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Getting Drafty - Will the New Scandinavian Transfer Agreements Affect the Islander's Draft Strategy?

I thought I would take a look at if there will be any effect on the Islander's draft strategy now that both Finland and Sweden have transfer agreements in place with the NHL. In the past without the transfer agreements, many NHL teams have used late round draft picks to take Scandinavian prospects thinking that they would hold onto their rights indefinitely. With the transfer agreements in place this is no longer the case. While specifics aren't published by either side, enough details are now known that we can get a good idea on how this will affect current teams prospects and individual teams' draft strategies.

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What we do know is that NHL teams now hold the exclusive rights for two years after the draft provided they offer the player a Bona-Fide offer during the first off season. If the NHL team does sign a player they owe the Swedish/Finnish team somewhere in the neighborhood of $200,000-$250,000 transfer fee. The players are allowed to be loaned back to the original club for a year after signing their entry level.

What does all this mean? Well, for one a team has to be pretty sold on a Scandinavian player to draft him now. Not only do they think he will be North American ready in two years but also worth the investment of the transfer fee. No longer will teams be taking fliers on random prospects in the late rounds hoping they develop into the next Henrik Zetterberg. I suggest checking out Derek Zona's post over at Copper and Blue from last month for some details on the Finnish agreement if you want to delve deeper into the rules regarding already drafted prospects playing in Scandinavia.

After the jump, I will take a look at the Isles late round draft history under the Snow-Jankowski regime and the Scandinavian trends in general post lockout.

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The transfer agreement with Finland was signed in July 2009, the month following the entry draft and the Swedish agreement was signed back in March. Since the Finland agreement was signed post draft, you can't really use the amount of Finns drafts in 2009 as a predictor for the Swedes that will be drafted this year.

For the Islanders' draft history I will use the last three drafts, 2007-2009. I will forget the Niel Smith/Mike Milbury post-lockout drafts since I think the draft strategy has changed with the new regime (although it doesn't take a genius to figure that out).

Nationalities Drafted by Islanders 2007-2009

2007 2008 2009
Canadians 3 8 3
Americans 1 2 1
Swedes 0 1 1
Finns 0 1 1
Russians 1 1 1
Czechs/Slovaks 0 0 0
Others 0 0

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As you can see the Islanders didn't even draft that many prospects from Europe in the Snow/Jankowski era. Of the four Scandinavian prospects they drafted, one (Jyri Niemi) played in North America. They have not drafted a Scandinavian prospect in rounds 5-7. The lowest drafted Scandinavian player was David Ullstrom in the 4th round of 2008. Ironically the one player of the four not offered an entry-level contract or signed with the organization is Niemi, the one that played in the WHL. Also of note are the three Russians drafted. Max Gratchev played in the OHL and was released from the organization prior to last season. He spent this season bouncing between the ECHL and the AHL in the Senator's organization. Anton Klementyev was signed right after he was drafted and played in Bridgeport this past year. The other, some dude named Petrov, is currently playing in Russia although possibly not for long.

So will the new agreements affect the Isles draft strategy? It sure doesn't look like it. Even when drafting non-North American players, Snow and Jankowski prefer those who will be playing in North America the season after the draft. Of the twenty players drafted in the last three years, only Petrov, Ullstrom and Anders Nilsson did not play in North America the season following the draft. I guess this makes European scout Veli-Pekka Kautonen's job fairly easy.

As for the trends across the NHL, lets take a look at the post lockout drafts:

 

2005 2006 2007 2008 2009
Swedes 12 18 17 17 24
Finns 9 14 4 7 10
Danes 2 0 1 2 1
Norwegians 0 0 0 3 0

 

The reason I added the Danes and Norwegians is the young prospects from these two countries tend to play in the Swedish or Finnish developmental and pro leagues (See Frans Nielsen's tenure at Frolunda and Jonas Holos at Farjestad).

Sweden dominated the other three Scandinavian countries in both players drafted (88) and first rounders (15). 48 of the Swedes drafted were in the 4th round or later meaning over half of the Swedes drafted since the lockout were in the later rounds.The numbers for the Finns are a bit more surprising: 34 of the 44 Finnish players were drafted in the 4th round or later. In 2009, Mikko Koskinen was the only Finn drafted above the 4th round. The only Norwegian drafted before the 6th round was the very un-Norwegian named and Colorado College bound Scott Winkler in the 3rd round by Dallas. Two Danes were selected in the 1st round, Lars Eller and Mikkel Bodker with Bodker playing in the OHL. The other four were drafted in the fourth round or later.

So what does this mean for the 2010 draft? Well I don't think it will affect the higher rated prospects like a Mikael Grandlund as teams that would select a player that they would be willing to invest the money into the transfer fee. As for the more marginal prospects, like a Sondre Olden or a Lars Volden I think it will help them in the end. If a team takes them and in the end no longer thinks they are a prospect, the player will have the freedom if they want to go with another organization if they want to come to North America. As for draft strategies, I think teams will tend to take more North Americans now in the later stages, especially those headed for the NCAA in order to keep player rights longer. If a late round pick makes it to the NHL, they tend to be late bloomers or project picks that need time to develop, not helpful for NHL teams faced with a time limit on a player's exclusive rights.

So I don't think the two new transfer agreements will affect the Islanders draft strategy. Snow and Jankowski have shown that they tend to go with late blooming CHLers like Matt Martin and Justin DiBenedetto or NCAA bound players like Blake Kessell and Anders Lee with their later picks rather than take fliers on Europeans. Outside of Ullstrom and Nilsson, the Scandinavians they have picked played in North America the season following the draft whether it was in the CHL or AHL. Even with the other Europeans they've drafted, only Petrov has played for a prolonged time in his home country. It will affect other NHL teams (I'm looking at you Detroit) and while I think there will be a short term drop off in Scandinavians drafted. In the long term I think teams will tend to draft more mature Scandinavians (Like the Isles did with Koskinen this past year) as the development track of a 20 year old is a bit easier to track than that of an 18 year old.

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These agreements really do put a new spin on things. Even at the draft table when mulling over these players, I imagine the European scouts will really have to be sold on a player and his willingness to come over to make the case.

It makes sense to hedge with some college players simply because you now you have a little more time to make a final decision on them. Every time I think about this I’m reminded that running a draft would make my head hurt.

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by Dominik on Jun 8, 2010 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

The Islanders history from 96-06 shows plenty of reasons not to draft Europeans. Other then Martinek and Chara, the rest of them drafted tended to never make the trip over, or only had very brief appearances in the NHL.

This isn’t a Don Cherry anti-European rant, I just think it’s easier to keep an eye on youngsters in North America. Also it keeps players from getting homesick and having the KHL throw big money at them.

The Islanders went from Marty McInnis and a 2nd Overall pick to Jesse Joensuu.

by Mark D on Jun 8, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

This isn’t a Don Cherry anti-European rant, I just think it’s easier to keep an eye on youngsters in North America.

Yeah, I know what you mean — it’s simply logistics that teams are going to have a better idea about late-round options over here than over there.

Should be interesting, too, if the transfer agreements fuel more of those bidding wars for mid-20s Swedish free agents that all go to Toronto or Dallas.

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by Dominik on Jun 8, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

if the transfer agreements fuel more of those bidding wars for mid-20s Swedish free agents that all go to Toronto or Dallas.

And the Rags now too since they got Zuccarello Aasen. But yeah, I think you might see more of that since I believe a lot more of those late bloomer-project type guys are going to go undrafted now.

Go west young man.

by David Hanssen on Jun 8, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vikingstand!!!!

The Islanders went from Marty McInnis and a 2nd Overall pick to Jesse Joensuu.

by Mark D on Jun 8, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely a crapshoot

That’s what makes moving up for a guy you KNOW is great such a hazard. He’s great, but he’s 18, and has yet to skate a meaningful minute against a 32-year old journeyman who feels Old Man Time tugging on his sweater. That’s for anyone. Granted that the later rounds are anybody’s guess anyway, teams may be more anxious to take that guess on someone already over here.

Of course I'm an expert, I've seen Slap Shot eleven times!

by mikb on Jun 8, 2010 1:59 PM EDT reply actions  

He’s great, but he’s 18, and has yet to skate a meaningful minute against a 32-year old journeyman who feels Old Man Time tugging on his sweater.

This is actually a point that I think some of the Euro kids have an advantage over the guys who play in the Major Juniors and NCAA. Most of them have played against men, many of whom are ex-NHLers, in the Elitserien or SM-Liiga. This was one of the debates about Hedman last summer, would he have been better off coming over and dominating the CHL or play reasonably well in a league where the average age is about 26 years old. This is also a reason why I don’t understand why everyone has been down on Mikael Grandlund. He came into the year a close 4th behind Hall, Fowler and Seguin. All he did in the SM-Liiga put up a point per game as a 17-18 year old, over a point per game at the WJC and over 2 points per game at the U-18. Yet he dropped down to 10th in The Hockey News and 14th on the ISS.

Go west young man.

by David Hanssen on Jun 8, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

excellent point

It’s something of an apples and oranges comparison… or maybe tangerines and oranges. In either case the competition is less than the full-tilt NHL boogie, but the men have that experience and savvy, and the kids have that extra hop, and are also gunning for a shot that people may think they are not worth.

The transfer agreement gives the overseas players some more freedom and protection – they can go to the highest bidder if their drafting team doesn’t sign them, or if they go undrafted and bloom late, or they can stay home if they prefer. I don’t see this is a bad thing. I’m sure teams will adapt, if they aren’t already doing so.

Of course I'm an expert, I've seen Slap Shot eleven times!

by mikb on Jun 8, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

The really interesting thing would have been if the NHL and the Finns had the agreement in place before the last draft. Then maybe we would be able to project a bit on how the Swedish agreement would have affected this draft.

Go west young man.

by David Hanssen on Jun 8, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Playing against men

Then there is that angle of the ones who are playing in the men’s league but are kind of buried with limited minutes. This happens somewhat often, yes? Even a Petrov situation, where he couldn’t get minutes on the big club. That’s got to make it even more maddening to scout the Euros at that age and figure whether they’ll translate to the NHL.

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by Dominik on Jun 8, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know

The whole “They are playing with men” arguement has still been mostly a crapshoot when it comes to the NBA.

The Islanders went from Marty McInnis and a 2nd Overall pick to Jesse Joensuu.

by Mark D on Jun 8, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, the whole thing is a crapshoot. My complaint was more with the experts and such that in one breath will talk about how Hall or Seguin dominated in the CHL and then critique the likes of Hedman or Granlund because they didn’t put up gaudy numbers against arguably tougher competition.

Go west young man.

by David Hanssen on Jun 8, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another related link

In terms of draft history, Copper & Blue has a mammoth post about which teams tend to favor certain leagues/regions (there own favorite “fishing holes”).

The Isles (listed under LI) in the last five drafts are fairly balanced, though a little heavier than normal on U.S. High School, USHL, OHL and Sweden. They’ve taken zero NCAA guys according to that table, but of course we know several of their draft picks were NCAA-bound at the time of their selection.

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by Dominik on Jun 8, 2010 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Man, those guys at Copper and Blue are busy. Think about the NCAA. They’re going 1st time draft eligible at 19 and there are very few of those guys that go directly to the NCAA without a year or two in the USHL/BCHL.

Go west young man.

by David Hanssen on Jun 8, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hm

If I can find the time, I’d like to work up this chart with the players’ positions, instead of their points of origin – maybe there are teams who are specialists in goalies (heh) or left wings or something.

Of course I'm an expert, I've seen Slap Shot eleven times!

by mikb on Jun 8, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oooh, that’d be sweet.

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by Dominik on Jun 8, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

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