decade. When they get there, I hope that team character is still around to help.

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Do you buy into this idea at all? If you do, does it make a difference? If you don't, do you suspect such comments are just young players being awed by making it to the show, with the nice buildings and the fancy hotels?

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It’s interesting, if you look at last season we had a lot of unknowns on offense but what should have been a solid Vet D. Now we pretty much know what we have on offense (and if we can get more then 2 players hot at the same time we can be dangerous) it might be a good time to go with a younger defense.

Of our 10 players who were 30+ four of them were Dmen (Streit, Martinek, Witt, Sutton) Going into this season the only definite of that group is Streit. I think going with a younger D this year and seeing what we have is a good move. Rather find out now if someone can make it or not in the NHL as compared to finding out in a few seasons. I suspect along the same lines that the FA Snow picks up will be a younger player.

The Islanders went from Marty McInnis and a 2nd Overall pick to Jesse Joensuu.

by Mark D on Jun 9, 2010 7:09 AM EDT reply actions  

something special

Yes, Dom. something very special. This is a carefully built group that will one day win for each other. Each piece has to fit perfectly. it’s not an easy task. But they are getting closer.

I am sad I won’t be able to get to the SB meet up tonight. It’s my husband’s birthday. he’d REALLY kill me if I dumb him for hockey stuff in the middle of June too!

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by 7th Woman on Jun 9, 2010 7:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Ha, yes husband’s b-day — I’m thinking you made the right choice.

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by Dominik on Jun 9, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's the real deal - I can FEEL it......

…..not at all surprised by Dylan’s comments – just very gratified! I’ve had the feeling since a year ago at this time that a corner was about to be turned (JT is, admittedly, a VERY big reason for it, but perhaps unlike previous post-Cup Islander teams, this one is indeed building upon that feeling and it’s absolutely carried over to the fans – DESPITE a good deal of uncertainty as to where the team will be playing come 2016…..

……also, while on the subject of meet-ups, wanted to pass along that I’ve posted a notice to FanPost about a low-key after-Party gathering at Social(s?) on the 25th; I, The Metal Chick and a couple of her close friends will be getting together for some karaoke and a little drinking – anyone from this site and their friends is more than welcome to join us, so I hope you’ll stop by – if nothing else, I can regale you with some impassioned singing:)

by ogam5 on Jun 9, 2010 9:00 AM EDT reply actions  

That sounds like fun.

I wish I was back in NY! Perhaps I will be soon.

Sending the Isles to China was Wang's vision of making Strange Brew 2: Stranger Brew.

by metalcoconut on Jun 9, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really sorry I'll miss it

Our family plans took on a life of their own before I could steer everyone around the Draft Day date…

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by Dominik on Jun 9, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Same here, I got tickets to the Mets vs. Twins game that night that were a birthday gift so there’s no getting out of that.

Go west young man.

by David Hanssen on Jun 9, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

i honestly don’t think team chemistry is all that important. There are scores of teams that succeeded even though they didn’t get along. While team chemistry is all well and good, it means nothing if the team doesn’t win. Honestly I’d rather have a team like the ’86 Mets with Kieth Hernandez and Darryl Strawberry getting in fistfights and wins the championship than a close-knit team that misses the playoffs for yet another year.

That being said, I do believe that the core of this Isles group is somewhat close, you get that when you have a bunch of young guys coming up at relatively the same time. Or at least you get the illusion of it. Remember when we had both Campoli and Gervais on the blueline, it was always thought that they were really close and good friends. Then Camps got traded and we found out that just wasn’t true.

Go west young man.

by David Hanssen on Jun 9, 2010 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Campoli and Gervais — that’s a good example, kind of why I’m always a little reserved when broaching this topic.

It can also be like the first year of college or something similar: People who gel in the beginning change and drift into new interests. I am starting to believe that there are some solid young characters in this squad though. That never hurts.

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by Dominik on Jun 9, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

So true...

It was very uncomfortable to watch when Hernandez would be at first and holding his shoulder, as if to tell Straw to keep his shoulder in against the lefty… cause strawberry would look back at him and you could almost read his mind, “you ****ing narciisitic ****sucker, why don’t you go have a beer in the clubhouse while the rest of the team wins this champinship” (not that darryl knew what narcisistic meant….
…and later they’d go do lines together while Dykstra experimented with some new shit he bought from his “personal trainer”…. and Wally Backman was spittin chaw on everybody’s new shoes… What a team.
If you read Power on Ice, there weren’t too many players in love with Potvin… but they eventually made him the captain because he BROUGHT IT… and he brought it when it counted.

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by JPinVA on Jun 9, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can we have Reese talk to our FA's for us?

Doug Weight has to be a big part of that in the locker room. It has to feel good to know that a team with a positive atmosphere is seeking you out. It also has to feel good to know that the prosposed team has a strong group of younger players to help compliment your efforts. Can we throw a giant mural of Wang’s vision up in front of the NVMC in case any of the FA’s come to visit?

Sending the Isles to China was Wang's vision of making Strange Brew 2: Stranger Brew.

by metalcoconut on Jun 9, 2010 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Chuck Zedong
Can we throw a giant mural of Wang’s vision up in front of the NVMC in case any of the FA’s come to visit?

I don’t know what good this is gonna do…

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by JPinVA on Jun 9, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice one JP

Ok, you got me there and especially after the cancelled China trip. Well played. Wang has enough money to afford a giant mural of what he wants to do up on all sides of the Colliseum. I say he does it to just to piss of Murray and the ToH. Come on how funny would that be to see a bunch of fans going to a home opener and entering through a giant picture of what you want the place to look like.

Sending the Isles to China was Wang's vision of making Strange Brew 2: Stranger Brew.

by metalcoconut on Jun 9, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

The real winner...

SMG, who haven’t put a fresh coat of paint on the place since 1983.
I don’t really think Murray and the TOH give a rats tail about what Charles wants to see. The objective side of me says that they are mostly correct in not wanting to extend what has by most accounts been a flop. There most likely will be at least one other 18K seat concert venue on the island (BKLYN, QUEENS, NASSAU or SUFFOLK)… and it will be built near mass transit. Why extend that (and I love my memories from the NVMC save one) pimple on hempstead’s ass. They do, however, need to do something with that land, and if Wang can divorce the team from the land, then yeah, LIGHTHOUSE. If not, I really don’t want to se 30 more years of “I’m not making any money with the team”.
So… paint the colley, and show the fans (and prospective UFAs) the great arena the Wilpons are gonna build with NYC money in 2015.
that’s probably not gonna happen either, so show the UFA’s the reciept from the plumber who fixed the leak in 2007.

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by JPinVA on Jun 9, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

This whole line of thinking

So many possibilities!

The mural idea, pissing off Kate, a free paintjob for SMG … oh man.

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by Dominik on Jun 9, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting Question

The modern professional sports franchise is a unique dynamic. It’s 99% transient, yet we always speak of “chemistry”. Every sport consists of a number of INDIVIDUALS. 40 years ago (before free agency) the key was the TEAM… now it’s building a core, and supporting that core.
In 2001 I remember reading that the atmosphere in the locker room was the best it had been in forever. Nothing but joy and love… blah blah blah… but it appears that locker room was divided and that divide plus inept upper management cost Peter Laviolette his job
So… who cares if they can play xBox together without getting into a fistfight. I’d like to see more of what Guerin brought to the locker room. The guy always seemed to be happy to be alive, and when somebody took advantage of a teammate the BIG BROTHER in him came out. He picked up checks… absorbed the new guys into the culture, and showed nothing less than professionalism on the ice. I’m so glad we got a 4th rounder for that…. but we still have Tambellini.
If we go through the year and there are no incidents like when (I really hate drudging this up again, but it’s one of the moments this season that troubles me about their future) Okposo skated past a crawling bloodied Tavares to celebrate his goal…. then I’ll be all warm and fuzzy about the happiness in the room.
That’s why Martin’s progression is absolutely necessary, and Gillies needs to be on the fringe. We need more of what Hunter brought when Frans took it, and Bergie brought against buffalo… what Morency brought that day against Phaneuff….

They need to play more like BROTHERS.
This is a picture of two different Islander teams…
1. Before Ted Nolan. Bouchard was getting beaten like a pinata and had to take an ass kicking himself to try to make it stop. After Ted Nolan Gervais decided he didn’t need Avery whispering “your vagina smells like pan fritte” in his ear every time he skated by, so he had to take matters into his own hands.
2. During Ted Nolan. (and I can’t find htis on YouTube) In Drew Fata’s first NHL game Rupp or clarkson decided they were going to welcome him to the NHL… until Chris Simon showed up to ruin their (whichever one it was) plans. We need more of THAT… and not by Tim Jackman… “hey don’t beat the shit out of him, beat the shit out of me”… that’s noble… but when they get finished with jackman they just beat the crap out of Tavares anyway.

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by JPinVA on Jun 9, 2010 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Brothers is a good analogy

It’s a weird dynamic to try to get a handle on, particularly as you say in modern sports. Statheads get annoyed with any references to what they will usually call “pop psychology,” but there is a difference between sportswriter/commentator cliches and the very real mental/psychological aspects that influence athletic performance. Players are not robots that fill out numbers on a spreadsheet, and a major part of sports is the uncomfortable tests that require moving the body past physical pain and/or exhaustion. Moving past those obstacles requires motivation, whether it be for your walk year contract or for the “brother” you’ve fought with all season long.

On Okposo/Tavares: To my memory, I’ve never been sold on your read of that incident, and I’m glad you posted the video, because I’m still not convinced. Your read might be right, but on the video it’s hardly conclusive. By the time Okposo is skating by, Tavares is already up and skating back to the bench (about 0:21 into that clip). At that point, Okposo looks to me like a fatigued player at the end of his shift (he’s not smiling or riding the pony) who might even only then be discovering what happened to his teammate. During play, he’s out of the zone when he swoops in to gather the puck and create a scoring chance. Afterward, after being joined by teammates in a quick celebration, he skates by Jovonovski, apparently not even aware of what happened nor who the culprit was.

Do these guys need to learn to stick up for one another more? Yeah, I think so. But I don’t buy that event as Exhibit A in the Xboxification of Kyle Okposo. Things happen to fast out there for me to buy it based on that video.

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by Dominik on Jun 9, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correct on both accounts...

I think you got what I was trying to say in my Brother’s analogy…

But the Okposo thing… it’s not just about that moment in time. It’s the picture… I guess it sticks out because there is so much talk about him becoming captain. That was a pretty good goal as well… and I think it was the start of the 8+ minute PP because the yotes forgot to put a man in the box for Jovo.
The thing about it was that THEY ALL skated around one of the dirtiest plays of the year. Tavares, to his credit, sucked it up and skated away. NOBODY even pushed Jovo… NADA… nothing… no response from any ISlander… and Okposo starts his celebration, then mutes it, to skate to the bench confused.
In one of those guys’ HEART there has to be a lack of confusion… if somebody does that to my brother he’s gonna pay… and it’s gonna happen now… and it’s gonna happen hard… so it doesn’t happen again. It happened to Frans, it happened to Kyle, it happened to JT… Bailey gets rag dolled pretty often and we’ve already spoken about some of the runs other teams take on Hillen. I hate to use the ENFORCER, because that’s ridiculous, but somebody needs to respond… with MEAN.
It brings me back to an incident last year where Jackman inadvertantly knocked into the tampa goalie. Vinny saw it out of the corner of his eye, and went right after Jackman… he didn’t stop to ponder whether it was right or wrong, or whther he’d get an instigator (amazingly he didn’t)or whether Jackman was a journeyman forward brought in to “toughen up” the other team… he saw a blue jersey hit a white jersey with intent to injure… and HE STEPPED UP.
I use those two incidents because they speak about confidence and the lack there of. Sure, Kyle has a world of confidence with the puck….
There’s something odd about the recent (CW era) Islanders…. with the exception of maybe Eric Cairns, every guy who had that side to his game has been ex-isled.
The first one that comes to mind is Scatchard. Simon had his own demons, but the base turned on him 1 second after Holleweg. Goddard and Asham didn’t have that, they were and still are about themselves (not in a negative way, but I don’t ever see either of them as a solid teammate type… and I liked both)… Martin has it, but he needs to become NHL worthy.
Guerin is a perfect example. How many times did he battle on Weight’s behalf… and he did it for all his teammates… and jeez, how many uniforms has that guy worn. That’s a special player… and we put him on the discount rack. (insert BC comment here stating the value of fourth round draft picks as opposed to short term elder statesmen).

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by JPinVA on Jun 9, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can buy all that.

Honestly Weight, when healthy, has filled that Guerin role to a surprising degree. (He’s never been a fighter, but he’s sure been ready to fight.) On that note, I was annoyed by fans who said Guerin should fight more. I thought he fought enough, and he was still supposed to be our top winger at the time, so he’s not a guy I want dropping the gloves constantly.

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by Dominik on Jun 9, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amen...

Guerin did it when he needed to… I think he got it, gets it, and will continue to get it until they cart him out for Bill Guerin day somewhere…. that’s the strange thing about Guerin, he’s Bobby Nystrom without a home. A liitle more talent, a little less tough, but I think you know what I mean.
All of those “Ted Nolan Type Players” (god, I hate when the newbies use that expression)…. brought some level of character to the team. Some of them were brought in by Smith, most probably suggested by Nolan, but most were Snow guys.
…and for all intents and purposes I alwasy saw Snow as one of those guys… a little talent, a little grit, some smarts and held together by a rubber band…wihtout Witter, and with Weight playing a cameo role this year… there was none of that on the team

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by JPinVA on Jun 9, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

…and for all intents and purposes I alwasy saw Snow as one of those guys… a little talent, a little grit, some smarts and held together by a rubber band

That’s funny, I’ve never verbalized that but I have that impression of Snow, too. Heh, the fire he showed in his career — even the brazen inflated pads — gave me that impression. A scrapper. I think there’s more to see in his evolution from that player to a rounded GM.

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by Dominik on Jun 9, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trades...

He traded…
Grit for savvy, Talent for Patience, Rubber bands for Jankowski…
and tendered Smarts a qualifying offer through the standard CBA procedures…
We’ll see how all those deals work out come July and August.

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by JPinVA on Jun 9, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two trades I'd like to see

First, move up to #3 with, perhaps, our #65 pick (or #58). Pick Gudbranson. Then move one of our RFAs and / or prospects for a late first rounder. Pick Ivan Telegin and the best LW we can get. If Garth and Ryan are convinced that Kabanov will be OK, go for it.

by BCISLEMAN on Jun 9, 2010 5:44 PM EDT reply actions  

HEY!!

The first part of that sounds familiar… GET THE HELL OUT OF MY FANTASY!!!!

I’m pretty sure we’d have to give up a solid prospect or higher draft picks to go up 2 spots… especially when Gudbranson fills a need in FL. If Im in FL I might dangle it to Snow for Hamonic plus the high second….Whatever Snow offers would have to include Hamonic… and it’s just not happening… because the consolation prize is Hamonic, plus (Fowler, Connelly, Nino or Gormley)… and a second round dart.
I don’t think we see any trades from the Isles until later in the first round and it will include either Bergenhiem, Gervais, Tambellini and/or Katic. If snow really shopped bergy at the deadline he’ll shop him again at thedraft…. and with a second he might even sneak into the middle of the round. I doubt the others are more than immediate hole fillers that a team will take with an additional high second and maybe a third to get into the bottom of the first.
You have to figure that the #5 is going to get every opportunity to make the roster (just going by Snow’s history) and one of those guys will be VERY expendable, because they will also have JJ, Martin and HOPEFULLY some UFA talent in their plans.

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by JPinVA on Jun 9, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

No one will want Tambellini

and probably no one will offer anything for Gervais that will be of more value than having him for depth offers. We are only talking about two spots. I would think Florida would have to know that Hamonic and De Haan are untouchable. Spurgeon is certainly a very solid prospect as is Gregoire. One of them, the #58, and maybe the #82 should do it. Remember we only got second rounders each time we moved down in 2008. Then Chicago might be interested in a trade that sends Schremp and the rights to Biron their way and Huet, their #30 and either their #43 or their #60 our way. Gudbranson, Telegin, and MAYBE Kabanov would be a good start to the draft.

by BCISLEMAN on Jun 9, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

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